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"...under God" [message #132262]

Sat, 15 January 2005 12:46

Gizbotvas
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I do not believe in a god, so why on earth would I make a pledge to my country "United Under God".

Not only is it offensive for me to have to declare there is a god JUST to pledge my allegiance to my country, but it is also unconstitutional.

That's right. Not only might the "new" pledge (it existed longeer without the words 'under god' than it has WITH the words added) violate the establishment clause of the US Constitution, but US Citizens are specifically protected from having to make a religious pledge for any government procedure.

Teddy Roosevelt, when he was inauggerated, refused to swear in on a Bible, citing its UNconstitutionality and it's UnAmerican implications.

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The original Pledge was drafted by a Methodist minister yet did not include the words "under God." That phrase was only added later, by Congress, to distinguish America from "godless communism."
Congress's addition is not worth defending. What distinguishes the United States from Communist societies is that we tolerate the godless and god-loving alike, not that we favor the god-loving.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/26/hamilton.pledge/

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"...under God" [message #132264]

Sat, 15 January 2005 13:08

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You're not forced to say 'under god', you're not even forced to say the pledge or to even stand up and acknowledge it, you choose to say it.

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"...under God" [message #132295]

Sat, 15 January 2005 15:21

icedog90
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He's right... People just take this WAY too seriously.

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"...under God" [message #132328]

Sat, 15 January 2005 18:01

bigejoe14
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If you're so offended by saying something, that you don't even have to say in the first place, then why don't you just shut up and not say anything at all?

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"...under God" [message #132345]

Sat, 15 January 2005 20:08

cowmisfit
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GOD BLESS YOU ALL, (Not your god, my god, you know HIM)

I hope you all were very VERY offended by this, oh and go on tv about it too and try to overthrow the values this nation was founded on while you're at it.

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"...under God" [message #132361]

Sat, 15 January 2005 21:58

Hydra
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The pledge does not violate the establishment clause of the Constitution. It is not unconstitutional.
People just make that stuff up because they're too insecure in their own atheistic beliefs to be "offended" by two little words in the Pledge of Allegiance. If they were more firm in their beliefs, they wouldn't care that the pledge says "under God" or that the national motto on our currency is "In God we trust."

They were biblical principles upon which this great nation was founded, so what's so wrong about recognizing them? Why do you people continue pissing on the principles that give you the right to piss on them in the first place?

Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
God be with you, Uncle Wally.

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"...under God" [message #132382]

Sun, 16 January 2005 00:59

warranto
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Foolish Hydra. Do you not know that to acknowledge and recognizing something is the same as following the principle that it stands for?

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"...under God" [message #132447]

Sun, 16 January 2005 11:12

Nodbugger
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warranto

Foolish Hydra. Do you not know that to acknowledge and recognizing something is the same as following the principle that it stands for?

If you think God doesn't exist you shouldn't have a problem with it.

It would be similar to someone playing an Alien in a movie, but they think Aliens don't exist.