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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130469] Mon, 03 January 2005 11:44 Go to next message
Aircraftkiller is currently offline  Aircraftkiller
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More proof that the major populace centers of California need to be deported to someplace like Iran where they'll feel safe among their own kind.

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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130478] Mon, 03 January 2005 12:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stupid idea, then the average joe is defenseless against criminal marv who will get guns from out of state or country. very dumb indeed.

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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130484] Mon, 03 January 2005 12:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doesn't make sense for safety.
San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130500] Mon, 03 January 2005 12:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That seems like the most stupid idea ever. Like the article said "the criminals flock to a city that ensures they won't be shot at by the people they're robbing" Plus banning guns doesn't seem to have helped in Washington.

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That's irrelevant to this thread.

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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130533] Mon, 03 January 2005 15:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There are points for both sides of the argument.. I suppose it's up to voters.

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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130538] Mon, 03 January 2005 16:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Let me guess....Break up the 11th circuit?

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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130539] Mon, 03 January 2005 16:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just to clarify, you would still get to carry rifles. It is a handgun ban, not a total firearms ban.

So while I don't agree with it, I'm sure for the sake of security, because that seems to be what MOST people are annoyed about, having an AK47 might be more palatable than a handgun anyway. Albeit more expensive.



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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130554] Mon, 03 January 2005 17:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"When you get guns out of people's homes and off the streets, it means that that gun is not going to be used in a shooting that kills someone".

That's a complete lie. Sure, it will stop pedestrians from having guns, but how is that going to stop criminals? Criminals don't abide by the law. They'll get a gun anyway they can.
San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130564] Mon, 03 January 2005 17:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yep, seems to me this is 100% on all sides. We can get along! WE ALL THINK ITS STUPID!!!!! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130579] Mon, 03 January 2005 18:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lol Java,

Quote:

Just to clarify, you would still get to carry rifles. It is a handgun ban, not a total firearms ban.



I'm all for it then if it gives me the right to keep an ak47 on a shoulder strap on my person at all times... lol

Seriously though you aren't allowed to walk around with a rifle anyhow. If you ban handguns you ban the most effective home defense weapon. Only people who's last names end with atfield and coy sleep with a loaded double barrel shotgun.


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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130598] Mon, 03 January 2005 20:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doitle

If you ban handguns you ban the most effective home defense weapon.


That's a matter of opinion, my friend. Smile



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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130600] Mon, 03 January 2005 20:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i guess thats true Java, in other words...weapon of choice?

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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130797] Tue, 04 January 2005 16:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sigh....

In the UK, we aren't allowed to attack burglars in any way, otherwise we would get a longer sentence than he would. I am not exaggerating.


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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130798] Tue, 04 January 2005 16:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It is the same scam here. Of course, unless they do something to do physically first.


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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130811] Tue, 04 January 2005 16:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Toolstyle

Plus banning guns doesn't seem to have helped in Washington.


An actual newspaper headline

Mayor Says DC is Safe Except For Murders.


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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130813] Tue, 04 January 2005 17:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In the UK, we aren't allowed to attack burglars in any way, otherwise we would get a longer sentence than he would. I am not exaggerating.


I see a flaw with the UK's law system. Its up there somewhere Razz

Seriously tho, thats ridiculous.


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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130930] Wed, 05 January 2005 10:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well this all came into public view when a farmer shot dead burglar as he ran away. While yes it is unreasonable that the victim should get imprisoned for hitting somebody for robbing his/her house, shooting them as they run away is overboard. Reforms are being introduced that will allow us to use "reasonable force" to stop burglars which is all down to interpretation, I see that as anything short of killing or mortally wounding as reasonable and hopfully so would the police and courts.

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Ok fair enough I didn't pay that much attention before I posted that bit =P


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That's irrelevant to this thread.

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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130946] Wed, 05 January 2005 13:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I would love to see them going into my house and try to take my gun, they are not going to take my right to bare arms if i lived there, and anyway how are they going to get ALL the handguns from the people in that area?? THEY WON"T, so why take from some and not others and leave some defensless??

Stupid idea.


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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #130962] Wed, 05 January 2005 14:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well you need licences don't you? They'll just mooch around and take all the ones off licence holders and the criminals who's stolen a gun will be able to keep theirs...makes sense yeah?

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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #131142] Thu, 06 January 2005 19:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"I don't feel like I need to own a gun to protect myself. Certainly, I am a high-profile elected official and now a lot of gun owners don't like me individually, but if I'm in a situation where I feel threatened, I'll call the police," Daly said.


And when they show up and find his dead body I can laugh my ass off.

The Criminal mind in my head says... "Wow a city I can go rob any house and not worry about getting shot."


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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #131143] Thu, 06 January 2005 19:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That crook wouldn't have looked at the fine print. It is a HANDGUN ban. There is nothing there about banning unnecessarily high powered assault rifles.

So it merely means that those Criminals won't need to worry about being shot... by anything short of something with a 10+ round magazine.



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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #131213] Fri, 07 January 2005 13:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Except you can't have unneccesarily high powered rifles... There are restrictions on those already. He would have to worry about being shot by a rifle from the ottoman oppression. "You better just... You just wait soon as I get this... Shot, ok hang on... (Homeowner pours powder in barrel) I'll I'll blast you motherfucker just... uh... Where are those balls... You are gonna be so sorry when I get this all done. (Minutes Pass) Alright prepare to die sucker... Uh?

Meanwhile the robber was in and out and on his merry way already.


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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #131214] Fri, 07 January 2005 13:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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hehe, tell that to the Michigan Militia. There knee-deep in 50mm Rifles that tear cars in two.

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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #131323] Sat, 08 January 2005 06:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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^^ hehehe... Michigan Militia pwns you..

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San Franscisco considers firearm ban [message #132358] Sat, 15 January 2005 21:52 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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I'm more worried about the automatic (semi?) ban that expired. I'd rather be confronted with a hand gun than an Uzi.

But I'd support this thing SF is doing. A ban on handguns in a major city makes perfect sense.

I think they should ban guns altogether.

The constitution allowed guns when it was first written, but that was a good 200 years ago. AFAIK, there are no invaders, no British Soldiers, indians or any wild cattle atacking me. I don't think there is a need for that sort of "defense" anymore. Guns get into the hands of criminals too often.

Guns should only be in the hands of Policemen, and Military personnelle.


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