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Funny. All their gab about protecting their country when what they really want to do is declare war on themselves Shocked
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No, only those who support evil. Those who support terrorists only put the rest of the nation and it's people in danger. Example: Training of Afghanis to fight Russia. Kind of backfired, didn't it? Ended up hurting us in the long run.

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No, only those who support evil. Those who support terrorists only put the rest of the nation and it's people in danger.


Like Warranto's been saying.

America.
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Most of America doesn't support terrorism. kthx.

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I don't exactly see how they were terrorists. They were resistance fighters. They were organized, and were fighting Germans for their country. They took risks in order to help free their country.

I never ever thought I'd hear an American say something about WWII which was actually accurate.


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I know my 20th century history. Especially the World War II era. Smile

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I don't exactly see how they were terrorists. They were resistance fighters.


You're just putting a positive spin on the same thing.

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Yay, and you ignored the rest of my post that proves that statement true. Congratulations for missing the point!

Spoony even agrees as to what I said. Why? Because it's truth. Something you democrats will never understand.


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Let us take Cowmisfits and j_balls suggestion and punish America!


no countries have the gonads to try and hurt america after 9/11. We proved that we wont be dicked around with. And supporting French Resistance against our enemy the Axis was not supporting terrorism as the Nazis outstepped their bounds. Your an idiot if you think otherwise. nuff said.

fighting oppression and oppressing is two different things, get your head out of your ass


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Let us take Cowmisfits and j_balls suggestion and punish America!


no countries have the gonads to try and hurt america after 9/11. We proved that we wont be dicked around with. And supporting French Resistance against our enemy the Axis was not supporting terrorism as the Nazis outstepped their bounds. Your an idiot if you think otherwise. nuff said.

fighting oppression and oppressing is two different things, get your head out of your ass

It is blindingly obvious you don't understand what you're saying, nor what anyone else is saying. Oh, and nice post edit by the way.


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Yay, and you ignored the rest of my post that proves that statement true. Congratulations for missing the point!

Spoony even agrees as to what I said. Why? Because it's truth. Something you democrats will never understand.


You didn't PROVE anything. Giving a few reasons why YOU think they are different doesn't prove it.

"I don't exactly see how they were terrorists. They were resistance fighters. They were organized, and were fighting Germans for their country. They took risks in order to help free their country. That's just a LITTLE different from the radicals we're fighting now. Don't you think?"

The terrorists in Iraq are resistance fighters. They are an organized entity, or at least as organized as they are capable of being. They are fighting American's for their country (their perspective). They are taking risks in order to free their country (again, their persepective). Calling a group resistance fighters or freedom fighters vs. terrorists is just a way of making them look better or worse.

I did read your entire post, and I understood your point. I still disagree with it. Don't jump to conclusions.

Democrats will never understand the truth? Fuck you. Uncalled for and false.

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no countries have the gonads to try and hurt america after 9/11. We proved that we wont be dicked around with. And supporting French Resistance against our enemy the Axis was not supporting terrorism as the Nazis outstepped their bounds. Your an idiot if you think otherwise. nuff said.


The idea that Germany was overstepping it's bounds (while a very popular one) depended on what perspective you were looking at the situation with. Many other people and nations see the United States as overstepping its bounds.

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Only if you mean that they're being paid by the same entity as organized, then yes, they're organized.

Fighting for their country? Wrong. They're fighting for the people who are paying them do DIE for their country. Not fight. They don't expect to come out alive. They go in to kill Americans and make money for their families.

Taking risks? They're killing themselves. There is no "risk" involved. They kill themselves, take as many people with them as they can, and get money for their family. Seems pretty straight forward.

You're comparing occupied France rising up against the NAZI army with the Iraqi rebels who are killing themselves to kill Americans in "jihad". Yeah...they're EXACTLY the same...


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so.. the French were resistance fighters? Lets ask what they were considered by the side they were fighting against... ah yes! Terrorists!

So.. America was helping French Terrorists. Afterall, the only side that matters is how they are viewed by the side that they are fighting, correct?

Edit: interestingly enough, I don't see people trying to refute the fact that America assisted Bin Laden...

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fighting oppression and oppressing is two different things, get your head out of your ass


Kind of like how the Iraqi resistance are fighting the oppression of America (the west)? At least thats why they think they are doing...
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Let me put this more clearly:

Nazi Germany were oppressing the French.
The French RESISTANCE didn't walk out into streets and explode themselves in order to kill Nazis (on a regular basis, at least. I havn't heard of any of these actions, so I can't say they NEVER did.)
The French Resistance usually helped Allied soldiers to safety, so they wouldn't be captured.
The French were doing this for their country. Not for some guy who offers to give their family money if they kill themselves.

Edit: I'm not defending America's training of Afghanis to fight Russia. I condemn it as I said in an earlier post.


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You're comparing occupied France rising up against the NAZI army with the Iraqi rebels who are killing themselves to kill Americans in "jihad". Yeah...they're EXACTLY the same...


You're right, they aren't the same. But they don't need to be exactly the same to both warrant calling people freedom fighters.

Fighting others knowing that you are going to die is not still fighting?

Look, I'm not saying France was in the wrong when rising up against Nazi Germany. They were very very justified in doing so. All I'm saying is that you can call a group of people terrorists/freedom fighters depending on what kind of spin you want to put on it. People fighting American troops in Iraq CAN be called resistance fighters/freedom fighters, but no one does it because to us, they are the enemy.
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When you're going against someone with the purpose to die...that's night fighting.

I know you can put a spin on it all you want, but it's obvious that there is a clear distinction between the two.


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As far as thjey are concerned, the West is oppresssing them. (as far as they are concerned, America is an occupation force, forcing the Iraqi people to behave in the Western way, which is about equal to siding with the Devil)
The Iraqi resistance kills people who oppose them, the Frech resistance kills people who oppose them. How it is done is meaningless.
The Iraqi RESISTANCE usually helps their allies.
The Iraqi's are doing it for their country as well. I'm sure the payments are incentives to assist, and I can assure you people in the French resistance accepted btribes to help as well.

Regardless of how you put it, there are direct similarities between the groups. The only difference is that the French were on your side, and the Iraqis are not.
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When you're going against someone with the purpose to die...that's night fighting.


Except, of course the people who are on your side conduct needful "suicide missions".
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I still don't see it as fighting.

There are not many similarities at all. It's clear that they're different.


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Really now?

Shoot Americans! They support Terrorism!


The ones that are saying they support them, and down with bush cause we all know he's hitler, should be sent to iraq or france or something to live just because there simply idiots, the ones that actually act and go to iraq and help train / fund / give intelligence to the enemy, sure shoot them.


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Well composed. Smile

So my point is... if (hypothetically), the war is "for oil"... then at least many of you understand why oil is so important rather than simplifying it to "omg people have to die because of this black gooey stuff!"


Oh, and guess what? You can already replace that black gooey stuff with hydrogen, but because of the little capitalist system we're all working in, nobody can afford to buy a hydrogen car just yet except the so called 'high class'.

At least I can comfort myself by saying that they'll be worth just as much as a regular car in two years from now...


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warranto

Really now?

Shoot Americans! They support Terrorism!


The ones that are saying they support them, and down with bush cause we all know he's hitler, should be sent to iraq or france or something to live just because there simply idiots, the ones that actually act and go to iraq and help train / fund / give intelligence to the enemy, sure shoot them.


I didn't say Iraq.. I said terrorists. Iraq is NOT the only "terrorist" in the world.

Regardles, be sure to pass your desires to kill the Americans involved in training/finding/providing intelligent to Al Queda. I believe a few presedential figures were involved, perhaps some military generals and CIA members were involved in that... I can't believe you'd be willing to kill Americans involved in something they thought was right.
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Really now?

Shoot Americans! They support Terrorism!


The ones that are saying they support them, and down with bush cause we all know he's hitler, should be sent to iraq or france or something to live.

This is the single most pathetic argument anybody has ever come up with, and the frankly baffling thing is I see it said in UK tabloids every day.


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Really now?

Shoot Americans! They support Terrorism!


The ones that are saying they support them, and down with bush cause we all know he's hitler, should be sent to iraq or france or something to live just because there simply idiots, the ones that actually act and go to iraq and help train / fund / give intelligence to the enemy, sure shoot them.


I didn't say Iraq.. I said terrorists. Iraq is NOT the only "terrorist" in the world.

Regardles, be sure to pass your desires to kill the Americans involved in training/finding/providing intelligent to Al Queda. I believe a few presedential figures were involved, perhaps some military generals and CIA members were involved in that... I can't believe you'd be willing to kill Americans involved in something they thought was right.


You always try to take anything specific i say , and generalize it to crap that doesn't even have to do with the subject in order to make me seem like an idiot. Its sad.

Im speaking of americans that

PROTECT terrorist (and since you'll probebly come up with some comment that comes out your ass like OMG LIK SOILDERS HELP PROTECT OSSAMA'S BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND SOME TERRORIST OMFG LIK U R DUMB crap, i mean those who aid them in hiding from our men and woman in arms who are trying to find them and bring them to justice or stop an attack),

that GIVE THEM HELP IN HARMING OUR CITIIZENS (once again you'll come back with some dumbass comment like "OMFG LIKE GUESS WHAT THE TERRORIST IN IRAQ ARE FIGHTING WITH NOW OMFG LIK WEAPONS FROM U 1!@!1!@!!!@11" , I mean americans who go and train to get terrorist in to america, and help the get clearence and such to succeed in an attack *and they KNOW they are going to preforme the attack, not someone who was fooled and didn't have any thought of it *

GIVE THEM MONEY TO HELP ATTACK OUR (and since you all think im soooo anti everyone else *your retards for even trying to say that*) PEOPLE AND YOUR PEOPLE. (And since you'll insert one of your thoughtless comebacks such as "WELL GUESS WHAT AMERICANS GAVE HIM MONEY BEFORE THE 9/11 AND HE"S USING IT AGAINST U !@!!!@!!!!" i mean people who are funnling funds they knowingly will buy terrorist weapons, passports and fake documents and such to help pull out an attack.


And about your adding "finding" , its funding, not finding, why the hell would i be agaisnt the people that are trying to find the terrorist and kill them :rolleyes:

Okay *INSERT YOUR PATHETIC OMG LIK U CAN"T SPELL OMFG comebacks HERE*


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