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Aircraftkiller
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Yes, you know my religious beliefs. But that doesn't mean I can't post insightful stories that also pertain to what I believe.
Quote: | There was a certain Professor of Religion named Dr. Christianson, a studious man who taught at a small college in the Western United States. Dr. Christianson taught the required survey course in Christianity at the particular institution. Every student was required to take this course his or her freshman year regardless of his or her major.
Although Dr. Christianson tried hard to communicate the essence of the gospel in his class, he found that most of his students looked upon the course as nothing but required drudgery. Despite his best efforts, most students refused to take Christianity seriously. This year, Dr. Christianson had a special student named Steve.
Steve was only a freshman, but was studying with the intent of going onto seminary for the ministry. Steve was popular, he was well liked, and he was an imposing physical specimen. He was now the starting center on the school football team, and was the best student in the professor’s class.
One day, Dr. Christian son asked Steve to stay after class so he could talk with him. “How many push-ups can you do?�
Steve said, “I do about 200 every night.�
“200? That’s pretty good, Steve,� Dr. Christianson said. “Do you think you could do 300?�
Steve replied, “I don’t know… I’ve never done 300 at a time.�
“Do you think you could try?� again asked Dr. Christianson.
“Well, I can try,� said Steve.
“Can you do 300 in sets of 10? I have a class project in mind and I need you to do about 300 push-ups in sets of ten for this to work. I need you to do this on Friday. Let me explain what I have in mind.�
Friday came and Steve got to class early and sat in the front of the room. When class started, the professor pulled out a big box of donuts. No, these weren’t the normal kinds of donuts, they were the fancy BIG kind, with cream centers and frosting swirls. Everyone was pretty excited it was Friday, the last class of the day, and they were going to get an early start on the weekend with a party in Dr. Christianson’s class.
Dr. Christianson went to the first girl in the first row and asked, “Cynthia, do you want to have one of these donuts?�
Cynthia said yes. Dr. Christianson then turned to Steve and asked, “Steve, would you do ten push-ups so that Cynthia can have a donut?�
“Sure.� Steve jumped down from his desk to do a quick ten. Then Steve again sat in his desk.
Dr. Christianson put a donut on Cynthia’s desk. Dr. Christianson then went to Joe, the next person, and asked, “Joe, do you want a donut?� Joe said yes. Dr. Christianson asked, “Steve would you do ten push-ups so Joe can have a donut?� Steve did ten push-ups. Joe got a donut. And so it went, down the first aisle, Steve did ten push-ups for every person before they go their donut.
Walking down the second aisle, Dr. Christianson came to Scott. Scott was on the basketball team and in as good condition as Steve. He was very popular and never lacking for female companionship. When the professor asked, “Scott do you want a donut?�
Scott’s reply was “Well, can I do my own push-ups?�
Dr. Christianson said, “No, Steve has to do them.�
Then Scott said, “Well, I don’t want one then."
Dr. Christianson shrugged and then turned to Steve and asked, “Steve, would you do ten push-ups so Scott can have a donut he doesn’t want?� With perfect obedience, Steve started to do ten pushups.
Scott said, “HEY! I said I didn’t want one!�
Dr. Christianson said, “Look, this is my classroom, my class, my
desks, and these are my donuts. Just leave it on the desk if you don’t want it.� And he put a donut on Scott’s desk.
Now by this time, Steve had begun to slow down a little. He just stayed on the floor between sets because it took too much effort to be getting up and down. You could start to see a little perspiration coming out around his brow.
Dr. Christianson started down the third row. Now the students were beginning to get a little angry. Dr. Christianson asked Jenny, “Jenny, do you want a donut?� Sternly, Jenny said no. Then Dr. Christianson asked Steve, “Steve, would you do ten more push-ups so Jenny can have a donut that she doesn’t want?� Steve did ten...Jenny got a donut.
By now, a growing sense of uneasiness filled the room. The students were beginning to say “NO� and there were all these uneaten donuts on the desks. Steve also had to really put forth a lot of extra effort to get these push-ups done for each donut. There began to be a small pool of sweat on the floor beneath his face, his arms and brow were beginning to get red because of the physical effort involved.
Dr. Christianson asked Robert, who was the most vocal unbeliever in the class, to watch Steve do each push-up because he couldn’t bear to watch all of Steve’s work for all of those uneaten donuts. He sent Robert over to where Steve was so Robert could count the set and watch Steve closely.
Dr. Christianson started down the fourth row. During his class, however, some students from other classes had wandered in and sat down on the steps along the radiators that ran down the sides of the room. When the professor realized this, he did a quick count and saw that now there were 34 students in the room. He started to worry if Steve would be able to make it.
Dr. Christianson went on to the next person and the next and the next. Near the end of that row, Steve was really having a rough time. He was taking a lot more time to complete each set.
A few moments later, Jason, a recent transfer student, came to the room and was about to come in when all the students yelled in one voice, “NO! Don’t come in! Stay out!� Jason didn’t know what was going on. Steve picked up his head and said, “No, let him come."
Professor Christianson said, “You realize that if Jason comes in you will have to do ten push-ups for him?�
Steve said, “Yes, let him come in. Give him a donut.�
Dr. Christianson said, “Okay, Steve, I’ll let you get Jason’s out of the way right now, Jason, do you want a donut?�
Jason, new to the room hardly knew what was going on. “Yes,� he said, “Give me a donut.�
“Steve, will you do ten push-ups so that Jason can have a donut?� Steve did ten push-ups very slowly and with great effort. Jason, bewildered, was handed a donut and sat down.
Dr. Christianson finished the fourth row, and then started on those visitors seated by the heaters. Steve’s arms were now shaking with each push-up in a struggle to lift himself against the force of gravity. By this time, sweat was profusely dropping off of his face, there was no sound except his heavy breathing; there was not a dry eye in the room.
The very last two students in the room were two young women, both cheerleaders, and very popular. Dr. Christianson went to Linda, the second to the last, and asked, “Linda, do you want a donut?�
Linda said, very sadly, “No, thank you.�
Professor Christianson quietly asked, “Steve, would you do ten push-ups so that Linda can have a donut that she doesn’t want?�
Grunting from effort, Steve did ten very slow push-ups for Linda. Then Dr. Christianson turned to the last girl, Susan. “Susan, do you want a donut?�
Susan, with tears flowing down her face, cried “Dr. Christianson, why can’t I help him?�
Dr. Christianson with tears of his own, said, “No, Steve has to do it alone. I have given him this task and he is in charge of seeing that everyone has an opportunity for a donut whether they want it or not. When I decided to have a party this last day of class, I looked in my grade book. Steve, here is the only student with a perfect grade. Everyone else has failed a test, skipped class, or offered me inferior work. Steve told me that in football practice, when a player messes up, he must do push-ups. I told Steve that none of you could come to my party unless he paid the price by doing your push-ups. He and I made a deal for your sakes. Steve, would you do ten push-ups so Susan can have a donut?�
As Steve very slowly finished his last pushup, with the understanding that he had accomplished all that was required of him, having done 350 push-ups, his arms buckled beneath him and he fell to the floor.
Dr. Christianson turned to the room and said, “And so it was, that our Savior, Jesus Christ, on the cross, pleaded to the Father, ‘Into Thy hands I commend my Spirit.’ With the understanding that He had done everything that was required of Him, He yield up His life. And like some of those in this room, many of us leave the gift on the desk, uneaten."
Two students helped Steve up off the floor and to a seat, physically exhausted, but wearing a thin smile.
“Well done, good and faithful servant,� said the professor adding, “Not all sermons are preached in words.� Turning to his class the professor said, “My wish is that you might understand and fully comprehend all the riches of grace and mercy that have been given to you by God through the sacrifice of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
"He spared not only His only begotten Son, but gave Him up for us all now and forever. Whether or not we choose to accept His gift to us, the price has been paid. Wouldn’t you be foolish and ungrateful to leave it lying on the desk?�
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If you think it's too long to read, don't be a fucking retard and reply here saying so. Simply go do something more fitting to your lack of intellect.
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Push Ups [message #123722] |
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Read it. And to think, until the fourth or so paragraph from the end, I thought it would be about how evil liberals tax good people and give it to other people.
Surprised me.
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Push Ups [message #123860] |
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disposableh
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LMAO
All that work for something so useless! I choose to believe in life and only life. I am here to be annoyed by everyone else around me and hope to soon die instead of putting up with this kind of garbage.
Have a lovely day.
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Push Ups [message #123877] |
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What about the eventual day that even you will die?
Also, being a Christian is more about living than you can possible imagine.
To die as a Christian is to immeadeatly enter into the physical presence of God and is thus a reward. Living is the challenge.
There was a time when people were impressed that I have the firepower to decimate a planet in under 10 minutes.
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Push Ups [message #123897] |
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disposableh
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No, being a Christian is all about focusing on how he died and all the horrible things that people have done. If you switch the stories in the bible with children stories, I don’t think the kids could tell the difference.
I find you at fault for saying the challenge is living. No, the real challenge is not shooting someone in the face because people (in genral) are complete idiots and make life worse. I ask you why fight to live in order to die? I mean we are all dying with every minute that passes and in the end you just end up becoming a old man/women that wears adult diapers and needs someone to feed you. I just find it pointless to fight to live, if some one sticks a gun in your face, you just need to say #$#@ it and see if you can live.
I also find it funny you mention that living is a challenge, it seems to me all Christians just prey to their 'GOD' for their life to work out. Why don't you solve the problem yourself? I also wonder why you thank your GOD when something good happens and curse your luck when something bad happens..........why not blame your GOD? Is he not responsible for your outcome in life?
**Note: I say this with basis upon the average Christian.
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Push Ups [message #123899] |
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You don't know shit about my religion, so stop pretending like you do. Before you start talking like you know shit, learn the info. I'm not even going to address your moronic statements, especially as I don't feel like debating religion on a game forum.
whoa.
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Push Ups [message #123938] |
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Ok, I would first like to say I was in catholic school from kindergarten to the 4th grade so your statement is utterly false. I do regret my parents putting me through that since I learned nothing but fairy tales and false idols.
I would also like to say that this is a political/hot issues section and this is not mainly dedicated to video games so we are free to argue away about how you are indeed moronic for believing in false hopes. I have also stated that my statement is based on the general Catholics so you can stuff it.
I also find it funny that you tell me what I am and what I know when you don’t know @#%^ about me. I await your dumba$$ statement so I can make a mockery of you.
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Push Ups [message #123965] |
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flyingfox
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i would say disposableh brings up a good point but there you go. about the story, it's good but it's only an analogy on how you should be grateful of the things you are given and things available to you. i recognised this at about halfway or so in. not a story of the credibility of jesus or the bible (and probably just as well so).
i would rather thank shopkeepers and marketers who go out day after day to sell the food; things are seldom "gifts" anymore since you need the money to receive the gifts. no man will do three hundred and fifty push ups to give other people food, unless he was sponsored or paid or what have you. waaaaaaay to much greed and selfishness in all of us, and no amount of stories and teaching will get a man to change his ways. i think it all amounts to their never being a selfless good deed among any of us..... perhaps the buddha would understand.
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Javaxcx | God will not meddle in people's personal affairs. It would make Him a hypocrit. To a certain extent, and one I believe is well worthy of consideration, Disposableh makes a good point.
Why does one prey to God in times of physical need (when God in fact will do nothing to affect the free will of anyone) and then not curse God when something bad happens. It seems to be a double standard on our part.
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Define Against Your Free Will...
Does it not imply that someting is imposed upon you, without your desire?
So, if you "ASK" God for help, insight, direction, etc... you can thank him when you feel you have made the correct choice, or feel that he has given you the proper guidance you were seeking..
Unless you asked for your life to fall apart, he didn't have anything to do with it.. that's just called "Life".
But again, when you plead with him for the guidance to help you out of a shithole.. don't forget to say thanks again.
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Push Ups [message #124052] |
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disposableh
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disposableh | you are indeed moronic for believing in false hopes.
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You are an asshole and a hypocrite. Come up with an intelligent argument without disparaging remarks towards long-time members or get the hell out.
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So you are telling me that with my belief that we all die in the end so we need to take chances in life and not pray to someone that probably isn't there, that I am a hypocrite? So you are telling me I am immortal and don't take chances? Once again you do not know me and I will take chances in my life when they come up so I fail to see where I am a hypocrite.
As far as the asshole, I consider myself to be a dick.
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disposableh
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j_ball430 | Thank you, Hydra. This brings me to my next point. Me > disposabitch
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Did you not learn from your Bible studies to be kind to those even if they are bitter towards you? You know the whole treat others as you want to be treated. I would also like to point out that you should be impressed by me leaving at 4th grade because I was smart enough to leave. If you are unimpressed that is fine because your opinion really doesn't matter to me, I only care about my good friend the :twisted: .
What I am really trying to point out is that this story is complete bull and yet you simple minded peons believe in this "true" story. When I was reading this story I was reminded about Jack and the Beanstalk and was thinking within this world, you know the real one, that this would never be possible. However you HAVE to hold onto this story for false hope and that makes you weak.
My "so called" beliefs (I like to look them as a good idea) is to live life as you go. Now the problem with your "beliefs" is people will die and kill for them where an idea is easy to change without any agony.
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flyingfox
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everybody is living life as they go, so yeah they will kill over it..as for the reply above. can I ask you a question? i think you said a few replies back you were a christian......what if, and this is just if....the bible was not taught to people anymore? what if I grew up without even knowing it existed, to have parents staunch enemies of the entire belief in religion. would I be punished in heaven for not believing in god, when i did not know about him in the first place? all it would take would be a lifetime of about eighty years without anybody speaking of it or having versions of it on their website...what happens then? when everybody has forgotten about it and it cannot be taught anymore? we RELY on it being taught, then we are given the choice of choosing to believe in it or not.
God would know that humans are very selfish and would quicker believe what he can see rather than what he would at first consider a phantom, somebody in a story. so then why are we given the choice if it is an absolute truth he exists? don't get me wrong, i've said it before I like some parts of the bible, like the stories it tells of. but it's got more holes in it than a pair of my old socks.
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