| Fix the damn gun [message #123739] |
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liberator
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I realize this is the second rant about this in as many months.
But fix the damn ramjet. I just left a game where 10 ramjets had set up a crossfire on the nod base. We had lost the Hand and were down to basic infantry. I couldn't walk 6 feet out the door to defend without being cut down. I died 15 times in as many seconds.
I know how to fix it too.
Place a limit to the number of snipers and ramjets per team that can be purchased, similar to the way a team is limited to 8 vehicles.
5 of each should be more than enough to meet a teams sniper needs.
I also request that you fix the vehicle damage. No sniper should be able to kill a vehicle under any circumstances, there should be a penalty for being so specialized.
There was a time when people were impressed that I have the firepower to decimate a planet in under 10 minutes.
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| Fix the damn gun [message #123741] |
Fri, 03 December 2004 00:40  |
icedog90
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I'd rather just have the Ramjet completely removed or atleast have it one shot per clip.
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| Fix the damn gun [message #123744] |
Fri, 03 December 2004 00:41 |
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but what about all the sniping servers? or are u talking about the 6 new maps specifically. removing the ramjet will lower the number of renegade players believe me.
PuLsE
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| Fix the damn gun [message #123746] |
Fri, 03 December 2004 00:57 |
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liberator
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If they play exclusively to get their jollies killing basic infantry and watching the complaints scroll by, we're well rid of them.
There was a time when people were impressed that I have the firepower to decimate a planet in under 10 minutes.
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| Fix the damn gun [message #123753] |
Fri, 03 December 2004 01:46 |
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liberator
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I don't know...I find it more fun to engage in large battles with basic riflemen.
There was a time when people were impressed that I have the firepower to decimate a planet in under 10 minutes.
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| Fix the damn gun [message #123763] |
Fri, 03 December 2004 02:45 |
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Basicly all out war means "no rules" so this is all allowed. In a real battle your not going to set rules like "no snipers" your going to do whatever it takes to kill these guys.
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Yes, but this is a game. I wan't to play to have fun, but i can't get that if i die a second after i leave a structure or enter a light armoured vehicle. :rolleyes:
Beter known as "raapnaap".
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| Fix the damn gun [message #123784] |
Fri, 03 December 2004 05:35 |
imperfect3D
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CareBear Mod wanted.
Carebear's will be equipped with water pistols that do 1 damage point to anything except fire because fire is scary. Special attack will be a beam of "purdy" colors that spawn little cute bunnies dancing and singing all around the target. All the tears will turn to smiles and everyone will be happy.
Seriously... quit crying.
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| Fix the damn gun [message #123801] |
Fri, 03 December 2004 06:57 |
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cheesesoda
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Madtone, while that may be a good strategy in theory, you have to think about the reality of it. What if it's a 10 v 10 game and there are two snipers. One skilled sniper with the $500 sniper, and a n00bjetter. You're suggesting that we send 6-8 players to shower the snipers with gunfire, but then that leaves 2-4 players against 8, but wait, you have a sniper of your own so now you have pretty much yourself to rely on to go up against 8. Now, if there was no n00bjet, that person probably wouldn't snipe because he couldn't snipe worth shit or he does try his luck with a $500 sniper, but becomes a hell of a lot less dangerous, and possibly even obsolte. Like Naamloos said, this isn't a real battle, and if it were a real battle, there would be no n00bjetter because there is no rifle round that can kill a person instantly from a shot to the foot.
whoa.
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| Fix the damn gun [message #123817] |
Fri, 03 December 2004 08:34 |
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Ripintou
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liberator
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I also request that you fix the vehicle damage. No sniper should be able to kill a vehicle under any circumstances, there should be a penalty for being so specialized.
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I disagree. Lets model our game Ramjet to the S2 AM Ramjet -
This rifle is a gas-operated magazine-fed weapon. It comes also with a smart-link scope with a 2x and 10x magnification. As an added bonus, the scope comes with a Nightvision capability--making for one of the best, top of the line quality, precision sniper weapons. Its huge 14.5 mm fin-stabilized round makes for excellent range and which can drill through many surfaces including armored targets.
Weight: 13 lbs.
Cartridge: 14.5mm armor-piercing fin-stabilized discarding sabot rounds.
Effective Range: 5000 feet.
Rate of Fire: Single Shot only.
Payload: 4 rounds.
Though I do sympathize with you about being at the complete mercy of all the snipers in your game, but as you can see the Ramjet can take out vehicles and should be able too in Renegade. I think it's fair that they take out choppers, artillery and the smaller vehicles like the buggy and Hmmwv. I guess if you have enough $$ for an APC, buy one and go run all the snipers down.....LOL  That is if you don't get sniped trying to get to your APC 
It can appear that this is an overpowering weapon, that's because it is. It's a one shot, one kill rifle. No matter where this 14.5mm round hits you on the human body, you will die.
I'm sure had you been GDI you'd have been one of those snipers.....LOL
n00bstories / Renegade Moderator
Renegade / Painkiller Texture Artist
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| Fix the damn gun [message #123834] |
Fri, 03 December 2004 09:58 |
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Dave Mason
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removing the ramjet will lower the number of renegade players believe me.
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It will lower the number of solo b00ns more like.
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| Fix the damn gun [message #123836] |
Fri, 03 December 2004 10:34 |
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liberator
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Though I do sympathize with you about being at the complete mercy of all the snipers in your game, but as you can see the Ramjet can take out vehicles and should be able too in Renegade. I think it's fair that they take out choppers, artillery and the smaller vehicles like the buggy and Hmmwv.
I would believe this except for the fact that it would still do much less damage against an armored vehicle
I guess if you have enough $$ for an APC, buy one and go run all the snipers down.....LOL That is if you don't get sniped trying to get to your APC
You're suggested counters don't work very well, any sniper confident enough in his abilities to stand in plain sight 100 yards from the enemy base isn't going to have a lot of problem whacking 4-5 basic infantry before they even get into range to try and damage him.
It can appear that this is an overpowering weapon, that's because it is. It's a one shot, one kill rifle. No matter where this 14.5mm round hits you on the human body, you will die.
Even the foot?:rolleyes:
I'm sure had you been GDI you'd have been one of those snipers....
No I wouldn't have been, because 1) I see it as decidedly unfair 2) I can't snipe with a RamJet and only moderatly well with the Standard; I prefer automatic weapons like the shard launcher or volt rifle and energy weapons like the PIC and Rail Gun
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| Fix the damn gun [message #123868] |
Fri, 03 December 2004 13:53 |
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smwScott
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I wish people would stop whining. When both teams have fully functional bases, the game is very balanced. Ramjets are useful for countering many types of units, but they can be easily killed if you are skilled enough.
I realize that you were in a hopeless situation. Tough shit, Renegade is a flawed game. The game would be significantly worse if the ramjet was removed, and this is coming from someone who rarely even bothers sniping let alone using the ramjet.
-smwScott
47% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
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| Fix the damn gun [message #123874] |
Fri, 03 December 2004 14:05 |
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Yes.
There was a time when people were impressed that I have the firepower to decimate a planet in under 10 minutes.
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| Fix the damn gun [message #123878] |
Fri, 03 December 2004 14:16 |
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GetSm0keD
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the damage could be reduced a touch when it comes to the humvee/buggys
compare the damage that the volt gun/PIC guns do to a humvee/buggy
there both 1000$ characters..
the PIC gun should be the only heavey damage gun cause the reload takes to so long
damage vs time of reload.. noobjets should be like a 2 shot gun then reload
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| Fix the damn gun [message #123888] |
Fri, 03 December 2004 14:32 |
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YSLMuffins
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Ramjets are only unfair in how much you can get with them at shooting vehicles. Points need to be awarded according to the damage inflicted.
You may as well complain about APC whores who just run people over when the opposing team is left with basic infantry. :rolleyes: I hate them too, but I don't want the APC removed.
-YSLMuffins
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| Fix the damn gun [message #123890] |
Fri, 03 December 2004 14:37 |
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I think the ramjet is fine. So what it makes driving a hummer or heli harder, buy an apc, take out the hand/bar, fly your heli as much as you damn well please. And besides that, you could just get better at flying/driving. I've seen plenty of ppl in helis that are good take on multiple sak/havoc and win. Helis and hummers are purposefully week because they have other strengths, namely speed and manuverability.
In addition, no one seems to complain about the fact that a shotgunner can take down an MRL/MobArt with ammo to spare! That seems more "unrealistic" and "unbalanced" than a sniper rifle designed to pierce armor.
There's plenty of ways to counter each and every strategy in Renegade, bottom line is, if you're getting mowed down by snipers, ramjet or non, GET BETTER AT DODGING/SNIPING. It's not that hard.
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