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Bush: Pre-Senile Dementia? [message #119732] Mon, 11 October 2004 14:45 Go to next message
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http://home.comcast.net/~blogitics/BushTenYrs4MB.mov

Thoughts?


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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Bush: Pre-Senile Dementia? [message #119734] Mon, 11 October 2004 15:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I do see a major difference between the two debates... maybe he has really bad campaign writers now?

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Bush: Pre-Senile Dementia? [message #119736] Mon, 11 October 2004 15:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, campaign writers don't make you stutter...Also, here's some interesting pictures from the debates...

http://www.n00bstories.com/image.fetch.php?id=1037129178

Yes, the White House has acknowledged these pictures, but say that they are just a bulge in his coat. I think not.


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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Bush: Pre-Senile Dementia? [message #119737] Mon, 11 October 2004 15:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The example they give of his present speech in the debate really has little to do with writers. Look at his pupils in the 1st clip, it looks like he's reading...

This is very interesting...
Bush: Pre-Senile Dementia? [message #119742] Mon, 11 October 2004 15:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The New York Times

WASHINGTON, Oct. 8 - What was that bulge in the back of President Bush's suit jacket at the presidential debate in Miami last week?

According to rumors racing across the Internet this week, the rectangular bulge visible between Mr. Bush's shoulder blades was a radio receiver, getting answers from an offstage counselor into a hidden presidential earpiece. The prime suspect was Karl Rove, Mr. Bush's powerful political adviser.

When the online magazine Salon published an article about the rumors on Friday, the speculation reached such a pitch that White House and campaign officials were inundated with calls.

First they said that pictures showing the bulge might have been doctored. But then, when the bulge turned out to be clearly visible in the television footage of the evening, they offered a different explanation.

"There was nothing under his suit jacket," said Nicolle Devenish, a campaign spokeswoman.

"It was most likely a rumpling of that portion of his suit jacket, or a wrinkle in the fabric."

Ms. Devenish could not say why the "rumpling" was rectangular.

Nor was the bulge from a bulletproof vest, according to campaign and White House officials; they said Mr. Bush was not wearing one.


Here's the link to the article, in case anyone wants to see it: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/09/politics/campaign/09bulge.html


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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Bush: Pre-Senile Dementia? [message #119744] Mon, 11 October 2004 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The video does show that President Bush was a good speaker at debates, but now it seems that his "communication device" failed, so he was not able to recieve the information that he needed. Tell me what you think

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Bush: Pre-Senile Dementia? [message #119746] Mon, 11 October 2004 16:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For the record, I think the radio transmitter on the back idea is retarted.
Bush: Pre-Senile Dementia? [message #119750] Mon, 11 October 2004 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think it's retarded for you to worry about wrinkles in his clothing. The contents of the debates are much more important than trivial bullshit you people cook up to throw attention off what was said.
Bush: Pre-Senile Dementia? [message #119751] Mon, 11 October 2004 16:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You seem suprised by this. It's what liberals do.

whoa.
Bush: Pre-Senile Dementia? [message #119752] Mon, 11 October 2004 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, campaign writers don't make you stutter...Also, here's some interesting pictures from the debates...

http://www.n00bstories.com/image.fetch.php?id=1037129178

Yes, the White House has acknowledged these pictures, but say that they are just a bulge in his coat. I think not.


Honestly to me that looks like someone wearing a kevlar vest under their coat, I mean he does seem a bit wider than usual in those pictures in my opinion.

They are obviously not just wrinkles, my bet would be on a kevlar vest. you know, to stop bullets from entering your body if you're shot at.
Bush: Pre-Senile Dementia? [message #119753] Mon, 11 October 2004 16:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You're confusing liberals with FOX News, and ACK, are you honestly saying that the perfect square on the back of Bush's clothing is a wrinkle?

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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You're confusing liberals with FOX News

And you're confusing intelligence with idiocy.


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Bush: Pre-Senile Dementia? [message #119762] Mon, 11 October 2004 17:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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...And yet I haven't mentioned intelligence in this thread yet. Stay on-topic, please.

Oh, and Toxin, it does look like a Kevlar buckle, a bit, although the White House has come out and said it was not a bullet-proof vest. Regardless, some funny business is going on.


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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Bush: Pre-Senile Dementia? [message #119763] Mon, 11 October 2004 17:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You're confusing liberals with FOX News, and ACK, are you honestly saying that the perfect square on the back of Bush's clothing is a wrinkle?



2 words,

Kevlar Vest, and I don't blame him at all. Where the hell did you get this fox news bullshit...


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When I look at this thread, all that comes to mind is WTF? Are you people actually that anal that you view pictures of the president at all sides and pick out all the little petty flaws? I mean, you have nothing better to do with you time? Well I dont say anything about how John Kerry has the face of a horse, or it looks like he got smacked square in the face by an iron now do I? lol i guess I did WHOOPS....

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Bush: Pre-Senile Dementia? [message #119767] Mon, 11 October 2004 17:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Woah there, cowboy.

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I'm going to have to with SuperFlyingEngi on this one. Wrinkles are not shaped in perfect squares, like in the picture seen above. All you people mad about us discussing what is wrong can just eat me.

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Why don't we focus a bit more on the video?
Bush: Pre-Senile Dementia? [message #119783] Mon, 11 October 2004 18:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Looks like a bulletproof vest to me. And naturally they would not want to say or announce or even admit thats what it was. Because revealing he was wearing one would nullify its advantage of keeping him safe.

In other words, if some crazy fuckhead who wanted to kill the President knew he was wearing a kevlar vest, he would use a bomb or some other method, so best not to reveal it.
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Several options...

Maybe it IS a bulletproof vest and the Secret Service doesn't want people to know they thought he might need one at that debate.

Maybe it's some sort of medically-necessary brace for his spine or shoulders. (or maybe a bra Razz j/k)

Maybe it's the tag for the jacket because he spilled a drink on his original jacket and they had to stop at Armani on the way to the debate to get a new one.

From what I've seen in the movies, they try to conceal wires. Between the shoulder blades isn't the place to do it. Wires would be better placed in the midsection where the jacket fans out slightly. Furthermore, you can't see any earpiece. And lastly, even IF someone were feeding him the words, it doesn't change the content of the message... the same as we Republicans weren't in an uproar on footage that plainly showed Kerry pulling some sort of what could possibly have been a cheat sheet from his pocket and unfolding it on the podium.


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Maybe it IS a bulletproof vest and the Secret Service doesn't want people to know they thought he might need one at that debate.


Exactly, except I think its much more likely that they would not want it known about simply for the reason I pointed out.

Saying they wouldnt want people to know they thought he might need one at the debate, implies that "they" think that there is a good chance that people dislike the president and would want to do him harm.

Reality is, the debates are probably the least secure situation the president is ever in. Its not like the press briefings he holds where everyone knows each others name...these are total strangers in the audience, and although Im sure they were screened for weapons and whatnot, you never know what could happen. If I was head of security I would make him wear a vest too. And I wouldn't want it known that he was wearing a vest, otherwise it would make any would-be assasins change their tactic to one that might be unpredictable.
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the same as we Republicans weren't in an uproar on footage that plainly showed Kerry pulling some sort of what could possibly have been a cheat sheet from his pocket and unfolding it on the podium.


He wasn't pulling a cheat sheet out of his pocket, he was un-capping his pen.


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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I think it could be a vest as well. It would make perfect sense to not tell anyone he was wearing one- or even to deny he was wearing one. If there was a shooter somewhere in the audience, if they knew he had a vest on, they might shoot for the head instead- and a helmet would have been much harder to conceal (that, and someone would be bound to say there was a headset concealed in it, yadda yadda yadda). Somewhat like the flight suit that people have been complaining about from that carrier landing- well, he couldn't very well sit in an ejection seat(and you'd better believe that's where he was) with a suit and tie on.

You're making mountains out of molehills here. Even if it was a reciever, so what? It obviously doesn't help him in anyway, so why the big problem with it? If it were Kerry with a "mysterious" shape under his jacket, the Democrats wouldn't care at all; it would be the Republicans bitching about it. I fail to see the significance of this; I'd place good money that candidates have been fed debate answers since they started doing debates in the first place.

Whee, political sniping... :rolleyes:


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Bush: Pre-Senile Dementia? [message #119790] Mon, 11 October 2004 18:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't know what it is, but it looks like he's lost weight so it may be some kind of diet patch.
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What about the movie? That's what this thread is about. The picture is just a little sidetrack I put here, and didn't feel like it warranted another thread.

Oh, and by the way, I can sort of understand the argument for body armor, I've already seen it, but those people in that town hall meeting must be so well scanned by the Secret Service that I doubt any of them could ever be a potential killer.


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"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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