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| New Presidential Debate Thread. [message #119083] |
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I'm wishi-washi, and I'm a flip-flopper.
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I suck cock and love it... absolutely love it. And I just got banned for being too immature to be allowed to post here.
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| New Presidential Debate Thread. [message #119176] |
Sat, 09 October 2004 07:41 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Hm...I'd say it was pretty much a tie, both candidates handled themselves well, Bush much better than his last appearance.
However, the tie-braker will probably be the number of lies Bush told, which were fairly numerous.
Here's a transcript of the whole thing, in case anyone's interested: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/08/politics/campaign/09dtext-full.html?oref=login&pagewanted=print&position=
More later.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| New Presidential Debate Thread. [message #119179] |
Sat, 09 October 2004 07:59 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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General Schizgelblizzy or whatever his name was, who Kerry said got removed from his post before he wanted to be? Well, that one turns out to actually be true. There's no better person to talk to on this matter than the General himself, who says that he was prematurely forced from his post.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| New Presidential Debate Thread. [message #119223] |
Sat, 09 October 2004 11:52 |
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DEGENHART: Senator Kerry, suppose you are speaking with a voter who believed abortion is murder and the voter asked for reassurance that his or her tax dollars would not go to support abortion, what would you say to that person?
KERRY: I would say to that person exactly what I will say to you right now.
First of all, I cannot tell you how deeply I respect the belief about life and when it begins. I'm a Catholic, raised a Catholic. I was an altar boy. Religion has been a huge part of my life. It helped lead me through a war, leads me today.
But I can't take what is an article of faith for me and legislate it for someone who doesn't share that article of faith, whether they be agnostic, atheist, Jew, Protestant, whatever. I can't do that.
But I can counsel people. I can talk reasonably about life and about responsibility. I can talk to people, as my wife Teresa does, about making other choices, and about abstinence, and about all these other things that we ought to do as a responsible society.
But as a president, I have to represent all the people in the nation. And I have to make that judgment.
Now, I believe that you can take that position and not be pro- abortion, but you have to afford people their constitutional rights. And that means being smart about allowing people to be fully educated, to know what their options are in life, and making certain that you don't deny a poor person the right to be able to have whatever the constitution affords them if they can't afford it otherwise.
That's why I think it's important. That's why I think it's important for the United States, for instance, not to have this rigid ideological restriction on helping families around the world to be able to make a smart decision about family planning.
You'll help prevent AIDS.
You'll help prevent unwanted children, unwanted pregnancies.
You'll actually do a better job, I think, of passing on the moral responsibility that is expressed in your question. And I truly respect it.
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Great way to dodge the question with a convoluted answer like that, Senator! :thumbsup:
Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
God be with you, Uncle Wally.
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| New Presidential Debate Thread. [message #119298] |
Sat, 09 October 2004 16:33 |
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OK, Bush won. Why? Because when Kerry spoke, I had to keep checking to make sure I hadn't started watching last week's debate by mistake. I didn't hear much different from him than what he said last week... at least in regards to foreign policy.
Even after Bush, Cheney, and several news sites corrected the fact that the costs in Iraq are $120 billion, he still continues to stick with his $200b figure.
I wish Bush would have hit more on the contents of the Duelfer report, but I know he wouldn't really want to hit the UN's corruption too hard when his staffers are probably still digesting the massive report.
I'm the bawss.
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| New Presidential Debate Thread. [message #119437] |
Sun, 10 October 2004 08:28 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Bush did not tell any lies, or at least any more than kerry or any other polotician. He DID NOT lie to the nation. British intelligence, Russian intelligence, Chineese intelligence and American intelligence ALL SAID nukes were in iraq, thats pretty damn sure there there and THEY WERE THERE they were shipped out before the war or still in the ground somewere.
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What about the Duelfer report that says that Saddam was in no way able to procure WMDs, and hadn't had them since roughly 1991? Unless we were working on intelligence 13+ years old, Bush was lying.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| New Presidential Debate Thread. [message #119446] |
Sun, 10 October 2004 09:11 |
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Bush did not tell any lies, or at least any more than kerry or any other polotician. He DID NOT lie to the nation. British intelligence, Russian intelligence, Chineese intelligence and American intelligence ALL SAID nukes were in iraq, thats pretty damn sure there there and THEY WERE THERE they were shipped out before the war or still in the ground somewere.
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What about the Duelfer report that says that Saddam was in no way able to procure WMDs, and hadn't had them since roughly 1991? Unless we were working on intelligence 13+ years old, Bush was lying.
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http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/13656141?source=Evening%20Standard
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The author of the final report into Iraqi weapons of mass destruction threw Tony Blair and George Bush a lifeline today by saying the world was "better off" without Saddam Hussein.
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But giving evidence to the Senate armed services committee, he supported the military campaign. "The world is better off," he said.
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He said Saddam had made "a lot of progress" in eroding sanctions to the point at which he could begin building such weapons again - in fact it was the terror attacks of September 11 that undermined his plans.
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The report reveals how Saddam breached sanctions by abusing the oilfor- food programme. Instead of ensuring oil from Iraq was used to buy food and medicine for its people, the CIA-sponsored report alleges he spent millions bribing UN staff and foreign governments.
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No he wasn't.
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| New Presidential Debate Thread. [message #119450] |
Sun, 10 October 2004 09:29 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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But he did not have WMDs, which is what Bush repeatedly, over and over and over said. Charles Duelfer is doing all he can to help Bush out, but there really isn't all that much he can do.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| New Presidential Debate Thread. [message #119539] |
Sun, 10 October 2004 17:52 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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It's a lie if it's not true. That's sort of the definition or something...
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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