| Kerry did it again... [message #117884] |
Sat, 02 October 2004 12:28   |
Traingye
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I thought that the debate was pretty equal. Kerry, I thought, had the slight edge because form the begining he was on the offensive. Because of this Bush was on the deffensive the entie time and was stuttering the whole debate. Kerry described the reasons why he is agenst the war and I agree with him 100%.
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| Kerry did it again... [message #117924] |
Sat, 02 October 2004 13:59 |
Traingye
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He basically wants to invade N Korea, Iran, Libya, all of Africa, and most of South American. He even wants to Nuke the US because we have nukes.
He makes no sense what so ever. He is just saying things to get votes.
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That's just bull. He has never said that he is going to invade anybody. South American wasn't even metionend in the debate. In North Korea he said they would have disscusions about there nuclear weapons and about dissarming. He NEVER said ANYTHING about invadeing another contry EVER.
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| Kerry did it again... [message #118031] |
Sat, 02 October 2004 20:30 |
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Nodbugger
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He basically wants to invade N Korea, Iran, Libya, all of Africa, and most of South American. He even wants to Nuke the US because we have nukes.
He makes no sense what so ever. He is just saying things to get votes.
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That's just bull. He has never said that he is going to invade anybody. South American wasn't even metionend in the debate. In North Korea he said they would have disscusions about there nuclear weapons and about dissarming. He NEVER said ANYTHING about invadeing another contry EVER.
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Yes he did. You obviously did not watch or pay attention to the entire thing.
He said he wanted to invade every country except Iraq it is all right there in his words.
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And I will hunt down and kill the terrorists, wherever they are.
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So what was wrong with attacking Iraq?
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And we got weapons of mass destruction crossing the border every single day, and they're blowing people up.
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I thought there were no WMDs in Iraq?
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And there's an enormous undone job to protect the loose nuclear materials in the world that are able to get to terrorists.
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What Nuclear materials that Saddam didn't have and he didn't give away? I think he is lying!
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The only building that was guarded when the troops when into Baghdad was the oil ministry. We didn't guard the nuclear facilities.
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What Nuclear Facilities?
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We didn't guard the foreign office, where you might have found information about weapons of mass destruction. We didn't guard the borders.
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What WMDs?
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I believe that we have to win this. The president and I have always agreed on that. And from the beginning, I did vote to give the authority, because I thought Saddam Hussein was a threat, and I did accept that intelligence.
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So why are you against the war?
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Secondly, when we went in, there were three countries: Great Britain, Australia and the United States. That's not a grand coalition. We can do better.
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http://www.heritage.org/Research/MiddleEast/wm225.cfm
We bit more than that. Try 51 more.
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But what he has said is that, even knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, even knowing there was no imminent threat, even knowing there was no connection with Al Qaida, he would still have done everything the same way. Those are his words.
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Those are also your words!
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And we know that there were further diplomatic efforts under way. They just decided the time for diplomacy is over and rushed to war without planning for what happens afterwards.
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I don't think two years is a rush to war.
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We need to be smarter about now we wage a war on terror. We need to deny them the recruits. We need to deny them the safe havens.
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So why was it wrong to attack Iraq?
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I wasn't misleading when I said he was a threat. Nor was I misleading on the day that the president decided to go to war
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So what was wrong with the invasion?
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I will never let those troops down, and will hunt and kill the terrorists wherever they are.
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They were in Iraq.
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When you guard the oil ministry, but you don't guard the nuclear facilities, the message to a lot of people is maybe, "Wow, maybe they're interested in our oil."
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Maybe because 99% of Iraq's exports are oil?
And I say again...what Nuclear Facilities?
I only got about 2/3rds through the transcript.
http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004a.html
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| Kerry did it again... [message #118037] |
Sat, 02 October 2004 21:06 |
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Doitle, don't support Nodbugger you n00b.
I suck cock and love it... absolutely love it. And I just got banned for being too immature to be allowed to post here.
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| Kerry did it again... [message #118078] |
Sun, 03 October 2004 01:07 |
NHJ BV
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He said he wanted to invade every country except Iraq it is all right there in his words.
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And I will hunt down and kill the terrorists, wherever they are.
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So what was wrong with attacking Iraq?
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That there were no terrorists in Iraq, except maybe in the northern Kurdish parts?
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And we got weapons of mass destruction crossing the border every single day, and they're blowing people up.
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I thought there were no WMDs in Iraq?
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He's talking about foreign people going into Iraq to blow stuff up.
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And there's an enormous undone job to protect the loose nuclear materials in the world that are able to get to terrorists.
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What Nuclear materials that Saddam didn't have and he didn't give away? I think he is lying!
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Why do you assume he's talking about Iraq here?
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The only building that was guarded when the troops when into Baghdad was the oil ministry. We didn't guard the nuclear facilities.
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What Nuclear Facilities?
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Nukes =! nuclear facilities.
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We didn't guard the foreign office, where you might have found information about weapons of mass destruction. We didn't guard the borders.
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What WMDs?
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The WMD's Bush believed to be there. Can't you see he's talking about a hypothetical situation here in which there were WMDs, as Bush said?
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I believe that we have to win this. The president and I have always agreed on that. And from the beginning, I did vote to give the authority, because I thought Saddam Hussein was a threat, and I did accept that intelligence.
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So why are you against the war?
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He's against how Bush handled it, I believe.
Obviously the guy's not going to sum up 51 countries during a debate. The other 51 hardly contributed anything. As Kerry later pointed out, you can hardy call this a coalition.
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But what he has said is that, even knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, even knowing there was no imminent threat, even knowing there was no connection with Al Qaida, he would still have done everything the same way. Those are his words.
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Those are also your words!
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...he's quoting Bush here.
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And we know that there were further diplomatic efforts under way. They just decided the time for diplomacy is over and rushed to war without planning for what happens afterwards.
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I don't think two years is a rush to war.
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After diplomacy, they did rush to war. They did not really prepare for war for two years.
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We need to be smarter about now we wage a war on terror. We need to deny them the recruits. We need to deny them the safe havens.
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So why was it wrong to attack Iraq?
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Because there were no terrorists there. Try invading Saudi-Arabia if you want to find terrorists.
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I wasn't misleading when I said he was a threat. Nor was I misleading on the day that the president decided to go to war
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So what was wrong with the invasion?
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The fact it was handled pretty bad. And Saddam was not a threat to the US (nor to anyone else really).
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I will never let those troops down, and will hunt and kill the terrorists wherever they are.
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They were in Iraq.
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Now they are, yes, thanks to Mr. Bush.
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When you guard the oil ministry, but you don't guard the nuclear facilities, the message to a lot of people is maybe, "Wow, maybe they're interested in our oil."
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Maybe because 99% of Iraq's exports are oil?
And I say again...what Nuclear Facilities?
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I pointed that out already. Besides, it shouldn't be that hard to guard both.
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| Kerry did it again... [message #118131] |
Sun, 03 October 2004 14:39 |
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That there were no terrorists in Iraq, except maybe in the northern Kurdish parts?
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LIE, there were many terrorist in Iraq, Saddam, people in Al-Queda, Hamas, they were all there.
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He's talking about foreign people going into Iraq to blow stuff up.
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But There were no WMD! How did they get these WMD?
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Why do you assume he's talking about Iraq here?
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Saddam had dealings with terrorists, he had plans to make Nuclear weapons and he could have gotten nuclear materials.
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Nukes =! nuclear facilities
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Iraq has no nuclear facilities! Israel destroyed the one FRANCE built for them! So he is either lying or saying there were WMD in Iraq.
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The WMD's Bush believed to be there. Can't you see he's talking about a hypothetical situation here in which there were WMDs, as Bush said?
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Does it really matter? He calls Bush a liar for there not possibly not being any. So why would he talk about a hypothetical situation?
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He's against how Bush handled it, I believe.
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There was no other way to handle it.
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Obviously the guy's not going to sum up 51 countries during a debate. The other 51 hardly contributed anything. As Kerry later pointed out, you can hardy call this a coalition.
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WTF are you smoking? no other country can contribute anything compared to what the US can give. There are no major military powers in the world we would want there besides the US. Everyone else has shit for a military or they are communists! WTF do you expect, did you want Bush to find some Alien race with super technology to help us?
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...he's quoting Bush here.
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He also said that same exact thing, numb nuts.
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After diplomacy, they did rush to war. They did not really prepare for war for two years.
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!2 years of diplomacy and 2 years of asking about it is not a rush to war. Only an idiot would think that.
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Because there were no terrorists there. Try invading Saudi-Arabia if you want to find terrorists.
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Yes there were jackass.
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The fact it was handled pretty bad. And Saddam was not a threat to the US (nor to anyone else really).
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Then how come that article I posted not too long ago written by the lead Iraq nuclear scientist says Iraq could have started their Nuclear program up at any time. And how come Putin told Bush Saddam planned to attack within the US?
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Now they are, yes, thanks to Mr. Bush.
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They have always been there. To think they hopped the border to come and fights is stupid. They are there and we are killing them. They are not in the US killing civilians.
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I pointed that out already. Besides, it shouldn't be that hard to guard both.
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That is why you are not in charge of anything.
Do ever listen to what anyone else has to say?
This stuff has been proven for months now. Get with it and stop being a dumb ass.
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| Kerry did it again... [message #118171] |
Sun, 03 October 2004 15:53 |
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Fabian
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Fine, I'll point out one...and conveniently it's the first thing he blurts out:
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LIE, there were many terrorist in Iraq, Saddam, people in Al-Queda, Hamas, they were all there.
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The vast majority of sources will tell you that there was no link between Al-Queda and Iraq...including the 9/11 commission report.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html
Of course, there are many more flaws to Nodbugger's post(s), but I don't have that kind of energy.
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| Kerry did it again... [message #118182] |
Sun, 03 October 2004 16:02 |
Traingye
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LOL.
Anyway that "intellegent" comment by Nodbugger there reminded me of something. Is it just me or do conservitive do more flameing overall? For example I was in the 5th hour class last week and the person asked me if I was a demecrate. I said yes and they he said "you basterd".
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