| Kerry did it again... [message #117488] |
Thu, 30 September 2004 17:17  |
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bigejoe14
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Watching the debates right now. Kerry just got done debating that our soldiers in Iraq do not have the proper equipment to fight the war on terror. And he complains that it's Bush's fault for that.
It's like watching stand-up comedy.
WHATEVER, FAGGOT
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| Kerry did it again... [message #117496] |
Thu, 30 September 2004 17:46  |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Well, it kind of is Bush's fault for sending our troops to Iraq with insufficient armor. It's not like Kerry used his mind control devices to force the President to withhold body armor. That's not how it works.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Kerry did it again... [message #117501] |
Thu, 30 September 2004 18:34 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Now, there's something wrong there, but it's irrelevent right here, and I don't feel like researching right now.
Kerry's vote didn't automatically remove body armor for our troops, if he did in fact vote against body armor. President Bush was the President. His decision counts just a whee bit more than a Senator's.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Kerry did it again... [message #117503] |
Thu, 30 September 2004 18:38 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Again, there's something wrong with the body armor thing, but I don't feel like looking it up right now, as I'm much more content to simply eat my soup. I might post something up tomorrow.
By the way, Bush did an OK job in the debate, but got his head handed to him in the end, especially when it came to nuclear proliferation.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Kerry did it again... [message #117516] |
Thu, 30 September 2004 19:40 |
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Fabian
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Some notes I took:
When they shook hands, Kerry looked a lot more comfortable than Bush.
I may have missed it, but I don't think the words "flip" or "flop were ever explicitly used. Kudos to Bush! However, Bush sounded like a broken record, repeating the same phrases over and over again. Kerry did too, but not as badly.
When asked if they thought there would be an increased risk of attack during the upcoming election, both COMPLETELY ignored the question and rambled on about Iraq.
Bush seemed to have trouble keeping up with Kerry as far as rebuttles go.Both, at one point or another, mispoke and mixed up Saddam and bin Laden (they corrected themselves, though). Wow! It's almost as if, thanks to a certain president, people now associate the two, even though they are unrelated!
Kerry finished his speeches VERY strongly. Bush either didn't use all of his time, or used too much and ended up going over the limit or speaking very quickly at the end.
NBC seemlingly broke the rules the most.
I've always agreed with Kerry's stances on Iraq, but I don't know enough of the logistics about Korea to know who to agree with. My verdict? I think Kerry won, but that may be because I've already decided that I'm voting for him.
71% of people on an NBC poll say Kerry won.
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| Kerry did it again... [message #117519] |
Thu, 30 September 2004 20:12 |
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bigejoe14
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71% of people on an NBC poll say Kerry won.
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That, of course, is coming from Liberal media. Those aren't very trustworty results.
WHATEVER, FAGGOT
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| Kerry did it again... [message #117528] |
Thu, 30 September 2004 20:56 |
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Interex
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Did Kerry Vote "No" on Body Armor for Troops?
"Yes, along with $87 billion worth of other things. But Bush didn't send enough in the first place."
"40,000 US troops were sent to Iraq without the best-grade body armor. Frontline troops had the new vests, containing ceramic plates that can stop assault-rifle bullets, while others had only older designs that offered protection mainly against shrapnel and lower-velocity projectiles."
So your both right... either way its still messed up that kerry voted against something and yet uses it against bush in a debate...
You should send them more equipment but I don't want to give you the money to do it. :rolleyes:
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| Kerry did it again... [message #117562] |
Fri, 01 October 2004 04:33 |
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Jecht
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SEAL, how naive
All media is liberal except FoX News, dont believe what you hear. Im a Republican and even I speculate on the information of FoX News. Also, dont base part of why you are choosing Kerry over Bush because of the way he shook hands, that my friend is ludacris. Also you agree with the way Kerry thought we should handle Iraq, ummmmm, i forgot, what was his stance on Iraq? O yea, he didnt have one because he was too busy changing his mind and voting against body armor for the Soldiers (one of the few votes he even showed up for I might add). Also remember 4 years ago? The media all thought Al Gore won the Debate, unfortunately that doesnt mean crap if you dont win the election.
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| Kerry did it again... [message #117662] |
Fri, 01 October 2004 12:21 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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| bigejoe14 |
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71% of people on an NBC poll say Kerry won.
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That, of course, is coming from Liberal media. Those aren't very trustworty results.
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How is NBC so liberal? Did the National Review tell you that? And Bush did get his head handed to him pretty badly last night.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Kerry did it again... [message #117676] |
Fri, 01 October 2004 13:37 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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You obviously didn't actually watch the debates...
If you were indeed referencing the debates that came on last night, your points are too stupid for me to care. Seriously, I rarely say this, but with thoughts like that, you're not worth me wasting my time on you.
Get a clue, man. I feel sad for you.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Kerry did it again... [message #117682] |
Fri, 01 October 2004 13:46 |
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Nodbugger
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"I'll never give a veto to any country over our security. But . . ."
"I believe in being strong and resolute and determined. And I will hunt down and kill the terrorists, wherever they are. But . . ."
"We have to be steadfast and resolved, and I am. And I will succeed for those troops, now that we're there. We have to succeed. We can't leave a failed Iraq. But . . ."
"I believe that we have to win this. The president and I have always agreed on that. And from the beginning, I did vote to give the authority, because I thought Saddam Hussein was a threat, and I did accept that intelligence. But . . ."
"I have nothing but respect for the British, Tony Blair, and for what they've been willing to do. But . . ."
"What I want to do is change the dynamics on the ground. And you have to do that by beginning to not back off of the Fallujahs and other places, and send the wrong message to the terrorists. You have to close the borders. You've got to show you're serious in that regard. But . . ."
"I couldn't agree more that the Iraqis want to be free and that they could be free. But . . ."
"No president, through all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to pre-empt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America. But . . ."
"I've never wavered in my life. I know exactly what we need to do in Iraq, and my position has been consistent: Saddam Hussein is a threat. He needed to be disarmed. We needed to go to the U.N. The president needed the authority to use force in order to be able to get him to do something, because he never did it without the threat of force. But . . ."
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Notice how everyone ends in but? He contradicts every statement he makes.
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| Kerry did it again... [message #117717] |
Fri, 01 October 2004 16:38 |
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I may have missed it, but I don't think the words "flip" or "flop were ever explicitly used. Kudos to Bush! However, Bush sounded like a broken record, repeating the same phrases over and over again. Kerry did too, but not as badly.
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=gbull=[L]=]Yea he got ownt, but the liberal media wont let ppl know that, they all think he won.
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The American media influences your opinion these t hings.
THEY DO NOT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE NEUTRAL (let's call it the FOX News syndrome).
I suck cock and love it... absolutely love it. And I just got banned for being too immature to be allowed to post here.
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| Kerry did it again... [message #117748] |
Fri, 01 October 2004 17:28 |
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Crimson
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The debates started with Bush being really strong and bringing up good points, but sorta faltered at the end. I would agree with Rush Limbaugh that at a certain point he'd just felt like he'd said everything he needed to say and didn't want to be there any more.
I watched the debate on CSPAN where the camera stayed on both men simultaneously, didn't show Lehrer once the debate started, and there was no commentary to mess with my opinions on the course of the debate. I made sure I watched it twice before I read or listened to other people's comments.
I'm the bawss.
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