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Fri, 13 August 2004 00:57

Doitle
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How can you guys criticize him for "Not speaking his own words" and then when said 'words' are fumbled blame him? You have to choose a side. If he reads someone elses speech from a teleprompter than you can fault that, but not the content of the speech then, and If it's his speech than yes it was a poor choice of words, but their his words.. If it was written for him by a team of writers than go yell at them and say Bush should speak his own words. Jesus... You can't say he has nothing to do with something and everything to do with something... That doesnt work. He's not Bush from the 9th dimension...

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Fri, 13 August 2004 03:16

Javaxcx
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The choice of words for that single complete thought was fallable. Nothing more.

If a canditate or president makes an error in their speech it shouldn't reflect on their ability to lead. This will, and has been eatten up by the media (in fact, it's my setjoin because it's humourous as a complete and seperate thought), but the meaning of the sentence in proper context is not a bad thing. It shouldn't be construde that way to imply that Bush wants to launch planes into buildings full of innocents.

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Fri, 13 August 2004 04:53

Fabian
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Doitle

How can you guys criticize him for "Not speaking his own words" and then when said 'words' are fumbled blame him? You have to choose a side. If he reads someone elses speech from a teleprompter than you can fault that, but not the content of the speech then, and If it's his speech than yes it was a poor choice of words, but their his words.. If it was written for him by a team of writers than go yell at them and say Bush should speak his own words. Jesus... You can't say he has nothing to do with something and everything to do with something... That doesnt work. He's not Bush from the 9th dimension...

Yet...somehow...so many presidents and politicians have managed to not look like idiots so often when speaking. How do they do it? How DOOOO they do it?! Oh my god, what's their secret!?

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Fri, 13 August 2004 06:44

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Doitle

How can you guys criticize him for "Not speaking his own words" and then when said 'words' are fumbled blame him? You have to choose a side. If he reads someone elses speech from a teleprompter than you can fault that, but not the content of the speech then, and If it's his speech than yes it was a poor choice of words, but their his words.. If it was written for him by a team of writers than go yell at them and say Bush should speak his own words. Jesus... You can't say he has nothing to do with something and everything to do with something... That doesnt work. He's not Bush from the 9th dimension...

Yet...somehow...so many presidents and politicians have managed to not look like idiots so often when speaking. How do they do it? How DOOOO they do it?! Oh my god, what's their secret!?

Maybe because you weren't sitting there analyzing every single word they says?

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Fri, 13 August 2004 11:47

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"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky"

See, I interpreted that as "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky" when in fact what he meant to say was "yeah, she sucked me off in the oval office".

I'm the bawss.

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Fri, 13 August 2004 13:35

Fabian
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To Nodbugger:

You think other presidents don't get equal attention to things like this!? If someone ELSE were in office, and they said the same thing, trust me, you WOULD hear about it. See there are these people that pay close attention to what the president says. Oh yes! I remember know, they are called "RE-PORT-ERS"!

To Crimson:

Clinton lied. What's the relevance?

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Fri, 13 August 2004 13:39

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To Nodbugger:

You think other presidents don't get equal attention to things like this!? If someone ELSE were in office, and they said the same thing, trust me, you WOULD hear about it. See there are these people that pay close attention to what the president says. Oh yes! I remember know, they are called "RE-PORT-ERS"!

To Crimson:

Clinton lied. What's the relevance?

This is different.

Before the 2000 election people were generally satisfied with who ever became president. They did not protest because they did not like the outcome. They did not bitch and moan about it during the entire presidency. They did not protest every move that president made no matter how right he was, they did it because they have a grudge.

People are still pissed off Bush won the election and for some reason it is their goal to make his presidency a living hell.

And those people are idiots.

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Fri, 13 August 2004 13:45

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That's pretty presumptuous of you. I happened to like Bush up until I became informed to what really happened regarding Iraq.

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Fri, 13 August 2004 13:59

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Crimson

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky"

See, I interpreted that as "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky" when in fact what he meant to say was "yeah, she sucked me off in the oval office".

"boobay"

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Fri, 13 August 2004 14:00

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Javaxcx

That's pretty presumptuous of you. I happened to like Bush up until I became informed to what really happened regarding Iraq.

And what really happened in Iraq?

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Fri, 13 August 2004 14:05

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Not necessarily what happened in Iraq. I said in regards to Iraq. It's pretty obvious what happened IN Iraq. In regards to it, the war was the product of a violation of international law. I don't care who the President is, or what they've done for their country, if you break the law, you don't deserve to be in office. The same goes for Clinton and every other democratic or republican president in the future.

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Fri, 13 August 2004 14:16

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Not necessarily what happened in Iraq. I said in regards to Iraq. It's pretty obvious what happened IN Iraq. In regards to it, the war was the product of a violation of international law. I don't care who the President is, or what they've done for their country, if you break the law, you don't deserve to be in office. The same goes for Clinton and every other democratic or republican president in the future.

Yep...we broke the law :rolleyes:

Oh, no some silly UN law is more important than an evil maniacal dictator...you dumb asses need to get your priorities straightened out.

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Fri, 13 August 2004 14:18

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You need to understand that the law is still the law, child.

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Fri, 13 August 2004 14:19

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Fri, 13 August 2004 14:25

Fabian
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Nodbugger

Before the 2000 election people were generally satisfied with who ever became president. They did not protest because they did not like the outcome. They did not bitch and moan about it during the entire presidency. They did not protest every move that president made no matter how right he was, they did it because they have a grudge.

So all us hippie, tree-hugging, environment loving, non-shower-taking liberals had a huge meeting and said, "let's just randomly give this Bush guy a hard time!"?

Maybe the reason that there is so much bitching and moaning compared to other presidencies is because BUSH IS A BAD PRESIDENT.

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Fri, 13 August 2004 14:33

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Nodbugger

Before the 2000 election people were generally satisfied with who ever became president. They did not protest because they did not like the outcome. They did not bitch and moan about it during the entire presidency. They did not protest every move that president made no matter how right he was, they did it because they have a grudge.

So all us hippie, tree-hugging, environment loving, non-shower-taking liberals had a huge meeting and said, "let's just randomly give this Bush guy a hard time!"?

Maybe the reason that there is so much bitching and moaning compared to other presidencies is because BUSH IS A BAD PRESIDENT.

But everything you say he has done bad has pretty much been a lie or a Gross exaggeration of truth.

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Fri, 13 August 2004 14:36

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Javaxcx

You need to understand that the law is still the law, child.

That is what they teach you in Canada?

If you drive 10mph over the speed limit and the cop you just passed doesn't care, you haven't broken a law.

Laws are just guidelines, you can bend them and you can break them.

Bush did not break them. He attacked a group of people, Saddam Hussein and Co, and proceeded to give back Iraq to a more responsible and free government.

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Fri, 13 August 2004 14:40

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Are you fucking serious? I mean, are you bloody dense? You're impling it's not illegal unless you're caught.

It's a very good thing in this world that you cannot vote given your understanding of the world around you. My God, you think that laws are not rules, but are just "guidelines" that only have to be obeyed if you agree with them.

Guess what kid, that's not how it works. Do you even know what "law" means?

law ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lô)
n.
A rule of conduct or procedure established by custom, agreement, or authority.

The body of rules and principles governing the affairs of a community and enforced by a political authority; a legal system: international law.
The condition of social order and justice created by adherence to such a system: a breakdown of law and civilized behavior.
A set of rules or principles dealing with a specific area of a legal system: tax law; criminal law.

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Fri, 13 August 2004 14:46

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Quote:

enforced by a political authority

US=Political Authority

The UN obviously wasn't going to enforce any of their laws, which you have proven if we did break a law.

So why should we have to follow the rules if every other country gets away with it?

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Fri, 13 August 2004 14:54

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United Nations = International Authority. You know why? Because your country, and many others, signed the charter saying "we'll play by these rules".

Guess what, if Iraq violates international law, that does NOT give you authority to enforce the repercussions unless the United Nations says so. I don't ever recall seeing a resolution after the warning of resolution 1441 that says "Authorizes all Member States to use all means necessary to overthrow the sovreignty of Iraq".

I do, however remember seeing:

"Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Iraq, Kuwait, and the neighbouring States,"

The very fact that the CoW did not follow through with their commitment to the sovereignty of Iraq and overthrew Saddam, however evil and tyrannical he is, makes this war illegal.

Guess what. Two wrongs don't make a right. They don't under Canadian law, and they don't under international law. If I'm mistaken, please, show me ANYWHERE under international law that is says "two wrongs make a right".

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Fri, 13 August 2004 17:11

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Why the war in Iraq was legal...

(1991 Ceasefire Saddam Breached)
(UN Resolutions on Iraq)
(WH.gov: Saddam Hussein's Defiance of United Nations Resolutions)
(Scotsman: Attorney General Advised Blair War Was Legal - Butler)
(Age Australia: Yes, This War Is Legal)
(United Nations Security Council Resolution #678)
(United Nations Security Council Resolution #687)
(United Nations Security Council Resolution #1441)
(United Nations Charter Article 51)
(United Nations Charter Chapter VII)
(WFB's Latest: Should We Have Gone to War?)

I didn't screen these links, but they were compiled by a source I trust.

I'm the bawss.

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Fri, 13 August 2004 18:06

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Regarding this article: Mr. Hunt fails to mention a very key aspect of resolution 1441 that is extemely important:

"Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Iraq, Kuwait, and the neighbouring States,"

Too fully understand why this is such an important reaffirmation, I suggest you read over 678, 686, 687, and 1441 very carefully.

Another interesting article is Article 51. Something me and Warranto are investigating personally right now. So I'll get back to you on that ASAP.

Finally... I'm not sure where you're going with this article, so please enlighten me.

Just for the record, I have no doubt in my mind that Saddam violated UN Resolutions, so don't think that I don't.

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Sat, 14 August 2004 19:59

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I can understand what Bush is saying in that particular video clip. The speech uses a little parallelism, that's all. "The terrorists never stop thinking of ways of harming our country, and neither do we..." (however it goes) makes sense, because obviously to defend against terrorists you'd have to think like a terrorist. To directly state "so that we can defend against them" is condescending, IMO.

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Sat, 14 August 2004 20:28

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Who are you trying to convince? Yourself?

Grammaticly, George W. Bush's statement in the said video clip has one (1) correct grammatical meaning. Period.
Since you people obviously need it outlined for you...

George W. Bush

Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.

Let's take a look at the second sentence. "They" is the subject. It refers to the subject of the previous sentence, which is "Our enemies". So the sentence can logically be replaced with:

"Our enemies never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

"Do" is a very important word in the second sentence. "Do" refers to the verb of the second sentence's first clause: "stop", which has the adverb, "never" and is attached to the infinitive "thinking". Thus making the complete action clause, "never stop thinking". The direct object of which is "new ways to harm our country".

Because we are adding a negative word ("never"), we must turn "neither" into "either" in order to maintain the meaning, because double negatives are not allowed in English. So now, we can replace the original sentence with:

"Our enemies never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and we never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people either."

Take it to any English teacher. I can't believe that this is even being disputed. :rolleyes:

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Sat, 14 August 2004 20:30

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^ I can't believe you are that fucking retarded to even attempt to make it sound like he said something he did not say.

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