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I've got three documents for you to look at.

http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/resguide/scact2003.htm

Please note the far right column: Security Council Action / Vote. The security council debates and votes on ALL of these issues when they meet. That is why and how they work. When it says "no action", it means that the vote did not equate to a resolution.

Now look at March 19th, 2003. "NO ACTION". In fact, March 12th, on both Iraq-Kuwait issues, there was NO ACTION perscribed.

http://ods-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/PRO/N03/286/04/PDF/N0328604.pdf?OpenElement

This is a report of the meeting and the speakers prior to the voting.

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2003/sc7696.doc.htm

And that is the press release.

All of which prove to you, once and for all that this war is illegal.


And yet they don't care.

Meaning it isn't illegal. Because resolution 1546 praises it.

Now fuck off, you lose.


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How Bush will steal the 2004 Election... [message #105377] Sat, 31 July 2004 22:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh, and another thing. You're still wrong. Resolutions do not make the charter void. They are made in ACCORDANCE to the charter. It's not called "resolution" for no reason.

You obviously have no idea how the UN works, either. You're still wrong.



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How Bush will steal the 2004 Election... [message #105379] Sat, 31 July 2004 22:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And I'm sure it being called the "War on Terrorism" meant that it was for Iraqi's to be freed, right? Like I stated earlier, had freeing Iraqi citezens been the reason for going to war, ideas of WMD's and Terrorism ties would NEVER of been introduced.

And hind-sight arguements don't hold water, in any arguement where you plan to hold any sort of strength. Using your logic, we should execute you, and half the worlds population because we don't know what they'd do.

so Bush jr decides to wait over 6 months? And seeing as how you enjoy hind-sight arguements, here's one of my own. Had 9/11 not happened, I somehow doubt he would have invaded.

Oh, and sending supplies doesn't mean anything. At least it seems not to when it's Canada doing rather than participating in the war...
How Bush will steal the 2004 Election... [message #105380] Sat, 31 July 2004 22:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And yet they don't care.
Meaning it isn't illegal. Because resolution 1546 praises it.
Now fuck off, you lose.


Consider yourself owned. You won't even read those articles proving you wrong. Just like you won't read documents stating Iraq was disarming. And just like you won't read the UN charter.

It doesn't matter what the UN says today. I'm concerned with what happened in March 2003.



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How Bush will steal the 2004 Election... [message #105381] Sat, 31 July 2004 22:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh, and another thing. Bush did say that Iraq is part of the War on Terror:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/06/bush.speech.transcript/

Quote:

(Bush): Iraq is a part of the war on terror.



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How Bush will steal the 2004 Election... [message #105382] Sat, 31 July 2004 22:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh, so someone praising something makes it less illegal? Where have I head something similar... oh yes, vigilante cases! Law enforcement officials usually praise the work thats being done, publically or not, but when it comes down to that final desicion, IT'S STILL ILLEGAL EVEN IF IT ENDS UP BEING FORGIVEN.

LLiberty is the product of invasin, that has never been disputed (so I don't know why you seem to think it has been. It must make you feel better or something?) However, that DOES NOT mean that Liberty is a REASON for invading, it's simply a product.
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Oh, and another thing. You're still wrong. Resolutions do not make the charter void. They are made in ACCORDANCE to the charter. It's not called "resolution" for no reason.

You obviously have no idea how the UN works, either. You're still wrong.


http://www.un.org/Docs/scres/2002/sc2002.htm

'Recognizing the threat of Iraq's non-compliance with Council Resolutions and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses international peace and security'


It is all in Resolution 1441.


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And I'm sure it being called the "War on Terrorism" meant that it was for Iraqi's to be freed, right? Like I stated earlier, had freeing Iraqi citezens been the reason for going to war, ideas of WMD's and Terrorism ties would NEVER of been introduced.

And hind-sight arguements don't hold water, in any arguement where you plan to hold any sort of strength. Using your logic, we should execute you, and half the worlds population because we don't know what they'd do.

so Bush jr decides to wait over 6 months? And seeing as how you enjoy hind-sight arguements, here's one of my own. Had 9/11 not happened, I somehow doubt he would have invaded.

Oh, and sending supplies doesn't mean anything. At least it seems not to when it's Canada doing rather than participating in the war...


It is the War on Terror.

Is Saddam not a terrorist?


Your logic is seriously flawed. I am not Saddam. I have not done what Saddam has done. You have no reason to suspect me of anything. Saddam on the other hand.....you get my drift.


The Military Operation was called 'Operation Iraq Freedom'

You are jackass. Plain and simple. Europe would have failed in 15 minutes if we did not supply them.


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I've read Resolution 1441. It does not negate the authority of the Security Counsil. Just like no other Resolution does. But you know, it doesn't give the United States permission to invade other countries either.


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Is Saddam not a terrorist?


Actually, technically he is not. I addressed this with the definition of Terrorism something like 2 pages ago.



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And yet they don't care.
Meaning it isn't illegal. Because resolution 1546 praises it.
Now fuck off, you lose.


Consider yourself owned. You won't even read those articles proving you wrong. Just like you won't read documents stating Iraq was disarming. And just like you won't read the UN charter.

It doesn't matter what the UN says today. I'm concerned with what happened in March 2003.


I have read them hundreds of times before.

I do not need to read them now.

Not reading them for the 600th time in no way proves me wrong.

I do not care what the charter says. I care what the Security Resolutions say. Because they over ride anything in the charter.
Iraq was not disarming. Until a couple months ago we had every reason to believe Saddam Had wmd everywhere.

For all we know they are still hiding or were shipped out.

But it is 100% fact that as of 2002 they were there.


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I've read Resolution 1441. It does not negate the authority of the Security Counsil. Just like no other Resolution does. But you know, it doesn't give the United States permission to invade other countries either.


If you are going to stay ignorant don't do it here.

Security Resolutions negate the charter.


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You keep saying that the resolutions override the security council, yet you have no logical evidence (or any, for that matter) proving it. Just like you have no proof saying that he "100%" had WMD in 2002.

Oh, you're still wrong.



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Is Saddam not a terrorist?


Actually, technically he is not. I addressed this with the definition of Terrorism something like 2 pages ago.


Because giving money to Palestinians suicide bombers doesn't make him a terrorist.

Killing raping Genocide, naw definitely not terrorism. :rolleyes:


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He is acting as the sovriegn leader of Iraq. A GOVERNMENT. THAT IS NOT TERRORISM. TERRORISTS != LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT


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You keep saying that the resolutions override the security council, yet you have no logical evidence (or any, for that matter) proving it. Just like you have no proof saying that he "100%" had WMD in 2002.

Oh, you're still wrong.




Why don't you crawl into a hole and die?

Why would they pass a resolution saying

We blow blow Saddam up if he doesn't cooperate.

If we cannot blow him up?

Are you that fucking stupid.

I quote...again. For you dumb asses.

'Recognizing the threat of Iraq's non-compliance with Council Resolutions and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses international peace and security'

Right there Res 1441 written in 2002.


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You don't understand how those resolutions work. They are REFERING to previous resolutions before they make the resolution they are writing. It is the way they proof themselves so they don't have to put up with the beaucratic crap associated with "Well, where is your evidence?"

And that still doesn't negate the authority of the Security Counsil. So you're still wrong. Oh, and another thing: Ad Hominem is only funny when it's someone witty doing it. You are not.



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He is acting as the sovriegn leader of Iraq. A GOVERNMENT. THAT IS NOT TERRORISM. TERRORISTS != LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT



Go look up the damn defintion of terrorism.
Im done arguing here.

You are an idiot and you will not admit it.


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I already did. You obviously chose to ignore it.

Consider yourself owned, kid. You don't know how the world works. Smile[/i]



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Your logic is seriously flawed. I am not Saddam. I have not done what Saddam has done. You have no reason to suspect me of anything. Saddam on the other hand.....you get my drift.


I never stated you were Saddam, I never stated that you had done what he did. All I am saying is that by using your logic of not knowing the future, everyone should be taken care of, simply because they "may" do something.

See what I mean by hind-sight arguements not holding any strength? Unless, for whatever reason, it's you providing them :rolleyes:

Was he a terrorist? Yes. However, if the plan was to free the peopel of iraq, would the war not have been called something else, and the whole idea of the war NOT revolve around WMD's and terrorist ties?

Quite interesting here.. Resolution 1441 also states something else...

"Reaffiriming the comittement of all member states soverignty and territorial integrity of Iraq, Kuwait, and all the neighboring states."

And then again in 1443 (which I'm pretty sure comes after 1441)...

"Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the soverignty and territorial integrity of Iraq"

Kind of suggests that nothing should happen to them... no?
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I already did. You obviously chose to ignore it.

Consider yourself owned, kid. You don't know how the world works. Smile[/i]


I cannot believe I am replying.

In no way am I a kid and In no way am I owned.

I proved you wrong every single post.

any Sane person could see that.

You are just too Canadian to admit you were wrong...Isn't is past your bed time?


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And Javaxcx, he's right about the terrorist thing...

Specifically, "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person against people with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies, often for ideological or political reasons."

Edit: sorry Javaxcx, I guess I hate you now.

And nodbugger, I severly suggest you watch what you say about Canadians.

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Your logic is seriously flawed. I am not Saddam. I have not done what Saddam has done. You have no reason to suspect me of anything. Saddam on the other hand.....you get my drift.


I never stated you were Saddam, I never stated that you had done what he did. All I am saying is that by using your logic of not knowing the future, everyone should be taken care of, simply because they "may" do something.

See what I mean by hind-sight arguements not holding any strength? Unless, for whatever reason, it's you providing them :rolleyes:

Was he a terrorist? Yes. However, if the plan was to free the peopel of iraq, would the war not have been called something else, and the whole idea of the war NOT revolve around WMD's and terrorist ties?

Quite interesting here.. Resolution 1441 also states something else...

"Reaffiriming the comittement of all member states soverignty and territorial integrity of Iraq, Kuwait, and all the neighboring states."

And then again in 1443 (which I'm pretty sure comes after 1441)...

"Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the soverignty and territorial integrity of Iraq"

Kind of suggests that nothing should happen to them... no?



We are talking about past events. Saddam did bad things before.

We can now get rid of him.

So why the hell do you care so much?

there is no reason to be against the war.

Other than you are just a stupid jackass that needs something to complain about.

Sovereignty of Iraq. Not Saddam.

Try again jackass.


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You have proven nothing, actually. Both Warranto, AND myself have provided evidence. Evidence you have chosen to ignore.

Your statements are full of logical fallacy, ad hominem, and false assumptions.

And another thing, that's twice now you've said you were done arguing here. And that's now that you've replied thereafter in short succession.

Oh, and I know you're a kid, too. A little bird told me.

Now scuttle off, you have been owned.



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Uhh... Saddam (was) the leader of Iraq. As long as he stayed on Iraqi soil, you could not touch him.

When did I ever say I was against the war? Oh, right.. never.

I never stated I cared, however your complete ignorance of things being discussed is just astounding.

I could care less if Saddam Nuked every country in Europe, if the UN stated that Iraq was not to be touched, INVADING WOULD STILL BE ILLEGAL.
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