| Is RG so bad? [message #98527] |
Thu, 01 July 2004 04:21  |
Jzinsky
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It would appear 99% of players can't be bothered to use it, and here are the reasons I've found
It's flawed: so is everything
The server empties: I have it, why can't others?
No cheaters here: prove it
All in all, it seems that no-one can be bothered to protect themselves, and actually like to be/play with cheaters. So stuff this, I'll come back when some fair games crop up.
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| Re: Is RG so bad? [message #98544] |
Thu, 01 July 2004 06:06  |
Navonna
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| Jzinsky |
It would appear 99% of players can't be bothered to use it, and here are the reasons I've found
It's flawed: so is everything
The server empties: I have it, why can't others?
No cheaters here: prove it
All in all, it seems that no-one can be bothered to protect themselves, and actually like to be/play with cheaters. So stuff this, I'll come back when some fair games crop up.
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Yeah, have been finding it strange as well. I came back to renegade because of what renguard offered. Now have played on some of these servers listed as renguard protected like, black-cell, RG, DS, to name a few and yet even though I get message that am running renguard, server ops are not running renguard since they want the cheaters online as well. Server ops who run renguard finds very low turnout of players.
Servers who do not run renguard are the ones that have huge turnouts of cheaters online and everyone wonders why non-cheaters seems to lose all the time.
Servers on the Renguard Network should be running Renguard all the time and so what if lot of players do not want to use renguard. It goes to proves that cheaters or those who like to cheat will never use something that will prevent them from cheating.
Oh btw Crimson or whoever programmed Renguard, the extras cheats still work while using renguard even on a renguard running protected server.
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| Is RG so bad? [message #98546] |
Thu, 01 July 2004 06:12 |
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Scythar
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Those aren't really cheats....they don't work in laddered games either.
There's a hole in the sky through which things can fly.
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| Is RG so bad? [message #98622] |
Thu, 01 July 2004 11:29 |
Alkaline
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RG is an option, some servers have RG some players have RG.
Making pleas to get more people to use RG won't do any help.
Nor will more servers run RG. Once server owners and players see
a clear advantage playing with RG they will, but untill the benefits
out wiegh the problems, RG status will remain roughly the same.
http://www.UNRules.com
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| Re: Is RG so bad? [message #98654] |
Thu, 01 July 2004 12:45 |
flyingfox
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| Jzinsky |
It would appear 99% of players can't be bothered to use it, and here are the reasons I've found
It's flawed: so is everything
The server empties: I have it, why can't others?
No cheaters here: prove it
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You forgot the fact that it allows people to score 100+ kills a game carefree from accusations and possible eviction that would otherwise prevent people from using games just to kill.
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| Is RG so bad? [message #98670] |
Thu, 01 July 2004 15:00 |
egg098
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RenGuard does not just stop the obvious cheats; it blocks less-obvious and ones that are extremely hard to detect ingame.
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| Re: Is RG so bad? [message #98763] |
Thu, 01 July 2004 23:36 |
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gibberish
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You forgot the fact that it allows people to score 100+ kills a game carefree from accusations and possible eviction that would otherwise prevent people from using games just to kill.
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If you got 100+ kills in a non sniper game that I was in, I would probably accuse you of cheating Renguard or not, and if it was on my server I would still ban you.
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| Is RG so bad? [message #100528] |
Thu, 08 July 2004 20:08 |
renegay3
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Currently, I do not use renguard, as I don't cheat, and nobody accuses me of cheating. However, I disapprove of your statement that "people who play on non-renguard protected servers are cheaters, or those who like to cheat".
I have more personal honour than that.
Also, Black-cell does NOT state that it runs renguard....It runs a modified version, that allows anyone to join, but if they have renguard, it will be present on IRC, so if they are accused of cheating, they can be defended by mods/admins/VIPs from IRC.
Personally, I do not like to be with cheaters, but I have found that BEING with cheaters has given me the insight as what the other player (the victim of the cheating) feels.
I haven't used ANY renegade cheats, but I have used OGC against bots in CS 1.3.
However, I know I don't cheat, and I don't need a program to affirm that.
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| Is RG so bad? [message #100747] |
Sat, 10 July 2004 07:24 |
renegay3
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Posted by Author Message renegay3:
However, I know I don't cheat, and I don't need a program to affirm that.
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We need YOU to run that program to affirm to US that YOU dont cheat.
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If you, or ANY mod accuses me of cheating (this has happened a few times), then I will be glad to undertake any and all tests/screenshots you or your moderators require me to.
As I was saying, my main problem with this topic is, as I stated before, the belief that "people who play on non-renguard protected servers are cheaters, or those who like to cheat".
This is my main problem with renguard.
With that statement, you have just accused many good players of cheating. If you are interested with regards to whom, please state so, and I'll compile a list (although I DO have better things to do with my time).
I am prepared to give an admin/mod Full control of my PC (via "remote assistance"), if nessesary to prove that I don't cheat, provided that the admin/mod is from a server with a good reputation. Trust me, this has happened.
This is my choice.
This is the extent I will go to prove I don't cheat.
So please, everyone, retract the statement that people who don't use renguard are cheaters.
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| Is RG so bad? [message #100804] |
Sat, 10 July 2004 15:01 |
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Crimson
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Nobody wants to make you undergo any tests. There's a simple test. You install RenGuard, you run RenGuard, you play happily. I would never want the moderators on my servers to take time out of playing to test one person.
I'm the bawss.
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| Is RG so bad? [message #100820] |
Sat, 10 July 2004 18:38 |
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Ripintou
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renegay3
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or those who like to cheat".
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Of course those that like to cheat play in non-Renguard servers, it's the only place they can play. 
Take yourself over to FunMaps and play a couple games over there, the place is a magnet for FR users! I don't know why they all go there, OH! wait, silly me, they don't have Renguard. :rolleyes:
Your right; not everyone cheats, BUT just say your playing a great game, your really enjoying it and winning and then someone joins enemy team and has FR and wins it for them before anyone can figure out how to ban their complicated names. Renguard simply ensures that the: enjoyment feeling is not stolen. If you don't cheat then there is absolutely now worries for you 
Offering someone to check your computer proves nothing, cheats can be stored on CD-ROM or DVD.
Though many of us thought Renguard would kill Renegade, were completly wrong...even me! It's the cheaters killing it and now it's time to kill the cheaters!  So you could say Renegade is being Reborn......yay
I have absolutely no remorse, and I'm sure Crimson and all the individuals that were involved with making Renguard have no remorse either about loosing, say: 10,000 cheaters to ensure 50,000+ players can play a FUN GAME, because that's what's it's all about!!!!!
n00bstories / Renegade Moderator
Renegade / Painkiller Texture Artist
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| Is RG so bad? [message #100867] |
Sun, 11 July 2004 04:15 |
renegay3
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I would never want the moderators on my servers to take time out of playing to test one person.
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Then what are the "moderators" for then?
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I have absolutely no remorse, and I'm sure Crimson and all the individuals that were involved with making Renguard have no remorse either about loosing, say: 10,000 cheaters to ensure 50,000+ players can play a FUN GAME, because that's what's it's all about!!!!!
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Are you implying that one in five non-renguard users cheat??!!!
I believe that there are, maybe one in 100 users who cheat, and of those cheaters, many of the cheats "blur the line" between cheating and not cheating, ie. clear scope skins.
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Offering someone to check your computer proves nothing, cheats can be stored on CD-ROM or DVD
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If a cheat is on a CD/DVD, then it is not being used ingame, right?
And even if it was, then when they are playing renegade (as me), then it would be pretty apparent that they could try anything that I could do.
Maybe it's because I live in a different part of the world (GMT+10), but whenever I am on WOL, NO renguard servers are populated.
I have no remorse about cheaters finding nowhere to play. That suits me fine. What I do have remorse about is that many people who do not have renguard will stop playing, as, like me, there are no populated servers that run it when they play.
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| Is RG so bad? [message #100869] |
Sun, 11 July 2004 04:22 |
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Dan
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There are cheats out there which can evade screenshots, or that can easily be made. And it doesnt really take loads of effort to just run a little program before you run renegade does it? it takes less effort to do that than to spend ages taking screenshots, emailing them, giving mods remote access, etc...
Clearly, RenGuard offers more advantages than disadvantages.
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| Is RG so bad? [message #100880] |
Sun, 11 July 2004 08:16 |
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exnyte
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I would never want the moderators on my servers to take time out of playing to test one person.
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Then what are the "moderators" for then?
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They are there to help moderate what RenGuard can't. There are rules that RenGuard can't fight. There are rules that need to be upheld, that don't require tests.
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| Is RG so bad? [message #100915] |
Sun, 11 July 2004 16:06 |
renegay3
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What I do have remorse about is that many people who do not have renguard will stop playing, as, like me, there are no populated servers that run it when they play.
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so download renguard :rolleyes:
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Hmmm.... what would I prefer... Playing in an empty server with no cheaters, or playing in a populated server with the possibility of cheaters....
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| Is RG so bad? [message #100939] |
Sun, 11 July 2004 19:18 |
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exnyte
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Hmmm.... what would I prefer... Playing in an empty server with no cheaters, or playing in a populated server with the possibility of cheaters....
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First off, there are several of servers that require RenGuard and are often filled with users. Also, if you use RenGuard, you are not bound to play only RenGuard servers. To be completely honest, I would prefer to play in a lesser populated server, knowing full well that no one is cheating. And I know I'm not alone in that thought.
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| Is RG so bad? [message #100956] |
Sun, 11 July 2004 20:31 |
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xpontius
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First off my answer to the question is if RG acts like a big metal wall to renegade servers and is messin with my version, no. When someone preferably a creator of RG helps me fix the problems Ive been having, (which i have been asking on here and mantis) on getting back into ren and have it all fine and dandy again then it will be good. But its been weeks and I still cant play the game i payed for without reinstalling it and RG just to say sorry you dont have renguard stay out bitch prove it.
-Crategod
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| Is RG so bad? [message #101104] |
Mon, 12 July 2004 12:19 |
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Crimson
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620 people have played at least 5 games on n00bstories servers this month. Server 1 has had at least 20/32 players on it almost non-stop the last few days (until I accidentally crashed the FDS about 15 minutes ago)... When you launch RenGuard, right at the top of the MOTD you can see where people are playing and you can join those servers. That is with the exception of Black-Cell and The Pits (And I think TwA as well) which run a half version of RenGuard protection where there is still the possibility of subtle cheaters and Final Renegaders that can only be enforced when a moderator is available. But at least on those servers if you doubt someone, you can check and make sure they're on RenGuard.
I'm the bawss.
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