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Help Needed with WLT files [message #-988137] Sat, 28 December 2002 14:02 Go to next message
Anonymous
I've tried to gather some information about .WLT files inside the originally official Westwood .MIX files.

Here is a bit of what I found:
quote:
Originally posted by Greg Hjelstrom:
Wlt files are collections of lights that our lightmapping tool generates. None of the public tools generate them so just ignore them.

quote:
Originally posted by Abjab:
Well, if your talking about the original exported lights, you can use them in comando as well.

For example, the com center Interior W3D file is com_int_lm003.w3d, and the file that contains the lights is com_int_lm003.wlt

just put the associeted wlt file in the same folder of your w3d and they will be imported

now if you are making your own lights... you'll have to wait for my W3D Editor

I personally would like to explore more about the .WLT files, specially how I can create/edit them......

Anyone with more info regarding this? [Smile]
Help Needed with WLT files [message #-988136] Sat, 28 December 2002 14:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
You don't want to learn about it. You want to learn how to steal the technique.

But just for your information, there's no way of making Westwood Light Tablulation files without their tools or without Abjab's W3D tools, which will quite likely never be released.
Help Needed with WLT files [message #-988135] Sat, 28 December 2002 14:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Very Happy
Help Needed with WLT files [message #-988134] Sat, 28 December 2002 14:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
quote:
Originally posted by aircraftkiller2001:
You don't want to learn about it. You want to learn how to steal the technique.

But just for your information, there's no way of making Westwood Light Tablulation files without their tools or without Abjab's W3D tools, which will quite likely never be released.

Sorry, Mr. Aircraftnerd2001, but I'm looking for useful comments, not useless piece of internet trash, which is usually what you post.

And remember, it's Tabulation, not "Tablulation". [Roll Eyes]
Help Needed with WLT files [message #-988133] Sat, 28 December 2002 15:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
ok, here is the full story on lighting in W3D files.
1.there is the WLT file. A WLT file is basicly a bunch of light definitons. The format of these is documented in the w3d_file.h and stuff, its not complex.
2.there is the PRELIT_VERTEX and PRELIT_LIGTHMAP chunks in the w3d file. The format of all the relavent chunks is documented in w3d_file.h so thats not a problem
and 3.there are the special lighting textures. For example nod_tower001.w3d has a folder called nod_tower001+ that has a file called 0.dds in it.
These texture files contains some kind of lightmap information, how it works I havent a clue.

Acording to Greg Hjelstrom, westwood uses some special commercial costs big $$$ lighting tool then runs the output of that tool through some special in-house program to generate the 3 items above. Anyone that has the necessary information (the formats of the relavent chunks plus the deails of how the special textures works) and the necessary skills could write their own lightmapping tool. I havent heard anything anything indicating that abjab or anyone else is working on such a tool but I might be wrong [Smile]

As for abjabs w3d->gmax converter and stuff, the reason its not out yet is because the people working on it havent got the time (too busy with other things I guess)
Help Needed with WLT files [message #-988132] Sat, 28 December 2002 15:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
quote:
Originally posted by André:
quote:
Originally posted by aircraftkiller2001:
You don't want to learn about it. You want to learn how to steal the technique.

But just for your information, there's no way of making Westwood Light Tablulation files without their tools or without Abjab's W3D tools, which will quite likely never be released.

Sorry, Mr. Aircraftnerd2001, but I'm looking for useful comments, not useless piece of internet trash, which is usually what you post.

And remember, it's Tabulation, not "Tablulation". [Roll Eyes]

quote:
Originally posted by André:
quote:
Originally posted by aircraftkiller2001:
You don't want to learn about it. You want to learn how to steal the technique.

But just for your information, there's no way of making Westwood Light Tablulation files without their tools or without Abjab's W3D tools, which will quite likely never be released.

Sorry, Mr. Aircraftnerd2001, but I'm looking for useful comments, not useless piece of internet trash, which is usually what you post.

And remember, it's Tabulation, not "Tablulation". [Roll Eyes]

That's nice, kid. Keep copying me as you always do. You can't even formulate your own expressions, you sad ****er.

If you're not looking for useful comments, then get the hell out of the forums. If you can't take the heat, kid, don't go into the kitchen. I gave you what you needed to know... Now you can leave the community alone and go steal from another one.
Help Needed with WLT files [message #-988131] Sat, 28 December 2002 15:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan Wilson:
ok, here is the full story on lighting in W3D files.
1.there is the WLT file. A WLT file is basicly a bunch of light definitons. The format of these is documented in the w3d_file.h and stuff, its not complex.
2.there is the PRELIT_VERTEX and PRELIT_LIGTHMAP chunks in the w3d file. The format of all the relavent chunks is documented in w3d_file.h so thats not a problem
and 3.there are the special lighting textures. For example nod_tower001.w3d has a folder called nod_tower001+ that has a file called 0.dds in it.
These texture files contains some kind of lightmap information, how it works I havent a clue.

Acording to Greg Hjelstrom, westwood uses some special commercial costs big $$$ lighting tool then runs the output of that tool through some special in-house program to generate the 3 items above. Anyone that has the necessary information (the formats of the relavent chunks plus the deails of how the special textures works) and the necessary skills could write their own lightmapping tool. I havent heard anything anything indicating that abjab or anyone else is working on such a tool but I might be wrong [Smile]

As for abjabs w3d->gmax converter and stuff, the reason its not out yet is because the people working on it havent got the time (too busy with other things I guess)

Ok, Jonathan, thanks for the useful info you gave me. [Smile]
Help Needed with WLT files [message #-988130] Sat, 28 December 2002 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
You'd need the lightmap plugin and Westwood's dev tools for Max if you wanted to create lightmaps. I tried to create my own using fading alpha channels on colored bitmaps, but they looked too banded because of the mere 256 opacity values available. Lightmaps should be ignored, like Greg said.
Help Needed with WLT files [message #-988129] Sat, 28 December 2002 16:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
What purpose would creating your own WLT files serve? Would they make a map look better, or what? If they don't do anything, then why bother creating one?
Help Needed with WLT files [message #-988128] Sat, 28 December 2002 18:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
quote:
Originally posted by rjs87:
quote:
Originally posted by aircraftkiller2001:
quote:
Originally posted by André:
quote:
Originally posted by aircraftkiller2001:
You don't want to learn about it. You want to learn how to steal the technique.

But just for your information, there's no way of making Westwood Light Tablulation files without their tools or without Abjab's W3D tools, which will quite likely never be released.

Sorry, Mr. Aircraftnerd2001, but I'm looking for useful comments, not useless piece of internet trash, which is usually what you post.

And remember, it's Tabulation, not "Tablulation". [Roll Eyes]

quote:
Originally posted by André:
quote:
Originally posted by aircraftkiller2001:
You don't want to learn about it. You want to learn how to steal the technique.

But just for your information, there's no way of making Westwood Light Tablulation files without their tools or without Abjab's W3D tools, which will quite likely never be released.

Sorry, Mr. Aircraftnerd2001, but I'm looking for useful comments, not useless piece of internet trash, which is usually what you post.

And remember, it's Tabulation, not "Tablulation". [Roll Eyes]

That's nice, kid. Keep copying me as you always do. You can't even formulate your own expressions, you sad ****er.

If you're not looking for useful comments, then get the hell out of the forums. If you can't take the heat, kid, don't go into the kitchen. I gave you what you needed to know... Now you can leave the community alone and go steal from another one.

Is there anyway you could be more of a bi*ch
End that with a question mark, son. After all, you're asking one.

Maybe you didn't know that.
Help Needed with WLT files [message #-988127] Sat, 28 December 2002 19:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
quote:
Originally posted by aircraftkiller2001:
quote:
Originally posted by rjs87:
quote:
Originally posted by aircraftkiller2001:
quote:
Originally posted by André:
quote:
Originally posted by aircraftkiller2001:
You don't want to learn about it. You want to learn how to steal the technique.

But just for your information, there's no way of making Westwood Light Tablulation files without their tools or without Abjab's W3D tools, which will quite likely never be released.

Sorry, Mr. Aircraftnerd2001, but I'm looking for useful comments, not useless piece of internet trash, which is usually what you post.

And remember, it's Tabulation, not "Tablulation". [Roll Eyes]

quote:
Originally posted by André:
quote:
Originally posted by aircraftkiller2001:
You don't want to learn about it. You want to learn how to steal the technique.

But just for your information, there's no way of making Westwood Light Tablulation files without their tools or without Abjab's W3D tools, which will quite likely never be released.

Sorry, Mr. Aircraftnerd2001, but I'm looking for useful comments, not useless piece of internet trash, which is usually what you post.

And remember, it's Tabulation, not "Tablulation". [Roll Eyes]

That's nice, kid. Keep copying me as you always do. You can't even formulate your own expressions, you sad ****er.

If you're not looking for useful comments, then get the hell out of the forums. If you can't take the heat, kid, don't go into the kitchen. I gave you what you needed to know... Now you can leave the community alone and go steal from another one.

Is there anyway you could be more of a bi*ch
End that with a question mark, son. After all, you're asking one.

Maybe you didn't know that.

Yep, I guess you can. Why do you even stay in these forums? You seem to be such a **** that it almost seems like you hate anyone that makes a bad comment towards you. Why would you be anywhere near someone you hate?
Help Needed with WLT files [message #-988126] Sat, 28 December 2002 19:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
You assume too much. Try thinking outside the box, kid.
Help Needed with WLT files [message #-988125] Sat, 28 December 2002 20:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
quote:
Originally posted by aircraftkiller2001:
You assume too much. Try thinking outside the box, kid.

You assume too much. Try thinking outside the box, and realize adults play this game too. You know...like me, person.

[ December 29, 2002, 03:13: Message edited by: rjs87 ]
Help Needed with WLT files [message #-988124] Sun, 29 December 2002 03:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Fight, fight, fight!!
Help Needed with WLT files [message #-988123] Sun, 29 December 2002 04:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
This makes me wonder why WS won't make a flame section on these forums. Keep the Mod forums and other parts clean...

[ December 29, 2002, 11:23: Message edited by: vloktboky03 ]
Help Needed with WLT files [message #-988122] Sun, 29 December 2002 06:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
ding ding!
Help Needed with WLT files [message #-988121] Sun, 29 December 2002 09:52 Go to previous message
Anonymous
I specifically remember Abjab telling me that he was going to create a tool to make "prelit-pass textures", which "cannot be created by the tools WS gave us".

That was quite some time ago. I dont think he ever made it, but I do know that if anyone could, he could.
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