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I have recived emails from about 35 people complaining they have renguard but the server keeps kicking them. I'm not sure what is going on, but If renguard is blocking valid people that have renguard installed I rather not have the server running it. so from this point, the UN servers won't be running renguard untill it gets more stablized. p.s. I strongly suspect people are cheating even with the renguard client running somehow.
I suspect you are right. I also suspect that the master servers aren't talking to one another so if the SSC connects to one and a player connects to a different one it kicks the player.
Alk - spoke to a couple of people on ur CTF server once they sorted it kickin ppl off, seems they are banned from Alkaliney, like me for no reason O.o cud b the renguard too, dunno tbh but u checked yesterday n said i wasnt on the ban list too, so may look for a wider reason. + ur forums are down if ya didnt notice (soz if u did )
Give the crew some time and I'm sure they will address most of the 'issues'. Remember this is their first release.
May the cant read!? I payed yesterday on a server running "PureMode" the peeps there dunt had a plan why their were kicked out by the system it was causing by their textures! So be care if its a PureMode server or not!
I'm not running pure mod because I like the c4 kity's urban skin for the recon bike. Anyway, this 1 guy called stfustfu sent me a screenshot of him using BH while the server was running renguard. He was laughing. I swear I wanted to ban him before he sent the screenshot, but to say "he is cheating" while reneguard is active on the server seemed insane.,,, :oops:
its amazing.. those people who suck sill say people are cheating :rolleyes: ive not seen anyone cheating yet only people who claim they can cheat
There are already ways around renguard and people are using them. ALbiet renguard will stop the average n00b, it won't stop the dedicated cheaters.
Even if there is... I'm sure there will be a release to stop it. Either that or Alkaline is shitstirring again as usual.
Trying to connect to server #1...Connected Connected to server. Welcome to RenGuard , RGade04! To launch Renegade, please click 'Renegade'. Unauthorized file game2.exe has been found in your renegade directory Unauthorized file data\always.dbs has been found in your renegade directory Unauthorized file data\always2.dat has been found in your renegade directory Disconnected from RenGuard network I agree, v1.00 is NOT stable. 1 succesfull try out of 30. RenGuard itself crashes or give above message. I'll wait for v1.1 or l8ter
I removed it from my server ATM. I commend the work of the RG team, but my chat channel gets flooded with "YOU NEED RENGUARD". Some people also get kicked when Renguard is working and active. It also kicked everyone off my server last night for not having it even though they all did and the game was full. I'll look into it in later releases. But at this point it's easier just to play with the cheaters.
We are working to fix any and all issues. We knew there would be a bit of roughness from the start, like I said we decided to release RG now and update it as we go rather than delaying it for more months until it was perfect. We appreciate everyones patience and reporting of bugs or problems they are having. We WANT to hear of any problems so we can take care of them. As for people trying to bypass RenGuard. We will block any exploit methods that are revealed, and as a last resort we can globally (RG Network) ban someone who is obviously cheating. Hopefully the fact that any exploit method would involve an elaborate setup and/or only only allow a limited time of cheating, combined with the fact that the RG network is highly monitored and we can and will globally ban anyone found attacking or bypassing the system will greatly reduce the incentive for people to even try to hack RenGuard. So if you really want to cheat, go cheat on some non RG server. I really fail to see the fun in cheating anyhow. Sure its fun for about 2 minutes, but after that...whats the challenge? How can you feel a sense of accomplishment if you KNOW you will win the game? How can you accept a compliment of your "skills" when you know they are fake? This leads me to believe that the #1 goal of most cheaters is just to piss people off and laugh at their misery...to screw up other peoples games and ruin their good time. People like that piss me off, and its people like that RG is meant to stop, and we will do whatever it takes.
still at the bajaserv it was also like that but then the server private messages the player about it and saying they need Renguard and if renguard is active about a day then the players start to understand they gotta download it and at the moment at the Bajaserv there aren't to many players being kicked but it's almost full all times i check so i say let it flood for a wile so ppl understand .
I play on ur CTF server all the time i am having trouble installing but everytime i seem to install it i get kicked out of ur server
Alkaline, would you please eiter post the SS, or pm me a link to it? No, I am not trying to start an argument with you here, just asking a question, nicely
His tripod website is down, he pmed me a link to int on my gsa :/ damn forgot to save... Blazer I think the problem with renguard is the whole Renguard Network: - I much rather have a renguard that deals directly between the server and client, I don't want to be connected to a network. My server should do the checking for cheats and report back to the client app. Connecting to a runguard network has some issues (at least for me): - I don't like the fact that the my server is now dependant on yet another service, errors in that service directly effect player on my servers. - I don't like the fact that the RG team can send out messages to all the servers at wiill, regardless of what the RG team says, you are basically getting acccess to my servers. I saw 2 "hey thanks for using renguard messages" while I don't mind, their is a splinter in the back of my head saying: "look somone else gets to send messages to your servers..." You also have information on who's playing, when they are playing and as far I suspect even the output logs of servers revealing what goes on in the server. Wheter you use this information or not is irelavent, ITS THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS to this information that I have a problem with. -This is yet another step for crimson to control renegade, every time renguard starts up she basically has the attention of everyone. I'm sorry but I'm not giving her that much power. Not to mention you and her are going around parading that if servers don't renguard, they will automatically be full of cheaters. Please, we ban the cheaters just like we did earlier, and atm after the first day, renguard has been compromised and cheaters (dedicated ones) are still cheating. Its almost as if renguad is presents itself as a challenge for hackers, its almost inviting people to hack it. Even if renguard becaomes stable, I don't think I will be running it because of what I have outlined above. Had renguard been structured like this: - Direct Communication between Server and its Clients ONLY, no renguard network. - Server owners MAY choose to connect to the network, but it would not be required. Perhaps then I would consider running it if it had those options above. But as of now, even with the problems fixed, I have no plans on running renguard. Again, its not a matter of cheaters or not, its a matter of control, RG just wansts too much.
DON'T USE RENGUARD THEN!! If you don't like putting your server in the hands of a trustworthy team, then don't post and rant about how you don't like it. Just don't use it. I think Renegade will live without the all holy UN servers being a part of their network.
Seriously, I trust the RenGuard team with any of my software cuz I know they won't do somethin to harm my computer
As you should. I think Energizer here lives up to its name. IT keeps going and going and going and going on and on and on about how much it doesn't like RenGuard.
Ya Alkaline, you should seriously stop saying bad stuff about software that's good, if you wanna talk bad about RenGuard then take it someplace more private, you just get annoying saying things like that in a place like this, not to mention you make yourself look bad :twisted:
Back to the first topic: although we are not running the pure mode, people are kicked frequently. And they have installed Renguard. Even I tried to connect once and was kicked because "I dont have Renguard installed" which is untrue. Server hha2002, Win32 version
Did you change your nick without restarting Renegade? That tends to be the reason that even people that have RenGuard get kicked. *wonders if anyone reads the RenGuard help page* :rolleyes:
da_shiz DON'T USE RENGUARD THEN!! Ummm..... I don't think he is for some strange reason that I will not discuss further with anyone.
i know that...but he makes it seem like he has to use it and he's going against the grain by denying the program.
@Drkpwn3r: thanks, I know of that mistake. No, I did not change the username. Same with my teammates, because we always play with our clan account.
No prob, I like to help in any way I can, I'm tech support for alot of my friends cuz I tend to learn things about programs alot faster than most people.
well you see you guys obviously jump to conclustions. My servers aren't running renguard but I myself (client) am. so every time I'm playing renegade I'm on renguard. :rolleyes:
Run game2.exe. Nobody is forcing you to use it.
I posted my thoughts because this is what I belive to be the best solution. I belive other people will follow my route as well, especially gsa servers. cwayze, there was never an issue of force, renguard was always an option. even you yourself aren't running it :rolleyes: I use the client because of the auto brenbot authentication.
da_shiz i know that...but he makes it seem like he has to use it and he's going against the grain by denying the program. That's better than being a mindless sheep...All your servers are belong to Cramson
ALL Renegade servers need it, undedicated I don't mind, dedicated NEEDS RenGuard, I won't play on ANY server without RenGuard anymore. For me, no RG = no play. As for GSA, I NEVER play on it unless WOL is down for more than 2 days :rolleyes:
You're still a mindless sheep over a BC, you know. One way or the other you can't really deny that you're following someone else in an effort to get away from Crimson.
Quote: cwayze, there was never an issue of force, renguard was always an option. even you yourself aren't running it I'm running it atm..
so putting faith into something/someone is being a mindless sheep? so if we all see a chair and believe that if we sit in it, it won't break...that makes us blind sheep? if we have religious beliefs, does that make us blind sheep? if we have respect for our president/leader, does that make us blind sheep? Just because someone says something against a trusted source, it doesn't all of a sudden make the followers blind sheep.
Scrumfy da_shiz i know that...but he makes it seem like he has to use it and he's going against the grain by denying the program. That's better than being a mindless sheep...All your servers are belong to Cramson Agreed. Which why I propose de-centralization from renguard network, and giving the control back to servers owners.
about the kicking people who have it the thing is its they launched the game before they were fully connected to renguard just go options and select launch automatically once its connected. Thats all it is they clicked the renegade button before it finished the connecting. Oh and yes there was a real easy way around renguard but i told em how i did it and they fixed it in matter of minutes. theres still some that people have made that can get by if u know any of em tell the renguard crew so they can fix it.
lol, I'm sure Crimson is out to control all of our servers.
[sarcasm (yet again)]yeah her kind and helpful character is only a coverup for her true intentions...to control all the servers! EVERYBDOY, RUN FORM TEH REENYGUADR!!11111 IT'S TYRING TO TAEK OVER YUOR SEVRER!!!!!111111111ONEONE!!!!!1 [/sarcasm]
da_shiz so putting faith into something/someone is being a mindless sheep? so if we all see a chair and believe that if we sit in it, it won't break...that makes us blind sheep? if we have religious beliefs, does that make us blind sheep? if we have respect for our president/leader, does that make us blind sheep? Just because someone says something against a trusted source, it doesn't all of a sudden make the followers blind sheep. What makes the source trusted in the first place? As the "self-apponted PR" of RG, Cramson sure seems very trustworthy :rolleyes: ...Anything else to base trust on?
If you don't trust her or her software, don't use it, n00b.
da_shiz [sarcasm (yet again)]yeah her kind and helpful character is only a coverup for her true intentions...to control all the servers! EVERYBDOY, RUN FORM TEH REENYGUADR!!11111 IT'S TYRING TO TAEK OVER YUOR SEVRER!!!!!111111111ONEONE!!!!!1 [/sarcasm] I love how mature this place is, when you can't make a point you resort to making an exaggerated mockery of what I say in "n00bspeak" or whatever the fuck it is.
her dedication to the game, i dunno, that could be one little thing. she's been here since the beginning and has spent her time and energy to host these forums and n00bstories.com. she's spent her own money to help support projects and etc... and she's never let us down.
n00bish behavior deserves n00bish flaming. If you don't like it, go have relations with Alkaline.
Aircraftkiller So don't come back now, ya hear? RenAlert sucks. Now go on one of your egotistical rampages and stay out of the way.
Ok, then make a mod better than Renalert. Angry little fella'
da_shiz n00bish behavior deserves n00bish flaming. If you don't like it, go have relations with Alkaline. Ah yes, the homosexuality comments come next. I can't help but think that you all call people "fags" and other related names because you haven't quite hit puberty and are insecure of your own sexuality...
Quote: Ah yes, the homosexuality comments come next. I can't help but think that you all call people "fags" and other related names because you haven't quite hit puberty and are insecure of your own sexuality... We could all easily say the same about you.
I'm beginning to feel ashamed that Scrumfy lives less than a mile away from me.
Cwazyape Quote: Ah yes, the homosexuality comments come next. I can't help but think that you all call people "fags" and other related names because you haven't quite hit puberty and are insecure of your own sexuality... We could all easily say the same about you. No you couldn't, I don't use deroggatory names when I'm backed into a corner :rolleyes:
Scrumfy Ah yes, the homosexuality comments come next. I can't help but think that you all call people "fags" and other related names because you haven't quite hit puberty and are insecure of your own sexuality... [sarcasm (blame Scrumfy)]I am o so ashamed to be heterosexual! I can't sleep at night because I wish to be homosexual but I just can't seem to like men.[/sarcasm] Sorry...i don't wanna be homosexual, and for my new reason, i'd be associated with you.
Quote: I'm beginning to feel ashamed that Scrumfy lives less than a mile away from me. Is there something in the water?
Umbral_DelaFlare I'm beginning to feel ashamed that Scrumfy lives less than a mile away from me. Aww, poor you. Can't believe you're still a mindless drone here...It's always fun to think of your own opinions...
Yup, it's the water, I'm guessing it's a high amount of lead... or Clorox.
I think scrumfy's mom was a little too willing to drink the water when she was pregnant.
da_shiz I think scrumfy's mom was a little too willing to drink the water when she was pregnant. Nice. You're 3 for 3 with the immature comments now...Hopefully you'll grow up one day
I think it's the cities. I live in Tamarac, he lives in Coral Springs. It's not the water. I'm perfectly sane...
C'mon kids. Lets grow up here. You're all sharing your lack thereof of maturity. These petty arguments don't get patches out and don't inform the rengaurd team of bugs.
Umbral_DelaFlare I think it's the cities. I live in Tamarac, he lives in Coral Springs. What, living with old people is better than living here? :rolleyes:
but it does relieve the stress of trying to figure out your problems with RG.
Common Java, you must admit, it's at least a little entertaining.
Javaxcx C'mon kids. Lets grow up here. You're all sharing your lack thereof of maturity. These petty arguments don't get patches out and don't inform the rengaurd team of bugs. Shh...The children are too stupid to realize that they've been purposely riled up...
Scrumfy. you seem to be the only angry one here.
Quiet grandpa, you're wakin the rest of the rest home up.
Cwazyape Scrumfy. you seem to be the only angry one here. Not in the least. It's actually quite amusing to step back and look at it in perspective. I can't believe you all played into RenGuard...It's just an excuse for Cramson to validate her pathetic life by controlling an almost-extinct game.
OK, since RenGuard's launch, I have not sent a single global message. And the message on RenGuard when you launch is this: --- Welcome to RenGuard, Blackhand Studios' anti-cheat software for Renegade! Thanks for downloading RenGuard and supporting the community! We hope you enjoy many more years of cheat-free Renegade play! Please visit RenGuard.com for any issues or questions. --- I fail to see where this is a method of me controlling you. And let's also note that with over 2500 installs NOT ONE person has found anything untrustworthy about it. No trojans, nothing. We have done nothing to lose your trust. The ability to send global messages on the RenGuard network is not a privilege that we will use often. During this initial launch, we have sent a few reminders for where to get help. We will also use the tool to announce upgrades. You'll be proven wrong as time goes on.
Crimson OK, since RenGuard's launch, I have not sent a single global message. And the message on RenGuard when you launch is this: --- Welcome to RenGuard, Blackhand Studios' anti-cheat software for Renegade! Thanks for downloading RenGuard and supporting the community! We hope you enjoy many more years of cheat-free Renegade play! Please visit RenGuard.com for any issues or questions. --- I fail to see where this is a method of me controlling you. And let's also note that with over 2500 installs NOT ONE person has found anything untrustworthy about it. No trojans, nothing. We have done nothing to lose your trust. The ability to send global messages on the RenGuard network is not a privilege that we will use often. During this initial launch, we have sent a few reminders for where to get help. We will also use the tool to announce upgrades. You'll be proven wrong as time goes on. You've also done nothing to gain trust. The fact that you released unfinished software which can be easily bypassed, in my opinion, is untrustworthy.
Cwazyape Please, enlighten us, bypass Renguard. If I were to list how, this would, understandably, be moved to The Silo.
Then PM Crimson or one of the "trusted" developers with the info.
then PM Cwazyape and me too with your way to bypass it then. better yet, email me or IM me on an instant messager.
Cwazyape Then PM Crimson or one of the "trusted" developers with the info. Too bad I don't trust them. :rolleyes:
Were you beaten as a child? You seem to have an issue with trusting people.
Cwazyape Were you beaten as a child? You seem to have an issue with trusting people. Nope, I had quite a happy childhood. I trust plenty of people, Cramson doesn't happen to be one. I know you can't understand this, because it must be impossible over there for someone to not trust the head honcho. God forbid someone doesn't trust your master... :rolleyes:
Crimson's brainwashing power......taking.....free.....will..... MUST OBEY CRIMSON. MUST OBEY.
Scrumfy Nope, I had quite a happy childhood. I trust plenty of people, Cramson doesn't happen to be one. Erm...Crimson is someone EVERYONE should be able to trust, I know I do. I mean god, why not trust someone who is very much trustworthy? Crimson deserves more respect than you're giving her Alkaline, just about everyone here does, I do, why not be more respectful to those who are more widely respected than you? :twisted:
If we didn't trust her, there wouldn't be over 2000 members. If we didn't trust her, she wouldn't be hosting the official renegade forums. it's not a dictatorship and she doesn't force us to follow her. we choose to do so.
It's not really a matter of trust with Scrumfy. He dislikes me and consequently distrusts me. He is an isolated incident. I have never demanded or expected trust or respect but I appreciate when it's given, and to that end, I really appreciate those of you who do trust me and the RenGuard team (remember that mac leads that team, I'm just the web developer). And yes, if someone posts how to get around RenGuard, we move it to a private forum for exploration. Anyone who gives a damn about Renegade would tell us if they got around it. We have only confirmed a couple exploits and most of them have been resolved on the server side without having to change the client, but you can expect another client upgrade within the next couple of days. It is my professional opinion that if you get around Renguard and don't tell us privately about it, that you have a desire to see Renegade die and probably like to cheat. Interestingly enough, Scrumfy created a couple of the cheats the RenGuard was designed to block.
How sad, we have someone who designs cheats complaining, now I see why he hates the RG team...perhaps he should just shut up about anything involving RG now, including the team
Erm...Drkpwn3er is someone EVERYONE should be able to trust, I know I do. I mean god, why not trust someone who is very much trustworthy? Drkpwn3r deserves more respect than you're giving Alkaline, just about everyone here does, I do, why not be more respectful to those who are more widely respected than you? :twisted:
omg dub, you're crazy (to an extent & in a good way)
pwn3r ur crazy u have helped me with renguard,NR, and been a good frend. sure u ignor me sometimes and piss me of because u are ignoring me over 90% of the time u still are a good frend
Crimson It's not really a matter of trust with Scrumfy. He dislikes me and consequently distrusts me. He is an isolated incident. I have never demanded or expected trust or respect but I appreciate when it's given, and to that end, I really appreciate those of you who do trust me and the RenGuard team (remember that mac leads that team, I'm just the web developer). And yes, if someone posts how to get around RenGuard, we move it to a private forum for exploration. Anyone who gives a damn about Renegade would tell us if they got around it. We have only confirmed a couple exploits and most of them have been resolved on the server side without having to change the client, but you can expect another client upgrade within the next couple of days. It is my professional opinion that if you get around Renguard and don't tell us privately about it, that you have a desire to see Renegade die and probably like to cheat. Interestingly enough, Scrumfy created a couple of the cheats the RenGuard was designed to block. Now you're just as bad as Ty. He put your names on cheats you (probably) didn't create, and now you're affording me the same misrepresentation. I showed Blazer the cheats, back when I liked your network. And you, of course, had to be involved...Again proudly displaying your controlling nature. I thought you had learned to not speak of things which you know nothing about...Apparently not. EDIT: Let's not forget about the bighead models you DCC'd to me, and let's try to tell the truth. We were all testing cheats, not using them to ruin people's games. Except for you "testing" them in public servers.
lol... yes teach them out to cheat scrumfy. scrumfy has all valid points if you had half a brain you would see renguard just gives her a key to control all servers. :
Alkaline lol... yes teach them out to cheat scrumfy. scrumfy has all valid points if you had half a brain you would see renguard just gives her a key to control all servers. : Please explain how she can do this and I'll gladly uninstall Renguard.
Alkaline lol... yes teach them out to cheat scrumfy. scrumfy has all valid points if you had half a brain you would see renguard just gives her a key to control all servers. : I never thought I'd be agreeing with you...But hey, whatever.
So don't use it? We'll gladly play without you... Not like it was that hard to begin with.
Wow, are you two insane? 2000+ people can't be wrong, Crimson is trustworthy and so is her network. If you don't like it, LEAVE!
da_shiz Wow, are you two insane? 2000+ people can't be wrong, Crimson is trustworthy and so is her network. If you don't like it, LEAVE! That right there is the sheep mentality I spoke of earlier. "Well hey, lots of people do it, it MUST be right!" Glad to see you bend to peer pressure. Baa.
Yes, please do, see if we actually miss you, or notice that you're even gone.
I didn't say because 2000 people say so it makes it right. Im saying that 90+% of the community trusts her, they can't all be stupid, so she must not be controlling. i sure as hell don't like to be controlled and I wouldn't put up with it.
Quote: Go away, boy, you bother me. - W.C. Fields
da_shiz I didn't say because 2000 people say so it makes it right. Im saying that 90+% of the community trusts her, they can't all be stupid, so she must not be controlling. i sure as hell don't like to be controlled and I wouldn't put up with it. Ditto.
da_shiz I didn't say because 2000 people say so it makes it right. Im saying that 90+% of the community trusts her, they can't all be stupid, so she must not be controlling. i sure as hell don't like to be controlled and I wouldn't put up with it. Too bad you don't even realize it...And most of the people I've seen around here are actually morons. Most happen to display the same immature qualities as yourself.
Scrumfy, just leave, then again, you just love all this negative attention, don't you? How childish of you :twisted: