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Not even back for a solid month and everyone (at least on the politics forum) deslikes you. Jesus man! It shouldn't have taken more than a week! Slacker.
He he he you are a Neo n00b
Stop spamming with teh face
your face looks ghey
Attack of the faces! [/img]
AHAHAH STOP IT FAT PEOPLE EVERY WERE AHAHAAHHAHAHAHAH STOP THE HORROR AAHAH
Xtrm2Matt Isn't it dislikes? Not if you've been here a while, it isn't.
Javaxcx Xtrm2Matt Isn't it dislikes? Not if you've been here a while, it isn't. BIG JAKASS!!!1111 http://www.renegadeforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=325&start=0
can I have some of what you seem to be smoking you canadian slacker
But seriously, I ask a question ....actually came across a site on 'shrub' while looking for Kerry's military record (I was curious as to where John Kerry served, how long, etc) and found out from a site at least what appeared to be an interesting tidbit of information. That our 'Shrub' may not have completed his Term of service in the military. And all I got in return was "what about Kerry?" and at least one attack on me. I made an obvservation and not ONE post was about what I said only posts attacking Clinton and Kerry (for the record I did not vote for Clinton either time). It seems that intelligent discourse on certain issues won't happen on that forum but I will still try to ask questions just see the responses.
Javaxcx Xtrm2Matt Isn't it dislikes? Not if you've been here a while, it isn't. Meh that's old and gh3y.
hareman But seriously, I ask a question ....actually came across a site on 'shrub' while looking for Kerry's military record (I was curious as to where John Kerry served, how long, etc) and found out from a site at least what appeared to be an interesting tidbit of information. That our 'Shrub' may not have completed his Term of service in the military. And all I got in return was "what about Kerry?" and at least one attack on me. I made an obvservation and not ONE post was about what I said only posts attacking Clinton and Kerry (for the record I did not vote for Clinton either time). It seems that intelligent discourse on certain issues won't happen on that forum but I will still try to ask questions just see the responses. I will take a God-fearing man motivated to action by the murder of 3000 of his countrymen over a politically maneuvering weasel anyday. This is the kind of man the world needs. Not a weakling, but a man motivated by the passion of seeing right is done. No matter what the cost. I would have been proud to serve this President. I had the dubious honor of serving Clinton. :rolleyes: This man has vision, purpose, guts, and a long memory. Someone had to take this looming problem head on. It isn't that terrorism reacted to an unfair attack. We forced thier hand before they were ready to more damage than they did. As an American I expect a government that will protect my children, and bring the fight to the scum that are destroying what is left of a great country, and the world. I expect a leader with the guts to go it alone when the weak, corrupt, and pathetic are immobilized with fear. I am a veteran, and I do not approve of weaseling out of military service. But he sure as hell has made up for it by killing the enemies of The United States of America. I did complete my service. I wouldn't take his job or responsibility for anything in the world. It takes a special, strong man to do that, and hold the line.
So it is ok for him 'to weasel out' (your words not mine) when many of america's children died because they didn't have a daddy or connectiosn who could get them out of it? How is this different from Clinton going to Oxford to get out of his term? How was Clinton's use of drugs different from Bushes? You can't condemn someone for their actions when the person you are putting on a pedestal is no different. You guys really need to see th shambles that the State of Texas is in right now. Schools are closing because fo the Deficit that "shrub' left behind, social services are at an all time low. There is not enough money to put the required number of Firefighters on Trucks in Houston. Massive public works that were enacted when 'shrub' was here put money into the hands of his politicval contributors (can you say Halliburton, Enron, Dynegy, Exxon-Mobile .... man the list could go on). Tell me why the legislation that he enacted in this state for school reform meant that teachers would be teaching the students on how to take the ... tasp, tax, tass instead of teaching teh kids. They teach them for half the year on these damn things. Most of the kids in my daughter's school have trouble and are not learning the basic stuff they need. Today's teachers evaluations are about how many of their kids pass those damned tests and not how effectively they get across basic skills. But wait you guys couldn't about that. You only care if someone else is dying for your principles ... like the Spanish? Oh. thats right fuck them they don't want to have anything to do with 'Shrub's' campaign on terror. they only want to have peace and be left alone. But all that is ok if you get elected President.
hareman But wait you guys couldn't about that. You only care if someone else is dying for your principles ... like the Spanish? Oh. thats right fuck them they don't want to have anything to do with 'Shrub's' campaign on terror. they only want to have peace and be left alone. But all that is ok if you get elected President. I put my own life on the line to defend those principles in the very same arenas. Don't lecture me on others doing it for me. I did it for them, they can do it for me. The Spanish will suffer just as every other country will. Russia, Bosnia, France, Britain, etc, etc, etc... They will all suffer for thier hold to Western principles of freedom. Freedom has a price. The Spanish decision to bail on the war on terror is weakness in it's most pathetic form. What if American soldiers had given up and said "we just want to live in peace and be left alone." in WW2? Stand up for what is right, and good. Sacrifice for the greater good, and screw your self interest. Also, the man Bush was is CLEARLY not the man he is now. He is a man tested by the fire of the reality of a world at war. This election is not about 40 year old screwups. It's about finishing what we've started. Bush is the man for the job. School systems EVERYWHERE are screwed. Not just Texas. And corporate interests will always take advantage of public. It is not his fault greed pervades a capitalist society. Clinton was, and is still a weasel. How many times has GW disgraced the oval office with interns, and cigars? How many times has he cheated on his wife? How often has he faced inquiry and possible impeachment? He believes in being accountable to God for what he does here as leader of a country BASED on Christian principles. See, that's the difference and I think Democrats would do well not to compare a tail hunting, turncoat with a man who has such high standards.
Majiin Vegeta your face looks ghey
Don't worry Demo, people didn't like you right off the bat. So you win.
Oh common, If you're gonna spam, at least do it with a little class..
"Class" is not in Demolition Man's vocabulary, nor comprehesion. Anyway, back on topic, Hareman is a bleedin' heart lefty liberal.
OMFG Demo posted and to Kirby dude taht is weak falling on Country and God So snorting cocaine is ok? Giving government contracts to political contributiors is ok. Making war is ok? Correct me if I am wrong here but did n;t Jesus say something about love thy neighbor: I do not really recall a passage about smart bombs. OK on to finishing the war on terror. Terrorism is at an all time high for gthe year as far as incidents goes it is estimated taht recruits have increased to the various active organizartions some 300 % over a year ago. I got news for you Kirby we are in it for a long time coming. Comparing the war on terror to Nazism and WWII is sort of week. that would be like saying the government new about Pearl Harbor and withheld that info ... OOPs they did. Raveshaw said something in one of those old flame wars that struck me as particularly insightfull but as usual he was flamed down. Just who appointed the US the police force for teh world? You know until we amde war on a nother counrty without provocation we hheld the moral high road. Now the truth comes out we relied on itnel from people who had axes to grind and from people who no direct knowledge of WMD or a direct link from Iraq to Al Quaida SO we finace the war with Iran the Iraquis had, You do remember that right? So we created some of the very problems your boy is sovling and who did that a repooplican adn not content with that Ronny played both ends against the middle by suppying I-Hawk to the Irans and money. And for the record you donlt seem to remeber me slamming on Clinton too. 'Shrub' left Texas in a shambles the US economy is in peril, jobs being sent over seas, reneging on treaty accords to benfit big business the creation of an all powerfull 'Big Brother' What is going to take before you wake up and realize " where did the country I love go to?" and MRBoB STFU I make my own decisions based on what I understand and what I nkow to be right so go fuck yourself and trifle the adults no more Oh and one more thing a duly elected official of a foriegh government did what he percieved was the right thing in pulling his troops out of Iraq. YOu would do well to remeber that is democracy in action
uhh...i'm not gonna discuss politics, but yeah, making war is ok. God did, afterall, lead the Jews into the promissed land by having a war with Caanan, and how about Jerhico (no violence, but still a "war") and there are plenty of other instances where there are wars. Maybe you've heard of this war, the Apocalypse. The Apocalypse is a war that's gonna be fought by Jesus and his army against the world's army. So although he said love thy neighbor, he's also going to be the one to destroy the world's army in a war.
you'd be surprised. i know a lot about theology. what did i say that isn't correct?
hareman OMFG Demo posted and to Kirby dude taht is weak falling on Country and God So snorting cocaine is ok? Giving government contracts to political contributiors is ok. Making war is ok? Correct me if I am wrong here but did n;t Jesus say something about love thy neighbor: I do not really recall a passage about smart bombs. OK on to finishing the war on terror. Terrorism is at an all time high for gthe year as far as incidents goes it is estimated taht recruits have increased to the various active organizartions some 300 % over a year ago. I got news for you Kirby we are in it for a long time coming. Comparing the war on terror to Nazism and WWII is sort of week. that would be like saying the government new about Pearl Harbor and withheld that info ... OOPs they did. Raveshaw said something in one of those old flame wars that struck me as particularly insightfull but as usual he was flamed down. Just who appointed the US the police force for teh world? You know until we amde war on a nother counrty without provocation we hheld the moral high road. Now the truth comes out we relied on itnel from people who had axes to grind and from people who no direct knowledge of WMD or a direct link from Iraq to Al Quaida SO we finace the war with Iran the Iraquis had, You do remember that right? So we created some of the very problems your boy is sovling and who did that a repooplican adn not content with that Ronny played both ends against the middle by suppying I-Hawk to the Irans and money. And for the record you donlt seem to remeber me slamming on Clinton too. 'Shrub' left Texas in a shambles the US economy is in peril, jobs being sent over seas, reneging on treaty accords to benfit big business the creation of an all powerfull 'Big Brother' What is going to take before you wake up and realize " where did the country I love go to?" Oh and one more thing a duly elected official of a foriegh government did what he percieved was the right thing in pulling his troops out of Iraq. YOu would do well to remeber that is democracy in action I fail to see how serving God and Country is weak. I guess that if you no longer believe in either, it would be. I still believe in both. You make several points based on what we have done in the past. Undoubtedly, our goverment is not innocent, and has indeed created some it's own mess. So what do you recommend? Being held hostage to the whims of the U.N.? That worked out really well for weapons inspections, didn't it? Maybee we should have listened to Russia, France and Germany? Oh wait, they were supplying arms to the IRAQUIs too. Just like we did in the Iran-Iraq war. The way I see it, we cleaned up the mess we created installing Saddaam. We cleaned up the unfinished work of the first Gulf war, and we prevented the potential transfer of chem / bio technology enmasse to terrorists from Iraquis that could no longer field massive WMD programs, but hated the U.S.. Afghanistan was another cleanup from our support of the mujaheddin against the Soviets in the seventies. The Taliban were a direct result of Cold war politics, and CIA covert Ops gone wrong. Are we in this for the long run? You bet. Should we take a lead role? You bet. Should we expect our allies to back us up? You bet. Democratic governments can be weak and pacifistic too. Spain's lack of a backbone, and unwillingness to defend the principles of freedom will have ramifications for years to come for them from the very people they are trying to pacify. Al Quiada doesn't care who is nice to them. Thier war is against the West. And quoting Raveshaw will not make any points. He was / is a loony treehugger with no concept of reality, and real world relations. I never thought I would see the day YOU would be agreeing with, and defending his wild, and baseless arguments. The U.S. is the police force of the world because we are the last Superpower, and many organizations, and treaties are solely held together by the immensity of restrained U.S. firepower. And no, Jesus does not advocate killing. I won't even touch that one. I was making reference to his moral charachter at home, and his acknowledgement of God publicly. His personal moral fibre was the issue at hand. As far as Cocaine use: How many dumb things have you done in your life that you no longer do now? Does smoking Pot when you were a teenager mean you are currently a Pot head? I think not. Who these candidates are NOW, is what is at issue. How can they deal with what's going on NOW? As I have said before, 40 year old screwups hardly dictate moral charachter now. If they did, I would probably not be married right now........ You clearly have your mind set. That is just fine, and you are welcome to it. I just find it odd for someone in your critical position, at such a critical time in U.S. history to have such a left leaning mindset. Particularly after what I have observed over the last two years of posts and flame wars against the very people you are quoting now. Very odd indeed. We are agreed to disagree on this I am afraid.
LMAO so I lean to left because I do not follow blindly? I am in the middle of teh road I make my own deicsions based upon what I see.
hareman LMAO so I lean to left because I do not follow blindly? I am in the middle of teh road I make my own deicsions based upon what I see. No, you lean to the left because you criticize blindly. How many critical remarks of the left have you made? 0
OK, i made it sound wrong. God does not promote war, but fighting a just war is not sinning. He doesn't want his children to die, but for the righetous to be victorious in the fight against tempation and sin. Let's make this a little bit of a smaller picture, shall we. Say you're being attacked by someone, so your response is defense. Your defense might just be violence. Now that doesn't mean that God is promoting violence, but you are simply protecting your "temple." You are instructed to keep your body, your temple, healthy and etc... Same as in the war, we are protecting each other, so you could say that we're protecting everyone's "temple." We were attacked, so we are defending ourselves from future attacks. If that's so, why don't we just attack the terrorist groups who are attacking us instead of political leaders? Easy, It's like a drug ring, if you take out the dealers, the drug lords are just going to hire more. Instead of having to arrest dealer after dealer, which will make no progress in your fight against drugs, you go straight for the drug lords themselves. You attack the ones who are fueling everything along with the dealers as well.
da_shiz OK, i made it sound wrong. God does not promote war, but fighting a just war is not sinning. He doesn't want his children to die, but for the righetous to be victorious in the fight against tempation and sin. Let's make this a little bit of a smaller picture, shall we. Say you're being attacked by someone, so your response is defense. Your defense might just be violence. Now that doesn't mean that God is promoting violence, but you are simply protecting your "temple." You are instructed to keep your body, your temple, healthy and etc... Same as in the war, we are protecting each other, so you could say that we're protecting everyone's "temple." We were attacked, so we are defending ourselves from future attacks. If that's so, why don't we just attack the terrorist groups who are attacking us instead of political leaders? Easy, It's like a drug ring, if you take out the dealers, the drug lords are just going to hire more. Instead of having to arrest dealer after dealer, which will make no progress in your fight against drugs, you go straight for the drug lords themselves. You attack the ones who are fueling everything along with the dealers as well. This is rationalization. Thou shalt not kill.
But in defense, if it is a necessary force, it's not a sin. Thou Shalt Not Steal, but yet intelligence steals secrets and other info from other countries.
da_shiz But in defense, if it is a necessary force, it's not a sin. Thou Shalt Not Steal, but yet intelligence steals secrets and other info from other countries. Does that make it right just because it happens all the time? I don't know why God directed the Isrealites to destroy on occasion. But in each case he directed them to do it for whatever his reason was. That does not mean there's a get out of jail free card to start wars. The crusaders got this wrong too. God's laws are immutable. Only he can bypass them. After all, he created them.
I didn't mean anything to sound like, "OMG...he hit me! WAR!!!!!!" It's to be used as a last defense. The Iraqi war was to get rid of someone who was supplying money to fuel a terrorist group which threatens not just the US, but the whole world. I'm not saying that it was completely just, I'm just saying that it's not a sin to do what's right. The wars that God led Isreal into, were because they were disobedient once they were in the promised land. God let Isreal fight so they could live in peace.
Your memory is sort of selective there Kirby; (lol) based on did I criticise the 'left'. By that comment do you mean democrats? hmmmm how many times did I crush on Clinton? Oh well. AS far as the bible goes Jesus said the old laws and ways are done God says love thy neighbor
we're talking about that in Bible class right now, it says love thy neighbor, it doesn't say you have to enjoy or put up with thier presence. don't really know what that has to do with war, but i thought i'd throw that in there. One word: Apocalypse.
And then of course you have all the verses in there about "an eye for an eye" and stuff like that, which implies that defending yourself isn't all out of line. Hareman, if George W. Bush didn't complete his service in the Air National Guard, then why was he honorably discharged?
A DD214 is your seperation paper according to various websites (there is another thread on that and I am sort of skeptical on that issue) No one has produced one no FOIA request has located one either. I am not saying a I disbelieve or believe it at this point but it I think it raises serious questions about 'Shrub'. Some of these questions are similar to those raised on Clinton's going to Oxford to evade the draft.
But why was it OK for Clitorus to avoid the draft outright, yet one document from Bush's MILITARY past is missing is an issue? I am not saying that you thought it was OK for Clitorus, but the Dems sure as hell did. But then again the Dems think they are above the law. What other political party can have a murder hold a seat in the senate? (Teddy Kennedy - Gets drunk - Drives car under the influence - Goes off bridge - Kills the mistress he was with - Walks away scott free)
<sigh> OK pete you asked for this (bear in mind I support neither party and am an independant taht means I vote for whoever will do the best job not their party affiliation) .... clears throat .... hmmmmm WATERGATE the largest consporacy involving the Presidency Roll Call Richard Milhouse Nixon (accused of ordeing the whole dirty tricks campaign and the resulting coverup and a man I admire deeply for his foreign policy) resigned and was pardoned before he could tried and convicted. An action I agree with to this day it saved the office of the presidancy until later senile chimp loving bozos and men who can't keep it their pants would undermine the position. John Mitchell the fucking attorney general He stood trial in 1974 and was convicted on charges of conspiracy, perjury and obstruction of justice. He served 19 months in a minimum-security prison in Alabama before being released on parole for medical reasons. John Dean John Dean White House fucking counsel was charged with obstruction of justice and spent four months in prison for his role in the Watergate cover-up. John Ehrlichman President Nixon's assistant for domestic affairs, John D. Ehrlichman, directed the White House "plumbers" unit. He also approved the break-in at the office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, the defense analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers to the press. Ehrlichman resigned from his White House post in 1973; he was convicted of conspiracy to obstruct justice and perjury in the Watergate case and of conspiracy in the Ellsberg case. Ehrlichman served 18 months in prison after unsuccessfully trying to negotiate a sentence under which he would provide legal service to Native Americans. H.R. "Bob" Haldeman, Nixon's chief of staff, spent 18 months in prison for his role in Watergate. A former advertising executive, Haldeman had a stern reputation as Nixon's gatekeeper and once called himself "the president's son-of-a-bitch." The chief of staff was part of the conversation on the so-called "smoking gun" tape, in which Nixon discussed using the CIA to divert the FBI's Watergate probe. Haldeman resigned in April 1973 and was convicted of conspiracy and obstruction of justice the following year. Jeb Magruder Nixon's deputy campaign director, Jeb Stuart Magruder was charged with perjury and conspiracy to obstruct justice for his role in the Watergate cover-up. He spent seven months in prison Charles Colson Known within the Nixon administration as the "evil genius," special counsel Charles W. Colson served seven months in prison in 1974 after pleading guilty to obstruction of justice in the Watergate-related Daniel Ellsberg case. Colson's more notorious ideas, according to some reports, included spreading false information about Ellsberg and firebombing the Brookings Institution. He was also indicted for his role in the Watergate cover-up. And my HERO (all sarcasm aside I deeply respect this man for his views and his determination) G. Gordon Liddy was convicted for his role in the Watergate break-in, for conspiracy in the Daniel Ellsberg case and for contempt of court, spending about four and a half years in prison. In 1986, a federal appeals court found Liddy liable for $20,499 in back taxes on Watergate slush-fund money, rejecting his claim that his benefits did not exceed $45,000. As one of the White House "plumbers," Liddy spent about $300,000 engineering political dirty tricks and the Watergate break-in. SO don;t get overighteous with me and the republican party. Both have enough shame in their and present to warrant an entirely new system of government.
I never said the Republican party was clean. I am saying the the Dems have a habbit of pulling crap like this whole DD214. They defend Clinton on his draft evasion, pot smoking and getting a hummer in the oral err umm the Oval Office yet they attack Bush on his addiction to booze and drugs and his DD214. Remember "Whitewater Gate"? How many whitness died or sudenly couldn't remember details. How many documents did the former First Lady refuse to surender to the investigating commitee? Who made a joke about the word "Is" and was defended by his party for it? Or How many drugs were JFK addicted to, how many women other than his wife did he fuck, how many people died mysterously because of ANY Kennedy? I remember Watergate, but is also common knowldge that EVERY President... Past... Present... and Future have and will do the same thing as Nixon. Nixon was the only one to get caught. Other than Watergate and the Iran-Contra Affair what do you have? :rolleyes: But like I said before I am having a hard time finding a Vietnam Veteran in my VFW post that supports or trusts Kerry. They don't like the fact he is using his veteran status to get votes but in reality he didn't support those that fought in Vietnam. Remember the majority of those that went to Vietnam were NOT drafted. The see him as a "Snake". <--- That referance has been made by many of the Vets in my post. At least George Bush has been loyal to his troops. If you don't see that, then I am sorry my friend you are blinded by hatred. Also who do you think takes a stronger stance on terrorism? There were more attacks on US interest under Clinto than Bush. Bush was just unlucky to get the largest.
What the issue is , is not partisan party politics though. It's integrity. Bush has guts, vision, and follow through despite a very difficult, and uphill battle. Rather than the pacification of prior offices both Republican and Democrat, we see a man who is tired of America being attacked, and is bringing the fight to the scumbags at thier own doorstep. Yes, it has raised anger, recruitment, and fueled terrorism, but if they are on the run in fear of thier life, they cannot mount effective attacks like they have. The time is now to confront this global war that no one wanted, but everyone now has. Crush them now, before they kill our children. Whatever the costs.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114922,00.html A good comparison of the offices, and thier reactions to terrorism. Clearly the Bush administration has been far more proactive in the home defense arena.
Ok ladies, you're getting a bit off topic here: Hareman! Stop hijacking my threads!
LMAO eATMe Java When I get back from Quantico its UT2k4 and FUD 0WNAGE time so you better have the full version
John I think I'm either going to find you a poster or make you one that says "This thread has been hijacked!" As a matter of fact I have the perfect idea for one. [/EDIT]
Beat ya to it!
hareman When I get back from Quantico its UT2k4 and FUD 0WNAGE time so you better have the full version I'm twenty or so miles south of Quantico, ever hear of Fredericksburg?
Yep I have stayed there in my travels. Was there during the DC snipage event for a day.
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