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So what? The KKK is composed of people too, man.
Aircraftkiller So what? The KKK is composed of people too, man. If highly racist, twisted, warped, disturbing people, yes.
as long as they clean the road, who cares? if they don't clean the road then they should lose their spot.
I don't really care, I just find it to be amusing. The kkk does not come off to me as a loving group that would try to give back to the community.
The history of the KKK from it's earliest origins to it's modern form is an interesting one, and a gold mine for conspiracy theories. It's just sad that it's also a clasic example of how mind numbingly stupid people can be when they replace proof with belief and will bend anything to fit their dogma. Regardles of it's original meaning. Who here is really Caucasian? I'm willing to bet that infact it's none of you. Anyone know why? The clue is one of the characters in Red Alert is definately Caucasian. As for the true meaning of aryan, do these people even know how to read? I mean ffs, Iran and India have a more valid claim on being decended from an Aryan nation than some dumbass redneck good ol boy.
Good Lord people! Yano just wanted to make a humorous statement. No technical clairification required.
DragonFg Good Lord people! Yano just wanted to make a humorous statement. No technical clairification required. Yep. I find it quite funny and amusing. I'm going to make a joke out of it to say on stage.
Aircraftkiller So what? The KKK is composed of people too, man. Then you shouldn't be hating homosexuals. [Gays are people too.]
Don't put words in my mouth, Assprime. I've never said that I hate them. Being gay is wrong and I don't like it. That simple enough for you to understand?
No it's not. I don't want to get into a big thing here, but it's not. If you disagree with me, you're wrong.
You disagree with me first. You're wrong.
'fraid not /me gets in slap-fight with ACK.
I don't care whether or not someone is gay, that is their personal sexual preference. . . As long as they stay away from me EDIT: Made the small text a little bigger . . .
No being gay is wrong. In case you don't remember God destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gamora (I probably spelled them wrong). First of all it's just plain wrong from the sexual perspective of it. It's just not the way it's meant to be. It's not right and it's not okay. People are taking the idea of acceptance way too far these days. It's okay to accept a gay person because, yes, they are people too. But that doesn't mean we should accept the way they live. It's none of my business how they live their life, they just better stay the hell away from me.
spreegem I don't care whether or not someone is gay, that is their personal sexual preference. . . As long as they stay away from me God made men. God made women. If god wanted us to have sex with the same race then either one or the other would not have been made. The goal of life and survival is to make babies, you need a man and a woman to make babies. Therefor, they arent doing their part in the world. Waste of a spot if you ask me. But, if your both a man lover and a woman lover, then its not AS BAD, but still bad IMO.
Crimmy please lock this. Jeez people, just like DragonFg said it was just something to look at and laugh.
DBB God made men. God made women. If god wanted us to have sex with the same race then either one or the other would not have been made. Did you mean same sex?
If God actually destoried the cities of Sodom and Gamora, why are there still homosexuals in the world? You're basing your morality off some words in an old book. Most of those words are good, but some are questionable. If we're taught to be accepting, why are you excluding homosexuals? Hypocrisy isn't a virtue.
Hypocrisy is human nature. The torment of living and the pain of death. Get the point?
Javaxcx If God actually destoried the cities of Sodom and Gamora, why are there still homosexuals in the world? You're basing your morality off some words in an old book. Most of those words are good, but some are questionable. If we're taught to be accepting, why are you excluding homosexuals? Hypocrisy isn't a virtue. I guess I'll explain it again. Homosexuality is not right and not moral. And in what way am I excuding homosexuals? I said they are people and I have no problem with them as long as don't don't try to come on to me or something. And exactly what words in the Bible are questionable? I'm not claiming to know the book through and through because I don't, in fact I know very little. And yes, I'll base my morality off on it any day. Christianity is all about faith. It's easy t call me a hipocrit and I suppose because I claim to know right and wrong, yet I'm human and thus sinful. Sorry if I offend anybody in any way becuase I don't intend to. But I'm going to stand up for what I believe in.
DragonFg And exactly what words in the Bible are questionable? I think you misunderstood what I meant. I meant that some of the so-called "morals" of the Bible are questionable. God sending plagues on Egypt to literally kill other humans, God smiting Sodom and Gamora. Thats just two example of a vengeful God. There is a difference between slapping someone on the wrist and breaking their neck. I can't answer all the questions, but I can say that if God wanted to be believed by all through and through, He wouldn't go around killing the people He claims to love.
Does anyone even realize that they don't choose to be gay, they're born with it. Some of you people are so anti-gay that you wonder why many gay people don't make it past high school.
here are some more questions: 1. if god didnt have a wife, how did he have a son? 2. since he had a son, why didnt he have more kids? 3. why do we have origianal sin if we did not do it? (sorry to all the people who may be offeded as they are different religion etc.)
Imdgr8one Does anyone even realize that they don't choose to be gay, they're born with it. Some of you people are so anti-gay that you wonder why many gay people don't make it past high school. I'm sure you came to that conclusion with your many degrees in psychology and biology...
DBB spreegem I don't care whether or not someone is gay, that is their personal sexual preference. . . As long as they stay away from me God made men. God made women. If god wanted us to have sex with the same race then either one or the other would not have been made. The goal of life and survival is to make babies, you need a man and a woman to make babies. Therefor, they arent doing their part in the world. Waste of a spot if you ask me. But, if your both a man lover and a woman lover, then its not AS BAD, but still bad IMO. You meant same sex, not same race because no matter what if your male or female you are of the human race. I never said that being gay is right, or wrong, I just don't care whether or not someone is gay as long as they stay away from me, as says in the small text in my own quote. I do not think that being gay is proper though because we are meant to, like you said, create children. I don't really care whether or not someone is gay though because that is your sexual preference and as long as it isn't contageous I have no problem with you, unless of course you try and do something to me. All of you "anti-gays" are fine in expressing your feelings on people being gay, but there is no stopping it people just are that way. I heard in health class when we were studying sexually transmitte diseases that mainly gays have HIV and AIDS, is this true? because if so and people know that why would they want to be gay? I would think that if that was true and people knew it there would be a dramatic decline in gays and all of you anti-gays would not be able to complain as much because the ammount of gays in society would be much less than it currently is, and gayness would be much less common, maybe even unheard of in some places. I am not gay, nor am I fighting for their cause, I am just stating what I feel on the issue of gays.
mrpirate No it's not. I don't want to get into a big thing here, but it's not. If you disagree with me, you're wrong. He's right...
It is NOT OK to hate gay people. Normally, I have no problem with peoples' opinions for or against something. However, people have been known to kill gay people because they think it's "wrong." This is just another scenario in which I find religious people to be very creepy.
rm5248 here are some more questions: 1. if god didnt have a wife, how did he have a son? 2. since he had a son, why didnt he have more kids? 3. why do we have origianal sin if we did not do it? (sorry to all the people who may be offeded as they are different religion etc.) You idiot, have you ever even read the bible?
mrpirate It is NOT OK to hate gay people. Normally, I have no problem with peoples' opinions for or against something. However, people have been known to kill gay people because they think it's "wrong." This is just another scenario in which I find religious people to be very creepy. Actually, it's okay to hate anything and anyone for any reason whatsoever.
When he said different religions to not be offended, I think he meant that he wasn't a Christian or other religious group that believes in the bible...
No it isn't. It's allowed; it's possible, but that doesn't mean it's "OK." It doesn't accomplish anything, it doesn't help anyone, it's not helping our society progress.
Subjective morality has nothing to do with it. There's nothing you can do about what others feel.
Well, if I were like a lot of people here, I could hate them for it. Subjective morality seems to have everything to do with why you dislike gay people. (You collectively, not just Aircraftkiller).
There's nothing wrong with having personal feelings, but actually getting mad at people or even hating them because of something they didn't do [like, for instance, being gay] isn't cool with me.
How is being gay something they didn't do if they are gay? If they didn't choose to be gay, yet don't choose to seek help, I see a problem.
rm5248 here are some more questions: 1. if god didnt have a wife, how did he have a son? Luke 1:26-38 rm5248 3. why do we have origianal sin if we did not do it? You sinned, I sinned, everybody sinned. We inherited this sinful nature from Adam. But NOW we can be saved by the blood of Jesus Christ. Jesus is our passover (Heb. 9:11-14). Okay, I think being gay is wrong and not God's intent for sex. I also find it irrational and stupid to say that people are "born gay." You can obviously CHOOSE to be gay or not. However, I do not hate gays. I hate homosexuality but NOT the homosexual. Now back to the original topic of the thread... If the KKK wants to be part of the Adopt-a-Highway program, so be it, this is America. And if they don't feel like cleaning up the road, so be it, it only hurts them.
Quote: Subjective morality has nothing to do with it. There's nothing you can do about what others feel. Lets just push morality to the side for a moment. It may be ok in the eyes of individuals to hate certain people. Doesn't matter if some people are the world's biggest racists. But if they go out and kill those people like the KKK have done in the past, then thats certainly not OK. It is OK to hate gays if you keep it to yourself, but if you openly say you hate them, or if you kill them, harass them or discrimitate them, then thats immoral and that is not OK. As for being gay...If you are gay its because you are BORN that way or you grow up that way (and i don't mean social interference). They can't avoid it, so it's not their fault. It's not wrong. It is pretty illogical to say otherwise. And NO i do not read the bible, and if the bible says that "it was not god's intent" for people to be that way, well it was not "god's intent" for people to have 6 toes, or hair covering their face, or to have no hands and legs, be 2-foot tall... but guess what. It happens. Quote: You can obviously CHOOSE to be gay or not. Can you? I don't remember that part when I was due to arrive. :rolleyes: And let the KKK adopt a highway. They are not hurting anyone.
I think there is a slight misunderstanding on what is "wrong" and what is "gay". MrPirate said it, I believe, that the act of sex should be only between a man and a woman, and that is true for the reasons he stated. Now, you can be gay, and not have sex. It's entirely possible -- but that is in no way wrong. The Catholic religion (at least) accepts gay people, however frowns upon the act of sex in a gay relationship. That is viewed as "wrong" as far as the Church goes. Of course, you can be a hypocrite and say that you think all gay people (and no, you don't have to be intimate with the same sex to be gay) are morally "wrong", but as Aircraftkiller said, you can't tell people what to feel.
Exodus 22:18 - "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." It's in the Bible. Does it justify hating and killing innocent people, as they thought it did in Salem three centuries ago? I believe much of the Bible is right, yes, and as a Christian I support it. However you cannot take every word verbatim as law.
To quot Eddie Izzard 'I don't mind people being homophobic, so long as they do it behind closed doors and don't hurt anyone' As for the KKK and their bit of road, if they want to keep it clean and put their name on it, thats fine. But surely people who are going to mess it up deliberately are being a bit backward. Would they kick each other in the nuts if the kkk sponsored underpants? --- ' I'm not claiming to know the book through and through because I don't, in fact I know very little. And yes, I'll base my morality off on it any day.'--- Thats the most stupidly ignorant thing I've heard in a long while on this forum. You base your morality on a book you haven't read? So how do you know what the morality is? I mean for all you know there are pages in the bible forbiding the use of strawberies on a wednesday. If you want to live your life by it, fine. Just try and know what your living your life by.
Good point, it pays to remember it wasn't written in English. For example the commandment 'Thou shall not kill' was miss translated from 'Thou shall not Murder'. Which raises all sorts of moral questions about euthanasia, abortion, etc. Or the miss translation of the Word 'Virgin', which was 'originaly Young' woman. Translation is difficult, and subtle mistakes can have a big impact. Taximes I believe much of the Bible is right, yes, and as a Christian I support it. However you cannot take every word verbatim as law.
Aircraftkiller Imdgr8one Does anyone even realize that they don't choose to be gay, they're born with it. Some of you people are so anti-gay that you wonder why many gay people don't make it past high school. I'm sure you came to that conclusion with your many degrees in psychology and biology... I'm also sure you can negate me with your knowledge also.
I can't. It's not possible to refute an assumption with another assumption.
MrBob I also find it irrational and stupid to say that people are "born gay." You can obviously CHOOSE to be gay or not. Lamp. Yeah, you go up to the PT and select 'Gay,' for 500 credits.
Fallacy in logic. That form of sarcasm is the equivilant of saying: "Lamp. Yeah, you go up to the PT and select 'Brunette Female,' for 500 credits."
Taximes I believe much of the Bible is right, yes, and as a Christian I support it. However you cannot take every word verbatim as law. Yea, you can overanalyze anything. Aircraftkiller I can't. It's not possible to refute an assumption with another assumption. Translation: "Neither of us know what the hell we're talking about."(not making fun, trying to make funny) /me likes these really deep discussions
Aircraftkiller Fallacy in logic. That form of sarcasm is the equivilant of saying: "Lamp. Yeah, you go up to the PT and select 'Brunette Female,' for 500 credits." Yeah... that was the point, unless people here think hair colour is also a conscious choice.
It is a conscious choice to choose whether or not you want to be gay. I could walk up to a gay man and ask him to fuck me in the ass if I really wanted to do so. All that keeps me from doing it is that I don't want to be fucked in the ass by anyone, especially not a gay man.
Having sex with another man wouldn't (necessarily) make you gay, being sexually attracted would. That's why it's not a choice.
What the fuck, that's the same thing, you will almost never have sex with anyone unless you're sexually attracted to them.
Nobody is born a homosexual; that is a myth. Over 80% of homosexual males have a father that was abusive, neglegent, or left their family. There are also countless examples of straights turning homosexual and homosexuals turning straight during their lifetime. And by what authority do you call someone wrong for saying homosexuality is wrong? Moral relativism is full of loopholes that cannot be resolved.
Well, exactly. Why else would someone "choose to be gay" and have sex with another man, like you said? They want to; they're sexually oriented to like men. They didn't choose to be that way, but that's how they are.
SomeRhino Nobody is born a homosexual; that is a myth. Over 80% of homosexual males have a father that was abusive, neglegent, or left their family. There are also countless examples of straights turning homosexual and homosexuals turning straight during their lifetime. And by what authority do you call someone wrong for saying homosexuality is wrong? Moral relativism is full of loopholes that cannot be resolved. It may not be an innate characteristic, but there has to be something that happens early in life or perhaps more likely in early childhood to influence this aspect of one's personality... Sure, one can make a choice to engage in homosexual acts, but how much can one help his or her attraction to someone? How can you decide who you like; what you like?
Aircraftkiller It is a conscious choice to choose whether or not you want to be gay. I could walk up to a gay man and ask him to fuck me in the ass if I really wanted to do so. All that keeps me from doing it is that I don't want to be fucked in the ass by anyone, especially not a gay man. You could do that all you want, but you'd never be gay. (I shudder at the thought) Gender is not a 2 option thing. Its a scale. Man - woman and anywhere in between middle, or near would be gay. You ARE born like that. And it can even be corrected in some cases. But the homosexuality doesn't show untill you are older.
SomeRhino Nobody is born a homosexual; that is a myth. Over 80% of homosexual males have a father that was abusive, neglegent, or left their family. There are also countless examples of straights turning homosexual and homosexuals turning straight during their lifetime. And by what authority do you call someone wrong for saying homosexuality is wrong? Moral relativism is full of loopholes that cannot be resolved. i'd like to see proof backing up that statement... it's not a true statistic. as for the guy who said they find it hard to believe the kkk would care about the commmunity... if you knew anything about the kkk you would know that they get involved very much in betterment of communities. even though many of us feel their ideas are whacked, they do involve themselves alot in clean up projects and community service. they just spread intolerance with them while they're doing it. as for the bible, just to add my own 2 cents in, i don't believe in god or the reliability of the bible. it's a great book to read(yes, i've read it a few times) but in my opinion, it holds no more credibility than aesops fables does. but, i have no problem if others wish to believe in it. as for gay being a choice or not... many of those who believe it is wrong do so based on religion. since the common religious belief(except hindu) states that man is the only creature with a soul and free choice, how would the argument that it is a choice hold up when you take in account animals in the wild who engage in homosexual behavior? personally, i don't care one way or another about homosexuality. on a side note, i do have a couple gay guys renting out one of my houses. i've never met them, but i'm hoping that they burn down the house with one of their scented candles so i can collect the insurance :twisted:
1. People are born gay, and even if by some people it happens due to their childhood, it's still not their fault and not wrong. 2. Homosexuality happens in nature. Animals can be gay too. Therefor it's natural and not wrong. 3. I find it quite arrogant that some people claim to know who god loves and who he doesn't love. Even more that they seem to know god's motives. 4. I can understand why someone would be pro-war. I understand why people support Bush. I understand why people support many right-wing points of view. But why people oppose homosexuality is completely beyond me. To me it's like opposing rain or saying grass should be blue and green grass is wrong. I fail to comprehend it. 5. With "homosexuality" I generally refer to people who feel sexually attracted to members of their own sex. Having sex with them is a logical consequence to me.
Citing animal homosexual acts as proof of it being natural is always going to be dodgy ground. Mainly due to the fact that then you have to take into account many more of the motivations involved, like instinct verses desire, and the sense of self. Sens of self being when a creature is capable of understanding a)the affect of it's actions on others, and b)Having the abuility to empathise emotionaly with others. The Benobo Chimp is said, like all chimps, which technicaly includes humans, is said to have a sense of self, and uses sex as a social tool, to cement relationships, and assert dominance. If there's a hell for chimps these guys are well on their way , they not only shag hetrosexualy, but homosexualy, insestualy and infantaly. Does this mean that because it's seen in nature incest and pedeophilia are ok? I would have thought not. What it does show however, is that sex is not just about sexual attraction, but also about asserting dominance, which is also attributed to the high rate of sexual attacks in prisons. I'm not looking to support or denounce homosexuality, but I just find the argument that it's ok cos u see it in nature should be thought through a bit. We're geneticaly closer to chimps than many other animals we quite happily put in the same catagory, the only reason we reffere to ourselves as homo sapiens, as opposed to pans (chimp) sappiens, is because the victorians didn't know about genetics, and had issues with Darwin and evolution.
OK or not, that it appears in nature at least shows that being gay is not a conscious choice, as animals (as far as we know) can't make conscious decisions.
But at best it's bisexual behaviour, as far as I am aware there has never been doccumented cases of any animal conciously or otherwise displaying purely homosexual behaviour in preference to hetrosexual behaviour. In fact, homosexual behaviour in animals is almost exclusivly used to assert dominance and not in any way used as a means of affection. If people want to be gay, let em. Don't feel the urge to justify it. If people want to use God as an excuse to hate people they don't understand, let em. It's their choice. It's not their fault if their so stupid as to realise that that kind of attitude is what sends suicide bombers into inocent people. Being told that God says it's the right thing to do.
Imdgr8one Does anyone even realize that they don't choose to be gay, they're born with it. Some of you people are so anti-gay that you wonder why many gay people don't make it past high school. Id rather it if they didnt even make it to high school. If they are going to run around showing and preaching their homosexuality (which every gay I have ever met, and Ive met a lot around here, does) then they deserve to get mistreated for it. If they got it they can flaunt it. But, I also got my reasons for disliking them. So im going to flaunt that around too. If someone tells me I cant, tough luck for them, because im going to flaunt my fist all over their jawbone untill they realize the issue. *Pictures year in -(2998)-....final human species dies. From what? Not an asteroid. Not a nuclear war. Definitely not an AI. But, from the simple fact that men and women no longer had sex and produced babies.--Thank you Gay eye for a Straight Guy, Richard Simmons, Priests, The Village People, and Will and Grace, for ending the worlds population of the humans.*
DBB Imdgr8one Does anyone even realize that they don't choose to be gay, they're born with it. Some of you people are so anti-gay that you wonder why many gay people don't make it past high school. Id rather it if they didnt even make it to high school. If they are going to run around showing and preaching their homosexuality (which every gay I have ever met, and Ive met a lot around here, does) then they deserve to get mistreated for it. If they got it they can flaunt it. But, I also got my reasons for disliking them. So im going to flaunt that around too. If someone tells me I cant, tough luck for them, because im going to flaunt my fist all over their jawbone untill they realize the issue. *Pictures year in -(2998)-....final human species dies. From what? Not an asteroid. Not a nuclear war. Definitely not an AI. But, from the simple fact that men and women no longer had sex and produced babies.--Thank you Gay eye for a Straight Guy, Richard Simmons, Priests, The Village People, and Will and Grace, for ending the worlds population of the humans.* Thanks for being an ignorant fuck. But hey, maybe you're right; the world is DANGEROUSLY UNDERPOPULATED. There's no way that having some people be gay is nature's way of trying balance the fact that there are just way too fucking many people as it is. And hey, if you want to discriminate against people because they're gay, and punch anyone who disagrees with you, I can't wait until you get the shit kicked out of you.
Heh. Mr Pirate. Read my post, then read the year I put. Sound kind of like a joke, maybe a little sarcasm? Good nature laugh to try and lighten up the situation? Nah, your to in depth with your mindset that you couldnt pull your head out of your ass if you tried. Second, why swear, does it make your 12 year old mind(once again, feel the sarcasm?) feel like a real big tough guy? Third, words dont work. Learn it. Nothing worth fighting for ever gets settled with words. If you disagree with me, and want to make something out of it, then my italian temper is going to take its toll on you. Shit kicked out of me huh? Hmm, interesting. Id rather get the shit kicked out of me for something I believe in rather then just being a dumb protesting hippy who has no real idea of what the world is about. Get off your drugs.(That was not directly pointed at you, I dont no if you do drugs, but it was a generlized statement) I have my opinions.You have yours. If they dont like that then you know what? They can just go ahead and blow me, oh no wait, they actually would want to do that........ :rolleyes: (once again Im getting the vibe of sarcasm) Ill be honest, im not going to HATE you because your a homosexual. Im goign to HATE you if you go aroudn and parade around saying you are one for the attention, for the drama, for the looks of people, and to cause discussions like these. If I were at work, and a homosexual came in, didnt flaunt it, but was just holding his/hers partners hand, I would not have a big problem with that. I might feel a little uncomfortable, crack a few jokes, hell I might even get a giggle or two out of it. But I would not hate them nor treat them differently, other then the fact that they might try to hit on me and get my phone number!
I think we both know that an argument over the Internet isn't worth physically fighting for.
mrpirate I think we both know that an argument over the Internet isn't worth physically fighting for. Of course not.If this were to happen in a bar or in a public area, both of us would prolly be arrested.I would of rather seen that this subject didnt get into an argument from anyone on here. But, of course it did. I would of rather had a civil discussion and have people point out the pros/cons. But, once again that did not happen. But be forewarned, if you ever come to my house selling vacuums, theres going to be a nice greeting. *Year is -(2009)- Mr.Pirate walks to my door. "Hello sir would you like to buy a vacuum." Wait, your Mr.Pirate? "Yes"......Well do you remember that topic a long time ago about homosexuals?....."No" *smacks him* Do you now?* <<<-----SARCASM! Just a little joke....trying to lighten the air up in here.
Heh. I don't actually sell vacuums. I always say that I do... but I can't remember why.
Haha, that would def. be an interesting job to say the least!
Quote: It may not be an innate characteristic, but there has to be something that happens early in life or perhaps more likely in early childhood to influence this aspect of one's personality... Sure, one can make a choice to engage in homosexual acts, but how much can one help his or her attraction to someone? How can you decide who you like; what you like? I'm no expert on the subject, and definately don't know firsthand, but I have had conversations with former homosexuals who were able to "outgrow" their attraction to other man and are now have wives. It's not my place to answer your question. Quote: i'd like to see proof backing up that statement... it's not a true statistic. I heard that in a lecture one time. I have the book the lecturer wrote, but haven't had time to go find the quote. Anyways, this guy has been talking to homosexuals for years and I think determined the statistic on his own. Since I haven't offered you any proof, then you can disregard that remark. Quote: 1. People are born gay, and even if by some people it happens due to their childhood, it's still not their fault and not wrong. If their homosexuality is a result of their childhood, then it doesn't mean they are born homosexual. Quote: 2. Homosexuality happens in nature. Animals can be gay too. Therefor it's natural and not wrong. Animals also rape, murder, and are often involved in cannibalism. I can justify all of this according to your logic. Quote: 3. I find it quite arrogant that some people claim to know who god loves and who he doesn't love. Even more that they seem to know god's motives. I don't believe anyone said God doesn't love homosexuals, but that the act of homosexuality is a sin. It is futile to argue ethics with people who base their ethics within their own opinions. Nothing will be accomplished.
Quoting religious texts is not a way to prove a point, since not everyone follows the same religion. What seems "right" to one person might be "wrong" to another, and vice versa. Get it? Who are you to judge someone based on your standards of what they should or should not be doing? Here's my take on it: Don't try to force your beliefs on somoene else- THAT is what is truly wrong. So long as they don't try to make you do things their way, why should you go out of your way to disrupt their happy lives?
STOP FLAMMING THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS TOPIC WAS FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry Yano, but your 5 posts of spam won't change the controversy you've created.
SomeRhino And by what authority do you call someone wrong for saying homosexuality is wrong? The Bible is what I use. mrpirate They want to; they're sexually oriented to like men. Yea, and that's really fucked up. Look, unless you're just a complete retard then you actually choose whether you have sex with a guy or a girl. It's no different than choosing to having sex or not to have sex. I don't have a degree in biology so I can't say whether you are more unclined to have sex with a man or a woman. But the fact is you CHOOSE to have sex, whether it be with a man or a woman. Maybe I'll go into how I think it's wrong later.
Javaxcx Sorry Yano, but your 5 posts of spam won't change the controversy you've created. I was hoping my spam would make this topic be locked or moved to the silo. I think its time to bring out the big guns and get a few hundred posts in here in a few minutes :twisted: *Walks away slowly tward the internet underground...
DragonFg Look, unless you're just a complete retard then you actually choose whether you have sex with a guy or a girl. It's no different than choosing to having sex or not to have sex. I don't have a degree in biology so I can't say whether you are more unclined to have sex with a man or a woman. But the fact is you CHOOSE to have sex, whether it be with a man or a woman. Maybe I'll go into how I think it's wrong later. The act of having sex is not what makes one gay. Being attracted to the same sex is. Look, I will explain this once and not again. If sexuality is, as you say, a choice, then you have the option of having sex with either men or women. You, being straight, want to have sex with women, obviously. You can't understand why a man would want to have sex with another man. OK, fair enough. So then you're assuming that everyone is like you, but some guys just want to do something disgusting and have sex with other guys? But that makes no sense. If everyone felt the way you do, there would be no gays. So, obviously, there is something deeper here. Gay people must be *gasp* ATTRACTED TO THE SAME SEX. This is not something that is chosen consciously, since one can't just say "I'm straight/gay now!" See? Someone like yourself would never just say, "I'm going to go have dirty sex with a bunch of guys." Gay people are different.
being gay is wrong, evolution made us male and female so we would be able to reproduce and further our species. and saying that god has anything to do with it is even more wrong because the only thing religion has created during the ages is death and suffering nomatter what religion is used to justify it with.
SkitBra being gay is wrong, evolution made us male and female so we would be able to reproduce and further our species. Obviously, since gay people are also a product of evolution, it's even more difficult to claim it's "wrong". Besides, I really don't see the need to reproduce with more than 6 billion people on this planet already and some 8 billion in 2025 IIRC.
mrpirate The act of having sex is not what makes one gay. Being attracted to the same sex is. Well it's wrong for one man to be attracted to another man. Those feeling of attraction come from Satan. Any person who is right with God will not be attracted to someone of the same sex. And if you don't believe the same way as me then we're basically at a stalemate, because I believe something and you don't.. I think everybody has covered all the possible points by now. So unless someone manages to bring up something else I'm all done.
DragonFg mrpirate The act of having sex is not what makes one gay. Being attracted to the same sex is. Well it's wrong for one man to be attracted to another man. Those feeling of attraction come from Satan. Any person who is right with God will not be attracted to someone of the same sex. And if you don't believe the same way as me then we're basically at a stalemate, because I believe something and you don't.. I think everybody has covered all the possible points by now. So unless someone manages to bring up something else I'm all done. DragonFg, you gotta be one of those religeous fanatics in al qaida or?
DragonFg mrpirate The act of having sex is not what makes one gay. Being attracted to the same sex is. Well it's wrong for one man to be attracted to another man. Those feeling of attraction come from Satan. Any person who is right with God will not be attracted to someone of the same sex. And if you don't believe the same way as me then we're basically at a stalemate, because I believe something and you don't.. I think everybody has covered all the possible points by now. So unless someone manages to bring up something else I'm all done. Thats ridiculous, and you know it (or for your sake, I hope you do). You're just like David McNamda. You're basing your whole arguement on faith. Do you know what faith is? Faith is the acknowledgment and unequivocal acceptance of unproven facts. If they are proven facts, then it is not faith, and you don't have a religion, only a science. Since you can't argue unproven truths, you can't say that being gay is wrong -- at least and expect to look like anything more than a blind follower.
That's exactly what I said... how the fuck can you be so ignorant as to say something is wrong based on religion when not everyone follows the same religion as you? YOU see it as wrong, THEY don't. Since THEY are the ones that it actually MATTERS for, your opinion in the matter HAS NO RELEVANCE WHATSOEVER. YOU beleive that being gay is wrong, and will result in damnation. Go ahead and keep believeing that. But don't try to ram that beleif down the throats of people who obviously have a very different set of beliefs. And DEFINITELY don't take it into politics...then it becomes more than just pathetic and hypocritical, it becomes opressive and wrong. Who someone loves and/or fucks is their own business, not yours. [/b]
It's kind of like what that Alabama judge did with the Ten Commandments issue... totally ridiculous.
As for homosexuality, well, some say it is wrong. However, what direct harm results from it? Murder, for example, needlessly causes death and suffering among all those involved, obvious bad things. I must have missed where innocent love between two people was morally wrong...
Facts don't change, right? You're having faith in human ignorance and delusions. Personally, I'll take God over the self-serving crap you "god doesnt exist, because i somehow no it!" people feed everyone.
gay is wrong. Put all the gays on an island and in about 100 years there'll be no more gays.
Ok.. but do you have a reason as to why it's wrong?
Aircraftkiller Facts don't change, right? You're having faith in human ignorance and delusions. Personally, I'll take God over the self-serving crap you "god doesnt exist, because i somehow no it!" people feed everyone. There is a very big difference between proving that 1+1=2 and proving "THESE morals are the correct morals".
NHJ BV Obviously, since gay people are also a product of evolution, it's even more difficult to claim it's "wrong". Besides, I really don't see the need to reproduce with more than 6 billion people on this planet already and some 8 billion in 2025 IIRC. Evolution has a way of weeding out the defects in a species. Gays are simply a defect in our species that will eventually be weeded out through natural selection. Javaxcx There is a very big difference between proving that 1+1=2 and proving "THESE morals are the correct morals". Very true, but are there not some morals that serve no purpose in today's society or are just flat out wrong? An Islamic terrorist has morals. He thinks it's moral to detonate a bomb on innocent civilians in a crowded marketplace. Are you going to sit there and defend him because his morals are not necessarily bad because they are HIS morals? Of course not, because killing people is wrong. So there are obviously some morals that are correct and others that are completely ridiculous. Being gay is morally wrong to a lot of people, but most people wouldn't even care if someone is gay as long as they don't have to go around advertising it to the world, because quite frankly, no one cares. What you do with your dick is entirely up to you. Don't go telling the whole world you like dicks in your ass. We don't give a shit and we're tired of heaing it. Take your "Gay and Lesbian Pride Parade" and "Gay Pride Month" and shove it.
Morality is a touchy issue. It's subjective, yet it's not at the same time. Some believe that morals are established through religion, and others just do what they believe to be right. The government works on both grounds, because the government is a democrazy ( ) full of people of different moral backgrounds. Personally, I believe it is wrong to kill. My religion states that it is, and so do humanists. But when it comes to issues such as homosexuality, religion says it's wrong, and humanism says it's tolerable. So we're at an impasse.
i think the KKK is gay i dont give a shit wether someone is white or black or whatever we are all human beings although some people seem to be beasts rather than human like some members of the KKK are. Its sick. Gay people, its not my kind of thing but it doesnt bother me, everyone is different with differnt tastes, religous and thoughts. I know quite a few 'gay' people myself and they are just people like you and me are, only their sexual attraction is to people of the same sex :/ Its about respect to other people i think, without that, life would really suck and it does anyway lol [zunnie]
This is exactly how nazi germany started. And ahhh who the fuck cares if someone is gay or not, you dont have the right to tell someone not to be gay. They can be gay if they want to be gay and you can be straight if you want to be straight. Mind your own business, I mean what did a gay person ever do to you? So shove that anti-gay shit up your ass Ack and everyone else who is against gay people.
ohmybad This is exactly how nazi germany started. And ahhh who the fuck cares if someone is gay or not, you dont have the right to tell someone not to be gay. They can be gay if they want to be gay and you can be straight if you want to be straight. Mind your own business, I mean what did a gay person ever do to you? So shove that anti-gay shit up your ass Ack and everyone else who is against gay people. When the hell did ACK say that being gay should be outlawed? He just said it was a bad thing; he never said it should be illegal. And you DO have the right to tell someone not to be gay, just as that person has the right to cover his ears and drown you out.