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the fact that storm has been removed from xwis has affected a lot of players who do not visit forums ect so have no idea how to join with out xwis . they have no idea about renip or renlist ect petition http://www.st0rm.net/ren.php players who have already signed and have there game disrupted by this action Aca Cyanide Dave White Serenity FreakySt0rm Fabisch Tessa Van Parijs Shane Gijsen DAgunz0 Comp_uter15776 Alphast0rm Simpol volcom112 MDK ren9999 GenOBrien newtown19 Wilost0rm Aska shaitan - Joel Watters Sineponev Good-One-Driver falcod FsFlight - Yes; I know your suprised Kickmofo eatcow0 Bobby97 Genesis2001 Joetorp da_st0rm_pope IM POSTAN IN A TROLL THREAD psych787 Rikku - This is childish. Axel Slade Razor14150 Happyband OSTKCabal Cojones Jacob Peace Dogg Darren Lundy (Lundy004) Dethice TitMilk ___Got Milk ? Timy applst0rm DarkBullet tisqsaps idisarmu MobileStorm Lord Galyen all these guys did nothing wrong but are being punishd by this childish action
TEAM MDK wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 17:20 players who have already signed and have there game disrupted by this action TEAM MDK wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 17:20 Wilost0rm TEAM MDK wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 17:20 all these guys did nothing wrong but are being punishd by this childish action HoF LOL
Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 17:44 TEAM MDK wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 17:20 players who have already signed and have there game disrupted by this action TEAM MDK wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 17:20 Wilost0rm TEAM MDK wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 17:20 all these guys did nothing wrong but are being punishd by this childish action HoF LOL
A better petition would be asking Wilost0rm to step down.
two things 1. in the original "truth" thread, wilo's comments actually gave the impression that he thought more should be done about people like him. secondly, when i talked about the possibility of an XWIS ban, his only response was that it wouldn't affect him. he said nothing at all about it being undeserved, only that it would be toothless. 2. most of the comemnts about the situation i see from st0rm members, especially you MDK, speak as if wilo's actions and the renegade community and admins' response to wilo's actions are morally equivalent. please, if you want to be taken seriously, don't spout such drivel. you obviously have no idea how much this discredits you, but start getting an idea.
the actions being taken are no better or worse than his . and you want him to step down and put some one in charge who is no better than he is ?
Crimson wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 18:00 A better petition would be asking Wilost0rm to step down. This a thousand times over. Did I just agree with Crimson?
Signed it. My signature: DONT UNBAN THEN, WILO BAD I worded it specifically so people with low IQ (I.E, you) can understand it.
I definitely don't mind st0rm being banned off Renegade, considering half the administration are script kiddies..
TEAM MDK wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 18:15 the actions being taken are no better or worse than his . if you knew how fucking retarded you sound when you say that, you wouldn't say it. Quote: and you want him to step down and put some one in charge who is no better than he is ? ...i haven't actually commented on crimson's offer. if you want to reject it, reject it.
What seems to be the problem exactly, and who is Wilost0rm?
Spoony wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 19:04 TEAM MDK wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 18:15 the actions being taken are no better or worse than his . if you knew how fucking retarded you sound when you say that, you wouldn't say it. Quote: and you want him to step down and put some one in charge who is no better than he is ? ...i haven't actually commented on crimson's offer. if you want to reject it, reject it. Again, I don't care who takes over. I don't want anything to do with the day-to-day running of it. I was just offering an alternative to help that community that is "suffering" because of their leader's stupidity and poor judgment.
the more MDK supports st0rm the more bleak things look for them
It's Wilo's server, it's his responsibility. If he fucks up for the rest, go blame him, not XWIS-team.
mdk and storm in bed together.......thats just too perfect. wilo should take a step off his high horse and leave the renegade community he shitted all over for good. While his at the helm, storm has no right to be involved with the game we all play.
Gohax wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 00:04 MDK should lead st0rm. This!
TEAM MDK wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 02:15 the actions being taken are no better or worse than his . and you want him to step down and put some one in charge who is no better than he is ? His server keeps running and doesn't suddenly drop all players. Sounds a lot better for continutity sake than randomly crashing/emptying servers. Also, this was a reaction to his actoins. Actions which damages the whole Renegade community. If uninformed players see that they get dropped from the game all the time then they are likely to at some point quit the game out of annoyance, not just the server. Yes it's an harsh saction, but what do you suggest as alternative? Only viable option I see would be for wilo to step down, but that's not something that can be forced from outside the community.
Quote: 00:00:00:00 until St0rm Renegade shuts down if our hostnames remain banned Oh, goodbye then...
Hmm, look, he's threating us. Now, explain, again, why St0rm is such an awesome and friendly community that it deserves to be on XWIS? Edit: to clarify, you're again trying to ruin Renegade for others. This is something we cannot accept.
it's not over till the fat lady sings..............
TEAM MDK wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 05:04 it's not over till the fat lady sings.............. Sadly, it is over. Even a dumb monkey will figure that Wilo won't just "step down" - he's on a constant power trip. The petition is pointless as the guidelines for st0rm to get unbanned is simply Wilo stepping down.
MDK..I don't know you ...but in all honesty you aren't helping anything by preaching to the choir...I am also sure st0rm is very thankful for your efforts but your attempts aren't. I do give you props don't get me wrong. My server's has been crashing constantly since I started hosting them in 2003, but doesn't bother me much as it doesn't take much to walk down a few steps and relaunch it, yea I lost tons of players but its not like I am paying anything to host the game either, unlike a few other servers. Nor will I ever complain about the fact that is gets hit. It happens...even right now for that matter. Every community is going to have someone out there that doesn't like another one. HELL a lot of them here don't like me, so to his, his own. I'm not here to be liked, only to have fun. Your going to run into this with any game. Same with my BF3 and MW3 servers. Do I feel that Wilo was wrong in doing what he done or the other people that participated? Of course, but this is just something that I have learned to deal with over the years of trying to support this game, which is becoming hard to do, its become a never ending segment in this community and I thought the soap As the World Turns was canceled... but I will remain dealing with it ...I've seen no other servers in the past being punished this harsh back in the day...idk why we start now, but that is only my opinion and I know that my opinion here doesn't mean shit. I mean hell...look how it was back in Fastc0nn aka Renstation.. Renbattle.. UN.. as well as my servers plus many others...no one helped. Only with a lets retaliate and hit the sumbitches back. Pointless. I just started playing after a few years of walking away (no it was really due to being banned from UN because of my verbal mouth so the embarrassment entitled me too) and now appears I cannot due to the fact that I can't play in an empty server, I mean hell I may as well just go to my room and continue to play with myself. It does hit a bit of a nerve in my backside that the St0rm server was booming one day and now I am lucky to see 6 ppl in-game. As they say shit happens, but it would be NICE to see it populated again, I am not going to ask someone to step away from their own server ...its like asking Dogg to walk away from our marriage because hes too tired from working so much and doesn't give it up enough, just not going to happen. If st0rm is to close its renegade server I won't lie, I'd be bummed, I'll hate to see it go ...but there is nothing any of us can do about it.
Gohax wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 08:04 MDK should lead st0rm.
If st0rm is to close its renegade server I won't lie, I'd be bummed, I'll hate to see it go ...but there is nothing any of us can do about it. yes there is we can offer support to a server we like rgardless of who owns or runs it . I am not keen on some countrys leaders but would not hate the population for the actions of its leaders .. take the president out of office and shoot him dont attack his country for his actions. as you kinda say no one here listens to us . but this action is pissing a lot of people off and if storm serv go's there will be at least over 50 ppl looking for some one to blame and maybe retaliate .
MDK, it's simple. Wilo steps down and st0rm can go back to it's business. That easy. He just doesn't want to because he's on this power-trip. It seems he's even enjoying this little drama-filled struggle, even though he's the one fueling it. I don't know why you're relating real-world circumstances to a game, because they aren't really the same. The people that have played at jelly and other server that Wilo crashed their games FAR out-weigh the players at st0rm. And yet, you guys are saying that closing down st0rm servers for XWIS is affecting tons of st0rm players? What about the players at Jelly (which might I add again, FAR out-weigh st0rm players) that had COUNTLESS games crashed? Or, do you just choose not to acknowledge that fact? St0rm doesn't have to shut down. Wilo steps down, it can (somewhat) go back to what it used to be. Until then, expect this. I don't know why so many people back Wilo up, knowing what he's done.. It's ridiculous.
There is no point in discussing this any further, People have said solid facts. You will NOT get through to anyone. Not since they have their mind set in such a way that there is no negotiation possible. It's best to just leave this matter alone and stop repeating ourselves over and over. It's not gonna change a thing, if people don't want to listen to reason, let them. It's but their own fault.
TEAM MDK wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 11:58 If as you kinda say no one here listens to us . but this action is pissing a lot of people off and if storm serv go's there will be at least over 50 ppl looking for some one to blame and maybe retaliate . Correct no one will listen, so it is a moot issue to even bring it to anyone's attention. Everyone is hell bent on lets fire the torch at Wilo because hes a disgrace...blah blah blah. I am going to remain his friend either way so whatever happens to st0rm happens, I'd rather it be differently but oh well. Honestly I don't even know all the facts that has lead up to this stupid shit as I didn't read all of the post Wilo made or that was made in the serverowners area and hell I even told him that if he wanted to crash my server he could do it all he wanted, not saying that it was him that was or still is doing it for that matter (IP states it not so not going to point fingers at anyone) because I am too use to this crap, as everyone else should be... I just have better things to do then just sit and torment someone and their community personally I don't really give a damn, I just wanna play the damn game...I am fine with it being on fagspy ...this has been going on in the Renegade Community since the beginning, pissed off server owners pissing on everyone's tree...and this stupid shit about everyone will just retaliate is just stupid on their part if they do ...whats it really going to prove? How much of a crybaby and coward they are. EVERYONE just needs to talk it over by themselve and leave everyone else out of it...but everyone feels they are bigger than the other person so that was a waste of my time typing.
TEAM MDK wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 10:58 yes there is we can offer support to a server we like rgardless of who owns or runs it . Wilo has shown through years of abuse, time and time again, that Renegade as a whole is better off without him supporting st0rm means you support the rapid deaths of the remaining Renegade communities, especially any with more players than his why don't you listen to what everyone here is telling you: ask him to leave st0rm doesn't have to die, and if Wilo were out of the picture things could go back to normal and the XWIS ban would be lifted immediately TEAM MDK wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 10:58 as you kinda say no one here listens to us . but this action is pissing a lot of people off and if storm serv go's there will be at least over 50 ppl looking for some one to blame and maybe retaliate . maybe they should retaliate against Wilo, the source of all of their problems the fact that he's too power-hungry to step down and do the right thing for both his community and the Renegade community as a whole shows how selfish he truly is and how little he actually cares about you or st0rm's well-being
I do not back wilo up you all know I have no love for him .I back up one of the few servers in ren I like to play at. I once saw a great server vanish as we all have and we miss them even today . is actions was wrong yes he may be on a power trip but this can be said for almost all the server owners or admins . they all have done something like this. but never came out and owned up to it. I could name them but they would only say its untrue and then ban me in servers for saying such things . do you realy think that trying to push wilo out of his server or killing it will make him stop doing things like he has done...no fricken way dude he will just step up his game and have a small army of helpers behind him so the next attacks will not be 1 server owner and 3 admins it will be a lot of guys who are pissed of that you guys shut down there fun ren server . one of the only full 4.0 no cheat servers where you culd have a honest game.
TEAM MDK wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 12:40 do you realy think that trying to push wilo out of his server or killing it will make him stop doing things like he has done...no fricken way dude he will just step up his game and have a small army of helpers behind him so the next attacks will not be 1 server owner and 3 admins it will be a lot of guys who are pissed of that you guys shut down there fun ren server . look! more threats!
st0rm could and will be everything it was without him if he steps down why don't you form a petition if you love st0rm so much i'm dead serious; i will support you 100%
Starbuzz wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 12:45 TEAM MDK wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 12:40 do you realy think that trying to push wilo out of his server or killing it will make him stop doing things like he has done...no fricken way dude he will just step up his game and have a small army of helpers behind him so the next attacks will not be 1 server owner and 3 admins it will be a lot of guys who are pissed of that you guys shut down there fun ren server . look! more threats! thats no threat dude but how life works. I hurt you - you hit back - I hit back harder -you get a baseball bat -I get 20 mates armed with the best weapons and totaly destroy you . lol thats a joke by the way.
TEAM MDK wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 17:58 If st0rm is to close its renegade server I won't lie, I'd be bummed, I'll hate to see it go ...but there is nothing any of us can do about it. yes there is we can offer support to a server we like rgardless of who owns or runs it . I am not keen on some countrys leaders but would not hate the population for the actions of its leaders .. take the president out of office and shoot him dont attack his country for his actions. as you kinda say no one here listens to us . but this action is pissing a lot of people off and if storm serv go's there will be at least over 50 ppl looking for some one to blame and maybe retaliate . If a president starts a war the country and it's people will have to live with the mess. They might get out of the mess by starting a revolution. Also, there are a couple of TT servers out there, which are actually cheat-free and have been for a while.
TEAM MDK wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 13:58 thats no threat dude but how life works. I hurt you - you hit back - I hit back harder -you get a baseball bat -I get 20 mates armed with the best weapons and totaly destroy you . lol thats a joke by the way. you don't seem to understand; Renegade is like a restaurant, and one of the customers just started throwing punches at other customers entirely unprovoked and slamming their heads down on the dinner tables without reason the restaurant owners are throwing him out and barring him from the premises now you're saying that, because he got himself thrown out of the restaurant and his friends are no longer welcome back, he has a reason to attack and/or retaliate would you say that, if he fire-bombed and blew up the restaurant, that it's justified because the restaurant banned him for being a menace and threatening business? the catch to all of this is that his friends are always welcome, as long as he's not present ...why don't you ask him to leave both the restaurant, its customers, and his friends alone so everyone can dine in peace?
After the conversation I just had with Wilo, his servers will not be online for a LONG time.
Crimson wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 13:57 After the conversation I just had with Wilo, his servers will not be online for a LONG time. LOOOL. This SERIOUSLY needs to be released.. If everything can't be shown to light, atleast show part of it :/ Probably something the majority of the community would want, if not all.
His "friend" at the DoD has allegedly given him a 20-page file on me. He's pasted me some of the information from the file, but nothing that can't be found publicly at this point. But, I'm not taking any chances.
When I read your previous post, I instantly thought that Wilo probably threatened you with his usual bullshit (like releasing private info and what not)...how true it turned out to be.
Yeah, I figured I didn't need to be more specific. It's his usual M.O....
He does that to everyone.. Just shows his how powerful his power trip is.
still think he's the same as the rest of us, MDK? you're dealing with someone who has absolutely no fucking idea of right and wrong. did you see the advice i gave him barely two days ago? it was pretty straightforward - no more ddosing and hacking and flooding, or threats to do so, or these e-attacks. at first i thought that although he plainly doesn't know right from wrong, he might at least tone down his e-bullying in the interest of smoothing things over with the general renegade community. but it's much worse than that; he's positively trying to maintain his antagonistic relationship with the rest of renegade... at your expense, MDK. this is the contempt he holds you and the rest of the st0rm community in.
here's a crazy thought; start a petition telling him what i told him "wilo, stop being such a massive turd, stop ddosing and hacking and flooding servers, stop making these pathetic threats. because it not only is a terrible way to behave and shows what a pathetic little boy you are, the rest of us are suffering because of it" you'll get a lot more signatures than just the st0rm players, i can promise you that
You forgot to mention his pathological lying. Everything he got accused of flooding Jelly on IRC while I was on he'd PM me telling he wasn't and asking me why nobody would believe him, of course that's before he admitted to the flooding, got some of his other community members to flood Jelly's server and threaten to put a video online showing how to flood Jelly.
Aircraftkiller wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 15:35 ACK king of trolls and of topic posting. go plant some tree's dude
MDK, why do you blindly follow Wilo? The other day, I was telling st0rm players why the server was empty, and he complained that I was a "drama king" and "if your going to start shit, get out." Seriously, I tell people the truth, he gives them lies, and tells me not to start things?
Aircraftkiller wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 15:35 Lol. st0rm's dead. I think we can all say that now.
Generalcamo wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 19:12 MDK, why do you blindly follow Wilo? The other day, I was telling st0rm players why the server was empty, and he complained that I was a "drama king" and "if your going to start shit, get out." Seriously, I tell people the truth, he gives them lies, and tells me not to start things? pretty much he goes out of his way to make a scene, and then when people comment on it he claims everyone else is being dramatic when Wilo banned shaitan from IRC he made a topic on here just to humiliate him and even posted a picture of shaitan's mother pretty easy to see how that guy operates
Crimson wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 16:25 His "friend" at the DoD has allegedly given him a 20-page file on me. He's pasted me some of the information from the file, but nothing that can't be found publicly at this point. But, I'm not taking any chances. By pure logic alone, any imaginary friend of his who works at the DoD is not going to give him shit. Dissemination of peoples files is a criminal offense. There is no way in hell his 'friend' is going to loose his job over a stupid fight over a stupid video game. (ren's not stupid, but my point?) Crimson, I feel bad for ya. But you shouldn't be scared, just file a complaint. He is bluffing you, and just trying to get a rise out of you. Also I googled the personal information attached to the DNS alias of this site and found who you are in 5 seconds. Congrats on your engagement, and make your myspace private. Out of curiosity, who from the forums hooked you up with your fiance? BTW.. I really really really dont want to be banned for this, I love you guys, and I am proving a point here that you can find personal info in 3 seconds about anyone online by just googling!!!!!
halo2pac wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 22:02 Crimson wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 16:25 His "friend" at the DoD has allegedly given him a 20-page file on me. He's pasted me some of the information from the file, but nothing that can't be found publicly at this point. But, I'm not taking any chances. By pure logic alone, any imaginary friend of his who works at the DoD is not going to give him shit. Dissemination of peoples files is a criminal offense. There is no way in hell his 'friend' is going to loose his job over a stupid fight over a stupid video game. (ren's not stupid, but my point?) Crimson, I feel bad for ya. But you shouldn't be scared, just file a complaint. He is bluffing you, and just trying to get a rise out of you. Also I googled the personal information attached to the DNS alias of this site and found who you are in 5 seconds. Congrats on your engagement, and make your myspace private. Out of curiosity, who from the forums hooked you up with your fiance? BTW.. I really really really dont want to be banned for this, I love you guys, and I am proving a point here that you can find personal info in 3 seconds about anyone online by just googling!!!!! I'm not sure what I said that made you think that I 1) believe him or 2) am scared of him. I'm not. Nothing on my (lol) MySpace page is anything I consider to be "private" information. Unlike him, I do not live a life of crime where I need to hide from anything or anyone. And I know how to hide the DNS registration of my domains if necessary, but registering them to a PO Box is much less expensive.
Posting html-only backups of "The Truth" just so the text is available for viewing, now that the topic's disappeared.
Oh noes, they're all ganging up on us... quick, lets delete the topic, then there's no proof it ever happened!
hahahaaaa I knew the "Truth" thread would disappear knowing the st0rm mentality; I took a backup too. Good on you havoc for uploading! Here's my copy in clean printable format (perfect for viewing by lawyers/police officers/DoD personnel/judges) in three pages without the nasty signatures, flashy buttons and ugly avatars; just text with original colours.
A ss maybe could have been used as proof of a true document . the fact you have a clean text format that can be edited easy would not carry any weight with anyone so you kind fail...
Several names on their were of users that had no knowledge of the petition.
TEAM MDK wrote on Wed, 29 February 2012 12:10
I don't have a clue what is going on here. However, put your money were your mouth is and I'll sign the petition if you give me $500. I'll even give 0.002% of that back to the "St0rm" community as an endorsement. I approve this message.
Speedy059 wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 02:54 I don't have a clue what is going on here. However, put your money were your mouth is and I'll sign the petition if you give me $500. I'll even give 0.002% of that back to the "St0rm" community as an endorsement. I approve this message. Kind of late for that as st0rm's leaving Renegade (more like no one wants st0rm anyways lol)
[/quote] Kind of late for that as st0rm's leaving Renegade (more like no one wants st0rm anyways lol) [/quote] yeah your right none of the hundreds of players who signed the petition wanted to keep storm alive as it was the only real cheat free server... we are happy now to play in other servers that allow cheats
The petition just showed the rest of us who the crybabies are who need training wheels or renegade. And please, i'm 100% sure there have been times when st0rm mods were open to run around with cheats, and what happened at the last commwar? Oh yeah, Wilofag and his minions were cheating too. Please, gtfo.
Storm, cheat free? That's hilarious
^^ running 4.0 doesnt mean the owner can't cheat in other ways. giving yourself money/vehicles etc with server commands, without the opponent's knowledge and consent = cheating. indeed it's arguably worse than stuff like rgh if you really want a cheat-free gaming environment, MDK, try clanwars.
only if MDK is allowed to use flying sbh like Wilo did against RenForums
liquidv2 wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 08:44 only if MDK is allowed to use flying sbh like Wilo did against RenForums now that would be awsome . I could take a sbh stealth dump on your havoc from above rofl
Spoony wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:33 ^^ running 4.0 doesnt mean the owner can't cheat in other ways. giving yourself money/vehicles etc with server commands, without the opponent's knowledge and consent = cheating. indeed it's arguably worse than stuff like rgh if you really want a cheat-free gaming environment, MDK, try clanwars. quite a few community leaders have done that
grant89uk wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 17:24 Spoony wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:33 ^^ running 4.0 doesnt mean the owner can't cheat in other ways. giving yourself money/vehicles etc with server commands, without the opponent's knowledge and consent = cheating. indeed it's arguably worse than stuff like rgh if you really want a cheat-free gaming environment, MDK, try clanwars. quite a few community leaders have done that In a community war?
Public games I seen it back then, but in an actual "COMMUNITY WAR", no.
and they're two totally different things someone who pays for their own community, servers etc can cheat in there if they like, nothing anyone is technically entitled to do about it except not play there
I realise this is far too late, but you guys seem to have this misleading sense of justice is served thinking when all you've really done is similar to shutting down a homeless shelter owned by someone who bombed other homeless shelters. i highly doubt the people you're trying to punish care very much at all, considering they simply pulled the plug on the ren server that easily and happily announced they are gonna have a new beginning on other servers and actively encouraged people to go play minecraft or tf2.. so all you've punished are the people who enjoyed the gameplay at renegade storm server. I also don't understand why there is all this hate for the people trying to play there... does playing there somehow create ddos attacks on other servers or something? Do we become mindless supporters of evil just by playing there? Clearly no lol. As a matter of fact, most of the players didn't even know this was going on until we were rudely awakened by the harassment of players from other servers calling us terrorists before the situation was explained to us, hardly seems like we were actively committing evil acts. I'm not saying there are no bad people on storm, but this guilty by association way of thinking has got to stop. I sincerely hope this doesn't happen again for any future scandals, because this type of approach doesn't really punish or stop the ones responsible, it just brings down the number of ren players more.
If you play on a server owned by a person who attacks other Renegade server, there's something really wrong with you to put it lightly.
sigh... i'm getting a little tired of hearing this crap the reason wilo behaved the way he did for so long is very obviously because he was getting away with it for most of us, there are two reasons why we don't act like complete cunts. 1. innate sense of goodness 2. thoughts of consequences most of us are human enough to have that innate sense of goodness; unfortunately some people are sociopaths, like wilo, and that's why society needs laws too. nobody of importance in the general renegade community really wanted st0rm deleted entirely; just wanted wilo to stop going so far out of his way to e-attack everyone. the only person who wanted st0rm deleted was wilo. he had the choice between "just stop being such a cunt" or deliberately aggravate the situation as much as he could, he made his choice and the ones who suffered are people like you. stop acting like it's anybody's fault but his that this is the outcome. open your eyes and learn to recognise your enemy when you see him, cos it isn't crimson, me, liquid... it's wilo.
falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 13:21 I realise this is far too late, but you guys seem to have this misleading sense of justice is served thinking when all you've really done is similar to shutting down a homeless shelter owned by someone who bombed other homeless shelters. i highly doubt the people you're trying to punish care very much at all, considering they simply pulled the plug on the ren server that easily and happily announced they are gonna have a new beginning on other servers and actively encouraged people to go play minecraft or tf2.. so all you've punished are the people who enjoyed the gameplay at renegade storm server. I also don't understand why there is all this hate for the people trying to play there... does playing there somehow create ddos attacks on other servers or something? Do we become mindless supporters of evil just by playing there? Clearly no lol. As a matter of fact, most of the players didn't even know this was going on until we were rudely awakened by the harassment of players from other servers calling us terrorists before the situation was explained to us, hardly seems like we were actively committing evil acts. I'm not saying there are no bad people on storm, but this guilty by association way of thinking has got to stop. I sincerely hope this doesn't happen again for any future scandals, because this type of approach doesn't really punish or stop the ones responsible, it just brings down the number of ren players more. totaly spot on .. but your words are wasted here dude .thay totaly think thay are right and they can and have done no wrong. they think the same way as terrorists . we hate your leader so we bomb you peoples for liveing in his country
its funny that you recognize all the fault is with one person in this case and not everyone involved, yet at the same time a large majority of the people in charge apparently think everyone involved with storm storm is a ren terrorist or a supporter of said terrorism and try to punish them as well.. or at least harass them endlessly and insult their moral caliber in a "you're either with us or with the terrorists" type of tactic..
Yeah, I feel sorry for how many players Wilo fucked over right now.
Simply put, don't blame anyone here at Renegade forums, don't blame yourself, don't blame anyone but Wilo and his minions for ruining "your fun" at st0rm. What he did was bad enough, but the fact is he's been getting away with shit like this for long enough.
falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 13:21 I realise this is far too late, but you guys seem to have this misleading sense of justice is served thinking when all you've really done is similar to shutting down a homeless shelter owned by someone who bombed other homeless shelters. i highly doubt the people you're trying to punish care very much at all, considering they simply pulled the plug on the ren server that easily and happily announced they are gonna have a new beginning on other servers and actively encouraged people to go play minecraft or tf2.. so all you've punished are the people who enjoyed the gameplay at renegade storm server. I also don't understand why there is all this hate for the people trying to play there... does playing there somehow create ddos attacks on other servers or something? Do we become mindless supporters of evil just by playing there? Clearly no lol. As a matter of fact, most of the players didn't even know this was going on until we were rudely awakened by the harassment of players from other servers calling us terrorists before the situation was explained to us, hardly seems like we were actively committing evil acts. I'm not saying there are no bad people on storm, but this guilty by association way of thinking has got to stop. I sincerely hope this doesn't happen again for any future scandals, because this type of approach doesn't really punish or stop the ones responsible, it just brings down the number of ren players more. I said it many times and I'll say it again: Yes, taking down st0rm servers off of XWIS has dropped the playercount (at this moment, they've taken their Ren servers down, anyway). However, if they really wanted to play at st0rm, they could just use GSA and direct connect through Renlist, RR, or RenIP or any other form of direct connect. St0rm players can still play on the server, if they were dedicated enough. Here's the other side to this. Wilo made it near impossible for players to play at Jelly. His constant attacks on Jelly made it to where nobody could play a game. Now, leaving st0rm servers up on GSA was a grace for them; nobody was attacking them and they could still have players if their players wanted to connect via direct connect. Regardless of whether or not they were using DC or XWIS, Jelly players couldn't play. I feel, a little, remorse for st0rm players. But, tbh, some part of me could care less because of what Wilo did to the other communities and how those players felt. If you like Renegade as much as you probably do, you'll find another server to play in. Tbh, if you liked st0rm so much, you should have come up with a "useless" petition to remove Wilo from the throne of the st0rm community. If that happened, it's been stated numerous times that people would help out st0rm as long as Wilo is gone.
a petition to remove wilo would be utterly useless. There's no way he would agree lol. a petition to XWIS made more sense because we figured at least XWIS may try to be the bigger man. and once again... just because we played at storm, doesn't mean we support the attacks or should be punished for it... i mean.. YOU played at storm too, you know many of the players weren't involved in the bombings... you shouldn't be caring less about the loss of the server because other players suffered worse. this is just misery shared between innocents while the culprit pretty much doesn't care. and yea searching for that other renegade server now... >_> <_<
^^ Truth (@ Gohax)! Wilo had two very good options to keep his server on XWIS. Option 1: Step down as admin and let someone else take it over. Option 2: Don't attack other servers in the first damn place. He chose to attack servers and didn't care about the consequences. Well, now the consequences are here. You want to blame someone, blame him.
falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:06 a petition to remove wilo would be utterly useless. There's no way he would agree lol. a petition to XWIS made more sense because we figured at least XWIS may try to be the bigger man. firstly XWIS (if by that you mean the consensus that agreed with the sanctions) is the "bigger man" by several orders of magnitude, and you should be fucking embarrassed for implying otherwise. secondly, what the petition should have said was what i was saying to him before the XWIS ban even happened, which was "just stop being such a cunt wilo, that's all you've got to do". if you all signed that, given how much damage WILO (not crimson, not liquid, not spoony) was doing to st0rm, then the best-case scenario is wilo finally realises what a destructive little boy he is and changes his ways. if he didn't take heed of that (which is probably the more likely, given his obvious mental problems), it would completely discredit him among his own community, make the st0rm players finally see what's obvious to the rest of us. Quote: and once again... just because we played at storm, doesn't mean we support the attacks or should be punished for it... cheer up then, because you haven't been punished for it. not by anyone here, that is.
drop the care trolling, the fuck is wrong with you dude. all people wanted is for the flooding to stop, which wilo didn't want so he sacrificed his own community being a backstabbing little mean lady. he also threatened to kill his ex-girlfriend and induced a miscarriage in her unborn fetus
Spoony wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:12 falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:06 a petition to remove wilo would be utterly useless. There's no way he would agree lol. a petition to XWIS made more sense because we figured at least XWIS may try to be the bigger man. firstly XWIS (if by that you mean the consensus that agreed with the sanctions) is the "bigger man" by several orders of magnitude, and you should be fucking embarrassed for implying otherwise. sorry. I did not mean it that way. I meant we know XWIS is the bigger man by several orders of magnitude, so there was hope that they may just be that big to listen to a petition. I did not in any way mean that XWIS is on the same level as wilo.
You should just give up. You apparently have been isolated from Renegade's actual community and are getting a baptism by fire from those of us who didn't only play in one server for a few years.
good, choose your phrasing more carefully in future.
If I give up here aircraftkiller, my fear is that somewhere far down the road, when I've found another renegade server to play on... there may be some scandal with the owner again and this will repeat itself. Hence my repeated pleas for people to try and find another way to deal with such matters in the future in a way that tries its best to avoid resulting in server shutdowns.
falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:38 If I give up here aircraftkiller, my fear is that somewhere far down the road, when I've found another renegade server to play on... there may be some scandal with the owner again and this will repeat itself. Hence my repeated pleas for people to try and find another way to deal with such matters in the future in a way that tries its best to avoid resulting in server shutdowns.
falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:38 If I give up here aircraftkiller, my fear is that somewhere far down the road, when I've found another renegade server to play on... there may be some scandal with the owner again and this will repeat itself. Hence my repeated pleas for people to try and find another way to deal with such matters in the future in a way that tries its best to avoid resulting in server shutdowns. it's less likely to happen again now that we've seen the outcome. it probably would happen again if we carried on the old system of letting scum like wilo do whatever they like.
I guess I'm a little disappointed to learn that st0rm has been taken off the xwis game listings, as I have never liked connecting to a renegade server via a 3rd party client. I never used to like st0rm server, i always disliked how it was heavily modified. Prior to scripts 4.0 release, i was on a break from renegade. I got sick of the lack of teamwork (which is what i miss in renegade from the early days) and people wanting to just arty whore all game, making every game the same. I followed scripts 4.0 development, and when scripts 4.0 was released , st0rm was the only mainstream server to utilise them. So i decided to play there. Also wanting to play Fjords was appealing too. When i joined, i found that a lot of the stupid modifications were removed, a couple remained. But mods such as the veteran system proved to be fresh and fun during those long marathon games, and there actually was a lot of teamwork in the majority of games, with lots of good players. Games were highly enjoyable. Now it's gone, I'm not sure what server to play in, namely one that uses scripts 4. Jelly has always been the alternative, but it's always been slightly laggy for me, and there seems to be alot of n00bs that arty whore all game, with little teamwork. I have no care for all this drama...yes wilo is an ass for what he did, and i understand he has pissed off heaps of people. But it would seem some people here are getting angry at others that haven't done anything. What i care for is just playing a good game of renegade, and i really think, especially renegade being 10 years old and how many of us are left, this entire community should really band together, and try and run things simultaneously. Not be so divided. just my 2 cents, sorry for the essay.
sterps wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:48 What i care for is just playing a good game of renegade, and i really think, especially renegade being 10 years old and how many of us are left, this entire community should really band together the response to wilo is a rare occasion of the general renegade community doing just that.
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iRANian wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 16:47 very cool chatbox 01/03/2012 13:53 <NeoGrant> Cancer. 01/03/2012 13:34 <NeoGrant> hi 01/03/2012 13:34 <NeoGrant> Sup hoe who's chat box is that ?
might be the same one as this Quote: 01/03/2012 18:53 <MDK> maybe so but like hell I am going to back down to them .not in my nature...the likes of spoony think he can make me go away or shut up no way . I eat nottingham muppets for breakfast tbh i feel kinda sorry for you, you've obviously got something wrong with you btw i don't care whether you go away or not, you can make a fool of yourself on forums all you like for all i care
I eat nottingham muppets for breakfast LMFAOOOO!!!
sterps wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 17:48 But mods such as the veteran system proved to be fresh and fun during those long marathon games, and there actually was a lot of teamwork in the majority of games, with lots of good players. Games were highly enjoyable. Now it's gone, I'm not sure what server to play in, namely one that uses scripts 4. Then you'll enjoy Atomix AOW considering the mod that was ran on St0rm was my mod that was ran on Atomix before I shut it down. I re-opened it when I left st0rm. And also, we use scripts 4.0. sterps wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 17:48 Jelly has always been the alternative, but it's always been slightly laggy for me, and there seems to be alot of n00bs that arty whore all game, with little teamwork. Jelly has its times where the noobs come out and play. Overall if you want something close to pure ren, it's either Jelly or noobstories. sterps wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 17:48 What i care for is just playing a good game of renegade, and i really think, especially renegade being 10 years old and how many of us are left, this entire community should really band together, and try and run things simultaneously. Not be so divided. That's what we're doing. We're all connected in some way. The only thing is we diversed ourself away from st0rm due to Wilo being the sorrounding of it. If people really wanted to fix their issue, they would of voted Wilo off, he could of stepped down peacefully, or he shouldn't of fucked other people over in the first place.