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WBC
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description: http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/index.html?hpt=T1 Good for AZ.
creator: Muad Dib15
date: 2011-01-13T07:11:55-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: Muad Dib15 wrote on Wed, 12 January 2011 23:11 http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/index.html?hpt=T1 Good for AZ. It's good to know that there's always Kansas to step in and remind Arizona that there are other states whose residents are more retarded than theirs.
creator: Dover
date: 2011-01-13T14:48:04-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: Does that ban protests related to the deceased? Or just protests in general?
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2011-01-13T19:24:15-00:00

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description: The former I think. Quote: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed emergency legislation Tuesday that bars protests within 300 feet of a funeral and within an hour from its beginning or end.
creator: Altzan
date: 2011-01-13T22:22:32-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: looks like toronto did something good for once http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2011/01/12/tucson-funeral-westboro-baptis t.html also here's her talking lol she is crazy http://www.edge.ca/DJsandShows/TheDeanBlundellShow/Audio.aspx
creator: nope.avi
date: 2011-01-15T01:18:26-00:00

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description: nope.avi wrote on Fri, 14 January 2011 19:18 also here's her talking lol she is crazy http://www.edge.ca/DJsandShows/TheDeanBlundellShow/Audio.aspx There's a special place in Hell reserved for people like this woman. Ha ha! 'Duty.'
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2011-01-15T01:26:54-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: Now wait a second, wait a second, wait a second. Hold your horses here for a moment. You're going to have to excuse my ignorance on this matter because it's the first I've heard of it. Let me get this straight; There is a serial shooter on the loose... and these people are not only supporting him, but they are rubbing the death of the victims in the faces of their friends and families? Because they think GOD sent the SHOOTER?! Holy crap, I really wish I could meet this person. I know exactly what I want to say to her after I slap her across the face. If a mythical place like hell does exist, it is in no way sufficient enough for this thing of a person.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2011-01-15T02:59:24-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: 300 feet is nothing. Increase to 3000.
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2011-01-15T22:29:25-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: Those people are the sickest people you will meet. It should be if they take one step within 300 feet, shoot them on the spot. Those people that do the stuff that church does, doesn't deserve to live.
creator: Duck
date: 2011-01-15T22:48:37-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: one man's fanatic is another man's moderate. an islamic jihadist would consider the WBC to be soppy liberals; they match the bin laden types in murderous loathing, but stop short of doing the violence themselves. and a couple of centuries ago the WBC's views were positively mainstream.
creator: Spoony
date: 2011-01-16T06:13:31-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: God is no longer a symbol of hope and redemption, he is now a scapegoat to use when the law is broken. Murder someone? It's OK, God told me to do it.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2011-01-16T06:51:37-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: White Big Cocks?
creator: InternetThug
date: 2011-02-01T05:05:11-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: Yes.
creator: snpr1101
date: 2011-02-01T07:27:50-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 15 January 2011 23:51 God is no longer a symbol of hope and redemption, he is now a scapegoat to use when the law is broken. Murder someone? It's OK, God told me to do it. People who do not know God, and choose to utilize his name in vein as an excuse for actions that are wrong, are ill and dillusional. People like this, should be struck down with lightning and evaporated into fine dust for such an act.
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2011-02-03T00:46:03-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: if there is a god and he minds that sort of thing, it's hard to tell, isn't it? if the bible really came from a god, isn't it a rather incompetent revelation? couldn't he have done it so that it couldn't be "used as an excuse for actions that are wrong"? ...and so that it wouldn't result in thousands of different versions of christianity, at least some of whom despise each other and have persecuted each other when they had the power? are you saying the WBC are insincere? doesn't seem that way to me. the WBC's views, despicable as they are, are rooted in the bible. there's much more supporting the WBC theology than there is supporting the 'rapture', for example. but you said they're "ill and delusional", in which case is it just to kill them for it?
creator: Spoony
date: 2011-02-03T01:56:57-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: Dave Anderson wrote on Wed, 02 February 2011 19:46 R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 15 January 2011 23:51 God is no longer a symbol of hope and redemption, he is now a scapegoat to use when the law is broken. Murder someone? It's OK, God told me to do it. People who do not know God, and choose to utilize his name in vein as an excuse for actions that are wrong, are ill and dillusional. People like this, should be struck down with lightning and evaporated into fine dust for such an act. Sorry but... umm, are you talking about me or the type of person I was talking about?
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2011-02-03T04:41:16-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: The type of person you were talking about - There are those who do things that are not acceptable, who truly believe that what they are doing is right. For example, the individuals who hijacked planes and kamakazi'd our World Trade Centers. While what they did is not right, by any means; these individuals probably honestly and truly believed in what they were doing. There are those who truly believe they speak with God, and are told to do things. These people may seem logical and rational in their decisions and explanations of their actions - whilst others; the type I am moreso referencing, will use it as a scapegoat, and don't actually have any solid foundation for such actions. Quote: if there is a god and he minds that sort of thing, it's hard to tell, isn't it? if the bible really came from a god, isn't it a rather incompetent revelation? The bible did not "come from 'a' God". It is a collection of historical documents and writings written by various individuals across the world during those time periods. Quote: couldn't he have done it so that it couldn't be "used as an excuse for actions that are wrong"? ...and so that it wouldn't result in thousands of different versions of christianity, at least some of whom despise each other and have persecuted each other when they had the power? He could have done many things. I could paint my car Black, White, or Pink. I could make toast or waffles. There is some line people have to accept that they simply do not know the answers things - and on some level an explanation may be beyond the comprehension of the human mind; everything we speak of, discuss, revolves around some physical element, or mechanics that is explained by some other physical element or mechanics. There are some things we just cannot answer, because it is beyond the intelligence of the capacity of the mind. Also, I don't "believe" or "agree" with "religion". To me, it is just a way of categorizing people into groups to say who is right, and who is wron…
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2011-02-03T06:30:52-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: The Bible is the inspired word of the judeo-christian God (or so we were told). If it was merely a "collection of historical documents and writings written by various individuals across the world during those time periods," then there would have been no need of it at all. Only because it was inspired by "God" was why it was known as the Holy Bible. Modernist Christianity is full of reductionism and "God" has become the warm and fuzzy "feel good" force for its modern believers. Once again, this is harly surprising at all as the religion is modifying itself and presenting a presentable image to fit in with the modern challenges it faces. I can be glad I got to deal with the knife's edge of the truer form of the religion and see it for what it is. Here's an article that was written back in August specifically addressing people who follow such reductionist wrong versions of Christianity: http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/08/27/almost.christian/index.html?hpt=T2 It's spot on its first few paragraphs. However, since it was written by a theologist, it is extremely biased. Dave Anderson wrote on Wed, 02 February 2011 23:30 He could have done many things. I could paint my car Black, White, or Pink. I could make toast or waffles. There is some line people have to accept that they simply do not know the answers things - and on some level an explanation may be beyond the comprehension of the human mind; everything we speak of, discuss, revolves around some physical element, or mechanics that is explained by some other physical element or mechanics. There are some things we just cannot answer, because it is beyond the intelligence of the capacity of the mind. This is an "argument from the gaps" where anything unknown to us yet, the gaps, is filled with a god of anyone's choosing. Dave Anderson wrote on Wed, 02 February 2011 23:30 You can only know God by seeking him out yourself, and finding the truth. If they allowed me to do that when I was 8 years old (and I was on the right tra…
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2011-02-03T13:56:04-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: Dave Anderson wrote on Wed, 02 February 2011 23:30 The type of person you were talking about - There are those who do things that are not acceptable, who truly believe that what they are doing is right. For example, the individuals who hijacked planes and kamakazi'd our World Trade Centers. While what they did is not right, by any means; these individuals probably honestly and truly believed in what they were doing. There are those who truly believe they speak with God, and are told to do things. This is all correct apart from "what they did is not right by any means". Any civilised, moral person knows it's wrong. The law says it's wrong. But their religion says it's right. Quote: Quote: if there is a god and he minds that sort of thing, it's hard to tell, isn't it? if the bible really came from a god, isn't it a rather incompetent revelation? The bible did not "come from 'a' God". It is a collection of historical documents and writings written by various individuals across the world during those time periods. i've never been under the impression that any 'god' had anything to do with the compilation of the bible, but that's what we're incessantly told. if you want to say it was just written by men who - when they claimed to know very specific things about a particular God - were lying or crazy or just repeating rumours they'd heard, you might be on to something... Quote: Quote: couldn't he have done it so that it couldn't be "used as an excuse for actions that are wrong"? ...and so that it wouldn't result in thousands of different versions of christianity, at least some of whom despise each other and have persecuted each other when they had the power? He could have done many things. I could paint my car Black, White, or Pink. I could make toast or waffles. There is some line people have to accept that they simply do not know the answers things - and on some level an explanation may be beyond the comprehension of the human mind; everything we speak of, discuss, revo…
creator: Spoony
date: 2011-02-03T15:11:56-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: Quote: The Bible is the inspired word of the judeo-christian God (or so we were told). If it was merely a "collection of historical documents and writings written by various individuals across the world during those time periods," then there would have been no need of it at all. Only because it was inspired by "God" was why it was known as the Holy Bible. Yes, it's true that each book is God inspired, but that doesn't change the fact that they are still historical writings by individuals during those time periods. At any rate, I am not here to debate a technicality on ones defining interpretation of the definition of the Bible. Quote: This is all correct apart from "what they did is not right by any means". Any civilised, moral person knows it's wrong. The law says it's wrong. But their religion says it's right. I don't speak for anyone, except for myself. "By any means", is by my standards and principles. I agree with you that in their religion, what they did would be "right" in this context; no disagreement. Quote: i've never been under the impression that any 'god' had anything to do with the compilation of the bible, but that's what we're incessantly told. if you want to say it was just written by men who - when they claimed to know very specific things about a particular God - were lying or crazy or just repeating rumours they'd heard, you might be on to something... Any 'god' does not have a relation or correlation to the Bible by default. Again, I agree. People take the word 'god' and automatically tie it to the Bible, but fail to realize that there is more than one context. There are even scriptures in the Bible (I cannot reference off-hand), that there are multiple Gods, but that we should only worship our one true God. Again, a lot of this is up for interpretation and understanding. If you do not believe in God pretty much all of this means absolutely nothing to you. It's probably a fairy tail in your mind. However, for those with strong faith they do stud…
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2011-02-04T02:54:09-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: Dave Anderson wrote on Thu, 03 February 2011 19:54 Yes, it's true that each book is God inspired, but that doesn't change the fact that they are still historical writings by individuals during those time periods. At any rate, I am not here to debate a technicality on ones defining interpretation of the definition of the Bible. I too am not here to "debate a technicality on ones defining interpretation of the definition of the Bible." Merely making a very simple note on what I have been told all along as to what the bible is. Jeez. If the book is "God inspired" nothing else matters; you didn't even have to mention that they were historical writings by people living in those time periods. It becomes the word of god; no questions asked. I wonder why this exercise was necessary. Dave Anderson wrote on Thu, 03 February 2011 19:54 If you do not believe in God pretty much all of this means absolutely nothing to you. It's probably a fairy tail in your mind. However, for those with strong faith they do study and find understanding that makes the most sense to them. I have had plenty of opportunity to meet such people of "strong faith they do study and find understanding that makes the most sense to them." Some are oridinary believers. But more appropriately, they are the so-called "professionals" in the field of "theology." After I announced my atheism to my family in May 2009, they feared for my soul and using their vast network of church connections, were able to invite and bring in the most "accomplished" theologians to try to save my soul. They took time off their busy schedules to come to the home and try to "reason" with me. You seem to imply that these seminary-educated fools (I am sincerely sorry) know something the rest of us don't. You may even think of them as some sort of elite cream that understand god and the universe better than the common believer. I am sorry to disappoint but I was amazed to see that such people, the ones claimed to have "strong faith that s…
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2011-02-04T06:18:04-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: Everything you wrote is a result of your experience in life, and nobody elses. Thus, leading you to believe what you do, and set the foundation for the principles by which you live. Point being, belief is through experience; your experience. No one is going to change what you have been through, how you feel, or what you believe except for yourself. No one can tell you God exists and make you believe it. Not a single Christian, or servant of God can sit down and say "this is why I believe in God and why you should reconsider your beliefs". That is utter crap. These people may not be the smartest people in the world, but through their own experiences in life they have come to know God, and form that relationship. Someone's relationship with God, is not something that can be explained to anyone else. They understand it because it is their own. My only advice to you is do not condemn a person for believing what they do. Understand that they believe what they do as a result of their own life experiences. Just as they do not understand what you have been through in life, you don't understand their experiences either. Being told an experience is one thing, but being that person and living it is inexcusably different. It is not elitism for providing advice to seek out knowledge from other people then who you are around. Any intelligent being knows that if you are honest and legitimate about learning something, that you would truly utilize all of your resources, and take in information from every input you can find, up until the point where you can make a self educated decision for yourself. Many of my close friends are true athiests, and I couldn't name a friend of mine who actually has a relationship with God as an active part of their life. I am not here to pick apart everything you say to disprove it, or insult your intelligence and/or beliefs. I can tell you all day long that God exists, but that does not accomplish anything. Spoony reminds me of a few of my close frien…
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2011-02-04T07:44:51-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: Dave Anderson wrote on Thu, 03 February 2011 19:54 Quote: you're trying to create a mystery where none exists. seems to me that either the prophets who claimed to have received "revelations" from this god were lying or crazy, or if it's true, then the god was incompetent. The dumbest person on this forum could have done a better job of it. Really hoped with as intelligent as you seem on a forum board you would have come up with a better explanation of what you mean, other than, again.., referencing the people as "crazy or lying". Don't really know what to say to you here.. sorry to hear that. Quote: Quote: I remember you saying this before; you went on to say that "the entire book of Exodus is scientifically proven". I hope you don't still think that? Big statement, right? The entire book being scientifcally proven? A poor remark on my part, let me divulge. Many events in the book of Exodus, and many things that were referenced such as the battle, cherriot's, location/etc, were found by scientists, and many things that were stated in the book were to be confirmed to exist, or confirmed to have happened. It's a big book, and it is a poor remark to say the entire thing is scientifcally proven, because in my mind I was thinking only of the physical things they were able to resolve scientifcally. However, this does not account for the rest of many of hundreds of words in that book. Better. Suppose in a thousand years' time, after a nuclear war or something and the collapse of big chunks of our current civilisation, people find a Spiderman comic. This superhero who supposedly lives in New York. Then they find the rubble of New York. Finding out that New York was real doesn't prove much about the existence of Spiderman, does it? Quote: Quote: Like a stalker? Again, don't really have anything to say here.. yeah. it's one of those comments that probably sounds better in the mind of the theist saying it than the atheist hearing it. it's like when a christian says god is alwa…
creator: Spoony
date: 2011-02-04T09:39:36-00:00

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description: Quote: Better. Suppose in a thousand years' time, after a nuclear war or something and the collapse of big chunks of our current civilisation, people find a Spiderman comic. This superhero who supposedly lives in New York. Then they find the rubble of New York. Finding out that New York was real doesn't prove much about the existence of Spiderman, does it? It most certainly does not. In my scenario they were able to confirm the initial event took place; specifics may or may not be confirmed to have existed or be factual, as in your example they could at least confirm some catastrophic event happened to New York and confirm the time frame and event itself occurred. Quote: fine. then we're faced with the very large number of people who are convinced that hell is a real place of horrific torture, and that you'll go there forever just for not being the right religion, and who spout this poisonous bullshit not just to adults like myself who can logically defend themself but to children. I most certainly agree. While I accept the fact that Heaven and Hell could be actual 'things' or 'places', I also accept the fact that I simply do not know. They might not exist at all, may be referencing something else we do not understand, or even something we do not yet know about. However, people who act as if they know that Hell is most certainly a physical or spiritual realm where we go when we die; treat this as fact, are blind to the reality that they may be completely wrong. The one thing I absolutely hate is something being taught as fact, when in all actuality we really don't know the answer yet. Quote: Really, everyone? Bin Laden, for example? Absolutely. Even myself for example, looking at this 'bmr_71' who comes across completely idiotic, immature, and someone who probably cannot hold an adult conversation with someone with an intelligence factor or IQ above 10, I can still say as a person I love him. I often find myself observing others sometimes, thinking that some of thes…
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2011-02-07T00:41:09-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: Dave Anderson wrote on Fri, 04 February 2011 00:44 Everything you wrote is a result of your experience in life, and nobody elses. Thus, leading you to believe what you do, and set the foundation for the principles by which you live. Your entire post is based on the wrong premise that atheism is a belief system. You can't make a entirely wrong statement such as above when you yourself don't seem to understand what atheism is or what the concept of reason is. It doesn't work this way. Regardless of what we think, the truth will be constant. Is the earth flat? We now know it is not. Is the earth the centre of the universe? We now know it is not. See, the answers will always be out there but our attitude to the question is crucial to us finding them. With a theistic attitude of upholding dogma, the answers will NEVER be found. How many times have you repeated the same thing over and over again? I have trimmed the possibilities according to probability, historical record, and fostered a healthy attitude that is ready to include more evidence as it becomes available. I came to the conclusion I hold now thru intellectual curiosity; a need to find a better explanation because the old one (yours) didn't make any. i.e, initial questioning and doubts arose not due to life experience, but thru seeing the fallacy presented to me as fact. Your statement doesn't hold. I was less than 10 years old when I began doubting the christian concept of the soul after observing birds, for example. Sure did take a lot of life experience to ask that question at such an early age, huh? My point is, I came to my position using reasoning whereas, a believer would be more motivated by the "struggles" in their lives and the need for some sort of emotional anchor to hang on to. The belief systems essentially simplify AND personify the unknowns of the universe into a male-gendered "God" with a capital G also referred to as "Lord" and provides a cosmic friend-in-need during times of doubt and fear. I …
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2011-02-07T08:13:09-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: Quote: Your entire post is based on the wrong premise that atheism is a belief system. I really don't know why you keep thinking we are discussing atheism itself, or that my posts are even regarding atheism.
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2011-02-07T12:37:52-00:00

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description: Dave Anderson wrote on Sun, 06 February 2011 17:41 It most certainly does not. In my scenario they were able to confirm the initial event took place; specifics may or may not be confirmed to have existed or be factual, as in your example they could at least confirm some catastrophic event happened to New York and confirm the time frame and event itself occurred. but if the initial event was nothing supernatural at all, something that could have happened for a variety of reasons (human design, accident, etc)... Quote: Quote: fine. then we're faced with the very large number of people who are convinced that hell is a real place of horrific torture, and that you'll go there forever just for not being the right religion, and who spout this poisonous bullshit not just to adults like myself who can logically defend themself but to children. I most certainly agree. While I accept the fact that Heaven and Hell could be actual 'things' or 'places', I also accept the fact that I simply do not know. They might not exist at all, may be referencing something else we do not understand, or even something we do not yet know about. However, people who act as if they know that Hell is most certainly a physical or spiritual realm where we go when we die; treat this as fact, are blind to the reality that they may be completely wrong. The one thing I absolutely hate is something being taught as fact, when in all actuality we really don't know the answer yet. glad to hear this. we've gotten rid of slavery, we've nearly gotten rid of racism (not there yet but we've gotten rid of the worst of it) - if i have my way the next thing to go will be Hell. it certainly ought to; it's an appalling thing to say to someone, and it's usually directed at either children or sick/old/dying people, and it's completely contrary to the idea of freedom of religion. i.e. that a person should be able to believe what they believe without threats and bullying if it's not the right thing according to someone els…
creator: Spoony
date: 2011-02-07T13:34:26-00:00

Re: WBC
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description: Dave Anderson wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 05:37 Quote: Your entire post is based on the wrong premise that atheism is a belief system. I really don't know why you keep thinking we are discussing atheism itself, or that my posts are even regarding atheism. We weren't. I was never under the impression we were. It is a mere state of looking at things from my view; nothing else. I did reply to everything you have to say and why exactly I can't take it, didn't I? If this will be your response, I stand by it. It was good talking with you and I say that sincerely.
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2011-02-07T14:29:03-00:00