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don't ask don't tell
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description: some progress... http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/12/15/gays.in.military/index.html?hpt=T2 Read the idiotic comments by some conservative politicians lol: Quote: This is "an imposition of somebody's social agenda," said Rep. Todd Akin, R-Missouri. It's an "eclipse of reason, an eclipse of common sense." I wonder whose "social agenda" it was to make this into law in the first place? Quote: Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-California. This is "a liberal crusade to create a utopia." And someone tell me how is it wrong to try to remake our shit society into something where everyone can be amicable towards each other? Liberal crusade to create a utopia...wow these folks are blinded by their sheer arrogance.
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2010-12-16T18:07:46-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: I was reading a couple days ago, that Russian intelligence still uses 'Honey Traps' as they remain the most effective method of seducing, and extracting information from hapless dudes. Repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell would be a huge national security advantage for the US. Once the military knows who bats for the same team, those people can be the ones entrusted with sensitive information, and would be impossible to seduce, thus ruining fifty years of cold war expertise on the part of the Russians. Best part of all! Russian dudes are fucking ugly. No way they'd be able seduce dudes on our home team.
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2010-12-16T19:29:46-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Lol. As far as the thread goes though, I never understood why it is considered 'bad' to be a homosexual... in any context. Someone want to elaborate that for me?
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-12-16T20:23:48-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Because God said so.
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2010-12-16T20:30:38-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: the argument against christians serving in the military is a lot stronger than the argument against homosexuals serving in the military, and yet nobody says christians can't serve in the military.
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-12-16T22:35:03-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 13:29 I was reading a couple days ago, that Russian intelligence still uses 'Honey Traps' as they remain the most effective method of seducing, and extracting information from hapless dudes. Repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell would be a huge national security advantage for the US. Once the military knows who bats for the same team, those people can be the ones entrusted with sensitive information, and would be impossible to seduce, thus ruining fifty years of cold war expertise on the part of the Russians. Best part of all! Russian dudes are fucking ugly. No way they'd be able seduce dudes on our home team. I dunno, those Russians do have some fancy scarfs and turtlenecks that they could wave around.
creator: snpr1101
date: 2010-12-17T01:17:42-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 15:23 Lol. As far as the thread goes though, I never understood why it is considered 'bad' to be a homosexual... in any context. Someone want to elaborate that for me? It is against God's will. Please think before you post, sinner.
creator: bmr_71
date: 2010-12-17T02:54:48-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: bmr_71 wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 21:54 R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 15:23 Lol. As far as the thread goes though, I never understood why it is considered 'bad' to be a homosexual... in any context. Someone want to elaborate that for me? It is against God's will. Please think before you post, sinner. Who is God? Was he important? How did he die? He must have been a pretty big deal type guy to be allowed that kind of decree in his will...
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-12-17T03:12:17-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: God is our creator. All those who stand against him shall perish.
creator: bmr_71
date: 2010-12-17T05:46:08-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 11:29 Best part of all! Russian dudes are fucking ugly. No way they'd be able seduce dudes on our home team. But they have big guns and sandviches. Some dudes are into that.
creator: Dover
date: 2010-12-17T07:19:32-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: bmr_71 wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 22:46 God is our creator. All those who stand against him shall perish. Actually everyone will perish at some point.
creator: Crimson
date: 2010-12-17T12:49:22-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Crimson wrote on Fri, 17 December 2010 06:49 bmr_71 wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 22:46 God is our creator. All those who stand against him shall perish. Actually everyone will perish at some point. Don't do it...
creator: snpr1101
date: 2010-12-17T14:08:58-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 21:12 bmr_71 wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 21:54 R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 15:23 Lol. As far as the thread goes though, I never understood why it is considered 'bad' to be a homosexual... in any context. Someone want to elaborate that for me? It is against God's will. Please think before you post, sinner. Who is God? Was he important? How did he die? He must have been a pretty big deal type guy to be allowed that kind of decree in his will... Who's your idol? The tiny japanese dude who created the stupid anime in your avatar? Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve... bitches.
creator: InternetThug
date: 2010-12-17T15:34:40-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Crimson wrote on Fri, 17 December 2010 07:49 bmr_71 wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 22:46 God is our creator. All those who stand against him shall perish. Actually everyone will perish at some point. Only the sinners and nonbelievers.
creator: bmr_71
date: 2010-12-17T16:53:50-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: bmr_71 wrote on Fri, 17 December 2010 10:53 Crimson wrote on Fri, 17 December 2010 07:49 bmr_71 wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 22:46 God is our creator. All those who stand against him shall perish. Actually everyone will perish at some point. Only the sinners and nonbelievers. Oh wow.
creator: Altzan
date: 2010-12-17T18:09:08-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: M0FiR3 wrote on Fri, 17 December 2010 10:34 R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 21:12 bmr_71 wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 21:54 R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 15:23 Lol. As far as the thread goes though, I never understood why it is considered 'bad' to be a homosexual... in any context. Someone want to elaborate that for me? It is against God's will. Please think before you post, sinner. Who is God? Was he important? How did he die? He must have been a pretty big deal type guy to be allowed that kind of decree in his will... Who's your idol? The tiny japanese dude who created the stupid anime in your avatar? Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve... bitches. I don't worship anyone if that's what you're implying.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-12-17T19:30:19-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: I should indicate that despite the normal quality of posting from certain individuals who have posted in this topic, I do believe they are being intentionally humorous, and succeeding! (TL;DR: Nothing in here is flaming nor trolling, yet)
creator: CarrierII
date: 2010-12-17T20:22:15-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 17 December 2010 13:30 M0FiR3 wrote on Fri, 17 December 2010 10:34 R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 21:12 bmr_71 wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 21:54 R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 15:23 Lol. As far as the thread goes though, I never understood why it is considered 'bad' to be a homosexual... in any context. Someone want to elaborate that for me? It is against God's will. Please think before you post, sinner. Who is God? Was he important? How did he die? He must have been a pretty big deal type guy to be allowed that kind of decree in his will... Who's your idol? The tiny japanese dude who created the stupid anime in your avatar? Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve... bitches. I don't worship anyone if that's what you're implying. I worship you, even though I know your wrong... don't ask
creator: Pyr0man1c
date: 2010-12-17T21:41:28-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: CarrierII wrote on Fri, 17 December 2010 15:22 I should indicate that despite the normal quality of posting from certain individuals who have posted in this topic, I do believe they are being intentionally humorous, and succeeding! (TL;DR: Nothing in here is flaming nor trolling, yet) That's what trolling is... haha.
creator: Tunaman
date: 2010-12-18T11:33:51-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: I think God's a pretty cool guy. He made the world and dosnt afraid of of anybody
creator: bmr_71
date: 2010-12-18T16:16:29-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: If God can do anything, can he create something so incredibly heavy that not even he can lift?
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-12-18T20:12:17-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 18 December 2010 15:12 If God can do anything, can he create something so incredibly heavy that not even he can lift? Wow, what a test of intelligence that question is. I hope it isn't one that you frequent when arguing your case for atheism. You got trolled, and you're not very smart. Me > Your feelings of superiority resulting from your lack of faith < your stupidity. FYI I'm atheist too.
creator: bmr_71
date: 2010-12-18T20:19:47-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Renegade is the most unique game ever. It's so easy to troll fags in forums, public servers, etc. it's ridiculous. That's why I was part of clanwars, because after all the trash talking and bitching at least people aren't morons or stupidly gullible.
creator: bmr_71
date: 2010-12-18T20:23:06-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Two things: 1. I'm not an atheist. 2. I'm not arguing you, I'm asking you a question. Regardless of what you believe, I wanted to know how you would answer that.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-12-18T20:57:39-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 18 December 2010 14:12 If God can do anything, can he create something so incredibly heavy that not even he can lift? That depends upon whether you believe that god can do the logically impossible or not. It wouldn't be unreasonable to answer that by saying yes, he could, but we wouldn't be able to understand how. But then... Yep, I though we were talking about homosexuals in the army? Btw if god was going to make something too heavy for him to lift, it would probably be a chain.
creator: Pyr0man1c
date: 2010-12-18T21:34:42-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Anyway, back on topic. What God says is right or wrong should not come into the picture. This is because religion is not supposed to interfere with government regulations. Freedom isn't free, if you want to live here, there are somethings that you have to be subjected to. Being gay can just be used as a loophole for people to avoid being drafted. And besides, on top of that, wouldn't not allowing homosexuals in the army weaken the military's strength?
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-12-18T22:50:02-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: WE ALL REALISE RELIGION IS DUMB THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME
creator: Herr Surth
date: 2010-12-18T22:54:20-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: successful troll is successful Also, repealing it won't exactly make everyone accept homosexuality in the military. Just throwing that out there.
creator: GEORGE ZIMMER
date: 2010-12-21T06:57:23-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Whether or not some, or even most folks will accept gays in the military is a moot point. In case you haven't been keeping up with the news, it's a done deal- as good as repealed the moment it gets to the Oval Office for signing. Acceptance has a way of coming in its own good time. If you were to wait until everyone accepts gays in order to extend them equal protection of the laws, including open service in the military, it would never happen. Remember that there are still bigoted fuckwads who would rather there not be any blacks or hispanics or asians in the military... and racial integration happened under President Truman, a good two decades before rulings like Brown vs. Board of Ed. made segregated public services illegal. Took people a while to accept that one, didn't it? Well, it'll take people a while to accept gays too. Probably less of a while, all things considered. The "gay or no gay" issue has always had religious roots, and religion should never have been a factor in policy-making to begin with. "But then everyone will have to change and get used to the idea of knowing who's gay" is not a valid counter-argument. Servicemen have never had the option of picking and choosing who to serve with. Yes, it will make the fundies get all butthurt and pissy, but... honestly? Fuck 'em. Some of my best friends are gay, and the thought of them being shat upon because they don't like the opposite sex just kinda pisses me off.
creator: NukeIt15
date: 2010-12-21T07:46:26-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: yeah, it's a done deal! The homophobes are cornered now. Quote: "Gay and lesbian service members -- brave Americans who enable our freedoms -- will no longer have to hide who they are," Obama said in an e-mailed statement to supporters. "The fight for civil rights, a struggle that continues, will no longer include this one." you gotta love this President. It's nice to see that homosexual people don't have to play a double-life anymore to homophobic christian pricks who love to control others. I am very happy for this as this is one of the longest nails that have been hammered yet into the lid of the coffin of the dead and dying rotting religion known as christianity.
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2010-12-21T11:38:23-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Starbuzzz wrote on Tue, 21 December 2010 05:38 I am very happy for this as this is one of the longest nails that have been hammered yet into the lid of the coffin of the dead and dying rotting religion known as christianity. orly
creator: snpr1101
date: 2010-12-21T13:15:44-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: snpr1101 wrote on Tue, 21 December 2010 07:15 Starbuzzz wrote on Tue, 21 December 2010 05:38 I am very happy for this as this is one of the longest nails that have been hammered yet into the lid of the coffin of the dead and dying rotting religion known as christianity. orly Considering the crapload of idiotic old testament laws that christians today conveniently disregard or ignore, this latest ruling is a massive setback for them as the law against homosexuality is one among few of the idiotic OT rules christians still trumpet around. So I would say a big, "ya rly!" with the owl picture but won't.
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2010-12-21T13:42:06-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 18 December 2010 16:50 What God says is right or wrong should not come into the picture. This is because religion is not supposed to interfere with government regulations.
creator: Altzan
date: 2010-12-21T18:50:49-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: The policy was merely inspired by religion.
creator: Pyr0man1c
date: 2010-12-21T19:10:23-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: i don't think this benefits gays or homosexuals .. they're still going to take shit lmao not like everyones going to be like oh you're gay? that's cool wtih me cause DONT ASK DONT TELL GOT REPEALED ... i don't know why you think this is such a huge step forward lmao ... you're obviously democratic starbuzz but come on hahah you think they're not going to still get made fun of for being in the military? there was a reason dont ask dont tell was in place in the beginning .. it's because people generally still aren't accepting of homosexuals and it was to protect them .. this will probably make it worse for them .. but whatever
creator: InternetThug
date: 2010-12-21T22:20:23-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: M0FiR3 wrote on Tue, 21 December 2010 17:20 i don't think this benefits gays or homosexuals .. they're still going to take shit lmao not like everyones going to be like oh you're gay? that's cool wtih me cause DONT ASK DONT TELL GOT REPEALED ... i don't know why you think this is such a huge step forward lmao ... you're obviously democratic starbuzz but come on hahah you think they're not going to still get made fun of for being in the military? there was a reason dont ask dont tell was in place in the beginning .. it's because people generally still aren't accepting of homosexuals and it was to protect them .. this will probably make it worse for them .. but whatever That's not the point. They don't need your elitist sympathy or protection. It was their choice to live that way and they have to live with that responsibility. That means defending their own life style. It isn't about people 'getting made fun of' it's about what they can and can't legally do. There is no logical means to deny a person entry to the military just because they are gay. What difference does it make? How will a gay soldier cause any functionality issues in the military? The military will work so long as its soldiers are disciplined enough. What difference does the soldier's sexuality make? It isn't like someone who is gay is going to have some learning defect that will make it impossible to discipline them... It's 100% discrimination. Don't try to cover up that fact with "it's for their protection" or "it's for their own good" because that isn't for you to decide.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-12-21T22:50:09-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: are you gay or something? that would explain the anime fetish i guess .. just the fact that you got so defensive about the stuff i was saying .. not trying to be ad hominem but i don't personally really care what the fuck gays and lesbians do .. i don't really support their life choice but as long as they dont bother me whatever haha ... i just have a lot of friends in the military that were pretty upset by this shit ... not everyone is so accepting of guys plowing other guys buttholes as you bleeding liberals on this forum
creator: InternetThug
date: 2010-12-22T02:34:25-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Quote: .. just the fact that you got so defensive about the stuff i was saying .. I get defensive over it because I realize that it is attitudes like yours that are what is tearing the country apart. There are way too many pointless restrictions on people that have no real reason to exist. Living in America grants you liberty. But liberty doesn't give you the ability to deny it to someone else. Quote: ... i just have a lot of friends in the military that were pretty upset by this shit ... not everyone is so accepting of guys plowing other guys buttholes as you bleeding liberals on this forum It isn't my concern that your friends are so insecure and fearful about their sexuality. Just because someone is a homosexual doesn't make them a barbarian. They are exactly like everyone else. It isn't like they are going to mindlessly hunt down and rape everyone if they had the chance. It's a totally baseless fear. Also, for the record: I'm not gay.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-12-22T04:04:29-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: no one's afraid of them or insecure with their sexuality .. they just dont like them because its kinda gross for one guy to put it up another dudes pooper .. i don't get why people get so defensive about that .. it's not very proper .. are there any other animals that try to mate with their own gender?
creator: InternetThug
date: 2010-12-22T05:16:41-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: M0FiR3 wrote on Tue, 21 December 2010 23:16 no one's afraid of them or insecure with their sexuality .. they just dont like them because its kinda gross for one guy to put it up another dudes pooper .. i don't get why people get so defensive about that .. it's not very proper .. are there any other animals that try to mate with their own gender? http://articles.sfgate.com/2004-02-07/news/17414549_1_bruce-bagemihl-homosexual- gay-penguins
creator: Rocko
date: 2010-12-22T05:22:10-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: M0fir3 dam ur argument made me laugh.. good 1 dude
creator: appshot
date: 2010-12-22T09:25:08-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: M0FiR3 wrote on Tue, 21 December 2010 20:34 are you gay or something? that would explain the anime fetish i guess .. No, it wouldn't. Has anyone even given a reason why homosexuals shouldn't be in the army? Excepting religion, and that homosexuality is wrong.
creator: Pyr0man1c
date: 2010-12-22T10:51:12-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Pyr0man1c wrote on Wed, 22 December 2010 04:51 M0FiR3 wrote on Tue, 21 December 2010 20:34 are you gay or something? that would explain the anime fetish i guess .. No, it wouldn't. Has anyone even given a reason why homosexuals shouldn't be in the army? Excepting religion, and that homosexuality is wrong.
creator: snpr1101
date: 2010-12-22T11:20:54-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: M0FiR3 wrote on Tue, 21 December 2010 16:20 i don't think this benefits gays or homosexuals .. they're still going to take shit lmao not like everyones going to be like oh you're gay? that's cool wtih me cause DONT ASK DONT TELL GOT REPEALED ... i don't know why you think this is such a huge step forward lmao ... you're obviously democratic starbuzz but come on hahah you think they're not going to still get made fun of for being in the military? there was a reason dont ask dont tell was in place in the beginning .. it's because people generally still aren't accepting of homosexuals and it was to protect them .. this will probably make it worse for them .. but whatever the important thing isn't whether a bunch of homophobic idiots are nice, the important thing is whether a minority of people actually have their civil rights taken away or not Quote: no one's afraid of them or insecure with their sexuality .. they just dont like them because its kinda gross for one guy to put it up another dudes pooper i don't like anal sex either, why would that make me act like a prick towards another heterosexual man who does like it? you think i want a law supporting my opinion? Quote: are there any other animals that try to mate with their own gender? yes, lots... homosexuality's been observed in lots of animals. but so what?
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-12-22T15:05:06-00:00

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description: i dont get it ... how come anyone that doesnt like gays is a homophobe? is everyone that's racist afraid of that race? not really .. people make comments about jews .. doesn't mean they're afraid of them ... anyone that doesnt like a gay person must be confused about their own sexuality!!! lol give me a break like i already stated i don't really GIVE A SHIT about gays or lesbians being in the military ... i just think it's funny that all you liberals are like OMG U DONT LIKE GAYS U HOMOPHOBE!!!! OMG U MUST BE A CLOSET HOMO U R SO INSECURE WITH UR SEXUALITY!!!!! ... not really ... gays just bring nothing to the table evolution wise .. they won't procreate which is the only purpose of being on earth anyways.
creator: InternetThug
date: 2010-12-22T16:54:46-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Also, a huge amount of gay men have characteristics that are pretty fucking annoying. Oops, guess I'm a homophobe too now...
creator: SSADMVR
date: 2010-12-22T17:12:47-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: SSADMVR wrote on Wed, 22 December 2010 11:12 Also, a huge amount of gay men have characteristics that are pretty fucking annoying. Oops, guess I'm a homophobe too now... Yes. yes you are.
creator: Herr Surth
date: 2010-12-22T17:21:00-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: M0FiR3 wrote on Wed, 22 December 2010 10:54 i dont get it ... how come anyone that doesnt like gays is a homophobe? because that's the word for it i think it's misnamed, since "homo" means "same", so "homo-phobic" means fear of the same... but whatever Quote: is everyone that's racist afraid of that race? not really .. people make comments about jews .. doesn't mean they're afraid of them ... that wasn't what you said in the first sentence. it's true fear is not always the reason for the prejudice. so what? Quote: anyone that doesnt like a gay person must be confused about their own sexuality!!! lol give me a break i agree, it would be silly to say that everyone who dislikes gay people is confused about their own sexuality. who says that? Quote: like i already stated i don't really GIVE A SHIT about gays or lesbians being in the military ... i just think it's funny that all you liberals are like OMG U DONT LIKE GAYS U HOMOPHOBE!!!! again, "homophobe" is the word for that. Quote: OMG U MUST BE A CLOSET HOMO U R SO INSECURE WITH UR SEXUALITY!!!!! ... again, it's unwise to assume that. who is saying this? Quote: not really ... gays just bring nothing to the table evolution wise .. they won't procreate which is the only purpose of being on earth anyways. what do you bring to the table evolution-wise, mofire? what shall we do about people who don't want kids? (such as myself) as for "purpose", fuck off
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-12-22T17:30:38-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: M0FiR3 wrote on Wed, 22 December 2010 10:54 i dont get it ... how come anyone that doesnt like gays is a homophobe? is everyone that's racist afraid of that race? not really .. It's just an insult, really. That's all. No true meaning behind it. On the other coin, gays often get called fa**ots and other such names as well. The term "homophobe" can accurately describe some people who are against homosexuality, but not all of them. Same with the other terms. It's generalization.
creator: Altzan
date: 2010-12-22T17:32:02-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Phobia is a fear or something, not a dislike. Not all dislikes are based on fear ... homophobe is NOT the word for anyone that doesn't like gays ... it's a term for people who are afraid of gays ... don't lump all gay haters together please. I fuck women so obviously I bring a lot more to the table in the fact that if I was the last person on Earth except for one woman, I could continue the human race. A gay guy would just try to make her go shopping with him.
creator: InternetThug
date: 2010-12-22T17:38:19-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: M0FiR3 wrote on Wed, 22 December 2010 11:38 I fuck women so obviously I bring a lot more to the table in the fact that if I was the last person on Earth except for one woman, I could continue the human race. A gay guy would just try to make her go shopping with him. That sounds like a movie plot or something.
creator: Altzan
date: 2010-12-22T17:47:20-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Oops... Homophobia can mean contempt for homosexuals too, in fact that's what it most commonly means, I don't know many people that are afraid of gays...
creator: Pyr0man1c
date: 2010-12-22T17:57:05-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: I agree the word is poorly constructed, both of its component parts are misleading.
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-12-22T23:10:11-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: god will destroy us for this
creator: Rocko
date: 2010-12-22T23:18:22-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Rocko wrote on Wed, 22 December 2010 17:18 god will destroy us for this Lies. Credit To reddit.
creator: snpr1101
date: 2010-12-23T00:30:22-00:00

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description: M0FiR3 wrote on Wed, 22 December 2010 11:54 i dont get it ... how come anyone that doesnt like gays is a homophobe? I'm taking that as a reply to what I said about your military friends. I did not imply that disliking gays means you're homophobic. But you said: Quote: ... i just have a lot of friends in the military that were pretty upset by this shit ... not everyone is so accepting of guys plowing other guys buttholes as you bleeding liberals on this forum This implies that you're friends are afraid that a gay guy is going to rape them. That's the essence of homophobia. Not liking/agreeing with their lifestyle is one thing. Fearing that their integration into the military will mean gay butt sex for all the straight soldiers is another.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-12-23T00:52:53-00:00

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description: LMFAO @ snpr! Good piece...yeah, the religion is so full of contradictory bullshit like this that they are helping themselves to their own demise by simply persisting with their dogma. Pyr0man1c wrote on Wed, 22 December 2010 04:51 Has anyone even given a reason why homosexuals shouldn't be in the army? Excepting religion, and that homosexuality is wrong. funny after having nothing to say about the unfairness of the DADT law nor able to answer the question you posed, the anti-homosexuals in this thread have latched on to the discussion of the correct usage of the word "homophobe." Situation must be desperate for them I guess. Altzan wrote on Tue, 21 December 2010 12:50 R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 18 December 2010 16:50 What God says is right or wrong should not come into the picture. This is because religion is not supposed to interfere with government regulations. Even if we quote-pyramid that post all day long, it doesn't stop the religious institutions from doing exactly that. The religion itself is parasitically contagious in its nature as it tries to cancererously worm its way into the foundations of a free society that's on a slow march to peaceful secularism. ----- Churces in America routinely go out-of-their way to try to define the political landscape in their favour. This is a known deal so there's no point denying this. This November I got to see this for myself, first hand. And it was scary to see the illegal powers churches have. Before the November elections, for almost a month, the church I am taken to against my will (a megachurch with perhaps millions in revenue) went out of its way as it does every election year to try to get people to vote. What was most disturbing was the distribution of a specially prepared and innocently named "Voter Guide" designed to influence the minds right before the elections. Along with voter registration kiosks and the pastor's insistence on "go vote! endtimes!" during the sermon, this "guide" was included with the regular …
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2010-12-23T05:08:29-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Pyr0man1c wrote on Wed, 22 December 2010 11:57 http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2010/11/homophobia.html LMFAO that blogger is a pure idiot. When the process of a oppressed minority getting their justice finally is portrayed by the posting of a apocalyptic picture... you KNOW how dangerous homophobic people are. They have got to be thick as fuck! incredible lol
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2010-12-23T05:09:25-00:00

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description: maybe you missed the part where i said i didn't care what gays did in the military? but im glad you spent 4 hours typing up a response to me .. i like how you keep saying my military? i didn't realize i was robert gates .. but thanks ... oh yeah you're a minority aren't you like indian or something? so by me prejudicing gays you must feel like im somehow indirectly insulting you too and therefore i must hate blacks and women? lmao get over yourself dude i already stated i don't really care what gays do as long as they don't bother me .. my best friend is black lol .. i have a girlfriend .. i think it's good women and minorities are in the military .. i don't care if uphill gardeners are in the military .. but i hope your buddys give you a virtual highfive for those lines you had about me not getting the last woman on earth to sleep with me .. im still laughing at your comedic genius
creator: InternetThug
date: 2010-12-23T05:16:04-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Starbuzzz wrote on Wed, 22 December 2010 23:08 funny after having nothing to say about the unfairness of the DADT law nor able to answer the question you posed, the anti-homosexuals in this thread have latched on to the discussion of the correct usage of the word "homophobe." Situation must be desperate for them I guess. Yet you throw a mile-long post about politics and religion right after saying this.
creator: Altzan
date: 2010-12-23T05:52:48-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: i can just see starbuzz typing out that last line about the last woman on earth wanting to push me off a cliff instead of continue the human race and think to himself " OH MAN THIS IS REALLY GOING TO GET HIM ... ALL MY E-BUDDIES WILL SLAP ME HUGE HIGHFIVES FOR THIS" ... and then you even type LMFAO at your own joke .. good one dude you're not an idiot at all
creator: InternetThug
date: 2010-12-23T06:37:15-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: spoony has infected starbuzz with the 'must type essay at every subject at hand' syndrome... another one bites the dust.
creator: Hitman
date: 2010-12-23T06:43:12-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Hitman wrote on Thu, 23 December 2010 00:43 spoony has infected starbuzz with the 'must type essay at every subject at hand' syndrome... another one bites the dust. lol Starbuzzz wrote on Wed, 22 December 2010 23:09 Pyr0man1c wrote on Wed, 22 December 2010 11:57 http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2010/11/homophobia.html LMFAO that blogger is a pure idiot. When the process of a oppressed minority getting their justice finally is portrayed by the posting of a apocalyptic picture... Maybe, maybe not. I just found the whole thing quite funny... Quote: For one thing, practically all the arguments that have been set forth in favor of legitimizing homosexuality can be applied with equal effectiveness by advocates for any kind of perversion involving consensual partners, inanimate objects, animals, or whatever. Quote: But if the arguments in favor of normalizing homosexuality are valid, then every kind of sexual debauchery (from pederasty to necrophilia and beyond) will ultimately be able to campaign for acceptance on those same grounds. (Actually, that process is already well underway.)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
creator: Pyr0man1c
date: 2010-12-23T09:42:11-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Hitman wrote on Thu, 23 December 2010 00:43 spoony has infected starbuzz with the 'must type essay at every subject at hand' syndrome... another one bites the dust. not really, just when there's a lot to say, and a lot of what he said there is a damning criticism of religious homophobia i've never been certain why people are angry at the thought someone has more to say than they do, maybe it's just the intellectual jealousy it looks like
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-12-23T11:05:05-00:00

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description: mofire is not capable of jealousy.
creator: Herr Surth
date: 2010-12-23T11:11:00-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: im not angry spooner, if anything i was just joking
creator: Hitman
date: 2010-12-23T12:35:09-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Hitman wrote on Thu, 23 December 2010 06:35 im not angry spooner, if anything i was just joking this looks like intellectual jealousy to me
creator: Rocko
date: 2010-12-23T23:37:56-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Altzan wrote on Wed, 22 December 2010 23:52 Starbuzzz wrote on Wed, 22 December 2010 23:08 funny after having nothing to say about the unfairness of the DADT law nor able to answer the question you posed, the anti-homosexuals in this thread have latched on to the discussion of the correct usage of the word "homophobe." Situation must be desperate for them I guess. Yet you throw a mile-long post about politics and religion right after saying this. Looks like I have your attention finally. Don't embarrass yourself any further, Altzan. I started the topic intending to discuss it to the fullest and I had A LOT to say. So then, it was funny to see the usual anti-homosexuals latch on to the discussion of the appropriate uses of a word while conveniently ignoring the accurate rebuttals brought against their side. I thought this was ridiculous. This is typical internet mentality for the losing side...they would rather talk about ANYTHING irrelevant to keep their drivel steaming on than to admit they are plain wrong on the main debate at hand. Worse, at the same time, they completely ignore the argument presented to them and don't refute it. As I mentioned, I had A LOT to say ever since I ripped that idiotic voter guide from church 2 months ago. This topic all of a sudden presented the perfect opportunity to post the voter guide along with it's extensive negative impacts considering one of the main "issues" in it was embarrasingly wiped out in Congress this week never to be made into law again (a victory for humanity). And so, it was coincidently the right time to post about how much illegal powers churches have hoarded up over the past decades. Your dishonest irrelavent one-liner here along with Anthrax's immature high school rubbish is proof that the pro-homosexual rebuttals and questions as presented so far in this thread by Spoony, Nuke, Pyro and myself along with the all important issue of the seperation of church and state as detailed above will never be refuted. You t…
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2010-12-24T00:01:49-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: i havent said anything except personal opinions so im glad you refuted those dude lmao im not exactly trying to argue with you but you sure are whooping my ass
creator: InternetThug
date: 2010-12-24T01:14:02-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Far be from it as the issue has real-life consequences for many people. Of course, it doesn't affect you (it never did) so I can't blame you for mistakenly seeing it as another internet debate where I am supposdely out to "whoop your ass." It's the exact opposite.
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2010-12-24T01:20:19-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: haha well you've just gotten so defensive about everything i've said .. you're obviously looking for an arguement. but i already said i don't really give a shit what faggots and dykes do with their lives so you're just preaching to the choir
creator: InternetThug
date: 2010-12-24T01:36:48-00:00

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description: i don't care what you do with your life either, but if someone was trying to deny you your basic rights just because they personally found you disgusting, i'd be on your side even though i find you disgusting too
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-12-24T04:12:40-00:00

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description: I am not interested in this subject in the slightest, Starbuzzz. If you're trying to draw me into a debate about it, I'll have to disappoint. Why? Well, I know perfectly well how it will play out in the end, I am quite familiar with our last discussion. An issue this fierce, if it cannot be solved in vast society, certainly won't be solved on a gaming forum. You've got opinions, Starbuzz, and I respect that. But you simply can't express them without sounding like a self-rightous know-it-all. Yes, that's harsh, especially coming from me. But your word choice says it all. Seriously, dude. Your attitude has dramatically changed. For the worse. Starbuzzz wrote on Thu, 23 December 2010 18:01 Looks like I have your attention finally. Don't embarrass yourself any further, Altzan. I'm not the one embarrassing myself. Starbuzzz wrote on Thu, 23 December 2010 18:01 they would rather talk about ANYTHING irrelevant to keep their drivel steaming on than to admit they are plain wrong on the main debate at hand. Worse, at the same time, they completely ignore the argument presented to them and don't refute it. It's not a contest, Starbuzzz. And nobody said it was a required one. Starbuzzz wrote on Thu, 23 December 2010 18:01 Your dishonest irrelavent one-liner here along with Anthrax's immature high school rubbish is proof that the pro-homosexual rebuttals and questions as presented so far in this thread by Spoony, Nuke, Pyro and myself along with the all important issue of the seperation of church and state as detailed above will never be refuted. Wow. You sure are being a model example of nearly every atheist I've heard express himself/herself. Starbuzzz wrote on Thu, 23 December 2010 18:01 Of course you are welcome to attempt to tear apart what we have written so far quote-by-quote and offering credible refutations to everything I have said so far in the "mile-long post" that clearly has had you bitterly frustrated. Or you can just gracefully withdraw-in-defeat as you did to Sp…
creator: Altzan
date: 2010-12-24T04:15:22-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Starbuzzz wrote on Thu, 23 December 2010 19:01 homophobic blogger For one thing, practically all the arguments that have been set forth in favor of legitimizing homosexuality can be applied with equal effectiveness by advocates for any kind of perversion involving consensual partners, inanimate objects, animals, or whatever. I really laughed at that. He just basically said that sex is unnatural in any circumstance. And that's not even talking about what he said about homosexuality.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-12-24T04:59:40-00:00

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description: Spoony wrote on Thu, 23 December 2010 22:12 i don't care what you do with your life either, but if someone was trying to deny you your basic rights just because they personally found you disgusting, i'd be on your side even though i find you disgusting too thats the point ive been making this whole time
creator: InternetThug
date: 2010-12-24T05:45:25-00:00

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description: The News America is today enacting legislation that will prevent openly heterosexual people from serving in the military... Sounds perfectly reasonable, with servicemen and women in close quarters, with emotionally intense situations occurring almost daily... that could get distracting... Any objections?
creator: CarrierII
date: 2010-12-24T08:30:15-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: CarrierII wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 02:30 The News America is today enacting legislation that will prevent openly heterosexual people from serving in the military... Sounds perfectly reasonable, with servicemen and women in close quarters, with emotionally intense situations occurring almost daily... that could get distracting... Any objections? Ye /agree. Pull every straight man and women out of service this instant.
creator: snpr1101
date: 2010-12-24T08:45:24-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: This thread is pretty gay.
creator: Dover
date: 2010-12-24T14:01:06-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: @ Altzan: opinions? The fact that sexual morals have changed over and over is not an opinion. The fact that your favorite bible kings had hundreds of sex slaves with polygamy being the norm of the day is not an opinion. The fact that religions fail and get replaced by other religions is not an opinion. You deny basic middle school history and call me a " self-righteous know-it-all?" You don't want to get involved in the debate and I can understand why. So be it. Altzan wrote on Thu, 23 December 2010 22:15 issue this fierce, if it cannot be solved in vast society, certainly won't be solved on a gaming forum. One such issue got solved this week in Congress fyi. We will move on and solve problems just fine just as we "solved" racism and women's rights. Despite the people who once stood against it and still do, we are better off now than before. Altzan wrote on Thu, 23 December 2010 22:15 I'm under the impression that you have changed based on pressures put on you by your family and church. If that's not the case, forgive my assumption. But if it is, why take it up here, of all places? It's the least likely place to influence anyone's opinion of the subject. This is not at all true. Plus, there is no harm in discussing these here. You seem to mistake discussion as some some form of infectious "propaganda" out to chnage your opinion! wow... Many traumatized victims of crimes end up fighting for a cause against the crime. The internet is a suitable medium in this day among many others and there is no harm in disussing important issues. It is only a matter of time I see myself speaking openly in public about what I have endured so far. You seem to mistake me as using only this internet forum; how do you know that I have not contacted and am in touch with powerful organizations that can help me? When you live under a tyranny and are dragged to a mosque, forced to worship facing mecca 5 times a day, and continualy mind-raped over and over and forced to believe something you …
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2010-12-24T15:14:12-00:00

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description: Altzan wrote But if it is, why take it up here, of all places? It's the least likely place to influence anyone's opinion of the subject. i've heard this sort of question before. "the internet isn't the right place to talk about this", sort of thing. well, for most of history christianity didn't want you talking about it at all. you think books are a better option than the internet? you weren't allowed to own a bible in your own language for over 1000 years, they'd kill you if you tried. most people couldn't read AT ALL for most of christian history, the content of the bible was a secret the clergy had no interest in sharing with the common people. then you've got the vatican's long track record of banning books it doesn't like, etc etc etc... the internet, by contrast, is great. not much censorship, much more accessible to people than the Bible used to be when the churches really had things their own way. long live e-debates! merry christmas everyone, have a nice day with your families
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-12-24T15:29:57-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Altzan wrote But if it is, why take it up here, of all places? Yeah! What's up with all this discussing and debating that goes on in this sub-forum entiled "Heated Discussions and Debates"? It's just about the least appropriate place for this kind of thing.
creator: Dover
date: 2010-12-24T17:15:28-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Dover wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 08:01 This thread is pretty gay. I don't like gay things :/
creator: Pyr0man1c
date: 2010-12-24T18:13:21-00:00

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creator: Pyr0man1c
date: 2010-12-24T18:16:20-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 09:14 opinions? The fact that sexual morals have changed over and over is not an opinion. The fact that your favorite bible kings had hundreds of sex slaves with polygamy being the norm of the day is not an opinion. The fact that religions fail and get replaced by other religions is not an opinion. You deny basic middle school history and call me a " self-righteous know-it-all?" Your belief on how homosexuals should be treated is indeed an opinion. That's what I was getting at. Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 09:14 You don't want to get involved in the debate and I can understand why. So be it. If that's true, I'm glad. Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 09:14 One such issue got solved this week in Congress fyi. We will move on and solve problems just fine just as we "solved" racism and women's rights. Despite the people who once stood against it and still do, we are better off now than before. Good. But beside the point. Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 09:14 Plus, there is no harm in discussing these here. Of course. Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 09:14 You seem to mistake discussion as some some form of infectious "propaganda" out to chnage your opinion! wow... Your post earlier was not even close to neutral. It was heavily laced with pride and contempt. If I heard you speak it face-to-face, it would disgust me. You have valid points, but speaking them the way you do indicates you're not out to change anyone's thoughts, you're out to rub it in their faces. Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 09:14 Many traumatized victims of crimes end up fighting for a cause against the crime. The internet is a suitable medium in this day among many others and there is no harm in disussing important issues. It is only a matter of time I see myself speaking openly in public about what I have endured so far. You seem to mistake me as using only this internet forum; how do you know that I have not contac…
creator: Altzan
date: 2010-12-24T19:11:13-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: "Heated Discussions and Debates" section, while on a website intended for a video game, has absolutely nothing to do with said game. This section is for general topics. As such, two people with opposing opinions are encouraged to post in this section. While it might be true that winning or losing such debate on a website like this probably wont have any effect on the grander stance on the issue, that does not mean that it can't or shouldn't be discussed here period. Saying that this is no place to discuss such a topic is merely a way of implying you don't want to argue anymore. As such, you no longer want to defend your position. But, since you also don't want to admit defeat on the issue, you're continuing to participate in the conversation. Moral of the story: Don't enter an argument that you have no intention of finishing.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-12-24T21:00:02-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Altzan can't be serious. No one can be that dumb.
creator: Rocko
date: 2010-12-25T01:22:03-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 15:00 "Heated Discussions and Debates" section, while on a website intended for a video game, has absolutely nothing to do with said game. This section is for general topics. As such, two people with opposing opinions are encouraged to post in this section. While it might be true that winning or losing such debate on a website like this probably wont have any effect on the grander stance on the issue, that does not mean that it can't or shouldn't be discussed here period. Saying that this is no place to discuss such a topic is merely a way of implying you don't want to argue anymore. As such, you no longer want to defend your position. But, since you also don't want to admit defeat on the issue, you're continuing to participate in the conversation. Moral of the story: Don't enter an argument that you have no intention of finishing. It was more of a "relativity" issue. I didn't mean it was pointless, although I came off that way. Well said.
creator: Altzan
date: 2010-12-25T04:48:22-00:00

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description: I rather think that, aside from the ones that degenerate into flame-fests, some of the most informative discussions about controversial issues happen on forums not dedicated to the subject at hand. The reason is because, lacking a narrowly-defined topic, the discussion is more likely to go off on related-but-not-on-topic tangents... and people are more likely to say what's really on their minds instead of trying to sound reasonable. Nobody is afraid of being banned because they punched a prominent member's buttons... especially here. Punching peoples' buttons has been pretty much the way of life on Renforums since the bloody place came into being, even back when Westwood was running the place. And now that I've spouted that bit of touchy-feely crap... The fundies in here are full of shit. Sorry if I offended anybody, but... well, nobody has a right not to be offended. And that is the real heart of the issue, isn't it? Because ultimately, that's what it all comes down to- people getting offended at the idea that something that disgusts them (homosexuality) is allowed to be shown the light of day. Yes, I'm well aware that it was considered taboo for most of human history (we have no way of knowing before history began, do we?)... but we live in a culture that accepts "get the government to ban it" as an acceptable way to hide the things that bother us. It is long past time for human society as a whole to grow the hell up and get over that shit. I consider the issues of gay rights and censorship to be inextricably linked. Both revolve around the idea that, if the majority (or as the case may be, the minority with all the power) doesn't like something, they can make it go away. History tells us that this doesn't work- and tells us this over and over and over so many times you'd think you were listening to a broken record. Forget about nature. It isn't about nature, or reproduction. Putting aside the fact that other species have demonstrated homosexual behavior, how many…
creator: NukeIt15
date: 2010-12-25T05:58:50-00:00

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description: wow nukeit that was fantastic, I completely agree
creator: Rocko
date: 2010-12-25T08:30:21-00:00

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description: i love when nukeit comes through and blows the place up, 100% without warning his name makes sense i suppose
creator: liquidv2
date: 2010-12-25T14:20:36-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Rocko wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 17:22 Altzan can't be serious. No one can be that dumb. Par for the course in Tennessee.
creator: Dover
date: 2010-12-25T17:51:33-00:00

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description: Dover wrote on Sat, 25 December 2010 11:51 Rocko wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 17:22 Altzan can't be serious. No one can be that dumb. Par for the course in Tennessee. ?
creator: Altzan
date: 2010-12-25T21:28:21-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Altzan wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 13:11 Your post earlier was not even close to neutral. There is something incredibly odd about a christian demanding neutrality. In any issue. PERIOD. Altzan wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 13:11 Your belief on how homosexuals should be treated is indeed an opinion. Altzan wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 13:11 Your belief on how blacks should be treated is indeed an opinion. Altzan wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 13:11 Your belief on how women should be treated is indeed an opinion. No, it isn't. See what I did there? Here is a fine example of what dogmatic religious indoctrination from a religion such as christianity can do to a person. It's sad we have to deal with people like this every generation for needless problems that we get over in the next generation. We actually have a concept now of basic "human rights" that didn't exist when abraham's god was busy giving those despicable commandantments in Deutronomy such as ordering those who don't worship "him" to be taken out of the camp to be killed and giving out the correct guidelines for using slaves (wow). Thousands of years later after "he" gave these commandments, what do we see? We see that the absolute rules from such a power-crazed man-made god is not absolute afterall and humanity as a whole have rejected those idiotic rules (thru many struggles). If such a god did forbid the use of slaves and promoted the concept that all humans have some form of basic rights, the religion would be growing, not shamefully dying as a laughingstock as it is. Our morals today are lightyears ahead of what the judeo-christian god came up with and it will be ever better as we move into the future. @Nuke: hotly-condensed and very effective post right there. While eveything you said makes sense to anyone not clouded by religious indoctination, this is the part that is the mental blocker: NukeIt15 wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 23:58 But you do not have the right to impose your will as policy- a…
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2010-12-31T16:55:38-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 31 December 2010 10:55 There is something incredibly odd about a christian demanding neutrality. In any issue. PERIOD. How cute. Is that the best counter you came up with? Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 31 December 2010 10:55 Changing quotes is fun! Nice try. Don't drag the "right and wrong" aspect into it, buddy - it wasn't my point, not by a long shot. My point stands as thus: Quote: Your belief on how homosexuals should be treated is indeed an opinion. And you have yet to prove it false.
creator: Altzan
date: 2010-12-31T23:05:03-00:00

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description: Altzan wrote on Fri, 31 December 2010 17:05 Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 31 December 2010 10:55 There is something incredibly odd about a christian demanding neutrality. In any issue. PERIOD. Is that the best counter you came up with? You are raging about how I hurt your feelings by speaking my mind on a crucial issue while you are ready to crush and oppress people into behaving the way you want them to by supporting/favouring laws that are made to control and oppress people to your liking. Still whining about how my "post didn't even come close to neutral?" Take a wild guess. Altzan wrote on Fri, 31 December 2010 17:05 Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 31 December 2010 10:55 Changing quotes is fun! Nice try. My point went flying over your head. Altzan wrote on Fri, 31 December 2010 17:05 Don't drag the "right and wrong" aspect into it, buddy - it wasn't my point, not by a long shot. You are going to have to try a lot harder to worm out of this one, rookie. Besides "right and wrong" which you are so quick to pull out of and deny here (!!!), most importantly and foremost, it's a issue of "will you mind your own business and allow people to be themselves" or "will you continue to intrude into the personal lives and life choices of others." The choice should be VERY easy considering they (homosexuals) have done NO WRONG TO YOU. Altzan wrote on Fri, 31 December 2010 17:05 My point stands as thus: Quote: Your belief on how homosexuals should be treated is indeed an opinion. And you have yet to prove it false. No, that is most certainly NOT your point. Did you think it's going to be this easy? Your dishonest statement of "your belief on how homosexuals should be treated is indeed an opinion" is a cunningly veiled translation of "I have a right to tell people (homosexuals) how to behave and will use the law to make them comply; and what anyone else says including yourself doesn't matter because it is only your opinion and a belief." And now you are demanding me to disprove this absurdity…
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2011-01-01T02:06:43-00:00

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description: take it easy on this guy Starbuzz, he spends quite a lot of time in Renegade build servers
creator: liquidv2
date: 2011-01-01T02:30:00-00:00

pulling in and out again...
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description: Imo: this whole debate is somewhat moot. Gays have been allowed to openly serve in the military whether some people like it or not. Personally I would have preferred DADT, with the clause inserted that if someone is 3rd person outed they shouldn't have been kicked out, as it should have been quite effective at getting rid of the the Gay community complaints* about wanting to be able to serve in the military and not have to lie about being straight in order to do so. I have absolutely 0 problems with that, everyone should be able to serve our country in the military if they qualify physically and mentally. However, DADT advocates are now being called bigots and homophobes for defending DADT. Yet before, they would have been called a bigot or homophobe for not wanting gays in the military at all*. Funny how when the right side of the political spectrum decides to compromise, which may not have been the case then it is now though, the left seems to want to continue pushing their agenda under the guise of equal rights. It's not the fight for equal rights, it is elevating a minority over the majority. Now because of this, homosexuals that have been passed up for a promotion, demoted, dishonorably discharged, left on the field injured for whatever reason, etc. can now claim that is was because they were gay that what happened to them happened. I know most of them will not do that, but there are some who will. And on this note, let me also state that I'm for civil unions or something along those lines replacing marriage in the state's eyes and allowing religion to keep their version of marriage. If this makes me a bigot for not believing in gay marriage, you've got a huge problem. Tl:dr(not really)==> Churches can call marriages marriages. They'll have their right to. But in the eyes of the law, straight/gay/etc should be called a civil union, or mmarriage, or commonlaw, or anything else other than marriage. The religious connotation stays for the churches that wish to con…
creator: Muad Dib15
date: 2011-01-01T05:29:17-00:00

Re: don't ask don't tell
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description: Sheesh. Only one part of your reply is even worth touching, since you refuse to stop trying to drag me into conversations I want no part with. Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 31 December 2010 20:06 You are raging Really, now. It's obvious you're raging a lot more than I am. Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 31 December 2010 20:06 about how I hurt your feelings Not really. Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 31 December 2010 20:06 while you are ready to crush and oppress people into behaving the way you want them to by supporting/favouring laws that are made to control and oppress people to your liking. Quote me where I said I support those laws. Go on.
creator: Altzan
date: 2011-01-01T06:35:14-00:00

Re: pulling in and out again...
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description: Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 31 December 2010 23:29 Also on a slightly humorous note: Think of the pinups girls on the walls. Do you really think that gays aren't going to participate in that longstanding army tradition? They will put guy pinups which in all honesty no straight guy wants to see. Which means that someone will tear it down, the guy who had it will get butt hurt over it and as a result pinup girl and guy posters are banned. no one is happy. Yeah, and I'm sure women who serve aren't terribly enthusiastic about pinup chicks either. Besides, gay dudes aren't into that stuff, and they don't care. So yeah, it's entirely fair to ban pinup posters if straight dudes bitch about seeing men more attractive than them on the wall. Gay people are portrayed as being effeminate girls, and yet it seems in this debate, it's the straight people who are being the total c#nts.
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2011-01-01T17:50:58-00:00

Re: pulling in and out again...
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description: Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 31 December 2010 21:29 Imo: dgaf
creator: Dover
date: 2011-01-05T18:43:16-00:00