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Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays?
When I say best Ren players, I mean someone who knows the game, understands what's going on, knows what to do everytime and does that to always come out on top. Doesn't matter public or CW, they should be good in any AOW games. This is what counts; they should have good skillsets overall in all categories. They should be so good that just having them in your team should give you a reassuring feeling. Who's the best? List em now! You can list anyone you have noticed playing who seems to be exceptional.
Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays?
dare i say... me? lol other than that, mike's very good, and that yuri1990 (might be getting the numbers wrong) who plays at jelly
MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe sigh
f00lish1, TehUK, and Spoony are some names I can think of. f00lish1 and TehUK are quiet sneaky. And they always are guaranteed to kill a a few buildings. Even in some of the most busiest enemy bases, you can see them manage to sneak in and score a building kill. Spoony is someone I automatically think is really good cos he knows exactly what to do ie. what vehicle to buy, what to do next, how best to exploit the situation and so this makes him quiet dangerous in a AOW game. That shows full understanding of the game and I wish I knew a quarter of the stuff he knows. It always bothers me when he is on the other team.
Starbuzzz wrote on Wed, 10 November 2010 12:50 f00lish1, TehUK, and Spoony are some names I can think of. lol, maybe in public servers...Spoony isn't bad (but yuri, really? hes ok but....), but their are much more skilled players. Atleast for smaller games, I'd say Wiggles, Simpee, and tildeth (before he cheated). All but the last still play on/off.
tildeth's been cheating for ages, but i still kicked his ass in tank battles all the time wiggles is good but i'm better simpee's probably comparable to me with tanks and infantry, nowhere near me with strategy and leadership.
Spoony wrote on Wed, 10 November 2010 14:54 tildeth's been cheating for ages, but i still kicked his ass in tank battles all the time wiggles is good but i'm better simpee's probably comparable to me with tanks and infantry, nowhere near me with strategy and leadership. You lost a 1v1 against wiggles last year (maybe 2 years ago actually?) Now, you might be better than him, but when he played as much as you do now (last year I guess) he'd beat you 1v1 imho. Tildeth's only been cheating since this summer unless you've got something you've been holding onto for all these years? And im not sure if you've played simpee 1v1 ever but, I don't see you beating him either.
trooprm02 wrote on Wed, 10 November 2010 15:13 You lost a 1v1 against wiggles last year (maybe 2 years ago actually?) Now, you might be better than him, but when he played as much as you do now (last year I guess) he'd beat you 1v1 imho. i'm 3-1 against wiggles in 1v1. after two of them, you posted on this very forum that he "owned" me. you were apparently unaware that he lost both games. you made yourself look like... well, your usual self. furthermore, starbuzzz's question is about who's best playa now, not several years ago, hence nobody mentioning uded or kill. Quote: Tildeth's only been cheating since this summer unless you've got something you've been holding onto for all these years? i've been saying tildeth cheated long before anyone else said it, maybe you didn't hear me. i was still better than him cheats or no cheats. Quote: And im not sure if you've played simpee 1v1 ever but, I don't see you beating him either. the only thing on your mind is 1v1, is it? clan games i suppose we're about evenly matched, public servers and commwars i wipe the floor with him.
u all is chet i hav prof
I play on Atomix, some of the really good people I've seen are blunts, ehh, Frozen, Xpert, and a few others.
@ trooprm02: lol my question was not even about 1v1 but about someone who is incredibly successful in a AOW setting i.e, public games, funwars, comm games. I am pretty sure there are many others who would do well but maybe like 10 or so who are overall really good. I mentioned Spoony because I have played countless games against and with him. And so have someone to rate against with. For me a good player is 50/50 this: someone who knows what he is doing, knows what to buy and what to do with it, knows when to make a move as the game unfolds, the overall strategy in a game. Knows how to adapt to any situation, understands the entire game dynamics, economy, vehicles, etc etc. Of course, this is just 50% and so you find very few players who know this core of the game logic. the other 50% is having a good aim, knowing how to fly, drive, sneak...the basics. Actually I think it should be 80/20! With 80 being understanding the game logic which most don't. The other 20% comes easily with a few months of play. So in that case, a vast majority of players who consider themselves pr0s just fail overall cos the game is really about knowing when to do what and why instead of just racking up an incredible k/d with a sniper or Orca for example. So that is really my question; a player who is overall very well developed in all areas. From what I have seen, Spoony can't be counted out of it or I should say he fulfills all the requirements! I try to improve too but like I said above, if I were to rate myself, then I am only at 30-40% like 99% of the players who are good in either a vehicle or sniping but have very poor grasp of strategy (which is the main point of the game). I wish more CW folks will play with their real nicks like Spoony does. I have seen tildeth and clear play for example but not long enough with them.
wiggles didn't do much in aow, he was probably really good in small games though (up to 3v3) tildeth was good with tanks, that's about it yuri? why f00lish1 doesn't play much and i can't say that when i played with him he struck me as great or something TehUK is a cool guy but he's awful in tanks, he just solo rushes until something eventually dies does that count as being good? that Spoony guy is up there Xpert uses rgh, please don't list people that do well due to cheats clearsh0t is very knowledgeable and pretty good at everything, but as far as i know he does not play i've never seen Kill play seriously but i'm sure he knows what he's doing as well yeah Mike is pretty good but who is Surth?
liquidv2 wrote on Wed, 10 November 2010 17:52 Xpert uses rgh, please don't list people that do well due to cheats I wouldn't list them if I knew they cheated. That doesn't make a good player by a long shot.
kill was the best player in renegade for a maybe 3-year stretch, he's rusty now though
from what i hear xpert used to be terrible at everything and now he's pretty much an unstoppable sniper and judging by his past actions i wouldn't waste a breath defending him that uded guy used to be good but when i saw him it was years and years later and he had probably forgotten which way the other team's base was as of right now i'll say Spoony is in the top 3 from what i know hitman is good too
Quote: nowhere near me with strategy and leadership. honestly for 4v4 games or smaller thats simply not true. for bigger games sure, i get no fun out of telling other people what to do or how to do it. i mean how can you say someone like me or kill (who had a very similar style to me) have no understanding of strategy when h2o and whoever i was playing with would be very hard to beat.
now that you mention Hitman! I hope he doesn't kick me around lol for forgetting to mention him! Sadly I had a very few games with him and wish I had more games. From what I know though, he too is more of a strategy oriented person; always aware of the big picture in a game. I dunno if he still plays
Spoony, Simpee, Karmai, Ioncloud, Zell, Kill, Miker, Me Probably missed a few but pretty much anyone from clanwars that still plays... When Kill was considered best, Simpee was usually just below him in skill, but above everybody else by a fair amount. Simpee & whatever clan he would lead, always gave us our biggest challenges. Maybe Renforums in colaboration with cw.cc should host some sort of small game tournament, whether it be 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 or whatever...
its a shame i never played with clear back then i bet the games wudve been much closer vs active h2o
i remember quite a few series vs kill and mike playing with simpee, pretty sure it was mid '07 or some shit ;/ outcome was like 50/50 but i was still considered quite new back then lol, alot of cool games being played back then cw.cc series i enjoyed most up untill now : F2F final with TC against H2O dont know the exact date but its like '09 or so?
my favourite f2f was the 2v2 with zell vs h2o that we lost 5-4. the most frustrating games ever but so close when kill was in his prime
we lost 3-5 tunaman's first few games back were these lol, it could of been closer if we were all 4 in reneshape
I remember being down 0-3, then Kill finally showing up and we end up taking it 5-4 lol A series against TC, they were ahead but we made a comeback, and it all came down to the 9th game: Snow. Kill sniped a few heads and it was over. All the 5-4 F2F's I've had were the best, that 9th map was always so intense. Let's schedule a Clanwar LOL
pretty sure it was 3-3 at some point, then we lost both maps.
ljbh TC lost because it was my first month back after a 2 year break. lets be honest though, when isn't it my first month back after a 2 year break.. and Tildeth cheated... I was never super sure of it, I never caught him. But I played with him and I'm pretty sure he at least used radarhack. @liquidv2: xpert never cheated... all he ever did/does was snipe and he was actually pretty decent at it, even though people would trash talk him all the time. also he would say he played aow with me and he did play more but it seemed like he really enjoyed sniping more
it doesnt matter how rusty kill is, he will always remain the best player
lrving627 is better than everyone. The End
or got tired of the poor management of servers and clanwars
me and griz0613 and Rocko are the best followed by karmai and tunaman honorable mentions (free points): spoonerd, wiskgay, shitman, mikerdyke, i0nplowed xxd0mexx is fun to try and make ragequit, my record is 55 seconds
haha dome, yeah I seen him in Jelly a few times too. Kill & I were playing him on Walls fly, we had 2 orca's in their base. We got their strip and hand, so they were basically given up letting us finish their base. I was 'missiling?' the powerplant with my orca, and kill kept flying around kill-whoring on dome. Dome flipped out about how gay we were and said if we kill him again, he won't play us anymore. Well of course Kill goes in for the kill, dome ragequits and that was the last time I seen him play @ clanwars.
Quote: Let's schedule a Clanwar LOL what is this blasphemy
mike and i just destroy people in jelly marathon. dave and rohirrim are good too. spoony im guessin dominates jelly aow whiskey, you still play, i never see you around (granted im in only 1 server) and yea, any of the good cws people who still play, people already know who they are. dont know who he is really but i see dome a lot in mara and he usually rage quits in about 5 mins
I'm okay when i care to enough to try and actually bother to use a tank....which is generally never in public servers. Other than that, I'd go as far as to say that i am the current best sniper in Renegade....and am willing to 1v1 open who thinks different . Seriously though, a lot of people are really good at Renegade, but are just never noticed because they rarely actually try to win in public servers anymore. Sad really. Spoony always tries, so he's up there on the list of course. Whiskey and Kill as well, along with pretty much anybody who is playing to win the game, and will do what it takes to do it. I wish I could say that i still do that, but honestly i only play for fun anymore, and the only real fun i find in Ren anymore is in sniping .
cw.cc players hijacking the thread... lol. and i'll kill a building any public map if I want to... but that just makes the game no fun. x. edit : wow that photoshop shit of mine is gay
being the best at sniping 1v1 doesn't mean you're the best sniper in renegade i0n will outkill you 2 to 1 on any map i'm sure, find him ingame sometime and do your best
liquidv2 wrote on Thu, 11 November 2010 21:47 being the best at sniping 1v1 doesn't mean you're the best sniper in renegade i0n will outkill you 2 to 1 on any map i'm sure, find him ingame sometime and do your best That actually does mean i r teh best, noob. I out snipe him every time in aow sniping when i see him anyway....and that's with like a 30 fps. Every time I've played him I've out killed him 2-1+ honestly. He's only good at sniping noobs with his no free aim scope style. Against an actual good sniper in the tunnels, he's just average if you ask me.
HaTe wrote on Thu, 11 November 2010 23:09 liquidv2 wrote on Thu, 11 November 2010 21:47 being the best at sniping 1v1 doesn't mean you're the best sniper in renegade i0n will outkill you 2 to 1 on any map i'm sure, find him ingame sometime and do your best That actually does mean i r teh best, noob. I out snipe him every time in aow sniping when i see him anyway....and that's with like a 30 fps. Every time I've played him I've out killed him 2-1+ honestly. He's only good at sniping noobs with his no free aim scope style. Against an actual good sniper in the tunnels, he's just average if you ask me. First, quit bitching about your fps. You sound like a little whiny brat Second, I've seen you in game like once, on under in jelly, that I know of. You killed me 1 time while i was running from the ob to the tunnel not even looking at my screen. You then proceeded to go freak out after I ran away and got behind a rock pming me about your lag and shit. 3rd, I can get most kills on almost every map I play if I try on Jelly. Maybe if Mike or Anthrax is playing they can out kill me if they are trying but that's about it. That map I was spending a good amount of time trying to take the field, and on top of that, nod was pinned in base, not exactly conductive to me being able to kill people, not that I was really trying to like I said anyway. The truth is, you are just an annoying person on here, and probably everywhere. Your sole mission on here is to go around trying to prove to everyone that you are the best, when really, nobody cares. And the truth is also I could outkill you whenever I really felt like it, and it wouldn't really be that hard.
I hate it when people say how awesome they are at Renegade, then proceed to brag about sniping. Sniping means, mostly, that you have good aim (or cheating, but not going there). There's a LOT more to Renegade than having good aim, people.
I cheated? Ya whatever. I've been sniping since the Fnfall Sniping server days of Renegade. I've had my bad days where I can't match up in the past. I've proven myself countless times that I don't and even my past fraps videos in Mt0wn sniping. I've gone up against players who even used *cheat name removed*against me in sniping and still top them (TilDeth being recent one). I didn't start fully playing AOW until I made my first AOW clan with Kil27ler. And eventually Tunaman joined and was in it for about a year and he helped me over time show the basics of AOW. From there I knew what to do and eventually was able to hold my own. Sure I can't compete with people like KiLL and Simpee but I'm good enough to match a decent AOW game. It's funny how rumors go around. I don't even play anywhere else but my own server, Atomix, just to avoid the stupidity and the low IQ of half the people in this game. I don't play in Jelly, N00bstories, n00bless, any of those servers but my own and still get trash talked about my skill when the people who do bash me never even once played against me. I played in 1337-Snipe for the first time ever a few weeks ago and got forced-rr'd out. So I went to download it just to show them up and I still played the same. So you and your cheat accusations can go fuck each other. And today, I played in St0rm for the first time ever to see what it's like and I got 128 kills and 24 deaths from sniping. All I do is snipe, and Altzan can say the same for me when he sees me play. I do nothing but snipe unless the player count is low. I probably can consider myself an overall good player that knows how to play in and out, but a hell of a sniper to be honest. And just so I won't get shitted on for other things, I don't even use skins or different huds or a different crosshair. My renegade is completely pure with scripts. And always has been. I never used a skin in my life and don't plan on using one today. You people always use that logic, oh he sucked back then, but he owns now. Ever thought of maybe the person gets adjusted to the game overtime and gets good at it? A lot of people most certaintly don't because all they do is bring up past skill of a player and used that to attack the person. Some people get good, some people don't. Get used to it in any game.
Xpert wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 01:13 All I do is snipe, and Altzan can say the same for me when he sees me play. I do nothing but snipe unless the player count is low. I probably can consider myself an overall good player that knows how to play in and out, but a hell of a sniper to be honest. I consider sniping all of the time to be OK if that's the player's strongest suit, because I'm not stupid enough to say that sniping isn't beneficial to the team. I'm a half-decent sniper, but I usually just go to the main field and deal what damage I can. On a slightly unrelated note, I didn't even notice you owned Atomix
1.) Everyone has been sniping since the FnFall servers lol :/ 2.) Getting a shit ton of kills @ st0rm doesn't prove skill to any degree but lol ... 3.) Not agreeing with any cheat rumors because well...."everyone cheats and once the're caught everyone knew it" or bashing on anyone just saying
let me add trist (plays as ehh) to my nominations btw, isn't the thread asking who IS the best player? not who WOULD PROBABLY BE if such-and-such (still played, tried harder, etc)
Goztow wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 04:49 Renosteron in the air here! Reneroids!
Spoony wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 05:52 let me add trist (plays as ehh) to my nominations btw, isn't the thread asking who IS the best player? not who WOULD PROBABLY BE if such-and-such (still played, tried harder, etc) Without playing clanwars its hard to judge who is the best, going on public server performance alone... I play in Jelly AOW and don't usually see any clanwar players in there, only rarely. I mean, I usually am the best player playing when I'm logged in. So going by that, I'd consider myself the best lol. If Simpee still plays @ all, I'd say he's the best. Mike is probably top notch as well. Potential #1's: Simpee, Mike, Whiskey And I might as well make a hypothetical list, although I haven't played with anyone recently enough to really know. So a guess: 1. Simpee 2. Mike 3. Whiskey 4. Zell 5. IonCloud 6. Hitman 7. Spoony 8. Kill (could be at the top but only plays when I ask him to lol) If I missed another clanwar player, my bad, didn't mean to snub ya. Thats all I can think of, who still plays.
i only snipe in public... and when i do get a tank i usually just rush in or whatever lol, and i'd say @ sniping (both tunnel and AOW) me and ion are about as good as eachother (literally killing eachother turn after turn on many maps in the recent past lol) not going to go into actual AOW since people think public means anything at all lol, i mean who other than my man spoony and that faggot tildeth can play every game serious as fuck? and u cant even tell if ur anything good at playin as a team since reneteams usually consist of people who play for themselves ;/
Hitman wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 09:58 i only snipe in public... and when i do get a tank i usually just rush in or whatever lol, and i'd say @ sniping (both tunnel and AOW) me and ion are about as good as eachother (literally killing eachother turn after turn on many maps in the recent past lol) not going to go into actual AOW since people think public means anything at all lol, i mean who other than my man spoony and that faggot tildeth can play every game serious as fuck? and u cant even tell if ur anything good at playin as a team since reneteams usually consist of people who play for themselves ;/ gj comin into volcano the other day, takin my hard earned rencash, and then dieing twice and then leaving!
Spoony wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 04:52 let me add trist (plays as ehh) to my nominations Cool, I didn't know he had another nick he used. Spoony wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 04:52 btw, isn't the thread asking who IS the best player? not who WOULD PROBABLY BE if such-and-such (still played, tried harder, etc) Since it's largely based on opinion, along with accusations of cheats left and right, I'd think it would be hard to come to a consensus on one player in particular as the best. It's worth a shot though.
i0ncl0ud9 wrote on Thu, 11 November 2010 22:25 HaTe wrote on Thu, 11 November 2010 23:09 liquidv2 wrote on Thu, 11 November 2010 21:47 being the best at sniping 1v1 doesn't mean you're the best sniper in renegade i0n will outkill you 2 to 1 on any map i'm sure, find him ingame sometime and do your best That actually does mean i r teh best, noob. I out snipe him every time in aow sniping when i see him anyway....and that's with like a 30 fps. Every time I've played him I've out killed him 2-1+ honestly. He's only good at sniping noobs with his no free aim scope style. Against an actual good sniper in the tunnels, he's just average if you ask me. First, quit bitching about your fps. You sound like a little whiny brat Second, I've seen you in game like once, on under in jelly, that I know of. You killed me 1 time while i was running from the ob to the tunnel not even looking at my screen. You then proceeded to go freak out after I ran away and got behind a rock pming me about your lag and shit. 3rd, I can get most kills on almost every map I play if I try on Jelly. Maybe if Mike or Anthrax is playing they can out kill me if they are trying but that's about it. That map I was spending a good amount of time trying to take the field, and on top of that, nod was pinned in base, not exactly conductive to me being able to kill people, not that I was really trying to like I said anyway. The truth is, you are just an annoying person on here, and probably everywhere. Your sole mission on here is to go around trying to prove to everyone that you are the best, when really, nobody cares. And the truth is also I could outkill you whenever I really felt like it, and it wouldn't really be that hard. I don't use the name HaTe. I have screen shots of me owning you, actually. You won't 1v1 snipe me because you know what the result would be. I remember when you came into a sniper server about a month ago and could barely hold a 1.0 k/d. All you can kill are noobs who run in straight lines, while you scope them. I prefer challenges.
Spoony wrote on Wed, 10 November 2010 22:26 furthermore, starbuzzz's question is about who's best playa now, not several years ago, hence nobody mentioning uded or kill. Quote: Tildeth's only been cheating since this summer unless you've got something you've been holding onto for all these years? i've been saying tildeth cheated long before anyone else said it, maybe you didn't hear me. i was still better than him cheats or no cheats. Quote: And im not sure if you've played simpee 1v1 ever but, I don't see you beating him either. the only thing on your mind is 1v1, is it? clan games i suppose we're about evenly matched, public servers and commwars i wipe the floor with him. I never said uded or kill. And about tildeth, you can't just claim shit and then leave it at that, I asked if you had anything to back that up and obviously you don't or you would have posted it. 2-3 years ago he was top 10 from what I remember, and I never got the suspicion then that he was cheating... @liquid, xpert doesn't cheat, I guess your just a bad sniper? @whiskey, I personally wouldn't put karmai or ioncloud in the same list...sure they'd rape kids in public servers but
I won't 1v1 snipe anybody, not just you, because I don't give a fuck. And anthrax, you called it! Goes to prove my point that you would go around taking screen shots of everyone you kill to try and prove some point to yourself, who the fuck actually does that. And if I recall, the one time I've seen you in a snipe server I had to leave because of the amount of warp and shit I was getting. I can do just fine in there when I play. But yea, keep riding that high horse. We all think you're awesome.
xMiNeAbuSe is the best player ever. period.
i0ncl0ud9 wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 09:44 I won't 1v1 snipe anybody, not just you, because I don't give a fuck. And anthrax, you called it! Goes to prove my point that you would go around taking screen shots of everyone you kill to try and prove some point to yourself, who the fuck actually does that. And if I recall, the one time I've seen you in a snipe server I had to leave because of the amount of warp and shit I was getting. I can do just fine in there when I play. But yea, keep riding that high horse. We all think you're awesome. You even sound like Anthrax......claiming you're better, then not willing to prove it. Then getting all defensive and saying that me proving you wrong via screenshots is pathetic. Lol, love it. I never used to be cocky, but i quite like all the attention. Keep up teh rage please When and where Hitman?
i0ncl0ud9 wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 09:44 And if I recall, the one time I've seen you in a snipe server I had to leave because of the amount of warp and shit I was getting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDjdbPujcns lol
Please don't let this turn into a sniper-vs-sniper bitchfest...
tomorrow or so, i was down for playin a 1v1 snipe 20 minutes ago but im gonna play some l4d2 with mineabuse now and then eat & head out
What time are you normally on (including zone)?
around this time... or late at night... like within 8 hours of this post or so
Someone I failed to mention lol. I think I can nominate NuneGa as being the best "Renegade Technical Analyst" lol. He knows all about the technical stuff in the game like glitches and other weird things even top players don't know. Would make one hell of a mod imo! edit: lol btw what's all this sniping fest in the thread! I honestly don't think that there can be too many absolutes here. I once used to think that I was the best flyer in all of Renegade and would love to claim it at every turn. It was embarrassing to find out how wrong I was lol. One thing I learned is that there is always someone out there who can turn you inside out and make you feel like a piece of shit. So I grew out of the habit of claiming anything for myself.
I don't feel like going on for 10 pages about this so we can just agree to disagree. And yea, I'm totally freaking out and raging over here.
i0ncl0ud9 wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 16:58 I don't feel like going on for 10 pages about this so we can just agree to disagree. And yea, I'm totally freaking out and raging over here. I was actually just fucking with you at first....then it go so serious! Blame Renegade. Sounds like a plan to me though.
Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 10:47 One thing I learned is that there is always someone out there who can turn you inside out and make you feel like a piece of shit. So I grew out of the habit of claiming anything for myself. WOW...this has been the only thing worth reading in all the years I've been playing Renegade. Thank you for typing this....this should be the fucking Golden Rule of ReneEgo.
argathol3 wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 11:33 Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 10:47 One thing I learned is that there is always someone out there who can turn you inside out and make you feel like a piece of shit. So I grew out of the habit of claiming anything for myself. WOW...this has been the only thing worth reading in all the years I've been playing Renegade. Thank you for typing this....this should be the fucking Golden Rule of ReneEgo. Agreed definitely. I've felt this way about multiplayer games in general for awhile now. I have a lot more fun playing online if I just accept I'm not the best and try my hardest to win regardless. Renegade especially.
Boomer's best playa So how can you guys play in Marathon? Doesn't it get stuck on certain maps for hours? I'm surprised by how popular it is. Thats the main reason I play in Jelly AOW, at least I know a map will end in 30 minutes. I'm going to be on this weekend for some renegames. Maybe we'll fire up some C-dubs. Might as well say 3 PM EST, whomever is around we'll play some clan/lobby wars. edit: Alright its official, tomorrow 3 PM EST, we'll use the clanwar server again I guess (unless theres something better). I'll be on MSN (internalnet@hotmail.com) at that time. Anyone is welcome, just make sure to have teamspeak. We'll do some clanwars, or if there is enough people, a bigger lobby war.
Marathon is nice if it's not field. Field marathon though, fucking shit in a chicken basket it takes 10 years to finish anyways, I dunno, in total? I can't really say, but from what I've seen Mike's pretty damn good I guess
Quote: I never said uded or kill. i know, you probably don't even know who uded is. the fact i pointed out that nobody mentioned uded or kill is because the question's about who's the best player now. Quote: And about tildeth, you can't just claim shit and then leave it at that, I asked if you had anything to back that up and obviously you don't or you would have posted it. back which part up? the fact i was saying he cheated long before anyone else said so? that's true. the fact i was better than him even when he recently cheated? i can't prove that either, but nonetheless that's true too. Quote: @whiskey, I personally wouldn't put karmai or ioncloud in the same list...sure they'd rape kids in public servers but hmmm... i think karmai's better than you give him credit for, or that he would claim for himself. Quote: Potential #1's: Simpee, Mike, Whiskey And I might as well make a hypothetical list, although I haven't played with anyone recently enough to really know. So a guess: 1. Simpee 2. Mike 3. Whiskey 4. Zell 5. IonCloud 6. Hitman 7. Spoony 8. Kill (could be at the top but only plays when I ask him to lol) If I missed another clanwar player, my bad, didn't mean to snub ya. Thats all I can think of, who still plays. i'm not sure why anyone except mike is higher than me on that list tbh, are we still talking about now? the only one on that list who knows nearly as much about strategy and leadership is you, and i can at the very least match anyone there in tanks... maybe a couple of them are better snipers. Quote: not going to go into actual AOW since people think public means anything at all lol, i mean who other than my man spoony and that faggot tildeth can play every game serious as fuck? and u cant even tell if ur anything good at playin as a team since reneteams usually consist of people who play for themselves ;/ say that if you like, but a lot of clanwars players do a lot more badly in large publics than they seem to find it easy to admit. and how about getting these selfish nooby teamplayers to do the right thing? most clanwars players just bitch and flame at them for not being as "pro" as them, whereas i encourage them to work as a team and let them know the most useful strats etc... Quote: Someone I failed to mention lol. I think I can nominate NuneGa as being the best "Renegade Technical Analyst" lol. He knows all about the technical stuff in the game like glitches and other weird things even top players don't know. Would make one hell of a mod imo! this is all true except the last sentence.
who would be a mod... your basically doing an admins job for free...
Quote: Potential #1's: Simpee, Mike, Whiskey And I might as well make a hypothetical list, although I haven't played with anyone recently enough to really know. So a guess: 1. Simpee 2. Mike 3. Whiskey 4. Zell 5. IonCloud 6. Hitman 7. Spoony 8. Kill (could be at the top but only plays when I ask him to lol) If I missed another clanwar player, my bad, didn't mean to snub ya. Thats all I can think of, who still plays. i'm not sure why anyone except mike is higher than me on that list tbh, are we still talking about now? the only one on that list who knows nearly as much about strategy and leadership is you, and i can at the very least match anyone there in tanks... maybe a couple of them are better snipers. -- In small games... lets say 10 v 10 and smaller and especially in anything less then 5v5s, everyone on that list is better than me (maybe im close to hitman and karmai, but they are probably still better) if we are considering a cw style game. Once the game starts to get bigger lets say 16v16 and higher, I would say am @ least as effective as most on that list with the exception of flying (I'm not too good at flying.) The gameplay starts to change once the game gets bigger and different strategies and ideas start to come into play. I have no doubt in smaller games that Spoony and Whisky pretty much have it down what to do but in larger games things are different sometimes. Not really playing clanwars until about 4-5 years after I first played, it was quite difficult for me to adjust to the strategy of smaller games, and even how tanks were utilized. Smaller games take a lot more strategy while also needing a considerable level of skill to do well in them, and everyone needs to be in sync. I can't remember how many times playing with orca in cws being like "fuck what should we do." It's a lot harder to change the way you are used to playing after playing the game a certain way for that long. I was never near the top of cw players but at least I was able to be competitive with the top clans and have fun. The games I enjoyed the most, and really were the most competitive, were flying maps where orca would fly and I would snipe. We always would lose more than we would win, but at least we would win occasionally. I fail @ quoting people btw
Spoony wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 16:26 i'm not sure why anyone except mike is higher than me on that list tbh, are we still talking about now? the only one on that list who knows nearly as much about strategy and leadership is you, and i can at the very least match anyone there in tanks... maybe a couple of them are better snipers I said the list was hypothetical, since I don't really have enough to go by besides past games and an odd public server appearance. Maybe after a few more lobby wars, and maybe even a clanwar or two, I can get a more realistic list happenin' As for you>Simpee... take it easy there buckshot, unless Simpee lost a finger or quit for a year.
or you could skip the hypothetical altogether and go by the most prominent evidence available, i.e. public-servers and comm wars. in which case your list would have to be pretty seriously reorganised.
Spoon I know you're near the top out of who's left, but to claim #1 over Simpee, to me, is a little far fetched. ps I pm'd Kill to come play some cw's this weekend but he's flipping H2reneburgzOrs. I'm in for cw's though tomorrow for whomever is on, LETS DO DIS
why? i'm far superior in tactics and leadership, especially in large games, at least as good with tanks (probably better), better flyer... he might be the better sniper, i'll concede that minor point. and do honesty and fairplay merit any consideration (in an era of undetectable cheats, i'd say yes)... if so he's not in the top ten at all.
i think you squirted some personal beef juice in the eyes
lmao if all this arguing over who's the best doesn't prove how retarded and egotistical almost all clanwars players are, i dont know what does
well from what I've been told, Spoony is the only human from clanwars
GoTWhisKéY wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 21:44 i think you squirted some personal beef juice in the eyes please feel free to isolate anything i said that you think is, like, not right.
Wow.. This topic is fucking epic.. I cant believe people are actually arguing about who the best Renegader is. Spoon, would you please stop with the Im best leader all cos you ran .cc. I don't know many .cc players but from the ones I have played against in public (last year) I have to say Whiskey is a really good player. I remember getting my med raped against his light in field with no other tanks about.. (I could have got out and repaired but i didnt and therefore he out tanked me) Its all well and good knowing how to do certain strats but to do them well is something entirely different. We all make mistakes, noone is perfect so spoon you might be renegod one day but the next you wont be.. Just like on glacier the other day when you was camping on the bridge with your mammy attacking a dead strip for about 10mins. Why dont we all just say spoony is the best player cos he really isn't going to drop it until he gets the last post that states he is the best renegader.. Something to be proud I guess. In closing; wow I still cant believe this topic was actually seriously created.
Spoony does more in AOW than simpee simpee may not care or try or whatever but that's how it is same goes for hitman
spoony is one of the best trolls nowadays thats for sure.
Caveman wrote on Sat, 13 November 2010 01:23 I cant believe people are actually arguing about who the best Renegader is. Spoon, would you please stop with the Im best leader all cos you ran .cc. i'm talking about in-game leading, not managing a ladder. if you're going to freak out at a topic, at least read it first, hmm? Quote: Its all well and good knowing how to do certain strats but to do them well is something entirely different. We all make mistakes, noone is perfect so spoon you might be renegod one day but the next you wont be.. Just like on glacier the other day when you was camping on the bridge with your mammy attacking a dead strip for about 10mins. the fact you have to lie through your teeth to make a point ought to make you stop and wonder "should i really be so angry right now?" Quote: Why dont we all just say spoony is the best player cos he really isn't going to drop it until he gets the last post that states he is the best renegader.. Something to be proud I guess. why you are so angry? is it because you lost the argument in the server-owner's forum and it's spilling over into any thread you see me post in? whatever the reason, just chill out.
Hahaah man you're so classic. I dont recall losing any argument in that thread I simply gave up talking to someone who wasn't going to accept any other opinion that wasn't his. Kinda hard to talk to brick walls. Leading a team or a ladder its all the same you think you're gods gift for some unknown reason. When there isn't anything special about you. I am lying through my teeth about what? About you in Atomix like 3 days ago sitting on the bridge on Glacier_flying attacking a dead building that had been dead for 10mins even though you was told it was dead? Would you care for me to pull the logs?
Caveman wrote on Sat, 13 November 2010 05:38 I dont recall losing any argument in that thread I simply gave up talking to someone who wasn't going to accept any other opinion that wasn't his. Kinda hard to talk to brick walls. so many people say this when they lose an argument. whatever makes you feel better. it HAS to be something wrong with the person you lost the argument to... the explanation CAN'T POSSIBLY be that you were just plain wrong, can it? it's only an internet argument, friend... learn to deal with it. Quote: Leading a team or a ladder its all the same uh, no, there's a big difference between successfully managing a clan ladder or a community or whatever, and successfully leading a team to victory inside a computer game. Quote: you think you're gods gift for some unknown reason. again, why do you feel the need to lie? I've seen this before in a lot of arguments too... whenever someone can't refute what you say, they make up something you didn't say instead. it's always a sign of desperation. Quote: I am lying through my teeth about what? About you in Atomix like 3 days ago sitting on the bridge on Glacier_flying attacking a dead building that had been dead for 10mins even though you was told it was dead? Would you care for me to pull the logs? 10 minutes is the lie, and such a hideous one that it truly shows your desperation. 10 seconds might be nearer the mark. i'd been afk for a second and missed it dying, and on glacier the buildings don't look different when they're dead. whatever, if you think that small mistake that did no harm to the team means anything, then how angry it must make you that i killed the hand and the ob single-handedly, and had BY FAR the biggest score in the whole game thanks to hammering buildings and smashing tanks up. if you're gonna flame anyone from that game, it might be the guy who jumped to GDI when nod was 5000 down with only the ob, PP and ref. but you won't say anything about that, because you didn't lose an argument to him the day before... so you've no reason to be furious.
Dude you actually make me laugh, honestly, I can kinda see why people say that you're a cool guy. You're a joker, right? People say talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. You REFUSE to accept anyone elses opinion if it doesn't match you own. Lets think about it.. If it was just me cos im renemad cos I lost an arguement why is it everyone else comes to the same conclusion? Well no not really, both need someone who can actually talk to someone and not make them feel like you're better then them. Both require someone with drive. I'd say they had a lot in common with each other. Have you or have you not said that you're better then everyone else at Ren? At running a cw ladder? At leading a team? etcccc That kinda gives off the impression that you're god. Be honest now, it was kinda longer then 10secs, ok fine it wasn't exactly 10mins but still you was told multiple times and you just carried on. It was a mistake which happens, therefore that game you wasn't the best rene player. Come on now, you wasn't 'smashing' tanks up at all. You whored on the strip for ages. I was the one who was smashing up tanks cos I was the one covering you with an orca. A higher score doesn't always mean better player, you generated a lot of points by whoring of the buildings, no? (Yeah you killed a few buildings, congrats) Yeah that guy on Nod made me lol when he tc'd and handed out credits. All im saying is you need to stop classing yourself as mr high almighty which you seem to do on a daily basis. Im not furious with you Spoony, just think you're really hard to talk to and therefore makes you a prick On a side note; I did enjoy playing with you for that brief time.
Highest reneachievement ever.
Caveman wrote on Sat, 13 November 2010 06:07 Dude you actually make me laugh, honestly, I can kinda see why people say that you're a cool guy. You're a joker, right? this is what people who are really angry during forum arguments always say... i suppose it's easier than facing up to the fact that you're freaking out just because you were wrong over the internet. Quote: People say talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. always, and i mean always, IMMEDIATELY after they lose an argument. Quote: You REFUSE to accept anyone elses opinion if it doesn't match you own. like i said before, whatever makes you feel better about the fact you were completely wrong. Quote: Lets think about it.. If it was just me cos im renemad cos I lost an arguement why is it everyone else comes to the same conclusion? because you're not the only person who freaks out when they lose an internet argument, and you're not the only person who thinks that if someone defeated them there must be something wrong with them rather than "maybe i was wrong". it's exactly the same as saying someone cheated because they beat you in the game... the only difference is, when some n00b does that, everyone can see what an idiot they're being. Quote: Have you or have you not said that you're better then everyone else at Ren? in response to teh question "who are the best players around nowadays", i've given my honest response. would you prefer false modesty? i repudiated that already. Quote: At running a cw ladder? you aren't seriously disputing the fact i have a better track record of running a renegade clan ladder than anybody else? to say that is just to state the facts of the matter. Quote: At leading a team? again, i think there's a strong case to be made there... look at the renforums community team, most of whom had never even played comm matches before at all. under my strategic leadership, they won the RGCT. Quote: etcccc That kinda gives off the impression that you're god. like i said, you can't dispute what i actually say, so you make up something i didn't say and laugh at that instead. it just shows how desperate and dishonest you are. Quote: Be honest now, it was kinda longer then 10secs, ok fine it wasn't exactly 10mins you say it was 10 mins and you're telling me to be honest? wow Quote: Come on now, you wasn't 'smashing' tanks up at all. You whored on the strip for ages. I was the one who was smashing up tanks cos I was the one covering you with an orca. A higher score doesn't always mean better player, you generated a lot of points by whoring of the buildings, no? (Yeah you killed a few buildings, congrats) it's interesting that you mention "you killed a few buildings, congrats" as if this is an afterthought. i killed the hand single-handedly in the beginning of the game - no saks, no ravs, and a limited number of techs. i killed the ob single-handedly late on, meaning we could swarm in and finish the job. do you think these are trivial matters if we're talking about a player's effect on the game? if so, just come out with it. on to "whored on teh airstrip". tell me, what's bad about hammering an enemy building, forcing the enemy to repair and deal with your tank? are you one of these dumbasses who doesn't realise what a big help to your team that is? you talk like someone who's very new to this game. let me fill you in on something: throwing the word "whore" into a sentence doesn't automatically make it meaningful. and "you wasn't smashing tanks up at all", i was shooting down apaches left and right... with a mammoth. Quote: All im saying is you need to stop classing yourself as mr high almighty which you seem to do on a daily basis. Im not furious with you Spoony, just think you're really hard to talk to and therefore makes you a prick like i said, if you lose an argument, it can't be because you were wrong. it HAS to be something fishy about what the other person said. it's exactly the same as thinking anyone who beat you in renegade must be cheating. EXACTLY the same.
no beef to spoony but when the league was active, simpee was better than spoony, also people feared simpee quite alot more... u can check other's opinion about this in the numerous polls made on cw.cc forum in the past, askin you to put down the best 10 players. I just think simpee's gameplay was more dynamic than spoonys, but in essence the tactics used by alot of clans were very often quite the same, im sure simpee would have some trouble beating spoony and his mate in a 2v2, regardless of map/side... but i think in the end simpee will win the majority of the games i dont think simpee every really played bigger clanwars like 5v5+ so im sure spoony has more experience in there, but 5v5's etc were never really played on clanwars.cc so therefor overall i rate simpee as better.
Spoony wrote on Sat, 13 November 2010 13:48 Caveman wrote on Sat, 13 November 2010 06:07 Dude you actually make me laugh, honestly, I can kinda see why people say that you're a cool guy. You're a joker, right? this is what people who are really angry during forum arguments always say... i suppose it's easier than facing up to the fact that you're freaking out just because you were wrong over the internet. Quote: People say talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. always, and i mean always, IMMEDIATELY after they lose an argument. Quote: You REFUSE to accept anyone elses opinion if it doesn't match you own. like i said before, whatever makes you feel better about the fact you were completely wrong. Quote: Lets think about it.. If it was just me cos im renemad cos I lost an arguement why is it everyone else comes to the same conclusion? because you're not the only person who freaks out when they lose an internet argument, and you're not the only person who thinks that if someone defeated them there must be something wrong with them rather than "maybe i was wrong". it's exactly the same as saying someone cheated because they beat you in the game... the only difference is, when some n00b does that, everyone can see what an idiot they're being. Quote: Have you or have you not said that you're better then everyone else at Ren? in response to teh question "who are the best players around nowadays", i've given my honest response. would you prefer false modesty? i repudiated that already. Quote: At running a cw ladder? you aren't seriously disputing the fact i have a better track record of running a renegade clan ladder than anybody else? to say that is just to state the facts of the matter. Quote: At leading a team? again, i think there's a strong case to be made there... look at the renforums community team, most of whom had never even played comm matches before at all. under my strategic leadership, they won the RGCT. Quote: etcccc That kinda gives off the impression that you're god. like i said, you can't dispute what i actually say, so you make up something i didn't say and laugh at that instead. it just shows how desperate and dishonest you are. Quote: Be honest now, it was kinda longer then 10secs, ok fine it wasn't exactly 10mins you say it was 10 mins and you're telling me to be honest? wow Quote: Come on now, you wasn't 'smashing' tanks up at all. You whored on the strip for ages. I was the one who was smashing up tanks cos I was the one covering you with an orca. A higher score doesn't always mean better player, you generated a lot of points by whoring of the buildings, no? (Yeah you killed a few buildings, congrats) it's interesting that you mention "you killed a few buildings, congrats" as if this is an afterthought. i killed the hand single-handedly in the beginning of the game - no saks, no ravs, and a limited number of techs. i killed the ob single-handedly late on, meaning we could swarm in and finish the job. do you think these are trivial matters if we're talking about a player's effect on the game? if so, just come out with it. on to "whored on teh airstrip". tell me, what's bad about hammering an enemy building, forcing the enemy to repair and deal with your tank? are you one of these dumbasses who doesn't realise what a big help to your team that is? you talk like someone who's very new to this game. let me fill you in on something: throwing the word "whore" into a sentence doesn't automatically make it meaningful. and "you wasn't smashing tanks up at all", i was shooting down apaches left and right... with a mammoth. Quote: All im saying is you need to stop classing yourself as mr high almighty which you seem to do on a daily basis. Im not furious with you Spoony, just think you're really hard to talk to and therefore makes you a prick like i said, if you lose an argument, it can't be because you were wrong. it HAS to be something fishy about what the other person said. it's exactly the same as thinking anyone who beat you in renegade must be cheating. EXACTLY the same. Heh, Im not freaking out at all, as I keep telling you. I don't know why you keep saying this, maybe its a sign of depression? Maybe you really need to believe this so you keep telling me it? I dont see where I was wrong. How can one be wrong when its just an opinion? Im not disputing anything, I was never in .cc and I never plan on joining .cc or anything of the alike so I can't say anything about your leader shit skills and I don't im just restating what you have said about yourself. Noone has ever been better then you and nor will they, right? Be honest now Spoony, have you ever thought to yourself that maybe YOU was wrong? Maybe what these other people are telling you are right? I assume you haven't. I don't think you can actually face that. I think it would tear you apart. When you took charge of this comm war or whatever it was, did you speak to these players like you speak to people on here that dont agree with you or did you speak to them civilly? Im gonna go with the latter and that is why they won. Yes they were under your orders however you spoke to them decently. I fail to see where I have been dishonest... I exaggerated the AS thing, I wasn't dishonest. I was merely pointing out that everyone makes mistakes so you wasn't best reneplayer that do some other .cc was. Yeah you killed the hand right at the start of the game and if you dont recall I came very close to killing there ref had it not been for a bad (for me) spawn, I got busted as I was throwing my motes. I never once said that you weren't a help to our team so I don't know why you think I have? However as I recall it wasn't spoony vs 7 pub server players. Again, what argument have I lost? The one in server owners? I stood back because you wasn't going to listen. Im not going to waste my time retyping thing I had already said. If you want to take that as 'Yay I was right AGAIN and add it to your RenForums HOF' then so be it. I think someone is taking this internet business a little too seriously.
Quote: no beef to spoony but when the league was active, simpee was better than spoony, also people feared simpee quite alot more... u can check other's opinion about this in the numerous polls made on cw.cc forum in the past, askin you to put down the best 10 players. I just think simpee's gameplay was more dynamic than spoonys, but in essence the tactics used by alot of clans were very often quite the same, im sure simpee would have some trouble beating spoony and his mate in a 2v2, regardless of map/side... but i think in the end simpee will win the majority of the games i dont think simpee every really played bigger clanwars like 5v5+ so im sure spoony has more experience in there, but 5v5's etc were never really played on clanwars.cc so therefor overall i rate simpee as better. ... not a single word of this relates to the question Quote: Im not disputing anything, I was never in .cc and I never plan on joining .cc or anything of the alike so I can't say anything about your leader shit skills and I don't im just restating what you have said about yourself. Noone has ever been better then you and nor will they, right? and yet again, you clearly have so much trouble disputing what i say, but you can't bring yourself to admit it... so you make up something and pretend i said it. "Noone has ever been better then you and nor will they, right?" not only did i clearly never say this, you can fairly easily infer that i think the exact opposite from my earlier post about Uded and Kill. but if you'd rather lie than face up to losing an argument, go ahead and show everyone your colours. Quote: Be honest now Spoony, have you ever thought to yourself that maybe YOU was wrong? Maybe what these other people are telling you are right? I assume you haven't. I don't think you can actually face that. I think it would tear you apart. the whole point of a debate is to give everyone the opportunity to make assertions and back them up, and i'm always the most in favour of an open debate. so your theory doesn't really survive a collision with the evidence, does it? Quote: When you took charge of this comm war or whatever it was, did you speak to these players like you speak to people on here that dont agree with you or did you speak to them civilly? Im gonna go with the latter and that is why they won. Yes they were under your orders however you spoke to them decently. my posts towards you are more civil than your posts towards me. Quote: I fail to see where I have been dishonest... I exaggerated the AS thing, I wasn't dishonest. yes, you were dishonest. 10 minutes? what the fuck? more importantly, you've several times pretended i said things i clearly did not say. that, friend, is very dishonest indeed, and you carry on trying it even after you're caught. Quote: I was merely pointing out that everyone makes mistakes so you wasn't best reneplayer that do some other .cc was. i'm having a bit of trouble understanding this sentence, maybe there's a typo or two... you mind having another go at it? Quote: Yeah you killed the hand right at the start of the game and if you dont recall I came very close to killing there ref had it not been for a bad (for me) spawn, I got busted as I was throwing my motes. you must think killing buildings is worthwhile after all, else you wouldn't mention your failed attempt to kill the ref. Quote: I never once said that you weren't a help to our team so I don't know why you think I have? However as I recall it wasn't spoony vs 7 pub server players. i wonder if you realise just how little your previous post indicated that you know about renegade strategy. look at what you said before... killing buildings seems trivial, hammering buildings for a long time forcing the enemy to repair and deal with your assault seems almost to be a bad thing... i don't seem to have picked up any credit for shooting multiple apaches down with a mammoth either. Quote: Again, what argument have I lost? The one in server owners? I stood back because you wasn't going to listen. Im not going to waste my time retyping thing I had already said. you're either lying again or you're a COMPLETE moron, dude. anyone can read that thread and see i listened to everything you said, and replied to all of it pointing out why you were being stupid and selfish. you, meanwhile, repeatedly dodged most of my points. so you're a liar as well as a hypocrite, well done.
ok then i will respond to the original question asked by starbuzz: i am best playah and everyone who disagrees will be executed in the renefields of death. thanks.
The reason why you haven't said any of these things I have said you did is because you've been very careful how you've worded it. You've implied everything I have said. You think you're the best at everything and everyone else's opinion either doesn't count or is invalid. I dont see how or where I have been uncivil to you? I haven't flamed you with the exception of calling you a prick because of your attitude, which in my defense is my opinion that I am entitled to right? Dont agree to it? I don't care. You know exactly what you're doing with the things you say, you know how to press peoples buttons to get a reaction out of them. Some people choose to ingnore however I don't think its fair that you can talk down to people because you think you're right. If you're right about something then that is fine but there is no need to be a sore winner. I never once said killing buildings wasn't worthwhile.. Did I imply that? If so, that wasn't my intention. All I said was for the best part of the game you was whoring on the strip. I never said you didnt do anything else. Now who is saying things that I never said? I dont see any credit for covering your ass with my orca, what you expect? You bitched about 0x90 being trusted and I agreed with you however I said if he was to be trusted he could benefit the team whereas anyone could do you 'job' and comment on gameplay balance. As I said in that topic I wasn't out to take sides or to flame you I just thought it was unfair you was being a dick towards EWD so I thought i'd step in and give my two pennies, which you didnt listen to and I gave up trying to explain it to you. So I believe someone else carried it on. At the end of the day Spoon, if you spoke to people without whats the word.. Snobbiness? Attitude? Im not exactly sure on the word, people wouldnt have half the problem with you. As I said to you in PM I don't have a problem with you its just your attitude, its generally the attitude I saw while browsing .cc before. You best player, you're this, you're that, noone else mattered. I see myself again sitting here trying to explain to you something that you're; A) Never going to accept. B) Don't care to listen to. Aslong as you're Mr. Right nothing else matters?
CONCLUSION: Spoony is good, but definitely not the best player (even if that only includes those who still play), which I said like 3 pages back...
Caveman wrote on Sat, 13 November 2010 10:33 The reason why you haven't said any of these things I have said you did is because you've been very careful how you've worded it. You've implied everything I have said. why are you lying through your teeth again? wasn't it bad enough that you've already been caught doing so? why make it worse? here's one of the things you lied and pretended i said: "Noone has ever been better then you and nor will they, right?" study these two quotes from me (posted earlier than the lie you said there ^^): "furthermore, starbuzzz's question is about who's best playa now, not several years ago, hence nobody mentioning uded or kill." "kill was the best player in renegade for a maybe 3-year stretch, he's rusty now though" clearly, i think the opposite of the lie you tried to pretend i said. you can infer it from the first quote and you can explicitly read it in the second quote. just admit you lied about this, don't make it even worse by saying i'm "careful how i worded it". Quote: You think you're the best at everything everything? gosh. i certainly didn't claim that. Quote: and everyone else's opinion either doesn't count or is invalid. again, you don't seem to realise how dishonest you're being. if you can't refute what i actually say, there's no shame in admitting it. it makes you a sad liar, though, to pretend i said things i did not say (or in some of your attempts, actually said the exact opposite) Quote: I dont see how or where I have been uncivil to you? I haven't flamed you with the exception of calling you a prick because of your attitude, which in my defense is my opinion that I am entitled to right? Dont agree to it? I don't care. if you don't think you're being uncivil, i guess your consistent lying is some kind of pathological compulsion rather than a conscious attempt to save e-face. Quote: You know exactly what you're doing with the things you say, you know how to press peoples buttons to get a reaction out of them. Some people choose to ingnore however I don't think its fair that you can talk down to people because you think you're right. If you're right about something then that is fine but there is no need to be a sore winner. like i said, this nonsense is exactly the same as calling someone a cheater because they beat you. Quote: I never once said killing buildings wasn't worthwhile.. Did I imply that? If so, that wasn't my intention. fine. Quote: All I said was for the best part of the game you was whoring on the strip. yes, as if it was a bad thing, which any fool can see it isn't. you seem to think putting the word "whoring" in a sentence about renegade means you actually have a point. newsflash, it doesn't. you said "ok, you killed the hand and the ob" as if these are afterthoughts. (you say you didn't really mean that, fine), you say i didn't really kill vehicles (untrue, i was taking apaches down...) Quote: I never said you didnt do anything else. Now who is saying things that I never said? you, because i didn't say that you said that do yourself a favour, don't try to be clever Quote: I dont see any credit for covering your ass with my orca, what you expect? i haven't said anything bad about your contribution to the team in that game. Quote: You bitched about 0x90 being trusted and I agreed with you however I said if he was to be trusted he could benefit the team whereas anyone could do you 'job' and comment on gameplay balance. and i said i don't think anyone else could do it as well as i do. yet i prompted you to name names, and you didn't. Quote: As I said in that topic I wasn't out to take sides or to flame you I just thought it was unfair you was being a dick towards EWD you think *I* was being a dick towards him? wow, you really did miss a lot. i've never done anything wrong to him, despite the UNBELIEVABLY pathetic way he behaved recently, which he still hasn't apologised for. Quote: so I thought i'd step in and give my two pennies, which you didnt listen to and I gave up trying to explain it to you. again, you're lying through your teeth. that thread is still there in the server owner section. anyone with access can read it. they can plainly see that i am "listening to" what you said, and replied to everything you said. why do you keep lying? furthermore, they can also see that you repeatedly dodge several of the points i make. you're not only a liar, you're a hypocrite. Quote: At the end of the day Spoon, if you spoke to people without whats the word.. Snobbiness? Attitude? Im not exactly sure on the word, people wouldnt have half the problem with you. As I said to you in PM I don't have a problem with you its just your attitude, its generally the attitude I saw while browsing .cc before. You best player, you're this, you're that, noone else mattered. you realise you haven't actually demonstrated that there's anything wrong with what i've said? whereas you've been caught lying quite a lot of times in a very brief period. Quote: I see myself again sitting here trying to explain to you something that you're; A) Never going to accept. B) Don't care to listen to. A) would only be a criticism in my direction if it was due to my stubbornness as opposed to the fact you were wrong, and since you have been wrong several times (and caught lying even more often)... B) is an obvious lie, as we've seen.