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Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: liquidv2 wrote on Thu, 28 October 2010 18:05 clearsh0t and simpee thought it was an outrage that pointmod servers would have more rank than original point servers i don't think they understood that it was either the proposed handicap against it or no ladder at all; if they did it was just stubbornness firstly, as to which you allude, they were too stupid to see that the move was yet another compromise in their direction, in spite of the fact nobody on their side would ever budge an inch the other way. secondly, they were so angry at not getting their way ("their way" meaning they alone would make the decisions about the TT/BHS ladder) that they actively tried to sabotage it. this is almost exactly what they tried to do to the clanwars league earlier on for exactly the same reason. thirdly, how was it done? ENDLESSLY lying to the community (i'm talking pages and pages and pages, as you well know), knowingly making accusations that -a- they knew at the time were lies and -b- they didn't even have the common sense to withdraw once they were disproven, and against -c- someone who'd never done them anything but favours. (i'll add -d- trying to cover up their own past offences) their goal was to impose their own opinion upon someone else's ladder project, with no regard at all for debate or "democracy" or the rights of the people who owned it, and the method by which they tried to do it was one of the most dishonest things this game has ever seen. i hate to remind you, liquid, that while they were doing this, i kept trying over and over and over again to point out to you that this is what they were doing to the clanwars league - you unfailingly took their side (i.e. the right of cheaters and pointpushers and rulebreakers and compulsive liars to impose their will on someone else's league, instead of the league owner and duly appointed admin's right to decide how their own project should be run). the problem wasn't what these cheaters were doing, the problem was i supposedl…
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-10-29T00:39:36-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: Quote: secondly, they were so angry at not getting their way ("their way" meaning they alone would make the decisions about the TT/BHS ladder) that they actively tried to sabotage it. i think they were mad that original points servers would be penalized and not held at the same value as pointmod servers, and that's why they said Fuck Spoony and fuck the TT ladder i don't remember them saying they wanted control of the ladder or anything like that Quote: i think the original renegade points system westwood designed (i.e. pointsfix) is superior gameplay in every way to that fucking retarded bug/mod where you can get points for absolutely no reason (?!) idk, games seem closer with the bugged points i have fun in both but it's definitely easier with the original points to gain income and use it against the enemy the enemy is more than welcome to do the same against me i do agree that the game is more fair with the pointmod, in terms of point distribution does it balance the game more? idk, i think it makes Nod do better more often than GDI in public servers more so than the original points is that a bad thing? depends on your perspective Quote: i do not, however, think the original ladder system westwood designed is ideal at all. i can vastly improve upon it. so, "it's what westwood intended" is by no means the beginning and the end of the argument. they did a fine job designing the points system, they did a pathetic job designing the ladder. like i said, if i didn't say that now i'd almost certainly be saying it later. who's saying the westwood ladder is the best way to rank renegade? it's a stupid argument we have the chance now to make one that's far more in-depth than theirs had a chance to be you rant entirely too much about how bad of people simpee and clearsh0t are it had nothing to do with anything in this case and i've heard it all before and i thought i covered this in my post Quote: firstly, as to which you allude, they were too stupid to see that the move wa…
creator: liquidv2
date: 2010-10-29T02:00:58-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: liquidv2 wrote on Thu, 28 October 2010 20:00 i don't remember them saying they wanted control of the ladder or anything like that well, they certainly didn't want to be admins (i recruit for renadmins and they don't apply, cos that means you actually have to do some work), but they still want to make all the decisions nonetheless, and either threaten or carry out direct action if they're not obeyed. Quote: i have fun in both but it's definitely easier with the original points to gain income and use it against the enemy that's right. if you can get points and money for absolutely no reason, it is easier to get money. well observed. Quote: the enemy is more than welcome to do the same against me i do agree that the game is more fair with the pointmod, in terms of point distribution does it balance the game more? idk, i think it makes Nod do better more often than GDI in public servers more so than the original points is that a bad thing? depends on your perspective a lot of people in public servers still don't really know how to play GDI properly. Quote: Quote: i do not, however, think the original ladder system westwood designed is ideal at all. i can vastly improve upon it. so, "it's what westwood intended" is by no means the beginning and the end of the argument. they did a fine job designing the points system, they did a pathetic job designing the ladder. like i said, if i didn't say that now i'd almost certainly be saying it later. [color=skyblue]who's saying the westwood ladder is the best way to rank renegade? it's a stupid argument we have the chance now to make one that's far more in-depth than theirs had a chance to be i was pre-empting an objection. Quote: you rant entirely too much about how bad of people simpee and clearsh0t are it had nothing to do with anything in this case and i've heard it all before has everything to do with what troop said. you have indeed heard it all before (and usually sided with them) Quote: Quote: firstly, as to which you allud…
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-10-29T02:54:57-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: liquidv2 wrote on Thu, 28 October 2010 18:05 why would you (troop) or anyone want only clanwars players designing a ladder that affects non-clanwars players more? I think everyone is forgetting a very important point...whats the purpose of a ladder? To increase competition. Who would be better to design such a system than those who play at the HIGHEST competitive level themselves? Letting public server players decide how a central ladder for this game would work, is like letting the obese decide who competes in the olympics...... And Spoony, I think your putting me into the wrong time frame lol because I was there when (not just him but yah) soul "disagreed" with you when you wanted to change some rules. @clanwar players being good in small games but not larger ones...LOL? No clue where you got this idea from, but if someone can win 2v2's against decent players, they will have no trouble at all getting an MVP in jelly aow.....
creator: trooprm02
date: 2010-10-29T03:54:37-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Thu, 28 October 2010 22:54 I think everyone is forgetting a very important point...whats the purpose of a ladder? To increase competition. Who would be better to design such a system than those who play at the HIGHEST competitive level themselves? Letting public server players decide how a central ladder for this game would work, is like letting the obese decide who competes in the olympics...... i think obese people do decide who competes, just sayin the HIGHEST competitive level is a clanwar to you renegade was actually designed for bigger than that why would you be better at making a ladder than someone that plays intended renegade? you're all about little games go make a clanwar renegade ladder for small games if you know so much about competitive renegade because that will affect you
creator: liquidv2
date: 2010-10-29T03:58:06-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: no one can argue rationally that the original points were intended i'm not saying that either; what i am saying is that despite it being bugged it might be the reason renegade is still around or alive and kicking it allows for more flexibility as far as games go, even though it's unfair and flawed if it were such a problem people would have quit playing it years ago but they've played on Quote: you perhaps missed simpee saying that if he had his way, no servers would be allowed to use the pointsfix at all? something which - as i keep unsuccessfully trying to remind you - they tried to put into action when i was originally testing the pointsfix at clanwars, and you supported them when they did? no, what i kept saying was i thought you were a douche for putting the pointmod in clanwars despite the fact that seemingly 90% of your players didn't want it which, you had every right in the world to do, it's your league you wanted the game to be more balanced and fair they could have gone somewhere else but they trust and stand by you - to them and much of renegade there is no clanwars now without Spoony clanwars doesn't have to be a democracy, but people can easily say that you're a douche for ignoring your player base instead of making the game more fun for it and making decision that please it saying i support them (clear and simpee) getting the pointmod removed from renegade is a load of shit lol i don't think they went out of their way to get people to avoid the TT ladder, one of them made a post saying Everyone forget about this shit it's Spoony and he's stubborn and the ladder is bullshit don't even worry about it in their own words that's hardly leading a rebellion like you're describing it to be
creator: liquidv2
date: 2010-10-29T04:06:50-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: "no, what i kept saying was i thought you were a douche for putting the pointmod in clanwars despite the fact that seemingly 90% of your players didn't want it"
creator: Gen_Blacky
date: 2010-10-29T05:35:19-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Thu, 28 October 2010 22:54 I think everyone is forgetting a very important point...whats the purpose of a ladder? To increase competition. Who would be better to design such a system than those who play at the HIGHEST competitive level themselves? Letting public server players decide how a central ladder for this game would work, is like letting the obese decide who competes in the olympics...... so you're not at all in favour of it being 'democratically' decided, is what you're saying? Quote: And Spoony, I think your putting me into the wrong time frame lol because I was there when (not just him but yah) soul "disagreed" with you when you wanted to change some rules. uh no, i'm talking about when he pointpushed with photoshopped screenshots, lying to everyone (including his own clan) in the process, and i was the only person who thought he should be punished for it. everyone else at clanwars (give or take maybe 2 people) thought he should be let off because he played twice as much as everyone else. Quote: no one can argue rationally that the original points were intended which is to say that the overwhelming majority of people who've weighed in on the pointsfix debates were not doing so rationally. Quote: i'm not saying that either; what i am saying is that despite it being bugged it might be the reason renegade is still around or alive and kicking good lord Quote: it allows for more flexibility as far as games go, even though it's unfair and flawed "flexibility" means half the tactics available don't work because the enemy gets more points defending against them than you get by using them to attack, does it? but to compensate for all these unfeasible ways to play, you have the option of just shooting tanks with a sniper all game, achieving absolutely nothing but getting an extraordinary amount of points for doing so. Quote: if it were such a problem people would have quit playing it years ago but they've played on shall i repeat one of the thing…
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-10-29T12:23:32-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: C'mon now liquid! Renegade is alive and kicking because the remaining players can't get enough of it no matter how hard and long they play. No matter how many times I swoop down and squish some Havoc or kill a sneaking Hotwire with an Apache (75 times yesterday in 1 game lol), I still am left unsatisfied and so am going to play again now! This is why this game is hard to leave!!!! It is a addictive formula that appeals to many.
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2010-10-29T20:19:51-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: i'm gonna ask CarrierII or Gozy to split this, i think the ladder discussion is important Quote: shall i repeat one of the things i kept saying about how the point bug affected clanwars? renegade's overall prosperity and survival as a whole has less to do with clanwars than you think the majority of ren players don't play competitive renegade i said what i said about the pointmod based on what i've noticed over time Quote: perhaps you also remember that i listed everyone who was outraged at the thought of the game being fairer; it was no coincidence that every single one of them had a track record of cheating, pointpushing, rulebreaking, dishonesty etc - something i kept pointing out to you over and over again and i couldn't seem to get you to care about. you think a cheater and compulsive liar like robo's opinion on how a league should be run is worth as much as mine? you listed several players that openly disagreed via the clanwars forums with your decision to use the pointmod in clanwars you act as if those players were the only ones that didn't want it used in clanwars; the majority if the league did not want it used, and those players did not make up the majority alone and don't talk about robo, the whole c4smoke CVS thing has done enough for the kid let his renputation rest peacefully Quote: they didn't trust or stand by me, yah they did; why do you think they stuck around? Quote: they actively tried to sabotage the league through a campaign of lies, rigged polls and manipulation. what do you mean sabotage the league? Quote: for example, they went secretly to the clanwars server owners and totally lied about what was going on in the forums at the time to get them to change the server settings. that's a bitch move, but if the servers were not set to your settings then by default the games would mean nothing sure their settings would be in place, but you could put a dead stop to your ladder until they agree to play by your rules Quote: indeed, and the people you…
creator: liquidv2
date: 2010-10-29T23:29:40-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: liquidv2 wrote on Fri, 29 October 2010 18:29 you listed several players that openly disagreed via the clanwars forums with your decision to use the pointmod in clanwars you act as if those players were the only ones that didn't want it used in clanwars; the majority if the league did not want it used, and those players did not make up the majority alone please don't lie, you're better than that. i listed every single person who expressed their opposition to the correct points system being used at clanwars.cc, and every single one of them - without exception - had a shitty track record in terms of fairplay and honesty. it was a rogue's gallery, remember? Quote: Quote: they didn't trust or stand by me, yah they did; why do you think they stuck around? wanting to use my clan ladder on their own terms, without the slightest respect for the person who owns and runs it and wanting to make all the admin decisions themselves without having to do any of the actual work does not constitute "trusting" or "sticking by" me. Quote: Quote: they actively tried to sabotage the league through a campaign of lies, rigged polls and manipulation. what do you mean sabotage the league? why have i had to explain this so many times already? i said it over and over and over again at the time it was happening, is it so much to expect that you listen to what the person you're arguing with is saying? Quote: Quote: for example, they went secretly to the clanwars server owners and totally lied about what was going on in the forums at the time to get them to change the server settings. that's a bitch move, but if the servers were not set to your settings then by default the games would mean nothing unless the players reported games illegally, as players like simpee and clearshot already had a history of doing... Quote: sure their settings would be in place, but you could put a dead stop to your ladder until they agree to play by your rules i'm sure you'd be firmly on their side if i did. Quote: the…
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-10-30T00:21:32-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: Quote: please don't lie, you're better than that. i listed every single person who expressed their opposition to the correct points system being used at clanwars.cc, and every single one of them - without exception - had a shitty track record in terms of fairplay and honesty. it was a rogue's gallery, remember? i was under the assumption that there was a poll about using the pointmod in clanwars and that the vast majority said No, don't use it you act as if this alliance of cheaters, liars, and rapists is that majority clanwars at the time must have consisted of 15 or less players Quote: wanting to use my clan ladder on their own terms, without the slightest respect for the person who owns and runs it and wanting to make all the admin decisions themselves without having to do any of the actual work does not constitute "trusting" or "sticking by" me. the only way in their eyes to have clanwars is the spoony way, but when the spoony way went against what they wanted they tried to get it changed they might not show you respect but they respect what you've done enough to want to use it themselves Quote: why have i had to explain this so many times already? i said it over and over and over again at the time it was happening, is it so much to expect that you listen to what the person you're arguing with is saying? it seems to me like you're blowing things they did out of proportion we have different views on things, which is why i wanted you to summarize it for me so i could figure out what you mean you won't so i can't be sure either way Quote: unless the players reported games illegally, as players like simpee and clearshot already had a history of doing... you're the admin, you can nullify them i'm saying you can shut it down until the servers are changed back Quote: i'm sure you'd be firmly on their side if i did. why do you say that? Quote: again, euphemism. they're cheaters and compulsive liars. you're cheaters and compulsive liars. Quote: and yet every single perso…
creator: liquidv2
date: 2010-10-30T01:25:19-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: spoony the wars over bro.. all of the "anti pointfix" people are gone or no longer care anymore so u may aswell stop the reputation rape. u can set the ladder at -80% for playing on a non pointfix server and theres not a clanwar player who would say anything against it
creator: ELiT3FLyR
date: 2010-10-30T01:58:24-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: liquidv2 wrote on Fri, 29 October 2010 20:25 i was under the assumption that there was a poll about using the pointmod in clanwars and that the vast majority said No, don't use it a poll started by a player, without any admin endorsement. decisions at clanwars have never been determined by polls, and anonymous ones are obviously open to rigging... which the anti-pointsfix crowd had already been caught doing. but even if every single player in the league besides me was adamantly anti-pointsfix, i'd still be right and you'd still be wrong here Quote: you act as if this alliance of cheaters, liars, and rapists is that majority clanwars at the time must have consisted of 15 or less players hooray, it's dawning on you how small the community was Quote: the only way in their eyes to have clanwars is the spoony way then there's something seriously wrong with said eyes, since i certainly told them enough times that there was absolutely nothing stopping any of them hosting their own league. Quote: but when the spoony way went against what they wanted they tried to get it changed yes, like they did when blkst0rm and i banned soul for pointpushing with photoshopped screenshots. they were so angry at that that they - again - tried to sabotage the league (by trying to get people banned on purpose). this is the kind of people we're talking about here, the "playerbase" (cheaters) you want me to "listen to" (obey) Quote: they might not show you respect but they respect what you've done enough to want to use it themselves seriously, stop trying to euphemise... you aren't any good at it Quote: it seems to me like you're blowing things they did out of proportion we have different views on things, which is why i wanted you to summarize it for me so i could figure out what you mean you won't so i can't be sure either way you seemed very sure at the time. i kept pointing out that the entirety of the people you wanted me to "listen to" were cheaters, pointpushers etc who had a long habit …
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-10-30T03:07:01-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: In the end, Spoony is always willing to say or do something that he know will cause controversy, so that he can have his fun in arguing. It always turns out the same anyway....the opposition realizes that Spoony isn't going to stop until he gets the final 10+ quote respond in, so they just stop posting in the thread altogether and let Spoony walking away thinking he won some big debate. Those who realize this the earliest and stop posting after his posts are the real smart ones tbh. There's only like 3 people who are ever going to actually read all of this anyway, 2 of them are the arguers, and one is a moderator....seriously, I think it's be best if you just walked away Liquid....god knows Spoony isn't going to.
creator: HaTe
date: 2010-10-30T03:56:54-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: i can see you're still bitter about losing that pointsfix debate on this forum. you were certainly angry at the time, but i thought you might have let it go by now. the fact someone outwitted you doesn't mean they actually did anything wrong. you only denigrate yourself by this pathetic wriggling out of admitting you were wrong about something. it's exactly the same as calling someone a cheater because they beat you.
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-10-30T04:11:21-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: Quote: a poll started by a player, without any admin endorsement. decisions at clanwars have never been determined by polls, and anonymous ones are obviously open to rigging... which the anti-pointsfix crowd had already been caught doing. even if the rape mob comprised of evil scapegoats simpee and clearsh0t had rigged that poll and voted 20 times each it wouldn't help the fact that people weren't voting for using the pointmod Quote: but even if every single player in the league besides me was adamantly anti-pointsfix, i'd still be right and you'd still be wrong here i don't understand why someone would want something that upsets everyone else that seems douchey to me; that's all i'm saying Quote: hooray, it's dawning on you how small the community was yeah, it wasn't that small it's smaller than people think it was but still Quote: then there's something seriously wrong with said eyes, since i certainly told them enough times that there was absolutely nothing stopping any of them hosting their own league. so what? because you say it makes it law? no one wanted to try and outdo you people have faith in what you do, but they didn't agree with changing the way renegade is scored after everyone had played with it that way for years Quote: yes, like they did when blkst0rm and i banned soul for pointpushing with photoshopped screenshots. they were so angry at that that they - again - tried to sabotage the league (by trying to get people banned on purpose). this is the kind of people we're talking about here, the "playerbase" (cheaters) you want me to "listen to" (obey) who is they? you make it sound like the majority of clanwars.cc went against you and blkst0rm and you're calling them cheaters you're portraying cw.cc as a bunch of sabotaging cheaters Quote: seriously, stop trying to euphemise... you aren't any good at it ur mam Quote: you seemed very sure at the time. i kept pointing out that the entirety of the people you wanted me to "listen to" were cheaters, pointpus…
creator: liquidv2
date: 2010-10-30T05:00:29-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: A moderator will split this topic soon, I hope. Goztow and I can't, we don't have mod rights in this forum, for good reasons.
creator: CarrierII
date: 2010-10-30T09:05:11-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: liquidv2 wrote on Sat, 30 October 2010 00:00 Quote: a poll started by a player, without any admin endorsement. decisions at clanwars have never been determined by polls, and anonymous ones are obviously open to rigging... which the anti-pointsfix crowd had already been caught doing. even if the rape mob comprised of evil scapegoats simpee and clearsh0t had rigged that poll and voted 20 times each it wouldn't help the fact that people weren't voting for using the pointmod it's interesting you're immovably focused on this part of the statement as opposed to either of the two more important parts, 1: the anti-pointsfix crowd had already been caught rigging these polls, 2: nobody important at clanwars ever said that poll was worth a damn thing, whereas it was made clear that the debate thread was central in determining policy. Quote: Quote: but even if every single player in the league besides me was adamantly anti-pointsfix, i'd still be right and you'd still be wrong here i don't understand why someone would want something that upsets everyone else that seems douchey to me; that's all i'm saying this is because you're a fucking idiot who can't or won't understand a really simple but really crucial point. the longer your list is of people who want a pointsbugged ladder, the sadder it is that not a single one of them could give enough of a shit to provide one themselves. you keep calling me a douche for running the league the way i think it should go... how stupid are you? why have you never called EVERYBODY ELSE ON RENEGADE a douche for not giving enough of a shit to provide a league at all? you really are thick if this has never occurred to you, even if i hadn't carefully tried to spell it out to your dumb ass over and over and over and over again. Quote: Quote: then there's something seriously wrong with said eyes, since i certainly told them enough times that there was absolutely nothing stopping any of them hosting their own league. so what? because you say it make…
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-10-30T12:07:16-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: I really don't see how it is off topic... so I don't know why I'd need to split it.
creator: Goztow
date: 2010-10-30T15:33:22-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: Goztow wrote on Sat, 30 October 2010 10:33 I really don't see how it is off topic... so I don't know why I'd need to split it. Not necessarily off topic, but it's basically a big gap of useless in the thread, because nobody is going to read that wall of text.
creator: Ethenal
date: 2010-10-30T17:35:04-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: The topic started becoming about the revisitng of the points fix debate and the arguements that have already been had about it. The thread was supposed to be about the ladder.
creator: reborn
date: 2010-10-30T17:44:13-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: reborn wrote on Sat, 30 October 2010 19:44 The topic started becoming about the revisitng of the points fix debate and the arguements that have already been had about it. The thread was supposed to be about the ladder. This, now with the addition of CW.cc drama. Oh, and I agree with what HaTe said.
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2010-10-30T18:06:23-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: it's a disagreement between myself and spoony, i'm trying to better understand him the ladder got lost somewhere on the first page, and i'd like to get back to it why are goztow and carrier not mods in this section? "with good reason" you say? i disagree this topic is less than a page long, the rest is shenanigans
creator: liquidv2
date: 2010-10-30T18:19:08-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: is there a point in posting this "shenanigans" Liquid? I'd really like to know.
creator: HaTe
date: 2010-10-30T18:50:54-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: hes fighting for justice and all things fair
creator: ELiT3FLyR
date: 2010-10-30T19:20:26-00:00

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description: i'm trying to understand the creature known as Spoony it's difficult for me because he's severely british Toggle Spoiler Quote: it's interesting you're immovably focused on this part of the statement as opposed to either of the two more important parts, 1: the anti-pointsfix crowd had already been caught rigging these polls, 2: nobody important at clanwars ever said that poll was worth a damn thing, whereas it was made clear that the debate thread was central in determining policy. what i still can't understand is why you would do something that everyone disagreed with for example the soul case, had he just been allowed to play then clanwars.cc wouldn't have been breathing down your neck about the Renegade league Quote: this is because you're a fucking idiot who can't or won't understand a really simple but really crucial point. you don't care whether or not your playerbase is happy you care about what you'd rather have based on what you think is right, even if that means hosting an empty league what do you think i don't understand? Quote: the longer your list is of people who want a pointsbugged ladder, the sadder it is that not a single one of them could give enough of a shit to provide one themselves. you keep calling me a douche for running the league the way i think it should go... how stupid are you? why have you never called EVERYBODY ELSE ON RENEGADE a douche for not giving enough of a shit to provide a league at all? you really are thick if this has never occurred to you, even if i hadn't carefully tried to spell it out to your dumb ass over and over and over and over again. you're rude! they're douchebags because they would rather you run the original points than the pointmod in your league? Quote: i'd rather call it a fact than a law. why is everything you say fact? Quote: again, this is a really sad attempt to shift the fault. the reason nobody other than me hosted a league is because nobody could give a shit about the clan community. even when they admi…
creator: liquidv2
date: 2010-10-30T20:56:10-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: Someone report all messages that need to be split off. I'm not going to read through it all. And yes: I am a mod here, and will see to it that carrierII also gets these rights .
creator: Goztow
date: 2010-10-31T07:04:04-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: Clanwars .cc Presents Command & Conquer Renegade Essay Wars. Essay wars brings a new gameplay experience like never before. The point system for each essay has been greatly enhanced.
creator: Gen_Blacky
date: 2010-10-31T09:59:49-00:00

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description: Gen_Blacky wrote on Sun, 31 October 2010 10:59 Clanwars .cc Presents Command & Conquer Renegade Essay Wars. Essay wars brings a new gameplay experience like never before. The point system for each essay has been greatly enhanced. Talking about essays, perhaps it is fun to invite everyone to write an essay on how they think the ladder should be. Afterwards the results a published and people can vote on them.
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2010-10-31T10:37:00-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: EWD, have you summoned up enough decency and honesty to apologise to me yet, or are you still cuddling up to your friend 0x90 despite the fact he's still making and releasing stuff that harms renegade, exactly as I tried to convince your dumb ass that he would? liquid: Toggle Spoiler Quote: it's interesting you're immovably focused on this part of the statement as opposed to either of the two more important parts, 1: the anti-pointsfix crowd had already been caught rigging these polls, 2: nobody important at clanwars ever said that poll was worth a damn thing, whereas it was made clear that the debate thread was central in determining policy. what i still can't understand is why you would do something that everyone disagreed with[/quote] i don't know why not. if you can understand why you - for example - didn't host a pointbugged ladder for everybody who wanted one, it isn't such a big step to realising that someone else might not want to either, especially when that someone has always been the most vocal opponent of the point bug. of course, on that basis you might think that i deserve some credit for hosting a pointbugged ladder for such a long time despite my contempt for the bug, but no. no thanks are due there, only being called a "douche" when the problem is finally fixable. Quote: for example the soul case, had he just been allowed to play then clanwars.cc wouldn't have been breathing down your neck about the Renegade league you've lost me there. Quote: Quote: this is because you're a fucking idiot who can't or won't understand a really simple but really crucial point. you don't care whether or not your playerbase is happy you care about what you'd rather have based on what you think is right, even if that means hosting an empty league what do you think i don't understand? the fact that you have no credibility at all in criticising the way clanwars was run, because nobody else could be bothered running a clan ladder at all. Quote: Quote: the longer your list …
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-10-31T16:23:36-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: @liquid, its pretty clear you have no idea what your talking about, have never been any good at this game, nor know how to even run a server....I'd say save your breath. @spoony, yes thats exactly my point...if this ladder is instated democratically, then retards like liquid will just come up/argue for retarded ideas as to how it should work. I know ignorance might be bliss, but im saying those who know what they are talking about should be the ones designing this whole thing for the betterment of all (regardless if they see it as that way or not).
creator: trooprm02
date: 2010-10-31T16:26:36-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: troop shouldn't bother you, he doesn't bother me he's just mistaken, that's all Spoony Toggle Spoiler Quote: i don't know why not. if you can understand why you - for example - didn't host a pointbugged ladder for everybody who wanted one, it isn't such a big step to realising that someone else might not want to either, especially when that someone has always been the most vocal opponent of the point bug. you assume i didn't want to because i can't be bothered or wouldn't lower myself to paying or running anything for renegade not saying i did, but what if i really liked the idea, but didn't do it because i felt it would be pointless trying to make a ladder for renegade that spoony did not endorse? i think it's possible other people felt the same way Quote: of course, on that basis you might think that i deserve some credit for hosting a pointbugged ladder for such a long time despite my contempt for the bug, but no. no thanks are due there, only being called a "douche" when the problem is finally fixable. now you finally understand! i guess my thinking is skewed i figure that since you're the only person that can really run a renegade ladder (whether you'll openly admit this or not) you would do Quote: you've lost me there. how would allowing soul to play have nearly jeopardized the ren league at cw.cc? the uproar was caused by him being banned you acted correctly but that nearly resulted in clanwars.cc cutting Renegade off of their site Quote: the fact that you have no credibility at all in criticising the way clanwars was run, because nobody else could be bothered running a clan ladder at all. i'm not so sure it's that they couldn't be bothered i think people realize that you do a better job than they actually could (minus a select few people like trooprm02 - i've read clanwars.cc a handful of times and each time he was trying to tell you why you suck at what you're doing and how he could do better) and figured there was no point in trying like i've said Spoony i…
creator: liquidv2
date: 2010-11-01T00:23:43-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Please feel free to continue the debate here.
creator: Goztow
date: 2010-11-01T07:49:04-00:00

Re: BHS Ladder
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description: liquidv2 wrote on Sun, 31 October 2010 18:23 you assume i didn't want to because i can't be bothered or wouldn't lower myself to paying or running anything for renegade not saying i did, but what if i really liked the idea, but didn't do it because i felt it would be pointless trying to make a ladder for renegade that spoony did not endorse? i think it's possible other people felt the same way i think you're focusing too much on the excuses and not enough on the complete absence of effort or results. Quote: now you finally understand! i guess my thinking is skewed i figure that since you're the only person that can really run a renegade ladder (whether you'll openly admit this or not) you would do why? i don't have magic powers, i don't have access to some source of wisdom that's denied everyone else. if your statement boils down to "you're the only one with the sufficient dedication" then it doesn't belong in an argument against me, does it? [quote title=Quote:] Quote: Quote: you've lost me there. how would allowing soul to play have nearly jeopardized the ren league at cw.cc? the uproar was caused by him being banned you acted correctly but that nearly resulted in clanwars.cc cutting Renegade off of their site uh no, letting him play was what probably would've caused that. like i said, the global admins thought that me and blkst0rm were the only decent people in a community that was - aside from we two - a complete cesspool and not at all worth CLAN WARS's resources to host. the exception were the two admins who ran things as fairly as we did no matter how retarded the general community was being at the time. Quote: i'm not so sure it's that they couldn't be bothered i think people realize that you do a better job than they actually could (minus a select few people like trooprm02 - i've read clanwars.cc a handful of times and each time he was trying to tell you why you suck at what you're doing and how he could do better) and figured there was no point in trying l…
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-11-01T12:51:48-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: this thread is less entertaining than promised.
creator: Herr Surth
date: 2010-11-01T13:37:37-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: G'day lads. Yes I was initially against the pointsfix. I tried it out, and something seemed off about tank battles. I realized that we weren't receiving enough points for tank battles because of the 'eject from tank last second to avoid opponent getting points' exploit. It wasn't a problem before when everyone was receiving too many points for hitting green tanks anyway, but now that the pointsfix corrected that, we weren't receiving enough. I told Spoony about this and he got somebody to develop a fix for that as well. Since then, Kill & I played a lot of clanwars with the pointsfix and 'tankfix' or whatever you call it, and we both ended up liking it afterall. It changed the gameplay to favor aggression, but at the same time you couldn't be as sloppy since it was a little harder to receive credits. The points you were awarded actually made sense. As for Spoony & I, Yea we've gotten along fine and agree with most things for a long time, but that wasn't always the case. One time I didn't agree with Spoony banning Soul (I think this was the 2nd or 3rd time of Soul getting banned) so I ended up buying the league entirely and unbanning him. Spoony wasn't too happy about that lol. But in time, we put aside our grievences and I ended up being admin @ clanwars for a long time. I think I've filed about 1000 AR's lol. I see Spoony as someone who actually cared about Renegade and has always put in the effort to run the clanwars league as best as he could, and I respect him for that. Do we agree on everything? No. I didn't agree with the way the Clear/Simpee situation was dealt with, for example.
creator: GoTWhisKéY
date: 2010-11-01T15:27:26-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: My posts don't belong here, I don't care about liquids menopause, I was talking about the ladder (for which I initially started the topic about), and not their little hissy fit.
creator: trooprm02
date: 2010-11-01T20:57:32-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: "Liquid trying to understand British logic" LOL. Best thread title ever. Also, I now realize my mistake for bringing up pointsfix.
creator: GEORGE ZIMMER
date: 2010-11-01T21:53:31-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: GoTWhisKéY wrote on Mon, 01 November 2010 10:27 G'day lads. Yes I was initially against the pointsfix. I tried it out, and something seemed off about tank battles. I realized that we weren't receiving enough points for tank battles because of the 'eject from tank last second to avoid opponent getting points' exploit. It wasn't a problem before when everyone was receiving too many points for hitting green tanks anyway, but now that the pointsfix corrected that, we weren't receiving enough. I told Spoony about this and he got somebody to develop a fix for that as well. Since then, Kill & I played a lot of clanwars with the pointsfix and 'tankfix' or whatever you call it, and we both ended up liking it afterall. It changed the gameplay to favor aggression, but at the same time you couldn't be as sloppy since it was a little harder to receive credits. The points you were awarded actually made sense. As for Spoony & I, Yea we've gotten along fine and agree with most things for a long time, but that wasn't always the case. One time I didn't agree with Spoony banning Soul (I think this was the 2nd or 3rd time of Soul getting banned) so I ended up buying the league entirely and unbanning him. Spoony wasn't too happy about that lol. But in time, we put aside our grievences and I ended up being admin @ clanwars for a long time. I think I've filed about 1000 AR's lol. I see Spoony as someone who actually cared about Renegade and has always put in the effort to run the clanwars league as best as he could, and I respect him for that. Do we agree on everything? No. I didn't agree with the way the Clear/Simpee situation was dealt with, for example. did the amount you get for vehicle alignment make that much of a difference? it seems like absolute crap after playing with the original points for so long i'd have absolutely no beef with the pointmod if players had an easier time adapting to it but realistically they're not patient enough to earn what they need that's why lots of play…
creator: liquidv2
date: 2010-11-01T21:56:41-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Quote: i think you're focusing too much on the excuses and not enough on the complete absence of effort or results. i'm explaining why i feel there may have been an absence just saying "no one gave a shit" could be entirely true, but i like to think that it's not the case and my suggestions make sense Quote: why? i don't have magic powers, i don't have access to some source of wisdom that's denied everyone else. if your statement boils down to "you're the only one with the sufficient dedication" then it doesn't belong in an argument against me, does it? not really an argument that makes logical sense, no Quote: uh no, letting him play was what probably would've caused that. like i said, the global admins thought that me and blkst0rm were the only decent people in a community that was - aside from we two - a complete cesspool and not at all worth CLAN WARS's resources to host. the exception were the two admins who ran things as fairly as we did no matter how retarded the general community was being at the time. alright, so it could have it was possible, but not certain i wouldn't call it a cesspool but it seems odd that no one else felt he should be banned or didn't speak up about it Quote: well, if the entire anti-pointsfix crowd (everyone except me and whiskey, supposedly) clubbed together and still couldn't with their combined might do better than spoony, you might think this would make people think that spoony's doing something right and perhaps, just perhaps, his decisions are worth some respect. in time Quote: instead we seem to've had a situation where the community needed spoony to survive just as long as spoony didn't make any decisions. perhaps i can just wave a flag from the touchline or something. Quote: no, that analogy does not work at all. a politician is your employee. your vote decides who gets the job, your taxes pay their salary, they're (supposed to be, at least) there to serve you. people always compare the clanwars league to a government, and th…
creator: liquidv2
date: 2010-11-01T22:52:39-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Quote: did the amount you get for vehicle alignment make that much of a difference? it seems like absolute crap after playing with the original points for so long in many cases the amount lost by the jump-out-of-your-tank-at-the-last-second exploit was actually more than the amount subtracted by the pointsfix. Quote: i'd have absolutely no beef with the pointmod if players had an easier time adapting to it but realistically they're not patient enough to earn what they need that's why lots of players play in st0rm servers with 1000 starting credits and extra + faster harv income...and their overall gameplay is fairly bad in comparison Dont Get It the extra credits is a more sensible way of solving the problem some players have. if you want to be able to afford whatever you want no matter how badly you're being thrashed, you should just say so. up the credits instead of using this fucking dumb mod where you have to shoot a light tank with an auto rifle when you could be doing something important instead. Quote: and one problem for that vehicle alignment fix is it causes lag in games anywhere near a large size (in clanwars it's fine but in servers even 10vs10 or higher it becomes a huge lag issue) ? that surprises me Quote: Quote: why? i don't have magic powers, i don't have access to some source of wisdom that's denied everyone else. if your statement boils down to "you're the only one with the sufficient dedication" then it doesn't belong in an argument against me, does it? not really an argument that makes logical sense, no oh, it makes sense, it just ought to be pointed towards everyone except me instead of me Quote: Quote: uh no, letting him play was what probably would've caused that. like i said, the global admins thought that me and blkst0rm were the only decent people in a community that was - aside from we two - a complete cesspool and not at all worth CLAN WARS's resources to host. the exception were the two admins who ran things as fairly as we did no matte…
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-11-01T23:36:24-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Spoony is a freakin annoying ass troll, Liquid can't let it go, and troop is somehow still managing to get dumber by the fucking second. Meanwhile the mods of this section aren't even willing to read all of the stupid ass spam quotes. Lovely topic!
creator: HaTe
date: 2010-11-02T00:40:57-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Quote: oh, it makes sense, it just ought to be pointed towards everyone except me instead of me that's a different argument Quote: other than the higher-up admins at clanwars, i can only think of two people besides myself and blkst0rm who agreed with the ban, both of whom said so on MSN rather than the forum. see, it still had hope Quote: held by who? the bowling alley owner who specifically chose to let the community have a vote? or just some guy from the community who got the weird idea that he's entitled to one? a random supporter of smoking, of course that was a joke by the way Quote: if it's the latter then this is what makes it such a joke that people call it "democracy". they're actually trying to take someone's privately owned property and turn its control over to "the people". call it what it is, it's communism. just put a slick hammer and sickle emblem on the top banner and you're good to go Quote: you seem to be wrong about these things you "pick up on" quite a lot, though and it's good that you can clear it up when i am, i appreciate it Quote: yes, that is the most important part of the equation... by far. i suppose, since all else is reduced to speculation Quote: you ever heard of Occam's Razor? sounds like a quest item in Zelda: Ocarnia of Time i don't disagree, i'm sure simpee meant it when he said he didn't want to host a clan league it's not something that people generally do, and actually uncommon Quote: if you mean did they decide policy by poll threads, no they didn't i guess it's understandable Quote: i can see we're never going to agree on why that was, are we? who knows, but it most likely does not matter why no one else has tried in recent years to make a non-Spoony clanwars league i'm under the assumption that many people think you're pretty good at it and doubt they could do better so they don't bother trying Quote: it's better than just making your admin decision and then locking the thread and ignoring what anyone says about it, and that'…
creator: liquidv2
date: 2010-11-02T00:44:44-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Quote: Quote: other than the higher-up admins at clanwars, i can only think of two people besides myself and blkst0rm who agreed with the ban, both of whom said so on MSN rather than the forum. see, it still had hope yes, despite the "majority". Quote: Quote: yes, that is the most important part of the equation... by far. i suppose, since all else is reduced to speculation except in the quite large number of cases where we know why people won't host a clan league. you'd be surprised how much contempt most clanwars players have for anyone willing to put any time or money into hosting a server or whatever. and yet even if everyone had perfectly noble reasons for not hosting a clan ladder, the fact that they weren't hosting them would still be the important part of the equation instead of the why of it. Quote: Quote: i assume you mean what if the clean track record players wanted the bug and the cheaters wanted the pointsfix? yah, i got too used to saying one thing what then? then it's possible that might make me reconsider. Quote: Quote: well, if they think it's worth their effort, it reinforces my point that one of them ought to have put some in. how could a regular player put in effort? in what way do you mean, by assuming Whiskey's role as renadmin? yes, applying for the renadmin job and doing a diligent job of it would certainly be one way of putting effort it. and yet despite how many times i tried recruiting one, not many people applied and even fewer turned out to be any good. Quote: Quote: i can see you're not going to easily digest the idea that open debate on a particular question is a good thing for its own sake. i just assume you have some evil intention because you're British and you seem to enjoy debates in general some people have fun in winning things, even if their opponents are terrible are you one of those people? i do think free, open debate is a good thing. i also like being proven right, though there is value in being proven wrong (cos you come o…
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-11-02T02:46:11-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: HaTe wrote on Mon, 01 November 2010 18:40 Spoony is a freakin annoying ass troll, Liquid can't let it go, and troop is somehow still managing to get dumber by the fucking second. Meanwhile the mods of this section aren't even willing to read all of the stupid ass spam quotes. Lovely topic! Didn't you challenge me to 1v1 ctf/build match while being serious lol? gg.
creator: trooprm02
date: 2010-11-02T04:15:03-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Quote: except in the quite large number of cases where we know why people won't host a clan league. you'd be surprised how much contempt most clanwars players have for anyone willing to put any time or money into hosting a server or whatever. maybe has something to do with them not fully understanding or grasping the fact that you own the thing and that it's not there without you like how some people are under the assumption that Renegade has its own servers, like EA hosts them or something like that Quote: yes, applying for the renadmin job and doing a diligent job of it would certainly be one way of putting effort it. and yet despite how many times i tried recruiting one, not many people applied and even fewer turned out to be any good. maybe that's not the best environment for recruiting an admin in the first place and that being said you can hardly blame them, they're there purely for the competition i'm sure Quote: i do think free, open debate is a good thing. i also like being proven right, though there is value in being proven wrong (cos you come out of it knowing more than you did before). that's why i appreciate you going back and forth with me over issues such as this
creator: liquidv2
date: 2010-11-02T04:29:55-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Mon, 01 November 2010 22:15 HaTe wrote on Mon, 01 November 2010 18:40 Spoony is a freakin annoying ass troll, Liquid can't let it go, and troop is somehow still managing to get dumber by the fucking second. Meanwhile the mods of this section aren't even willing to read all of the stupid ass spam quotes. Lovely topic! Didn't you challenge me to 1v1 ctf/build match while being serious lol? gg. I challenged you to 1v1 coop. Stop proving my point. You dodged either way....which is a bit pathetic to be completely honest with you.
creator: HaTe
date: 2010-11-03T01:21:57-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: How now brown cow.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-11-03T03:51:28-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: HaTe wrote on Tue, 02 November 2010 19:21 trooprm02 wrote on Mon, 01 November 2010 22:15 HaTe wrote on Mon, 01 November 2010 18:40 Spoony is a freakin annoying ass troll, Liquid can't let it go, and troop is somehow still managing to get dumber by the fucking second. Meanwhile the mods of this section aren't even willing to read all of the stupid ass spam quotes. Lovely topic! Didn't you challenge me to 1v1 ctf/build match while being serious lol? gg. I challenged you to 1v1 coop. Stop proving my point. You dodged either way....which is a bit pathetic to be completely honest with you. Your awful at this game, have dodged me countless times, not even sure why you still post here: http://img35.imageshack.us/f/hatedodge.png/ ^LOL
creator: trooprm02
date: 2010-11-03T05:01:37-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Tue, 02 November 2010 23:01 HaTe wrote on Tue, 02 November 2010 19:21 trooprm02 wrote on Mon, 01 November 2010 22:15 HaTe wrote on Mon, 01 November 2010 18:40 Spoony is a freakin annoying ass troll, Liquid can't let it go, and troop is somehow still managing to get dumber by the fucking second. Meanwhile the mods of this section aren't even willing to read all of the stupid ass spam quotes. Lovely topic! Didn't you challenge me to 1v1 ctf/build match while being serious lol? gg. I challenged you to 1v1 coop. Stop proving my point. You dodged either way....which is a bit pathetic to be completely honest with you. Your awful at this game, have dodged me countless times, not even sure why you still post here: http://img35.imageshack.us/f/hatedodge.png/ ^LOL LOL 1v1 coop HAHAHAAHAHA hate is an idiot
creator: Rocko
date: 2010-11-03T05:29:03-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: lol let's 1v1 campaign, he who beats it first wins!
creator: SSADMVR
date: 2010-11-03T07:38:08-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: SSADMVR wrote on Wed, 03 November 2010 08:38 lol let's 1v1 campaign, he who beats it first wins! On what difficulty setting???
creator: Goztow
date: 2010-11-03T07:44:46-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: If you get a 1v1 challenge from someone even remotely half-decent, then why dodge? Get on and play and even if you lose you learn something or gain more experience. Then you see what they did to win. That's how I look at it anyhow...
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2010-11-03T13:48:46-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Troop, the world would like to inform you that "1 vs 1 in C&C Renegade" is not the ultimate measure of a person.
creator: CarrierII
date: 2010-11-03T14:00:48-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Troop really doesn't understand the sarcasm in it.....I'm a bit embarrassed that I assumed he was smarter than he actually is. My mistake. I like how he says I've dodged him countless times when I've literally seen him twice in Renegade ever.....and he blew ass both times, even accusing me of cheating one of them. I love Renegade.
creator: HaTe
date: 2010-11-03T17:46:00-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: What's Renegade?
creator: sadukar09
date: 2010-11-03T19:01:42-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Why does troop think and act like he's a clanwars player? I don't think I've ever competed against him... and if you haven't competed against H2O, then you weren't a clanwar player. (unless you were from the 2002-2003 days)
creator: GoTWhisKéY
date: 2010-11-03T20:14:38-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: HaTe wrote on Wed, 03 November 2010 11:46 Troop really doesn't understand the sarcasm in it.....I'm a bit embarrassed that I assumed he was smarter than he actually is. My mistake. I like how he says I've dodged him countless times when I've literally seen him twice in Renegade ever.....and he blew ass both times, even accusing me of cheating one of them. I love Renegade. lol hate is SO dumb, hey hate, dodge troop some more pussy
creator: Rocko
date: 2010-11-04T05:06:01-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Rocko wrote on Wed, 03 November 2010 23:06 HaTe wrote on Wed, 03 November 2010 11:46 Troop really doesn't understand the sarcasm in it.....I'm a bit embarrassed that I assumed he was smarter than he actually is. My mistake. I like how he says I've dodged him countless times when I've literally seen him twice in Renegade ever.....and he blew ass both times, even accusing me of cheating one of them. I love Renegade. lol hate is SO dumb, hey hate, dodge troop some more pussy Liek even I played troop. :V
creator: sadukar09
date: 2010-11-04T15:07:51-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: GoTWhisKéY wrote on Wed, 03 November 2010 15:14 I don't think I've ever competed against him... Dodge confession!
creator: reborn
date: 2010-11-04T15:18:41-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: CarrierII wrote on Wed, 03 November 2010 14:00 Troop, the world would like to inform you that "1 vs 1 in C&C Renegade" is not the ultimate measure of a person. I disagree. @starbuzz, exactly but most people (like HaTe) just care too much and don't want to get embarrassed by getting screenshots of them losing/saying dumb things posted on youtube/these forums (..wait, too late LOL). Which I actually don't do most of the time, only when the person im playing is being a retard @whiskgay, ive played you countless times on and off, most recently in a full 9 games series in like 2007/2008 (I was botting for rem1x, we beat you and kill on glacier flying lol you guys won the other 8 maps), I don't use this nick on cw.cc
creator: trooprm02
date: 2010-11-04T18:48:17-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: You've offered me once to ever 1v1 you tr00p....and it was when i was just getting on Renegade, and in a snipe server...where you offered to 1v1 aow me. I didn't even decline, but instead made you look dumb instead....of which you're still failing to see. You still suck at Renegade, and still talk the most shit out of any Renegade player ever. That's pathetic.
creator: HaTe
date: 2010-11-04T21:00:22-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Dodge more, you are possible the WORST renegade player here....even people you seem to think you are better than have played me (ex: Sadukar), ps: http://img168.imageshack.us/f/hatemvp.png/ ^LOL, even the one thing you claim you are good at, you aren't. I joined late, and stole your MVP, keep on talking tho, ill just keep on posting screenshots!
creator: trooprm02
date: 2010-11-04T22:48:20-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: who cares about 1v1's... learn to play some real games
creator: Hitman
date: 2010-11-04T23:15:30-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: anyone else waiting for troop to come out and admit he's been an undercover comedian this whole time? god im seriously hoping we end up in a tosh.0 skit or something .. No one could possibly be that fucking retarded with their head so far up their ass that they've quite possibly been the worst renegade player the game has ever seen whilst playing 100x more than ANY 5 people in the community combined and despite getting bent over 95% of the games he played .. he just keeps going i mean he even has the fucking audacity to talk about himself as a clanwar player ... what was his record .. 1-97? jesus fucking christ .. it really is depressing .. stop pretending you represent any part of the cw.cc community troop ..
creator: InternetThug
date: 2010-11-05T06:10:43-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Yeah Troop, botting for Remix a few games in 2008 doesn't mean you get to be a representative of cw.cc. I'm not trying to be an ass here, but some of the things you say make us look bad.
creator: GoTWhisKéY
date: 2010-11-05T13:51:23-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
type: item
description: you are not a true clanwar players if you havent been banned atleast once for doing something retarded back in the day
creator: ELiT3FLyR
date: 2010-11-05T16:02:39-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: also whiskey spoony does a perfectly good job of discrediting his own league by shitting over 80% of the clanwar players in his essays, even if they are unrelated to the topic. i dont think anything troop says or does could make clanwars look any worse
creator: ELiT3FLyR
date: 2010-11-05T16:05:54-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Your double posting is certainly helping! Don't do it again.
creator: CarrierII
date: 2010-11-05T16:07:09-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Simpee does have a bit of a point... I've noticed at least a few times Spoony rippin' on the league as a whole, like calling the majority of us retards, etc. I don't remember it being as bad as Spoony seems to be making it out to be. Easy to do now that the league is dead and their is nobody around to defend it anymore (besides me ).I remember the league getting over 1000 games a month consistently, playing hundreds of games myself a month, and having a great time. It wasn't just the actual game. It was the whole experience of interacting on the smak forums and on teamspeak, meeting and playing with different people, competing in those final days for the cup, etc. I had a lot of fun for the 4-5 years that I actively competed on cw.cc. Do I think the majority of people I competed against are retards? Definitely not. Another thing, When Spoony banned Clear + Simpee, thats when Kill & I (and I think everyone else) realized there was no point competing again, so everyone re-quit. Spoony claims the league died because he quit playing.... lol Spoony hasn't seriously competed in years. The last time I remember playing against Spoony regularly, was when the manual league first started way back, It was me, Halo, and Kill, and we'd play the maximum of 5 games everyday against Spoony's clan. Sure, there was probably times when he played on and off, rarely, but there were times. But to say the league died because he quit playing? lol I didn't even know you were competing in the league when it restarted again. I mean, looking at the battle logs, it shows MaidenTy1 hasn't been active for 1435 days (about 4 years) and Spoony hasn't been active in 1551 days (4.25 years). So to say the league is dead because you aren't playing, is a little far fetched don't ya think?
creator: GoTWhisKéY
date: 2010-11-05T17:00:23-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Quote: also whiskey spoony does a perfectly good job of discrediting his own league by shitting over 80% of the clanwar players in his essays, even if they are unrelated to the topic. i dont think anything troop says or does could make clanwars look any worse i'm not sure pointing out how a lot of the people who played in my league are retards actually discredits the league. GoTWhisKéY wrote on Fri, 05 November 2010 11:00 Simpee does have a bit of a point... I've noticed at least a few times Spoony rippin' on the league as a whole, like calling the majority of us retards, etc. I don't remember it being as bad as Spoony seems to be making it out to be. Easy to do now that the league is dead and their is nobody around to defend it anymore (besides me ). everything i've said to liquid recently, i've said before... when the league was alive. funny how nobody was disproving me then either. Quote: I remember the league getting over 1000 games a month consistently, playing hundreds of games myself a month, and having a great time. It wasn't just the actual game. It was the whole experience of interacting on the smak forums and on teamspeak, meeting and playing with different people, competing in those final days for the cup, etc. I had a lot of fun for the 4-5 years that I actively competed on cw.cc. Do I think the majority of people I competed against are retards? Definitely not. complete change of subject there. e.g. when i said "the community is almost entirely comprised of retards", i was specifically talking about a specific point in history (the Soul episode, and let's not mince words about that, the almost entire community was completely retarded) Quote: When Spoony banned Clear + Simpee, thats when Kill & I (and I think everyone else) realized there was no point competing again, so everyone re-quit. Spoony claims the league died because he quit playing.... lol Spoony hasn't seriously competed in years. The last time I remember playing against Spoony regularly, was …
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-11-05T18:04:50-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Thu, 04 November 2010 16:48 Dodge more, you are possible the WORST renegade player here....even people you seem to think you are better than have played me (ex: Sadukar), ps: http://img168.imageshack.us/f/hatemvp.png/ ^LOL, even the one thing you claim you are good at, you aren't. I joined late, and stole your MVP, keep on talking tho, ill just keep on posting screenshots! You've managed to fail miserably again. The ss you gave earlier in this topic shows me joining while you were in game, and shows all of the players in game that are in the game during that ss. It's the same game, and i joined part of the way through it, and still almost caught up to your kill amount. You're so incredibly stupid dude. http://img35.imageshack.us/f/hatedodge.png/ You CLEARLY joined after me, while i had been in game the whole time, didn't you!?! Idiot.
creator: HaTe
date: 2010-11-05T19:51:15-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Quote: everything i've said to liquid recently, i've said before... when the league was alive. funny how nobody was disproving me then either. When the league was alive, we were busy playing clanwars. If you were posting around on different forums about how retarded we all were back then, I wouldn't of noticed since I only posted on Smak (the best forum in renehistory, r.i.p.). How do I go about 'disproving' someone who says my community is full or retards? I mean, we had 1000+ games a month, 36000 games in total on the latest incarnation of the manual league. Were we playing in the special olympics the whole time and I didn't notice? How can a league be as successful as clanwars.cc if we were a majority of numb-skulls? Ripping on the cw.cc league isn't anything new though. I guess we've always been thought of as a bunch of cheating assholes. I always hated that. The only thing I could about it then, was to welcome new-comers with open arms, and support the league as much as I could by providing active competition, following the rules, and reporting my loses, and most importantly, completing a series of games without flaming my opponent ingame, or on forums. Quote: complete change of subject there. e.g. when i said "the community is almost entirely comprised of retards", i was specifically talking about a specific point in history (the Soul episode, and let's not mince words about that, the almost entire community was completely retarded) It wasn't a COMPLETE change of subject... you said it was a league full of retards, then I gave an example of how the league was a success, with my point being 'a league of retards couldn't of possibly been as successful as this'. You got to remember that the actual cw.cc league and the smak forums were seperate entities. A lot players competed, but wouldn't post on smak. It was a harsh environment at times so I can't say I blame them. Was there a lot of retards on the forums back then? I'd say yes there was definitely some, but de…
creator: GoTWhisKéY
date: 2010-11-05T20:05:51-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: GoTWhisKéY wrote on Fri, 05 November 2010 14:05 When the league was alive, we were busy playing clanwars. If you were posting around on different forums about how retarded we all were back then, I wouldn't of noticed since I only posted on Smak (the best forum in renehistory, r.i.p.). How do I go about 'disproving' someone who says my community is full or retards? you could try disproving the specific incidents i refer to rather than the shorthand i use to answer liquid's "but why was everyone acting so retarded?" question. again, i was talking about stuff like the soul episode... everything i said about it was true and i've said it all many times before. liquid had trouble believing that a community could act so bollock-brainedly stupid, but there you go. Quote: I mean, we had 1000+ games a month, 36000 games in total on the latest incarnation of the manual league. Were we playing in the special olympics the whole time and I didn't notice? How can a league be as successful as clanwars.cc if we were a majority of numb-skulls? or if we had the worst admin ever? Quote: Ripping on the cw.cc league isn't anything new though. I guess we've always been thought of as a bunch of cheating assholes. I always hated that. easy tiger, let's keep in mind that everything i've said has been true, and if anyone's earned the right to criticise the frequent stupidity, dishonesty etc that does inhabit the clanwars community, i'd like to think it's me Quote: The only thing I could about it then, was to welcome new-comers with open arms, and support the league as much as I could by providing active competition, following the rules, and reporting my loses, and most importantly, completing a series of games without flaming my opponent ingame, or on forums. hmm, and most can't tick all the above boxes, can they? some of them some of the time, sure... Quote: Quote: you didn't notice TC playing actively at the time clear and simpee were banned? Define actively. I remember vaguely you and Hitm…
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-11-05T20:20:20-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: some of the renegade people from clanwars.cc may not have been the best people, but overall it was successful and a lot of people really enjoyed it even now as you blast it whiskey has no problem standing up for it; you don't give it enough credit you two did a good job, and should focus less on the people like bosnianm02 and more on the people that give it a good name
creator: liquidv2
date: 2010-11-05T22:04:31-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: M0FiR3 wrote on Fri, 05 November 2010 00:10 anyone else waiting for troop to come out and admit he's been an undercover comedian this whole time? god im seriously hoping we end up in a tosh.0 skit or something .. No one could possibly be that fucking retarded with their head so far up their ass that they've quite possibly been the worst renegade player the game has ever seen whilst playing 100x more than ANY 5 people in the community combined and despite getting bent over 95% of the games he played .. he just keeps going i mean he even has the fucking audacity to talk about himself as a clanwar player ... what was his record .. 1-97? jesus fucking christ .. it really is depressing .. stop pretending you represent any part of the cw.cc community troop .. lol @ anthrax, you've played 2 cw's in your whole life, and lost them both. Still agree about me getting into ILL while you didn't make the cut? Anyway...who gives a fuck what people think about it? If they care so much, we don't want them there anyway....I atleast don't play for rep, if they are decent ill play them regardless of how their "image on the internet" is because that makes no difference... @whisk, I also played you countless times when I was in -OS- (not {OS}) and XSV, frozens clan and have played many more clanwars than even you (post 2007/8) I'd say, but yes I was never in a perminent clan before then, but cw.cc did not die then, nor was it "better" then, though it did have more players.
creator: trooprm02
date: 2010-11-06T03:35:23-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: i've probably won 75% of my 120ish clanwars and they're always against people "better" than me. i remember one time winning against muffin wiggles and henry with bigd442 and dax109 on canyon ... muffin got 400 off and i pistoled him on the airstrip n stole his flame tank lol fun times! but anyways troop if you ever want to 2v2 (1v1 proves nothing and i know you'll just get 2 shots on my WF and disconnect and say you won) lets do it bud .. ill just slap you 4 more times in a row and you can deny it wasnt you cause you were on a bot name
creator: InternetThug
date: 2010-11-06T06:08:50-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Did troop just say he's played more clanwars than me? snap. I have screenshots showing 1100+ games in auto league from 2004-2005, 1500+ games from 2005-2006 in first manual league, and 2500+ games from 2006 til now in the 2nd manual league. I've played roughly 5000 clanwars bud, starting in early 2004, playing steady until 4th quarter 2008 when the league died. Thats 5 years of hardcore ReneNerding. In that time, I've come to know every individual who mattered in that league. When you get to that level of play, you have to start learning each player's individual style and strategy. I knew Simpee was an amazing Sniper, that Clear was sneaky, that Karmai had an amazing chem warrior, that SoQAshy was the best Nod Soldier in town, etc. You? Never heard of ya.
creator: GoTWhisKéY
date: 2010-11-06T06:49:20-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: as an outsider i can say that the entire clanwars community has always looked like a bunch of stuck-up retards foolishly obsessed with a game that no one in the real world cares about. no one normal likes anybody from cw.cc also hate is a noob for dodging troop
creator: Rocko
date: 2010-11-06T07:33:59-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: funny, a black guy being prejudice against an entire group of people
creator: GoTWhisKéY
date: 2010-11-06T14:14:43-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: i think we should set up a renegame to solve this conflict
creator: Hitman
date: 2010-11-06T14:33:03-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: i concur everyone download the map carnage club and we'll settle this http://ren.game-maps.net/index.php?act=download&id=260
creator: liquidv2
date: 2010-11-06T18:46:03-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: GoTWhisKéY wrote on Sat, 06 November 2010 00:49 playing steady until 4th quarter 2008 when the league died Not that I care, but why did you bother posting a 2 paragraph response without even reading what I said? I said POST 2007/2008, I know I have and the league was not dead, just because you say it was. Im sure there was less players than previous years, but welcome to a 8 year old game? @anthrax, you still don't play clanwars.
creator: trooprm02
date: 2010-11-07T03:53:13-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: I did misread that, my bad. But there has only been 2 active months since 2008, Nov & Dec of 2009. I competed in November heavily (finished 2nd to CAG after the F2F), and December was when Simpee + Clear (the defending champions) got banned leading to the death of the league. Its probably just your lack of identity that I don't recognize you as a clanwars player. I can believe that you botted a lot for people post-2008.
creator: GoTWhisKéY
date: 2010-11-07T05:00:15-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: GoTWhisKéY wrote on Sat, 06 November 2010 23:00 I did misread that, my bad. But there has only been 2 active months since 2008, Nov & Dec of 2009. I competed in November heavily (finished 2nd to CAG after the F2F), and December was when Simpee + Clear (the defending champions) got banned leading to the death of the league. Its probably just your lack of identity that I don't recognize you as a clanwars player. I can believe that you botted a lot for people post-2008. hahaha too bad no1 cares about this
creator: Rocko
date: 2010-11-07T07:29:22-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: any1 wanna 1v1? 1v1s up in dis bitch?
creator: Ryu
date: 2010-11-07T22:03:03-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: GoTWhisKéY wrote on Sun, 07 November 2010 01:00 I can believe that you botted a lot for people post-2008. No, I botted for alot of people pre-2008, it was in @ 2007/2008 that I started playing for better known clans. But im glad you agree the league died in 2009 (except for a short run in 2010) and not in 2007 which is when you first said it did.
creator: trooprm02
date: 2010-11-08T01:48:12-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: I've never said the league died in 2007. I said it died 4th quarter 2008. A quick check of the HOC shows the decline.
creator: GoTWhisKéY
date: 2010-11-08T13:56:39-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: This is one hell of a topic. When it comes to Clanwars.cc, I love the community. Sure, from an outsider looking in - it looks pretty bad, but I know for a fact that I get on well with almost every single person there, 99% of the time... Whiskey, PM me and we can get another lobby war going.
creator: Hypnos
date: 2010-11-08T16:53:36-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Hypnos wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 11:53 This is one hell of a topic. When it comes to Clanwars.cc, I love the community. Sure, from an outsider looking in - it looks pretty bad, but I know for a fact that I get on well with almost every single person there, 99% of the time... Whiskey, PM me and we can get another lobby war going. It could look bad if you stumble over to cw.cc and start reading a flamewar post, then assume that is what our league is... That is not the case though. If you focused on the actual LEAGUE, you would see that we had* an active, competive league that successfully ran a big tournament monthly. You didn't have to be part of the smak forums to be a part of cw.cc community, and thats what a lot of people didn't realize. And really, the Smak forum wasn't even as bad as some make it out to be... I had over 9000's posts on the original smak. Had a lot of fun over the years there. Anyway, yeah Hypno's I'm getting on that shortly. In fact, I may do one this Saturday. I'll figure it out and make a post tonite if that is the case.
creator: GoTWhisKéY
date: 2010-11-08T17:39:46-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: i heard clanwars forums died i checked it did
creator: JohnDoe
date: 2010-11-08T19:22:58-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: fuck
creator: JohnDoe
date: 2010-11-08T19:23:56-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: ELiT3FLyR wrote on Fri, 05 November 2010 10:02 you are not a true clanwar players if you havent been banned atleast once for doing something retarded back in the day this is a good post
creator: JohnDoe
date: 2010-11-08T19:26:39-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 13:22 i heard clanwars forums died i checked it did this is a bad post
creator: JohnDoe
date: 2010-11-08T19:27:41-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: what have i done
creator: JohnDoe
date: 2010-11-08T19:28:34-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: damn nazi
creator: sadukar09
date: 2010-11-08T20:00:32-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Too much
creator: Tiesto
date: 2010-11-08T20:06:41-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: Aw I just noticed in the liquid/troop thread, Troop saying something along the lines of "I'm not gonna pull an H2O and dodge" wow lol... That was one of the main hallmarks of H2O was that we NEVER dodged. Actually, our last year active, it was very hard for us to get games at all because WE were the ones being dodged non-stop. Kill couldn't get on MSN near the end or it guaranteed us no games. There was a time in the auto-league, April 2004 when we won our first cup, that we were accused of 'dodging to win the cup'. Since we didn't play +FE+ (Who were total douches to us at the time, flaming us non-stop ingame and on the forums), we chose a friendly clan, VERB, and played them instead. At the time I was relatively new to the spirit of clanwars, and I do see how, to be fair, we should of played FE so that skill decides who gets the cup, not sheer points or amount of games. Once the Manual League was set up, I invented the First 2 Five tournament so that dodging couldn't decide a cup, like it had in the past. So to say that H2O 'dodges' is just ridiculous. If you actually ever competed at clanwars regularly, you'd know H2O was constantly LOOKING for games, not dodging them lol. So sure, April 2004, My clan chose to play friends instead of assholes on the final day of the tournament, which inevitably led to us winning our first cup, and setting off an explosion @ the smak forums. If I had to do it all over again, would I? Damn right, because it was fucking awesome.
creator: GoTWhisKéY
date: 2010-11-08T22:29:44-00:00

Re: Liquid trying to understand British logic - cleared
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description: i heard h2itman was best
creator: Hitman
date: 2010-11-09T00:57:54-00:00