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Some IRL Drama just went down; your thoughts?
So I came home from work today to find a car parked outside my house. My friend looks at me and says "Want me to wait outside"? I say yea and I walk inside and find some 20ish year old looking dude lying on my sisters bed inside. My sister is 16 years old. 16 for fuck sake. Nobody is home; nobody except my sister knows this dude let alone knows he's even there. I walk past the room and into the bathroom thinking about what I should do next. My sister says "Oh have you met [name]"? I say "Uh, No I haven't". He didn't even look me in the eye or get up to shake my hand. My sister then just closed the door. So I instantly walked outside, got my mate to come inside with me and kick this fucker out of my house. My mate knocks on the door, opens it and my sister just put a shirt on as we opened it. He says "You, out, now. Get the fuck out. Move etc" The guy kept standing there in shock/guilt. We pushed the guy out of the house and told him to fuck off. My sister claimed they are best friends and they didn't do anything. She was just getting "changed" and he was fucking staring at her while doing so. They were just "watching a movie" when there is a big flat screen TV in the lounge that is 3 times the size of hers and definition. I said I didn't give a fuck. You can't have some 20 year old dude lying on your bed in your room with no one home and no one knowing who the fuck he is. I explained that she still lives under parents control and I bet either one of them would not let this guy be there. She argued with me and my mate for 30 minutes about it. She cried throughout the whole thing and cried some more when I went for a shower after it. So, do you think it was wrong of us to kick this guy out? My sister argues about the way in which we did it; she can't argue with the reasons WHY. Apparently she hates me and my friend and no doubt everyone of her friends and mine will learn of this. I'm 18 and would feel uncomfortable hanging out in a 16 year old (minor = hello legal case) girls room. It just isn't right - especially when nobody is home. How can I be expected to believe that they were doing nothing. That's bullshit. So, what are your thoughts of a day in the life of snpr1101? What would you do if you were in this situation?
Re: Some IRL Drama just went down; your thoughts?
you're 18? You sound more like a 70 year old who shouts at imaginary people walking over your lawn... seriously, get a grip.
lol. You reacted badly. All you did was alienate your sister. If she wants to fuck 20 year olds, kicking them out of her room won't stop her. What did you accomplish, exactly?
Well my sister is older than me, so I've never felt responsible for her and thus can't directly relate. That said, if I did have a younger sister I would image I'd want to protect and look out for her. ... Ok I was writing this whole long paragraph but the more thought I put into it the more I thought about how wrong 16 vs 20 ages are to me. imo, that's just disgusting. She may be pissed at you and you'll probably take some flak for it, but at least you won't feel guilty about if something bad were to happen and knowing you could have easily prevented it. You're looking out for your lil sis, that's all that matters. Some people may say mind your own business, but I'd rather take care of those important to me. ... Edit: I agree though that maybe kicking him out wasn't the best option. You could have called for your sister with some random excuse and talk it over in private.
I agree with Dover, you just alienated your sister. Unless you play babysitter from now on you really won't have prevented anything. All you did was create a void between you and her.
Pics, or it never happened.
Yea, maybe I did react badly. I don't really see how the comparison between shouting at imaginary people on my lawn is quite comparable to finding a 20 year old guy in my sisters room under such circumstances. I'll be honest with you; I don't understand how I alienated my sister whilst doing this. My sister and I aren't exactly close; yet I still care for her. Yes, If she wants to fuck 20 year olds, she will find a way, but it sure as hell won't be happening here. What did I accomplish? Probably not much. But I would think that if the guy isn't a complete douche; he might get the message that this just isn't happening. If I find out that this happens again; I can honestly say I will find him and beat the shit out of him. I know words are only words, and I'm not trying to to be over confident or the "tough guy on the internet"; yet I mean it. I can almost read the response already- "So, you're going to beat up everyone she has sex with?" Yes, I know this isn't the solution to the problem, but if he is willing to have sex with a minor despite what has happened; then he deserves it in my book. Yes, I could of called her out and spoke with her. But I would of been given the same bullshit story that can't justify him being there anyway. She would of gone back to her room and told him exactly what I just said. I'd rather be direct and have him know what I think firsthand as opposed to my sister telling him. There is obviously more to the story and more depth to the relationships; details that I probably won't discuss. And I know this is a huge deal to everyone else ( ), yet again I ask - What would you of done?
The whole attitude of "but it sure as hell wont happen here", is what's alienating her. It's ok, as long as I don't see it! Said the blind man.
snpr1101 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 01:33 Yea, maybe I did react badly. I don't really see how the comparison between shouting at imaginary people on my lawn is quite comparable to finding a 20 year old guy in my sisters room under such circumstances. I'll be honest with you; I don't understand how I alienated my sister whilst doing this. My sister and I aren't exactly close; yet I still care for her. Yes, If she wants to fuck 20 year olds, she will find a way, but it sure as hell won't be happening here. What did I accomplish? Probably not much. But I would think that if the guy isn't a complete douche; he might get the message that this just isn't happening. If I find out that this happens again; I can honestly say I will find him and beat the shit out of him. I know words are only words, and I'm not trying to to be over confident or the "tough guy on the internet"; yet I mean it. I can almost read the response already- "So, you're going to beat up everyone she has sex with?" Yes, I know this isn't the solution to the problem, but if he is willing to have sex with a minor despite what has happened; then he deserves it in my book. Yes, I could of called her out and spoke with her. But I would of been given the same bullshit story that can't justify him being there anyway. She would of gone back to her room and told him exactly what I just said. I'd rather be direct and have him know what I think firsthand as opposed to my sister telling him. There is obviously more to the story and more depth to the relationships; details that I probably won't discuss. And I know this is a huge deal to everyone else ( ), lol snpr1101 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 01:33 yet again I ask - What would you of done? I'm 20. My sister just turned 15. I trust that she's smart enough to bring the right guys home. If, by chance, she isn't, then me playing sex-police isn't going to do anybody any good. And neither will playing tough guy. Your issue isn't with the guy. You don't know him, he doesn't know you, and neither one of you gives a fuck about the other. Your issue is with your sister.
reborn wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 03:40 The whole attitude of "but it sure as hell wont happen here", is what's alienating her. It's ok, as long as I don't see it! Said the blind man. Not quite. What I mean by that is that while I'm here; theres no way I would let that happen. While she isn't home or I'm out; Of course I can't do anything to prevent it - And me being around her all the time is not a viable solution. After all that, do you really think I don't care as long as it doesn't happen at my house? Or was that your attempt at something witty?
Dover wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 03:41 I'm 20. My sister just turned 15. I trust that she's smart enough to bring the right guys home. If, by chance, she isn't, then me playing sex-police isn't going to do anybody any good. And neither will playing tough guy. Your issue isn't with the guy. You don't know him, he doesn't know you, and neither one of you gives a fuck about the other. Your issue is with your sister. If this is the case, then I can not help her. She would not listen to me for advice. I presume the only thing left is to let my parents deal with it.
snpr1101 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 04:44 reborn wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 03:40 The whole attitude of "but it sure as hell wont happen here", is what's alienating her. It's ok, as long as I don't see it! Said the blind man. Not quite. What I mean by that is that while I'm here; theres no way I would let that happen. While she isn't home or I'm out; Of course I can't do anything to prevent it - And me being around her all the time is not a viable solution. After all that, do you really think I don't care as long as it doesn't happen at my house? Or was that your attempt at something witty? snpr1101 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 04:33 Yes, If she wants to fuck 20 year olds, she will find a way, but it sure as hell won't be happening here. I never said you didn't care. I said it's your attitude that's alienating her. By making sure it doesn't happen at your parents home, you'll push her away. You was mad and reacted badly, you need to apologise to your sister. Perhaps hint at her introducing her boyfriend to your parents. Don't make her feel bad about herself, who do you think she's going to turn to? Come on dumbass, get smart!
snpr1101 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 02:24 I'm 18 and would feel uncomfortable hanging out in a 16 year old (minor = hello legal case) girls room. Pretty sure you'd feel uncomfortable in any girls room. 20 and 16 isn't really too weird (18 and 16 describes literally every high school relationship), except if the guy's looking for a soulmate instead of a nut haha. I remember this dumb fat girl in school that used to have a 34 yr old boyfriend who was a coworker of her dad's when she was like 15 lmfao, now that's fucked up. I don't have a sister, so I don't know how I would react...chances are the guy's a loser and I don't feel sorry for him getting run outta the house by two melvins.
Sometimes you have to trust your sister's judgement. I know what you are trying to do, but you gotta let your sister be independent once in a while. The guy she brought home might have not known she was 16.
lol, you do know that shes legal age of consent in aus is 16
snpr1101 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 01:49 Dover wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 03:41 I'm 20. My sister just turned 15. I trust that she's smart enough to bring the right guys home. If, by chance, she isn't, then me playing sex-police isn't going to do anybody any good. And neither will playing tough guy. Your issue isn't with the guy. You don't know him, he doesn't know you, and neither one of you gives a fuck about the other. Your issue is with your sister. If this is the case, then I can not help her. She would not listen to me for advice. I presume the only thing left is to let my parents deal with it. That is the case, and I don't see anyone in need of help. You haven't said anything about this guy other than that he looks 20ish and didn't shake your hand. What do you think your parents do, exactly?
Quote: I'm 20. My sister just turned 15. I trust that she's smart enough to bring the right guys home. I LOL'ed! I think what Snipr did was pretty damn logical. Don't forget his sister was clearly tryting to avoid anyone knowing about it. I agree that it's better she gets experience at a decent place rather than in the bushes but then you first get aprooval from the parents as it's still their house you live in. And you make sure the guy is at least half serious... So either he ignored it, which seems wrong in my eyes; or he just told his parents, which is even worse in my eyes as it's up to her to take that way; or he did what he did. Sure it's not a good solution but I don't see any other one, really... Get her out to talk in private, then what? Get her to kick him out instead? How's that less alienating? Have a talk with your sister, explain her what I explained and ask how she would have reacted if she were in your shoes... she might come to thank you .
Goztow wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 03:18 I LOL'ed! Hmm? What's funny? That I trust my family members not to be morons? I was that young not too long ago, and I remember the stupid things I did (and the people I did them with) with clarity. I turned out okay. As long as she's safe enough to prevent any permanent consequences, what she does is nobody elses business. Goztow wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 03:18 I think what Snipr did was pretty damn logical. Don't forget his sister was clearly tryting to avoid anyone knowing about it. I agree that it's better she gets experience at a decent place rather than in the bushes but then you first get aprooval from the parents as it's still their house you live in. And you make sure the guy is at least half serious... Of course she was trying to avoid anyone knowing about it. It's nobody elses business. I'd be more worried if she said "Don't mind us, we're just furiously humping over here". Where's the logic in what he did? He hasn't stopped his sister from doing anything. All he's done is piss people off. What logic can there possibly be in not even accomplishing your goals? Making sure the guy is serious or the place is appropriate is her call to make, not his. I'm all for being old fashioned, but I think other people deciding when and where you can have sex is crossing the line. Goztow wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 03:18 So either he ignored it, which seems wrong in my eyes; or he just told his parents, which is even worse in my eyes as it's up to her to take that way; or he did what he did. Sure it's not a good solution but I don't see any other one, really... Solution? Where's the problem? Snpr isn't involved at all. He just happened to place himself in a situation that wasn't asking for his input. Goztow wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 03:18 Get her out to talk in private, then what? Get her to kick him out instead? How's that less alienating? If it's really bothering him that much, talk it out. He's overstepping any time he forces an action out of her, though. Goztow wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 03:18 Have a talk with your sister, explain her what I explained and ask how she would have reacted if she were in your shoes... she might come to thank you . You underestimate my sister.
gotta agree with the starcraft man here doesnt represent the true emotion of : o at all, but it conveys quite accurately what i intended. is that a freudian smiley slip?
Boofst0rm wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 05:04 lol, you do know that shes legal age of consent in aus is 16 To my knowledge it's 16-18. If you're over 18 you can't have sex with a 16 year old. sadukar09 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 04:59 Sometimes you have to trust your sister's judgement. I know what you are trying to do, but you gotta let your sister be independent once in a while. The guy she brought home might have not known she was 16. Oh, he knew. They have known each other for some time, yet they aren't best friends. Dover wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 05:17 That is the case, and I don't see anyone in need of help. You haven't said anything about this guy other than that he looks 20ish and didn't shake your hand. What do you think your parents do, exactly? For starters, do you not have any objection what so ever in relation to the age difference? Apart from it being illegal, it's turning out to be the classic "Hey I can get older guys" and "Derp I'm a loser who can't / cbf to get girls my own age". Do you know how easy it is to get younger girls who have litte/no money, can't drive themselves anywhere and can't buy their own alcohol? It's dead easy. It's a relationship that is clearly not one based upon any real values that you could use to even justify it. Would my parents have a problem with my sister being a slut? I think so. Do I have a problem with this? Yea, I do. I don't want her to go down that sort of path. If she was 18, hell - I wouldn't of done what I did, because I can accept that as an adult she has the legal right to have sex with anyone she wants. JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 04:22 snpr1101 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 02:24 I'm 18 and would feel uncomfortable hanging out in a 16 year old (minor = hello legal case) girls room. Pretty sure you'd feel uncomfortable in any girls room. 20 and 16 isn't really too weird (18 and 16 describes literally every high school relationship), except if the guy's looking for a soulmate instead of a nut haha. I remember this dumb fat girl in school that used to have a 34 yr old boyfriend who was a coworker of her dad's when she was like 15 lmfao, now that's fucked up. I don't have a sister, so I don't know how I would react...chances are the guy's a loser and I don't feel sorry for him getting run outta the house by two melvins. I didn't think I would have to word it differently to avoid predictable shit; I guess I was wrong. What I was trying to say is that I know how it would make a 16 year old girls' parents feel if they learned I was alone with their daughter in her room without them knowing about it. And I respect that. That's why every girl I've been with has been my age - because they liked me for me; not because of my car, my age or how much money I had. I'm not saying that my moral standard is the level of expectation for everyone; I'm just pointing out the differences between what is accepted and what is not.
snpr1101 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 04:30 For starters, do you not have any objection what so ever in relation to the age difference? Apart from it being illegal, it's turning out to be the classic "Hey I can get older guys" and "Derp I'm a loser who can't / cbf to get girls my own age". Do you know how easy it is to get younger girls who have litte/no money, can't drive themselves anywhere and can't buy their own alcohol? It's dead easy. It's a relationship that is clearly not one based upon any real values that you could use to even justify it. Any objection based soley on the age? No, I don't. If your sister is that kind of person, then I feel sorry for your situation but her mistakes are her own to make. I wouldn't be so quick to write off the entire relationship just because she's 16 and he's 20, and snpr1101 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 04:30 Would my parents have a problem with my sister being a slut? I think so. Do I have a problem with this? Yea, I do. I don't want her to go down that sort of path. If she was 18, hell - I wouldn't of done what I did, because I can accept that as an adult she has the legal right to have sex with anyone she wants. Your sister is automatically a slut because she's dating an older man? How absurd. Over half of the women I've dated have been older than me. Are you calling me a slut? If not, why the double standard? >:[ She's not magically mature enough to have sex on her 18th birthday. If she was 17 and 11 1/2 months, would you have done it? Is your outrage based legally on morally? snpr1101 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 04:30 JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 04:22 snpr1101 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 02:24 I'm 18 and would feel uncomfortable hanging out in a 16 year old (minor = hello legal case) girls room. Pretty sure you'd feel uncomfortable in any girls room. 20 and 16 isn't really too weird (18 and 16 describes literally every high school relationship), except if the guy's looking for a soulmate instead of a nut haha. I remember this dumb fat girl in school that used to have a 34 yr old boyfriend who was a coworker of her dad's when she was like 15 lmfao, now that's fucked up. I don't have a sister, so I don't know how I would react...chances are the guy's a loser and I don't feel sorry for him getting run outta the house by two melvins. I didn't think I would have to word it differently to avoid predictable shit; I guess I was wrong. What I was trying to say is that I know how it would make a 16 year old girls' parents feel if they learned I was alone with their daughter in her room without them knowing about it. And I respect that. That's why every girl I've been with has been my age - because they liked me for me; not because of my car, my age or how much money I had. I'm not saying that my moral standard is the level of expectation for everyone; I'm just pointing out the differences between what is accepted and what is not. I'm pretty sure JohnDoe was just calling you on being a dweeb, as opposed to misunderstanding a vaguely-worded statement. Clarifying wouldn't make you less of a dweeb...
snpr1101 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 06:30 That's why every girl I've been with has been my age - because they liked me for me; not because of my car, my age or how much money I had. sucker for love ass nigga, the only reason to avoid 16 year olds is because 95% are rubbish in bed and too annoying even for small talk what's up with goztow being all about a family meeting on how the glorious cherry popping shalt be arranged?? weirdo for all we know, she might've lost her v card in some shitty club's restroom to some drunk asshole so she's currently in the process of upping her standards
JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 13:54 what's up with goztow being all about a family meeting on how the glorious cherry popping shalt be arranged?? weirdo As answer to Dover and you: I'm rather traditional in the fact I think one should get to know the person a bit before having sex with them. Getting to know the other person does include having at least informed the closest family that I have a relationship with someone called <xxx>.
Dover wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 06:39 Any objection based soley on the age? No, I don't. If your sister is that kind of person, then I feel sorry for your situation but her mistakes are her own to make. I wouldn't be so quick to write off the entire relationship just because she's 16 and he's 20. Sadly, I am discovering that she is that type of person. It's not a proper relationship. They aren't dating. Dover wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 06:39 Your sister is automatically a slut because she's dating an older man? How absurd. Over half of the women I've dated have been older than me. Are you calling me a slut? If not, why the double standard? >:[ You big manwhore. No, she's automatically a slut because of the reasons provided as to why she's actually doing this and the amount of guys she has had sex with. Dover wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 06:39 She's not magically mature enough to have sex on her 18th birthday. If she was 17 and 11 1/2 months, would you have done it? Is your outrage based legally on morally? The reality is she's 16. Of course 18 is not some magical number where upon reaching that age you're spontaneously mature enough to have sex. I'm just outraged because it's illegal and they both know it; and he should know better. Dover wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 06:39 I'm pretty sure JohnDoe was just calling you on being a dweeb, as opposed to misunderstanding a vaguely-worded statement. Clarifying wouldn't make you less of a dweeb... I'm pretty sure JonDoe was just having a dig at me. Do I need to elaborate on what I said; and how he manipulated it? Please don't call me a dweeb m8, I'm very sensitive when it comes to name calling on the internet. I find myself regretting making this topic. I herd smart peoplez post personal problems on the interwebs.
This forum probably isn't the best place to vent your frustration but if I were you and knew the things you knew about your sister, I would probably have done the same.
a "proper" relationship? theres your problem, you ostensibly live in a fantasyworld. or the 50ies.
I can imagine I'd of reacted the same way. Now, think of it this way - how would your father of reacted if it was him who found them?
nopol10 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 08:31 This forum probably isn't the best place to vent your frustration but if I were you and knew the things you knew about your sister, I would probably have done the same. you live in a city that throws people in prison for spitting on the street im surprised these prudes even accept sex b4 marriage...all this talk about proper relationship and proper cherrypopping procedures is awfully inconsistent with proper traditional values
nopol10 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 08:31 This forum probably isn't the best place to vent your frustration but if I were you and knew the things you knew about your sister, I would probably have done the same.
This all COULD cause rebellion.... Like whoever said it talk to her apologize and explain why you did it... even if she fully understands why already
It's an inevitability, really. If your sister is going to fuck around with older guys then she's going to fuck around with older guys. Deal with it, it sucks but there isn't a damned thing you can do about it.
DRNG wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 13:16 It's an inevitability, really. If your sister is going to fuck around with older guys then she's going to fuck around with older guys. Deal with it, she sucks but there isn't a damned thing you can do about it. fixed.
Goztow wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 05:56 JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 13:54 what's up with goztow being all about a family meeting on how the glorious cherry popping shalt be arranged?? weirdo As answer to Dover and you: I'm rather traditional in the fact I think one should get to know the person a bit before having sex with them. Getting to know the other person does include having at least informed the closest family that I have a relationship with someone called <xxx>. snpr1101 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 06:23 Dover wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 06:39 Any objection based soley on the age? No, I don't. If your sister is that kind of person, then I feel sorry for your situation but her mistakes are her own to make. I wouldn't be so quick to write off the entire relationship just because she's 16 and he's 20. Sadly, I am discovering that she is that type of person. It's not a proper relationship. They aren't dating. Dover wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 06:39 Your sister is automatically a slut because she's dating an older man? How absurd. Over half of the women I've dated have been older than me. Are you calling me a slut? If not, why the double standard? >:[ You big manwhore. No, she's automatically a slut because of the reasons provided as to why she's actually doing this and the amount of guys she has had sex with. Dover wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 06:39 She's not magically mature enough to have sex on her 18th birthday. If she was 17 and 11 1/2 months, would you have done it? Is your outrage based legally on morally? The reality is she's 16. Of course 18 is not some magical number where upon reaching that age you're spontaneously mature enough to have sex. I'm just outraged because it's illegal and they both know it; and he should know better. To both of you, how have snpr's actions helped anything? He's outraged, fine, and I guess he has the right to, and even though I wouldn't be in his situation, I can understand his reasons for being upset. But in what way is what he did "the right thing to do"? Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 12:16 DRNG wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 13:16 It's an inevitability, really. If your sister is going to fuck around with older guys then she's going to fuck around with older guys. Deal with it, she sucks but there isn't a damned thing you can do about it. fixed. Zing!
You may have over reacted in some ways, but I can definetly see where you are coming from. It probably was not the best way to handle the problem, but she will likely understand and possibly apprieciate it someday. The only way it will completely alienate her imo, is if she is a complete idiot. I am going to assume that she isn't. I can't say I would have done the same, it varies by all people involved... But I can say it probably would have been my first instinct aswell. Given the right people involved it could have been easily a lot worse.
Fuck this thread. Who knew renforums would be full of a bunch of moralfags. You did exactly what I would do if that was my sister (and I do have a sister, but she's 11). Whether that's good or not is debatable. But if I was you, I'd probably have gotten a few bullets in there too. God damnit RenForums. You never fail to disappoint me.
Ethenal wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 15:36 Fuck this thread. Who knew renforums would be full of a bunch of moralfags. You did exactly what I would do if that was my sister (and I do have a sister, but she's 11). Whether that's good or not is debatable. But if I was you, I'd probably have gotten a few bullets in there too. God damnit RenForums. You never fail to disappoint me. Do you have two personalities? Did you possibly mix up that character sheet of yours?
Ethenal wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 15:36 Fuck this thread. Who knew renforums would be full of a bunch of moralfags. God damnit RenForums. You never fail to disappoint me. I have been thinking this a lot lately...
Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 14:16 DRNG wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 13:16 It's an inevitability, really. If your sister is going to fuck around with older guys then she's going to fuck around with older guys. Deal with it, she sucks but there isn't a damned thing you can do about it. fixed. Hey! You're clever. No really, you're pretty cool. It is my futile wish that respect was something owed in topics such as this where I need to discuss something of importance; and 99% of people here have given me that. Yea it's the internet; and yea it's not your problem. But it matters to me. There are a lot of intelligent members here who can and have offered me good advice. Then there are people like you who have the potential to help; yet say stupid shit like that; and for what? Does it make you feel better? Maybe being an anonymous ignorant prick helps fill up your quota for daily entertainment. I'm all for your jokes, there just a time and a topic mate. I've read everyone's comments and I'd like to say - thanks for your advice. I wouldn't of made this topic if I did not have a lack of intelligent people to talk to this about IRL. This is just not something I want to discuss with %99 of friends; and I guess the anonymity helps as well.
Stupid way to react. You shoulda been way cooler about it, gotten to know the guy, but keep a watchful eye on him. Be like "Don't fuck with my sister.". Y'know, act like a brother, and not a jackass. Now she's going to run off to him and fuck him at his place, GJ
GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 20:50 Stupid way to react. You shoulda been way cooler about it, gotten to know the guy, but keep a watchful eye on him. Be like "Don't fuck with my sister.". Y'know, act like a brother, and not a jackass. Now she's going to run off to him and fuck him at his place, GJ And possibly have worse thing happen to her. I would think it's the right thing to do, and I'd probably do the same thing in your case, but it's better to be calmer about it.
she thinks it's cool that she's with an older guy, he thinks it's cool that he's with a younger girl you did something, sure it might not have been the best thing, but at least you tried and i think they're right, based on how she defended it she's just going to do it away from your house because she doesn't understand or doesn't want to understand i wouldn't let something like that happen to my sister either
snpr1101 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 02:24 So I came home from work today to find a car parked outside my house. My friend looks at me and says "Want me to wait outside"? I say yea and I walk inside and find some 20ish year old looking dude lying on my sisters bed inside. My sister is 16 years old. 16 for fuck sake. Nobody is home; nobody except my sister knows this dude let alone knows he's even there. I walk past the room and into the bathroom thinking about what I should do next. My sister says "Oh have you met [name]"? I say "Uh, No I haven't". He didn't even look me in the eye or get up to shake my hand. My sister then just closed the door. So I instantly walked outside, got my mate to come inside with me and kick this fucker out of my house. My mate knocks on the door, opens it and my sister just put a shirt on as we opened it. He says "You, out, now. Get the fuck out. Move etc" The guy kept standing there in shock/guilt. We pushed the guy out of the house and told him to fuck off. My sister claimed they are best friends and they didn't do anything. She was just getting "changed" and he was fucking staring at her while doing so. They were just "watching a movie" when there is a big flat screen TV in the lounge that is 3 times the size of hers and definition. I said I didn't give a fuck. You can't have some 20 year old dude lying on your bed in your room with no one home and no one knowing who the fuck he is. I explained that she still lives under parents control and I bet either one of them would not let this guy be there. She argued with me and my mate for 30 minutes about it. She cried throughout the whole thing and cried some more when I went for a shower after it. So, do you think it was wrong of us to kick this guy out? My sister argues about the way in which we did it; she can't argue with the reasons WHY. Apparently she hates me and my friend and no doubt everyone of her friends and mine will learn of this. I'm 18 and would feel uncomfortable hanging out in a 16 year old (minor = hello legal case) girls room. It just isn't right - especially when nobody is home. How can I be expected to believe that they were doing nothing. That's bullshit. So, what are your thoughts of a day in the life of snpr1101? What would you do if you were in this situation good work man, you sure taught her she needs to do her fuckin' outside of the home hey if you were 16 and some hot 20 year old college chick knocked on your door and wanted your cock, what would you do
snpr1101 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 18:54 Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 14:16 DRNG wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 13:16 It's an inevitability, really. If your sister is going to fuck around with older guys then she's going to fuck around with older guys. Deal with it, she sucks but there isn't a damned thing you can do about it. fixed. Hey! You're clever. No really, you're pretty cool. It is my futile wish that respect was something owed in topics such as this where I need to discuss something of importance; and 99% of people here have given me that. Yea it's the internet; and yea it's not your problem. But it matters to me. There are a lot of intelligent members here who can and have offered me good advice. Then there are people like you who have the potential to help; yet say stupid shit like that; and for what? Does it make you feel better? Maybe being an anonymous ignorant prick helps fill up your quota for daily entertainment. I'm all for your jokes, there just a time and a topic mate. I've read everyone's comments and I'd like to say - thanks for your advice. I wouldn't of made this topic if I did not have a lack of intelligent people to talk to this about IRL. This is just not something I want to discuss with %99 of friends; and I guess the anonymity helps as well. What advice is there to give? How can I, a random person on the renegadeforum you know nothing about, change your attitude towards a fairly fundamental issue? I sure as hell won't change your mind. So, who exactly are you thanking for their advice? The people who actually criticized what you did, or the fundies giving you a pat on the back, thinking you were morally upright when you were really just patronising your sister?
Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 04:48 snpr1101 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 18:54 Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 14:16 DRNG wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 13:16 It's an inevitability, really. If your sister is going to fuck around with older guys then she's going to fuck around with older guys. Deal with it, she sucks but there isn't a damned thing you can do about it. fixed. Hey! You're clever. No really, you're pretty cool. It is my futile wish that respect was something owed in topics such as this where I need to discuss something of importance; and 99% of people here have given me that. Yea it's the internet; and yea it's not your problem. But it matters to me. There are a lot of intelligent members here who can and have offered me good advice. Then there are people like you who have the potential to help; yet say stupid shit like that; and for what? Does it make you feel better? Maybe being an anonymous ignorant prick helps fill up your quota for daily entertainment. I'm all for your jokes, there just a time and a topic mate. I've read everyone's comments and I'd like to say - thanks for your advice. I wouldn't of made this topic if I did not have a lack of intelligent people to talk to this about IRL. This is just not something I want to discuss with %99 of friends; and I guess the anonymity helps as well. What advice is there to give? How can I, a random person on the renegadeforum you know nothing about, change your attitude towards a fairly fundamental issue? I sure as hell won't change your mind. So, who exactly are you thanking for their advice? The people who actually criticized what you did, or the fundies giving you a pat on the back, thinking you were morally upright when you were really just patronising your sister? Like I said, I thanked everyone for their advice. While appearances may be deceiving; I'm not so self consumed as to only acknowledge people who didn't criticize me. Upon reading everyone's opinions, I do realize that yea, the way I went about it was wrong. If I am honestly seeking opinions, then anybody has the ability to change my mind (I'm already thinking of how I can apologize). - Yet anyone can not possibly know my true intentions, so I won't hold that against you.
lol everyone who posted in this topic (especially dover) is an idiot. your sister is a skank like kelly bundy and you need to kick every older mans ass who tries to have sex with your teenage sister, older dudes are just bangin young chicks because theyre retarded and easy for the most part. its not even valid to try and reverse the situation as younger man - older woman, since guys are gonna bang anything that goes in front of them anyways. younger girls are easily manipulated and you were entirely in the right to kick this guy out.
If she were my sister, I probably would've just torn his head off and staked it outside her school as a gentle warning for others. She can go out and meet guys when she's good and ready. Like, when she's 32 or something.
nikki6ixx wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 17:31 If she were my sister, I probably would've just torn his head off and staked it outside her school as a gentle warning for others. She can go out and meet guys when she's good and ready. Like, when she's 32 or something. Is "32" a typo, or a joke? Either way, I lol'd. I'm with Goztow on as far as "... informed close family that I was in a relationship with <xxx> ...", but unless he was breaking the law, or exceptionally rude/aggressive/drunk/stoned/ otherwise undesirable, I'd have taken a less direct route, probably asked my sister to step outside her room for a sec to talk.
JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 15:00 nopol10 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 08:31 This forum probably isn't the best place to vent your frustration but if I were you and knew the things you knew about your sister, I would probably have done the same. you live in a city that throws people in prison for spitting on the street im surprised these prudes even accept sex b4 marriage...all this talk about proper relationship and proper cherrypopping procedures is awfully inconsistent with proper traditional values I actually agree with this guy. How many of you sat down and explained to your mum/dad/brothers that you were shagging and how you were doing it. In fairness yes you can be protective of siblings but its her life. Just be glad you didnt walk in and catch them in the act and get over it.
I have a l5 year old sister who's a little slut. I have known a couple of over-18 guys who have given her way too much attention and they're very lucky I'm not a guy because I would have beaten the little pedophiles to a pulp. The ONLY reason a 20 year old is hanging out with a 16 year old is to get her to have sex with him and someone that young and naive is an easy target to get his dick wet. Period. He's not there because he finds her interesting. He finds her tits interesting.
there's a difference between a sucker and a pedophile...in your sister's case i'd say 19-25 are mostly suckers while everything older than that is definite pedo territory
Crimson wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 18:36 I have a l5 year old sister who's a little slut. I have known a couple of over-18 guys who have given her way too much attention and they're very lucky I'm not a guy because I would have beaten the little pedophiles to a pulp. The ONLY reason a 20 year old is hanging out with a 16 year old is to get her to have sex with him and someone that young and naive is an easy target to get his dick wet. Period. He's not there because he finds her interesting. He finds her tits interesting. I happen to know multiple counter-examples irl. Stop generalising.
Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 13:31 Crimson wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 18:36 I have a l5 year old sister who's a little slut. I have known a couple of over-18 guys who have given her way too much attention and they're very lucky I'm not a guy because I would have beaten the little pedophiles to a pulp. The ONLY reason a 20 year old is hanging out with a 16 year old is to get her to have sex with him and someone that young and naive is an easy target to get his dick wet. Period. He's not there because he finds her interesting. He finds her tits interesting. I happen to know multiple counter-examples irl. Stop generalising. was about to say this. I've actually met a good amount of 15-16 year olds who are pretty damn mature, and a good amount of 20-25 year olds who are immature as fuck. Age hardly matters around 15+ (although a mature 15 year old is reeallly hard to find these days). Of course you can't say this in today's society because you're labeled as an automatic pedo, because suddenly everyone is mature and responsible at 18 and it's alright... I've also met a good few examples of 16 year olds or so dating 20 year olds or so. Stop generalizing.
you think a 20 year old is bad i know a 36 year old who dates a 16 year old (i no longer associate with him due to fear of judgement from others)
GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 13:37 Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 13:31 Crimson wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 18:36 I have a l5 year old sister who's a little slut. I have known a couple of over-18 guys who have given her way too much attention and they're very lucky I'm not a guy because I would have beaten the little pedophiles to a pulp. The ONLY reason a 20 year old is hanging out with a 16 year old is to get her to have sex with him and someone that young and naive is an easy target to get his dick wet. Period. He's not there because he finds her interesting. He finds her tits interesting. I happen to know multiple counter-examples irl. Stop generalising. was about to say this. I've actually met a good amount of 15-16 year olds who are pretty damn mature, and a good amount of 20-25 year olds who are immature as fuck. Age hardly matters around 15+ (although a mature 15 year old is reeallly hard to find these days). Of course you can't say this in today's society because you're labeled as an automatic pedo, because suddenly everyone is mature and responsible at 18 and it's alright... I've also met a good few examples of 16 year olds or so dating 20 year olds or so. Stop generalizing. Besides the last two statements Crimson made, I agree with you guys. "The guy kept standing there in shock/guilt." part gives him away, and it fits Crimson's statements, and I (unfortunately) know a few examples that fit Crimson's beliefs, but not everyone is a sleazy faggot.
Z3RATUL99 wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 14:46 you think a 20 year old is bad i know a 36 year old who dates a 16 year old (i no longer associate with him due to fear of judgement from others) I've seen 40 and 16, a dirty loser on welfare and a goth crack slut.
DRNG wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 15:53 Z3RATUL99 wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 14:46 you think a 20 year old is bad i know a 36 year old who dates a 16 year old (i no longer associate with him due to fear of judgement from others) I've seen 40 and 16, a dirty loser on welfare and a goth crack slut. people these days
IAmFenix wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 15:08 GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 13:37 Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 13:31 Crimson wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 18:36 I have a l5 year old sister who's a little slut. I have known a couple of over-18 guys who have given her way too much attention and they're very lucky I'm not a guy because I would have beaten the little pedophiles to a pulp. The ONLY reason a 20 year old is hanging out with a 16 year old is to get her to have sex with him and someone that young and naive is an easy target to get his dick wet. Period. He's not there because he finds her interesting. He finds her tits interesting. I happen to know multiple counter-examples irl. Stop generalising. was about to say this. I've actually met a good amount of 15-16 year olds who are pretty damn mature, and a good amount of 20-25 year olds who are immature as fuck. Age hardly matters around 15+ (although a mature 15 year old is reeallly hard to find these days). Of course you can't say this in today's society because you're labeled as an automatic pedo, because suddenly everyone is mature and responsible at 18 and it's alright... I've also met a good few examples of 16 year olds or so dating 20 year olds or so. Stop generalizing. Besides the last two statements Crimson made, I agree with you guys. "The guy kept standing there in shock/guilt." part gives him away, and it fits Crimson's statements, and I (unfortunately) know a few examples that fit Crimson's beliefs, but not everyone is a sleazy faggot. Pretty sure the guy wasn't just feeling awkward because of the age difference..he just got a nut ruined by the girls older brother. Oh and there are no mature 15 year olds dummy...only immature/retarded older boyfriends (in the rare case a sucker thinks he actually found his soulmate)...only thing mature is the body.
JohnDoe wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 17:42 only thing mature is the body. And for most men going 30-20 > 16-13 that's all that matters.
JohnDoe wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 17:42 IAmFenix wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 15:08 GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 13:37 Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 13:31 Crimson wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 18:36 I have a l5 year old sister who's a little slut. I have known a couple of over-18 guys who have given her way too much attention and they're very lucky I'm not a guy because I would have beaten the little pedophiles to a pulp. The ONLY reason a 20 year old is hanging out with a 16 year old is to get her to have sex with him and someone that young and naive is an easy target to get his dick wet. Period. He's not there because he finds her interesting. He finds her tits interesting. I happen to know multiple counter-examples irl. Stop generalising. was about to say this. I've actually met a good amount of 15-16 year olds who are pretty damn mature, and a good amount of 20-25 year olds who are immature as fuck. Age hardly matters around 15+ (although a mature 15 year old is reeallly hard to find these days). Of course you can't say this in today's society because you're labeled as an automatic pedo, because suddenly everyone is mature and responsible at 18 and it's alright... I've also met a good few examples of 16 year olds or so dating 20 year olds or so. Stop generalizing. Besides the last two statements Crimson made, I agree with you guys. "The guy kept standing there in shock/guilt." part gives him away, and it fits Crimson's statements, and I (unfortunately) know a few examples that fit Crimson's beliefs, but not everyone is a sleazy faggot. Pretty sure the guy wasn't just feeling awkward because of the age difference..he just got a nut ruined by the girls older brother. Oh and there are no mature 15 year olds dummy...only immature/retarded older boyfriends (in the rare case a sucker thinks he actually found his soulmate)...only thing mature is the body. He looked guilty because as we opened the door, my sister was putting a top on while he was watching her. If you're doing that and her angry brother and friend walk in and tell you to get the fuck out; you're going to be shocked. He's too much of a loser to get chicks his own age, and she thinks she's cool because she can fuck older guys. Pretty sad really.
what if he really had just watched her change and knew how awkward it must have looked to you and just sat there not knowing what to do even though nothing had happened between them you big jakas
liquidv2 wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 19:22 what if he really had just watched her change and knew how awkward it must have looked to you and just sat there not knowing what to do even though nothing had happened between them you big jakas Naviety is a wonderful thing; when you're 6. ;P Trust me, I know more is going on than that.
JohnDoe wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 17:42 IAmFenix wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 15:08 GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 13:37 Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 13:31 Crimson wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 18:36 I have a l5 year old sister who's a little slut. I have known a couple of over-18 guys who have given her way too much attention and they're very lucky I'm not a guy because I would have beaten the little pedophiles to a pulp. The ONLY reason a 20 year old is hanging out with a 16 year old is to get her to have sex with him and someone that young and naive is an easy target to get his dick wet. Period. He's not there because he finds her interesting. He finds her tits interesting. I happen to know multiple counter-examples irl. Stop generalising. was about to say this. I've actually met a good amount of 15-16 year olds who are pretty damn mature, and a good amount of 20-25 year olds who are immature as fuck. Age hardly matters around 15+ (although a mature 15 year old is reeallly hard to find these days). Of course you can't say this in today's society because you're labeled as an automatic pedo, because suddenly everyone is mature and responsible at 18 and it's alright... I've also met a good few examples of 16 year olds or so dating 20 year olds or so. Stop generalizing. Besides the last two statements Crimson made, I agree with you guys. "The guy kept standing there in shock/guilt." part gives him away, and it fits Crimson's statements, and I (unfortunately) know a few examples that fit Crimson's beliefs, but not everyone is a sleazy faggot. Pretty sure the guy wasn't just feeling awkward because of the age difference..he just got a nut ruined by the girls older brother. Oh and there are no mature 15 year olds dummy...only immature/retarded older boyfriends (in the rare case a sucker thinks he actually found his soulmate)...only thing mature is the body. ... You misunderstand. I didn't mean to imply that he may have been feeling awkward from the age difference, I'm saying he just got caught in the damn act. I provided examples and counter-examples. I think that he's a loser or some sick pervert who likes underaged girls (See: Pedophile) and it's sad to speculate the number of pedophiles. Honestly, I don't get them or their preference.
I had a younger sister I'd have done the same. Face facts men at that age aren't interested in feelings especially if the girl is younger, shes not mature enough as well. she lacks experience therefore is an easy target. Don't give a fuck what anyone could say, any 20 year old with a barely legal girl is one dirty fucker to begin with. I'm not talking out of free thought here, I'm talking from experience, I've known girls at my age 16-17 getting fucked about by 21 year old guys with girlfriends or just playing girls like a game of cards. The times I've spoken to a guy who's that age saying hes got some 16 year old girl, always says its for the sex with no indication that theres more to it. They always lie too. Guess it's what men are great at, making girls believe we have expectations and shit, That chances are that guy was taking advantage. The thought of it makes me rage. Get someone your own age you pathetic prick.
if either one of my teenage sisters did this and i come home, then they sure as hell know they'll get the same response as snpr's sister got. and she'd be lucky if it were me that found the creep and not our parents, as troubles from parents are nothing compared to momentary troubles from me
Even assuming the guy was over to fuck her little 16 year old brains out, what good does kicking him out do? I guess he learned his lesson and will never try that again, and I'm sure his sister won't persue him at all, right? Or just replace him with another generic 20-something? Get a fucking grip, everybody.
Dover wrote on Mon, 09 August 2010 03:00 Even assuming the guy was over to fuck her little 16 year old brains out, what good does kicking him out do? I guess he learned his lesson and will never try that again, and I'm sure his sister won't persue him at all, right? Or just replace him with another generic 20-something? Get a fucking grip, everybody. And the same thing would apply if she was on pills, and you got pissed and threw her pills out. Wouldn't she just go find some more? Just because it's going to happen anyway doesn't mean you should be all "oh, that's ok, i can't stop you" about it.
Ethenal wrote on Mon, 09 August 2010 09:59 Dover wrote on Mon, 09 August 2010 03:00 Even assuming the guy was over to fuck her little 16 year old brains out, what good does kicking him out do? I guess he learned his lesson and will never try that again, and I'm sure his sister won't persue him at all, right? Or just replace him with another generic 20-something? Get a fucking grip, everybody. And the same thing would apply if she was on pills, and you got pissed and threw her pills out. Wouldn't she just go find some more? yup. is that all?
Dover wrote on Mon, 09 August 2010 03:00 Even assuming the guy was over to fuck her little 16 year old brains out, what good does kicking him out do? I guess he learned his lesson and will never try that again, and I'm sure his sister won't persue him at all, right? Or just replace him with another generic 20-something? Get a fucking grip, everybody. you just love being the antagonist basically, don't be like dover or the OP
JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 09 August 2010 10:51 Dover wrote on Mon, 09 August 2010 03:00 Even assuming the guy was over to fuck her little 16 year old brains out, what good does kicking him out do? I guess he learned his lesson and will never try that again, and I'm sure his sister won't persue him at all, right? Or just replace him with another generic 20-something? Get a fucking grip, everybody. you just love being the antagonist basically, don't be like dover or the OP Or any replier in the forum.
Have you talked to your sister about it since the event or have you just been posting what ifs on this thread? Ask her honestly if anything was going on with him or something ...
Ethenal wrote on Mon, 09 August 2010 07:59 Dover wrote on Mon, 09 August 2010 03:00 Even assuming the guy was over to fuck her little 16 year old brains out, what good does kicking him out do? I guess he learned his lesson and will never try that again, and I'm sure his sister won't persue him at all, right? Or just replace him with another generic 20-something? Get a fucking grip, everybody. And the same thing would apply if she was on pills, and you got pissed and threw her pills out. Wouldn't she just go find some more? Just because it's going to happen anyway doesn't mean you should be all "oh, that's ok, i can't stop you" about it. Pretty much. I'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to think that throwing out her pills will do a shred of good, regardless of how right it may seem when I'm raging out of my mind. JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 09 August 2010 08:51 Dover wrote on Mon, 09 August 2010 03:00 Even assuming the guy was over to fuck her little 16 year old brains out, what good does kicking him out do? I guess he learned his lesson and will never try that again, and I'm sure his sister won't persue him at all, right? Or just replace him with another generic 20-something? Get a fucking grip, everybody. you just love being the antagonist basically, don't be like dover or the OP As if there's anybody on these forums people should be emulating..
^fenix thats not even a word dover, im talking about the two extreme opinions in this thread...the only person worth emulating is me, now matter how unreachable it seems to some
JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 09 August 2010 13:41 thats not even a word Emulating? Google Chrome doesn't seem to have a problem with it. Nor does the forum's spell check. That's good enough for me.
Of course, my mistake. I don't see my opinion as particularly extreme. I'm just calling the guy on being a faggot for kicking the dude and thinking he's somehow done any good. Extreme is Goztow's cherry-popping planning, in my opinion.
laissez-faire with teenage girls is the other extreme and often leads to great things like pregnancy and stds, even though it should be the parents' business to check the hoe and not the ultrakonservative dweebrother
JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 10 August 2010 00:48 laissez-faire with teenage girls is the other extreme and often leads to great things like pregnancy and stds, even though it should be the parents' business to check the hoe and not the ultrakonservative dweebrother I agree with you. Let's put Dover's point of view really to an extreme. If you cannot stop her from fucking 20 year olds, then why not introduce her to a 20 year old? And if she wants to do pills anyway, then let's find her a nice dealer!
i think what dover is trying to say is that the guy who posted this topic should stop being a fucking prude and just tag team with the guy and double penetrate his sister if necessary
Goztow wrote on Mon, 09 August 2010 23:14 JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 10 August 2010 00:48 laissez-faire with teenage girls is the other extreme and often leads to great things like pregnancy and stds, even though it should be the parents' business to check the hoe and not the ultrakonservative dweebrother I agree with you. Let's put Dover's point of view really to an extreme. If you cannot stop her from fucking 20 year olds, then why not introduce her to a 20 year old? And if she wants to do pills anyway, then let's find her a nice dealer! That's not my view at all, Goztow. My view is that what a person does to/for themselves, nobody else can do for them. As brother, snpr can't do much. His parents can try to teach his sister right from wrong and equip her with the tools to deal with the rest of her life, but they can't live her life for her nor make her choices for her. If, in spite of their parenting, she decides to suck dick for drugs, there isn't much they can do. That's the wonderful bit about being a parent, you see. You've created life, an entirely different person with independent thought who is capable of making their own choices. And since he's "only" a brother, there's even less snpr can do, unless he decides to play cockblock police for the next few years. And even then he can only do that for so long until she has the legal right to screw whoever she wants. Then what? You're all capitalists, right? What happened to the individual taking responsibility for their choices? Self determination, freedom of enterprise, etc etc? (Oh, my! How extreme!)
Quote: You're all capitalists, right? What happened to the individual taking responsibility for their choices? Self determination, freedom of enterprise, etc etc? There's a good reason why those rights are limited for minors.
It's just not a good idea to go in and kick the crap out of the dude, or threaten him, push him out the house... I wouldn't like to see my daughter at the age of 16 with some 20 year old. Nor would I like to see her doing pills, either. However, if I caught her, then I would try to remain calm, no matter how much I wanted to go ape shit. I wouldn't take the attitude of "Well, it's gonna happen, so why even bother trying to stop her?", that's just bad parenting. But rushing in with a baseball bat is going to make things worse. She'll think I don't understand her, that I am judging her badly, that I don't trust her, that I don't want her to be happy etc etc so on and so forth... I would be alienating her. But in her mind, who do you think will understand her? The 20 year old dousche bag trying to sleep with her! She'll turn to him for love, affection and understanding... It's not a case of "oh well, let her get on with it", it's making sure you deal with the situation delicately to get the desired outcome (i.e the horny 20 year old is ancient history, along with her thoughts of repeating the same mistake again). I'm not interested in making myself feel better by saying to myself "Least I taught that kid a lesson!", because really, it's the wrong kid, and the wrong lesson. I'm only interested in my daughters well-being.
Goztow wrote on Tue, 10 August 2010 01:22 Quote: You're all capitalists, right? What happened to the individual taking responsibility for their choices? Self determination, freedom of enterprise, etc etc? There's a good reason why those rights are limited for minors. Of course, but the dividing line between having those rights and not having those rights is so cut and dry only because of the inherent limits in the legal system. Are all persons mature enough to handle these rights (And the responsibilities that come with them) at 18? If so, are they any less capable at 17 and 11 months? I'm sure you agree there's no magical transformation that takes place on the eve of the 18th birthday. The distinction you're trying to make (Minor, bad; Over AoC, okay) is good enough for a lawmaker because it's the best they can do to satisfy the unique situations of everybody in a state with one set of rules. But it's not good enough for an individual parent. It's a cop-out to just say otherwise. And even if we disagree on whether or not the sister is worthy of these rights in this particular case (Lets be honest, that's a judgement we're both equally unqualified to make), what good have snpr's actions done? From a pragmatists standpoint, he's trying to stop his sister from making what he considers to be a mistake, and ultimately instill a sense of right and wrong in her. Not only has he not accomplished that, but he's alienated her and made it harder to achieve those goals. He fucked up. There's no seeing it any other way.
Quote: Not only has he not accomplished that, but he's alienated her and made it harder to achieve those goals. I don't see how you can conclude that. In the short term, he has achieved a goal: getting the guy out of his house. In the long run, there's no way anyone can tell how it'll turn out. You can assume she'll redo the same thing but each person may react differently. If he has talked to her since the incident and explained the reasons for his action, she may have understood and the force of the action may have helped her to understand how hard he feels about it.
Goztow wrote on Tue, 10 August 2010 02:26 In the short term, he has achieved a goal: getting the guy out of his house. Is that the goal? Who gives two shits about the guy. It's the girl we're concerned with, right? Goztow wrote on Tue, 10 August 2010 02:26 In the long run, there's no way anyone can tell how it'll turn out. You can assume she'll redo the same thing but each person may react differently. If he has talked to her since the incident and explained the reasons for his action, she may have understood and the force of the action may have helped her to understand how hard he feels about it. Has he done that? He's just played the role of the tough guy and kicked a guy out and forced her to tears. Re-read the thread and everything that snpr has written so far. What leads you to believe that he's talked to her and explained himself? Re-read the OP and count the number of times he writes "fuck". What makes you think he's articulate enough to have this discourse with his sister at the time (Which he himself describes as "arguing" while she cries), when he's still so angry after the fact when he's telling strangers on the internet? Talking with her and attempting to do something resembling parenting is a good course of action. That isn't what he did. All he did was get pissed off, kick the guy out, and alienate his sister. He fucked up. Just to clarify, here's the stance he's taking, the stance you're apparently agreeing with: snpr1101 wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 01:33 What did I accomplish? Probably not much. But I would think that if the guy isn't a complete douche; he might get the message that this just isn't happening. If I find out that this happens again; I can honestly say I will find him and beat the shit out of him. I know words are only words, and I'm not trying to to be over confident or the "tough guy on the internet"; yet I mean it. I can almost read the response already- "So, you're going to beat up everyone she has sex with?" Yes, I know this isn't the solution to the problem, but if he is willing to have sex with a minor despite what has happened; then he deserves it in my book. How does that teach her right from wrong? How can you call that parenting? How is it this useful to anybody, in any way?
Goztow wrote on Tue, 10 August 2010 05:26 If he has talked to her since the incident and explained the reasons for his action, she may have understood and the force of the action may have helped her to understand how hard he feels about it. That is not something I would like to have to put to the test. I believe that approach would at the very best convince her you have her best interests at heart. However, if she feels she knows best, all it will achieve is her being more secretive about it because "Ah, bless him... Poor Daddy/bother/whoever does love me and wants the best for me, but they just don't understand! I know what I'm doing...". My Dad became really angry because he found out I smoked some weed One time. He raged about it, and I knew he was only worried about me. I said I was sorry and I knew it was stupid. What I really though though was more like this: Oh for fuck's sake it's only weed, I knew he'd think it was like me shooting up heroin, there's a massive difference! Gateway drug? Oh come on... I'm not stupid, I'd never do that shit, it's just having a laugh with some mates. It never stopped me from doing it again, it just made me more sneaky. I'm not saying do nothing, just make sure your actions are the most effective.
The only action which can have any impact, in your logic, is preventive action. I'm all for preventing but if you note something's going "wrong" (by your set of values), then one should act. I have serious doubts if people would actually act like they say here if it was their own daughter in cause.
If put in the same position, and it was my daughter, I would like to think that I could restrain myself from reacting badly to the guy. Not because I owe him anything, for all I care he could get run over by a bus. However, perhaps you're right... In the heat of the moment I might lose self control and strangle him. I do not agree that it's only a preventative form of action though. In the same position, I would like to think that I would invite my daughter and her friend to spend the rest of the evening in the living room with me and my wife (if all he wants is sex, or he is embarrassed, then he'll leave most likely). Once he has left, I would have a talk with my daughter (making sure my wife was there too to back me up and stress the points I was making). It's a far safer move in my opinion.
lol last time i fucked a 16 years old girl, was like 2 months ago. I even got a blow job in a cafe's restroom. Seriously im 20. Why even bother, girls are more mature then most of the guys who are even like 21 or 25. edit: Also, in my honest opinion, i got a sister of 16 years old. Her choices is their own business. I dont do that shit. We both know our sisters have lost their virginity when they were 15. So why bother anyways. In my eyes, i got the feeling that you are actually jealous for some reason.. In a way though.
... Or maybe some brothers just don't want their sisters giving blowjobs to greasy dudes in washroom stalls. :/
Goztow wrote on Tue, 10 August 2010 04:51 The only action which can have any impact, in your logic, is preventive action. I'm all for preventing but if you note something's going "wrong" (by your set of values), then one should act. I have serious doubts if people would actually act like they say here if it was their own daughter in cause. To what end, Goztow? You keep dodging the question. What good have snpr's actions done, besides making him feel big and manly? nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 10 August 2010 11:42 ... Or maybe some brothers just don't want their sisters giving blowjobs to greasy dudes in washroom stalls. :/ Especially greasy orange dudes :/
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renalpha wrote on Tue, 10 August 2010 10:25 lol last time i fucked a 16 years old girl, was like 2 months ago. I even got a blow job in a cafe's restroom. Seriously im 20. Why even bother, girls are more mature then most of the guys who are even like 21 or 25. edit: Also, in my honest opinion, i got a sister of 16 years old. Her choices is their own business. I dont do that shit. We both know our sisters have lost their virginity when they were 15. So why bother anyways. In my eyes, i got the feeling that you are actually jealous for some reason.. In a way though. ahahaha...
20 and 16 is no big deal....shes old enough to do what shes wants, and its none of your business. If you did that to me, I'd set your room on fire (imagine if your sister cockblocked you?). But actually, if the guy was scared away by 2 18 year old kids...your sister shouldn't have been with him anyway lol @nikki, lol? maybe they are independent and just wanna do what they want? who are you to say they shouldn't be giving blowies in bathroom stalls...renalpha, I think they just frontin' and no bro, im not from staten island
exactly if she walked in on you as you were about to get laid and tried to kick the girl out because she didnt approve of her then what would your reaction be? If its not "fuck off" then your a liar.
anyone who does not believe me. its ok to me. Really, what my sister or lil sister does. i just don't give a fuck. When i was 14/15 i was prob like most of the guys over here. Come on. Nowadays everything is changing. I grew up with my mom, sister and little sister. What i do is allowed for them to do. I act slutty, my sisters don't. If they do. I dont give a damn. You know why? Because women are the same like man. I dont see any difference except im attracted to women. For the record who is quoting this message. I really bet, 90% of this community is jealous on me!
If anyone needed any more reasons to act like snipr did, Renalpha just gave you a great one!
renalpha wrote on Wed, 11 August 2010 18:38 Because women are the same like man. I dont see any difference For the record who is quoting this message. I really bet, 90% of this community is jealous on me! [ sarcasm]Hmm, there's definitely no anatomical or chemical difference in males or female.[/ sarcasm] And "For the record" (herp a derp) no one is jealous of you. Anyone who is would be someone who's stuck in a wheelchair paralyzed from the waist down thinking "Damn, I wish I could walk again!" Get over yourself.
IAmFenix wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 12:30 renalpha wrote on Wed, 11 August 2010 18:38 Because women are the same like man. I dont see any difference For the record who is quoting this message. I really bet, 90% of this community is jealous on me! [ sarcasm]Hmm, there's definitely no anatomical or chemical difference in males or female.[/ sarcasm] And "For the record" (herp a derp) no one is jealous of you. Anyone who is would be someone who's stuck in a wheelchair paralyzed from the waist down thinking "Damn, I wish I could walk again!" Get over yourself. yeah it seems i do have problems. Excuse me children!