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30 days ban for RSF Raptor for knowingly breaking this rule: Cheats/Hacks: This forum fully supports RenGuard along with other anti-cheat solutions. With that said, the posting or advertising of cheats will not be tolerated in any way imaginable. I'll repeat it again: we shall not tolerate any kind of cheat on Renegadeforums.com.
Wrong subforum, Goz, unless we've stopped announcing bans in General Chat.
Sir Kane wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 12:29 What? He hinted at a cheat hud, with things like Buildig bars, mine counter, distance meter and hit indicator. Much more cheathud you can't get I guess.
Gozy, don't you think 30 days are a bit much? It's just a fucking HUD.
Killgeak wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 15:36 30days is not much for a cheat Especially when he got a clear warning here
cAmpa wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 08:07 Gozy, don't you think 30 days are a bit much? It's just a fucking HUD. I must say, i agree with that, its easy to find, and he removed every link, as i can see, so i wouldent give 30days for that! a 10day maximum i would say. Why censore eveyrthing with BB? Some say cheat, some say advantage, but in the end, its hard to remove, but everyone can get it. So unless TT got a fix to remove BB, you really cant stop it. Not now.
Kimb wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 17:04 cAmpa wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 08:07 Gozy, don't you think 30 days are a bit much? It's just a fucking HUD. I must say, i agree with that, its easy to find, and he removed every link, as i can see, so i wouldent give 30days for that! a 10day maximum i would say. Why censore eveyrthing with BB? Some say cheat, some say advantage, but in the end, its hard to remove, but everyone can get it. So unless TT got a fix to remove BB, you really cant stop it. Not now. The theard about the HUD was at first not removed. It got removed after RSF angel suggested you'd google his cheats. Would be much like 0x90 saying that you could find *some cheat* if you would type in *some searchterm* in google. No, it's not a direct link, but it makes it darned easy to find.
I think TT should just include an awesome HUD. With the options to show or not show certain information. Then people can stop crying "advantage" and "cheats"...
People just need to stop bitching about building bars, because to be perfectly honest, if you're that fussed about it - go play a different game. They're going to be around for a while and all this melodramatic arguing is utter bullshit and actually puts people off using these forums... I'd unban him because it's a flawed reason, it's not a cheat - it's a feature. Just leave it be.
Aimbot's also a feature then...
Cheats are cheats. But HUDs aren't one of them. (upgraded?) HUDs are indirect advantages. Cheats are direct advantages. Basically, a HUD gives you some information but still requires you to compute it into your strategy for playing. A cheat just makes the game easier to play in direct advantage to everyone else (big heads, infinite health, stealth detection, ect.) Whether or not an (upgraded?) HUD is bad or not is up to you. But they should in no way measure up to ACTUAL cheats.
Goztow wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 12:53 Aimbot's also a feature then... Aimbot does something for you that you might not be able to do yourself. BB's and mine counters just show you info that you can get already... Yea you have to hit a button to see the info normally, but it is not like these features are gonna make you the best player all of a sudden. R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 14:00 Cheats are cheats. But HUDs aren't one of them. (upgraded?) HUDs are indirect advantages. Cheats are direct advantages. Basically, a HUD gives you some information but still requires you to compute it into your strategy for playing. A cheat just makes the game easier to play in direct advantage to everyone else (big heads, infinite health, stealth detection, ect.) Whether or not an (upgraded?) HUD is bad or not is up to you. But they should in no way measure up to ACTUAL cheats. ^
R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 21:00 Cheats are cheats. But HUDs aren't one of them. (upgraded?) HUDs are indirect advantages. Cheats are direct advantages. Basically, a HUD gives you some information but still requires you to compute it into your strategy for playing. A cheat just makes the game easier to play in direct advantage to everyone else (big heads, infinite health, stealth detection, ect.) Whether or not an (upgraded?) HUD is bad or not is up to you. But they should in no way measure up to ACTUAL cheats. An advantage == a cheat == a ban. Did you all miss that he was perfectly aware how the moderators felt about it?
I don't get some of this might be me. So if I coin something an 'upgrade' or 'indirect advantage' then I can use it online? And all for that is I have to make it publically downloadable? It's strange that I can just fit about anything in that definition. I can also refuse anything from that definition that I want. I mean I just say I don't look at my mine counter and its an indirect advantage. What if I would apply that to stealth detection? I just don't look at it seems correct and fitting isn't it? Either figure out a strict definition and not some pseudo-science stuff. At least RenForums has done that.
What I meant by the feature was the features are already in the game. !c4 to view the mine counter and P key (mine isn't default) to view the building information. This is basically a shortcut too it, not a cheat.
Headshots are already in the game. Aimbot is a shortcut to them.
So if a feature is available in the game I can use it. Meaning that it was intended to be used? Toggle Spoiler According to this picture I can modify anything to my specifications? (maps,chars,weapons) So in your terms it is a feature. To use the 'flaw' as in the picture does not say I should or can use it online. Yet it's a feature in the game to modify anything to my own specifications? Yet that is where I fill in the 'feature' argument. Wouldn't it be fitting to give havoc a big hat on his head? What I'm aiming at is that sure you can describe the BB not as a cheat. Yet if that has any possibilities in making any other 'cheats' just advantages then there is something wrong with your criterion. You see my argument to use havoc with a big hat and your argument make no sence. Its hard to describe a line so lets run pure servers! Or at least get one central rule.
I don't see why he was banned. If you can gain any of the information in his HUD by pressing a key, what's stopping you displaying that information without pressing a key. If you can show how many mines have been laid, or how much health your building has without point and aim (or pressing a key), why when you show this information all the time does it become a cheat? Plus, he did not link to it, or give any sort of hints on what to google for it. You're left for your own devices. If you really wanted to you could google for "*cheat name removed*" (which is otherwise not filtered as *cheat name removed*) and then google that from here. If you're banning this person for telling you to google for his HUD which shows information all the time (information that you can get as a keypress), then you should ban everyone else who even made a post referring to *cheat name removed*. I vote on the ban being lifted.
R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 21:00 Cheats are cheats. But HUDs aren't one of them. (upgraded?) HUDs are indirect advantages. Cheats are direct advantages. Basically, a HUD gives you some information but still requires you to compute it into your strategy for playing. A cheat just makes the game easier to play in direct advantage to everyone else (big heads, infinite health, stealth detection, ect.) Whether or not an (upgraded?) HUD is bad or not is up to you. But they should in no way measure up to ACTUAL cheats. So ESP isn't an advantage, it's only a hud feature?
Goztow wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 15:50 R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 21:00 Cheats are cheats. But HUDs aren't one of them. (upgraded?) HUDs are indirect advantages. Cheats are direct advantages. Basically, a HUD gives you some information but still requires you to compute it into your strategy for playing. A cheat just makes the game easier to play in direct advantage to everyone else (big heads, infinite health, stealth detection, ect.) Whether or not an (upgraded?) HUD is bad or not is up to you. But they should in no way measure up to ACTUAL cheats. An advantage == a cheat == a ban. Did you all miss that he was perfectly aware how the moderators felt about it? Don't get me wrong. I'm not questioning your judgment. I'm just sick of people putting HUD augmentations on the same level as cheats. They are NOT the same thing and should NOT be treated in the same manner. Whether or not you think HUD mods are bad, they should never compare to an ACTUAL cheat. You shouldn't give someone who just happens to know the mine count for their team an equal 'punishment' as someone who uses flat out game-breaking cheats.
Why did you perma ban him?
Goztow wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 15:26 Headshots are already in the game. Aimbot is a shortcut to them. Ofcourse headshots are already in the game... but it was not where you could just press a button to magically get them. Unlike aimbot giving you them all the time. It takes skill/timing/practice/experience/luck to get them normally. While the info the HUD shows was a simple click away, for everyone. There is a huge difference in shortcutting what was already there and took minimal effort to get... and then shortcutting what was not there and making the whole game minimal effort.
Clark Kent wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 16:48 Goztow wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 15:26 Headshots are already in the game. Aimbot is a shortcut to them. Ofcourse headshots are already in the game... but it was not where you could just press a button to magically get them. Actually, as far as i know, you have to press/hold one key and left/right click on the mouse, no? Also, i find your argument lacking something (goz)
It's not that the information wasn't previously available (although precise beacon and C4 timing isn't) but more that the game is designed (We assume) to make checking the building / team status force you to stand still, preventing you from doing it in the middle of a fight, or out of cover. This means that you need to plan more. TL;DR - HUDs display that info real-time, which is a big advantage compared to the normal non-real-time-updating, make you stand still display.
CarrierII wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 16:20 TL;DR Sorry to ask this but... what does that mean
Zeratul wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 18:25 CarrierII wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 16:20 TL;DR Sorry to ask this but... what does that mean Too long, didn't read.
CarrierII wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 17:20 TL;DR - HUDs display that info real-time, which is a big advantage compared to the normal non-real-time-updating, make you stand still display. This. I can't understand why people can't seem wrap their heads around such a simple concept.
Glock wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 18:51 CarrierII wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 17:20 TL;DR - HUDs display that info real-time, which is a big advantage compared to the normal non-real-time-updating, make you stand still display. This. I can't understand why people can't seem wrap their heads around such a simple concept. Because not everyone uses those 'non-real-time-updating' menues the same way. I for one don't stand still when I use them. It's very easy to use them while moving. All you need to do is flicker the menu. That way it updates faster and doesn't make you have to stand still to read it. It also makes it easier to see what buildings are under attack if there is no announcement given.
meanwhile, 0x90 continues to browse the forums freely and is an accepted member of the community.
^ and you continue to ignore mods irrefutable reasoning as to why that is to my knowledge 0x90 has never posted a cheat or linked to a cheat on these forums and has therefore not broken any rules hence being allowed to remain here, i do not get why that doesnt seem to get rhu to some people anyways
FlaminGunz wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 21:28 irrefutable reasoning
meh i cant see wateva that pic is - aussie internet at uni leaves something to be desired either way you can argue with mods all you want, but you will fail. As you are not right, when your on turf run by smeone else, it doesnt matter if you think you are right, your not. 0x90 hasnt broken any rules, therefore he is not banned. The rules are quite clear and mods have enforeced them right.
GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 19:40 meanwhile, 0x90 continues to browse the forums freely and is an accepted member of the community. you're an idiot; take your logic elsewhere is using a custom reticle that makes it easier to get headshots while sniping the same thing as using aimbot goztow? it's an unfair advantage
FlaminGunz wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 23:58 you can argue with mods all you want, but you will fail. Ever been banned off a server for something you thought was retarded, because a mod was being a power hungry dick? Yeah, ok, let's never try and say "Cool, but that's fucking wrong" because someone is a mod. Great logic, let's NEVER argue against something because someone's a mod. FlaminGunz wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 23:58 As you are not right, when your on turf run by smeone else, it doesnt matter if you think you are right, your not. ...this is the most retarded logic I've ever seen in the history of mankind, hands down. FlaminGunz wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 23:58 0x90 hasnt broken any rules, therefore he is not banned. The rules are quite clear and mods have enforeced them right. If you bothered to read the other topic, you'd see why it's stupid he's allowed to post solely because he's "polite". liquidv2 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 00:44 you're an idiot; take your logic elsewhere :\ by the way, the reason I said that is because you guys gladly overreact to someone posting to a site that has buildingbars, but refuse to ban (and infact, happily welcome) a known cheat maker (as well as someone who has fucked up the competitive side of Renegade entirely). The guy just fucking said "Well, it's pretty stupid that you guys overreact to this kinda stuff" basically and you happily ban him. Let's not forget, removal of PM rights for people suspected of having building bars. I'm more than willing to bet 0x90 has PM rights.
Kimb wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 23:47 Why did you perma ban him? He is not permanently banned but this forum package has no seperate messages for temporary bans. I'm not sure how many of the members who posted in here have played a clanwar or tournament game without BB installed lately. I can tell you that a team I lead would have won 2 RGCT1 games instead of loosing them if a single of our players would have had BB. When 5 arties are pounding your base while you are grouping up meds to destroy them, then a building can be dead within less than 20 seconds. The difference between realtime info and pressing the key is a huge gap. I'd like to see someone fraps how he plays when he's constantly pressing the 'k' button long enough to watch the health of all buildings. If you want the same level of information as BB, then your gameplay will become totally wrecked because you need to keep doing it all the way throughout the game. I don't see why I would consider one cheat to be worse than others. Take radar hack: a very subtle hack that doesn't do direct damage to the enemy. So following the arguments of some people in here (R315r4z0r) it should be considered a feature and not a cheat! I claim the opposite: the more a cheat is subtle (like BB and radar hack), the more it's dangerous to the game! I find BB worse than final renegade because at least final renegade made it very obvious someone was cheating, hence easy to counter. BB are subtle and hypocrite but they are very much a cheat. Also, about the whole google argument: our rules are very clear. This forum fully supports RenGuard along with other anti-cheat solutions. With that said, the posting or advertising of cheats will not be tolerated in any way imaginable. This clearly means that posting or advertising cheats are put on the same level of infraction. I won't even go into the reference to power hungry mods. I think most people who have been here for a while know me as an integer person. I also don't always agree with certain decisions made by the moderator or admin team but I respect them. On the 0x90 case majority decided it seemed smarter to keep contact with 0x90 than to completely reject him. You can compare it to the cold war: there always was a direct telephone line between Russia and the US to communicate when needed. But let's keep that discussion in its own topic, please.
lol zim i dont play places that have shitty mods, i dont get involved so i wouldnt know. also i dont give a shit if he is polite or what not you go about making a point telling me how dumb i am, yet you cannot offer a reason why he should be banned anyone can give a reason, maybe he has a rabbit for a pet, i fukin hate rabits therefore he should be banned he makes cheats and therefore should be banned its not in the rules you retard. I still visit these forums as Gozy does a good job. like i said, i wouldnt be involved here if the mods couldnt do their job. you go about saying he should be banned for NOT breaking the rules, yep thats the best logic ive seen all day congratz
GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 00:54 by the way, the reason I said that is because you guys gladly overreact to someone posting to a site that has buildingbars, but refuse to ban (and infact, happily welcome) a known cheat maker (as well as someone who has fucked up the competitive side of Renegade entirely). Let's not forget, removal of PM rights for people suspected of having building bars. I'm more than willing to bet 0x90 has PM rights. ^this is basically the whole deal. You can't really argue against this. I mean I can even remember some contributing members that had their pm rights revoked and nowdays wont contribute anything anymore. Besides having drama fun that is.
FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 03:15 lol zim i dont play places that have shitty mods, i dont get involved so i wouldnt know. good for you, but the argument still stands FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 03:15 also i dont give a shit if he is polite or what not Right, so if he was rude, you wouldn't care? FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 03:15 you go about making a point telling me how dumb i am, yet you cannot offer a reason why he should be banned Don't recall saying you were dumb (though you definitely seem to be pushing that conclusion yourself), just that you used a ridiculously immature and retarded logic. Also, see the other topic for tons of reasons as to why he should... FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 03:15 anyone can give a reason, maybe he has a rabbit for a pet, i fukin hate rabits therefore he should be banned he makes cheats and therefore should be banned The difference is that no one gives a shit if he has a rabbit since it affects nobody but him making cheats affects a fucking lot of people who try to enjoy this game. "LOL nerd cares about videogames" I'm sure you're going to say, but it does get tiring when your entertainment is ruined by some twat. FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 03:15 its not in the rules you retard. I still visit these forums as Gozy does a good job. like i said, i wouldnt be involved here if the mods couldnt do their job. If everyone always had to follow the rules specifically and exactly, nothing would ever get done FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 03:15 you go about saying he should be banned for NOT breaking the rules, yep thats the best logic ive seen all day ...where did I say that? also, nice, you can use something I said and mimic it. how classy. Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 01:57 I don't see why I would consider one cheat to be worse than others. Take radar hack: a very subtle hack that doesn't do direct damage to the enemy. So following the arguments of some people in here (R315r4z0r) it should be considered a feature and not a cheat! I claim the opposite: the more a cheat is subtle (like BB and radar hack), the more it's dangerous to the game! I find BB worse than final renegade because at least final renegade made it very obvious someone was cheating, hence easy to counter. BB are subtle and hypocrite but they are very much a cheat. The problem is, alot of you guys seem to flip your shit over BB more than anything- if you meant what you said about not considering one cheat to be worse than another, why is it that Building Bars get singled out so much? Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 01:57 I won't even go into the reference to power hungry mods. I think most people who have been here for a while know me as an integer person. The "Power hungry mods" thing wasn't directed at the renforums mod team actually; I meant that there are power hungry mods in Renegade servers that kick people.
i really dont care whether he is rude or polite. Obviosuly if it gets out of hand then sure go ahead and ban him, but the level of rude id tend to say is fairly high here. Not that i care tbh what i was tring to say, is that it doesnt matter how many reasons you throw around... he hasnt broken a rule. If you were to ban him for any of those reasons, youd be banning like retarded ren mods do... for their own reasons. Not the servers rules. not sure if you understand that or not. I mean i completely understand why you want him banned, but what im trying to say is that it doesnt matter. He hasnt broken any rules... And yeah you dont always have to follow rules, but they are there for a reason and if mods choose to enforce them, i think its immature to deny they are right. Its their job to enforce the rules, no matter how stupid YOU thinkt hey are. I personally hate what 0x90 has done to Renegade as i am a mod in a few plavces and have to deal with my fair share of cheaters. So dw im not going to call you out for being a nerd. You may know that im doing a fair bit around Renegade and i do care alot about it. But banning him for renforums, isnto going to solve the problem. His cheats still exist and your banning a person from a forum for really no good reason. "The difference is that no one gives a shit if he has a rabbit since it affects nobody". yes ofc thats true, but it doesnt help you. His cheats have affected renegade, not his precense here (no matter how fleeting that presence is). As i said before, banning him doesnt actually solve anything.. I respect the moderators decision on this case. Thats what i allueded to last post in that wherever i play/forum visit, il respect the mods. Doesnt really matter to this point ofc lol and for the record, i dont give a shit who uses building bars. Go for it. Its an advantage, but not in the class of cheating. If you use it to just help your game out, good for you. If you think someone will beat you because of building bars - maybe its not just that and you should take some rene-lessons. But i didnt see exactly what Raptor posted. If he did break the rules as gozy suggested. Contarry to 0x90 he did specifically break the rules here and should be penalised. gg
Quote: why is it that Building Bars get singled out so much? That would be because it's about the only cheat that people try to post here. Let's also not forget that GoodOnedriver got a permanent ban for posting Nuke and Ion Emitters (allthough he was indeed a recidivist).
Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 11:22 Quote: why is it that Building Bars get singled out so much? That would be because it's about the only cheat that people try to post here. Let's also not forget that GoodOnedriver got a permanent ban for posting Nuke and Ion Emitters (allthough he was indeed a recidivist). Lmao, a perm ban for a player who had no clue wtf he did, a 30 days ban for a HUD with bb's (Let's not forget, scripts makes it possible for everyone to create stuff like that.) and a big "hello welcome to the Renegade Public Forums" to the asshole who killed for hundrets of players the fun for the game because you can't trust anyone anymore. Kinda pervy.
cAmpa wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 11:56 Lmao, a perm ban for a player who had no clue wtf he did He really didn't know that it would be considered a cheat! Honestly, he couldn't have told!
If I was an administrator here, I would remove nerd moderators like Goztow. Always banning for dumb reasons.
Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 12:04 cAmpa wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 11:56 Lmao, a perm ban for a player who had no clue wtf he did He really didn't know that it would be considered a cheat! Honestly, he couldn't have told! He's a big noob, in a big big renworld with crazy skinners. Just take a look at the website you removed in raptors thread. A whole website with kids like him. I hope you don't think one of those kids take a moment to think wtf they are doing. But your friend Mr. *cheat name removed*must known what will happen when he release a fucking cheat like that.
FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 i really dont care whether he is rude or polite. Obviosuly if it gets out of hand then sure go ahead and ban him, but the level of rude id tend to say is fairly high here. Not that i care tbh Right, it's that he should be rude to be unwelcome here- it shouldn't work the other way around, and that him being "polite" means he SHOULD be welcome here. FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 what i was tring to say, is that it doesnt matter how many reasons you throw around... he hasnt broken a rule. If you were to ban him for any of those reasons, youd be banning like retarded ren mods do... for their own reasons. Not the servers rules. not sure if you understand that or not. I understand it perfectly. The thing is, 0x90 is pretty much just being nice so he DOESN'T get banned. It's like a known terrorist acting very nice and polite- that by no means should grant them any form of acceptance if they continue to blow shit up. FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 I mean i completely understand why you want him banned, but what im trying to say is that it doesnt matter. He hasnt broken any rules... Once again, I know he hasn't broken any rules on here. But let's take things into perspective for a moment: 1: Renegade is a small community. Renegade Forums' higher-ups are essentially the higher-ups of the Renegade community altogether (TT people, etc). If we were to unwelcome him from the forums, that's giving him a big "fuck you". 2: He's damaged this game a fucking lot. I know you know this, but I feel it's necessary to point it out alot until people realize he is responsible for the decline of Renegade's competitive community. 3: If the whole community starts to tell him "Fuck you" but he wants to stay here, then he should outright stop making cheats, apologize for the shit he's done. If he doesn't want to be here but continues to shit up the community in spite of the fact that he obviously is welcome, why the fuck should he stay? FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 And yeah you dont always have to follow rules, but they are there for a reason and if mods choose to enforce them, i think its immature to deny they are right. Its their job to enforce the rules, no matter how stupid YOU thinkt hey are. No, see, just because there are rules doesn't mean they're automatically right- what's RIGHT should dictate what makes the rules. Just the same, what's right should dictate what rules there aren't. I'm not so sure allowing- and infact, WELCOMING- known cheaters to be here is the right thing to do in any sense. FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 I personally hate what 0x90 has done to Renegade as i am a mod in a few plavces and have to deal with my fair share of cheaters. So dw im not going to call you out for being a nerd. You may know that im doing a fair bit around Renegade and i do care alot about it. But banning him for renforums, isnto going to solve the problem. His cheats still exist and your banning a person from a forum for really no good reason. That's good to know. And, as I said numerous times, there are plenty of reasons. The only semi-decent argument I've seen to keep 0x90 here is that if we ban him on a "Fuck you" basis, that he might get pissed and make MORE cheats. The thing is, he makes cheats anyways- he has not stopped, and obviously never will. It'd be pretty hopeless if we COULDN'T do anything to stop him, but there is- it's called keeping him out of any form of communication with this community to stop the spread of his cheats, and to make an anti-cheat that he has no involvement with so he can't know how to get around it easily. And maybe, just maybe, he'll feel unwelcome enough to actually say sorry and stop making cheats like a little twat. I'd rather that, than some overly pessimistic view. FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 "The difference is that no one gives a shit if he has a rabbit since it affects nobody". yes ofc thats true, but it doesnt help you. His cheats have affected renegade, not his precense here (no matter how fleeting that presence is). As i said before, banning him doesnt actually solve anything.. But his lack of presence here could affect him, which could affect his cheat making. As I've said before, it's better than keeping him here. FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 I respect the moderators decision on this case. Thats what i allueded to last post in that wherever i play/forum visit, il respect the mods. Doesnt really matter to this point ofc lol Respect is fine, but to never go against someone simply because they enforce the rules is ridiculous, and can never help anything. FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 and for the record, i dont give a shit who uses building bars. Go for it. Its an advantage, but not in the class of cheating. If you use it to just help your game out, good for you. If you think someone will beat you because of building bars - maybe its not just that and you should take some rene-lessons. I semi-agree, but a cheat's a cheat. It's definitely an advantage. FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 But i didnt see exactly what Raptor posted. If he did break the rules as gozy suggested. Contarry to 0x90 he did specifically break the rules here and should be penalised. gg see, here's the thing (and why I'm even making a big deal here) People are getting banned for the whole building bars thing. Even posting a screenshot of it will have your PM rights disabled. It's a little ridiculous, but somewhat understandable- cheats really destroy Renegade, right? And it's best to not have people be welcome here, if they cheat, and it's also good to not give them the ability to spread those cheats. ...yet 0x90, a known cheat maker who is pretty much entirely responsible for the downfall of the competitive Renegade scene, is welcome here, with open arms. "But banning him doesn't get rid of the cheats! It's hopeless!" Banning RSF Raptor won't get rid of his building bars either. If people want it, they can still seek it out. Renegade is such a small community that by now EVERYONE KNOWS about building bars. It's the same fucking thing as banning 0x90, but yet 0x90 is not banned. Not banning him on the grounds that he hasn't explicitly broken any rules is understandable... if he never actually did anything else, that is. He is not an innocent man (and I use the term "man" very lightly) in any sense of the word, and has done nothing but shit up the Renegade community. To not ban him because he hasn't explicitly broken rules despite the fact that he is responsible for ruining a portion of an already small community is... well, it's fucking cowardly. There's no other way to put it- to back down just because "OH NO HE MIGHT MAKE MORE CHEATS" is stupid. He's obviously already putting a ton of effort into cracking anti-cheats, so y'know, I actually would prefer he DID try harder. Make his life that much more fucking miserable, so he focuses his full attention until he snaps. Furthermore, I really have to say that it's hypocritical to keep RSF Raptor banned but keep 0x90 here. I know that people aren't getting banned for just "breaking the rules"- those rules were put in place for a reason. So instead of arguing against the rule, I'll argue against the reason for the existence of the rules. The reasoning to banning people who have building bars (and may distribute them, knowingly or unknowingly) is so that it doesn't get around. Right? Right. Now let's sidetrack for a second here- we all know 0x90 isn't directly releasing his cheats here. But he's obviously releasing them elsewhere, and is infact, the one WORKING on them. And people are obviously still getting ahold of said cheats. Even people who post HERE can very well get them, just through some simple searching. BUT, because 0x90 isn't releasing the cheats HERE, he isn't breaking the rule (just, y'know, directly breaking the whole reason behind the rule- he's distributing the cheats, just not here). Banning him here wouldn't change a thing, etc- he'd still be releasing them. The same exact thing can be said about building bars. Banning them from here won't change a damn thing- they will still get around, they will still be released, and there will still be people intent on releasing them. The only difference between banning people for building bars and banning 0x90 for his twattery is that the former simply release them here. And then we go back to the whole "It's a rule" thing. It's a RULE to not release cheats on here- but why? Why does the rule exist? Simple, because releasing them on here makes it so people have more access to them. Making it a "rule" is simply a way of saying "Hey, dickwad, don't do this shit, we don't like it". But what if someone were to get around those rules, yet still go against the reason as to why that rule exists? What then? Do we allow them to continue, despite the clear fact that they are more damaging than someone who simply breaks the rule? What then? TL;DR: Pick a side, Goztow and co. Ban people who want to distribute cheats, or allow them because banning them doesn't stop the cheating anyways?
I think you're wrong on the exact reason why 0x90 is still here. It's not as much to not piss him off, but rather because some of the anti cheat creators made a deal with him (a few years ago) so he doesn't hack into anti cheat software any longer. In their eyes it's logic that if you do "business" with people (I'm not expressing myself on the nature of this business), you don't ban them from your home, as long as they respect the home rules of course.
Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 06:48 I think you're wrong on the exact reason why 0x90 is still here. It's not as much to not piss him off, but rather because some of the anti cheat creators made a deal with him (a few years ago) so he doesn't hack into anti cheat software any longer. In their eyes it's logic that if you do "business" with people (I'm not expressing myself on the nature of this business), you don't ban them from your home, as long as they respect the home rules of course. I wasn't really aware of this, but then I have to ask- what exactly was this deal, then?
Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 13:48 I think you're wrong on the exact reason why 0x90 is still here. It's not as much to not piss him off, but rather because some of the anti cheat creators made a deal with him (a few years ago) so he doesn't hack into anti cheat software any longer. In their eyes it's logic that if you do "business" with people (I'm not expressing myself on the nature of this business), you don't ban them from your home, as long as they respect the home rules of course. A few years ago? Why is there the new *cheat name removed*then, what allows you to cheat with 3.44 scripts. Well, it was luck that the DirectX in scripts 3. kills the old RGH, but i used it as anticheat to get sure that dude isn't shifting me.
cAmpa wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 14:07 Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 13:48 I think you're wrong on the exact reason why 0x90 is still here. It's not as much to not piss him off, but rather because some of the anti cheat creators made a deal with him (a few years ago) so he doesn't hack into anti cheat software any longer. In their eyes it's logic that if you do "business" with people (I'm not expressing myself on the nature of this business), you don't ban them from your home, as long as they respect the home rules of course. A few years ago? Why is there the new *cheat name removed*then, what allows you to cheat with 3.44 scripts. Well, it was luck that the DirectX in scripts 3. kills the old RGH, but i used it as anticheat to get sure that dude isn't shifting me. The deal was as mentioned before, that 0x90 wouldn't hook into RG anymore. He has kept his side of the bargain, hit's just that the now hooks something else. The advantage of this COULD be that RG would be able to block rgh, IF it would get updated. But thanks to the wrong people disappearing and the RG security packer being fucked, new RG builds couldn't be compiled and distributed.
I'm not 100 % convinced of the value of this deal, but the anti cheat creators seem to be.
Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 07:48 I'm not 100 % convinced of the value of this deal, but the anti cheat creators seem to be. Well, all things considered, I don't think the anti-cheat business is going too well, even with 0x90's "help". To keep with the business deal analogy: Why continue to do business with someone if they keep giving you outdated, broken products, then?
It's actually the anti cheat people that don't keep their part of the "deal", namely keeping their non hacked anti cheat up to date to find cheats. But EWD explained why.
Sir Kane wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 17:19 Quit being an idiot, Goztow. Every line of insults on renforums could have been a line of code for TT .
I read the whole thread but is it possible? No nerdrage comment. I'm feeling uncertain now... something is definitly going wrong here.
DeathLink6.0 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 13:56 I read the whole thread but is it possible? No nerdrage comment. I'm feeling uncertain now... something is definitly going wrong here. well, you might always add "FAG" into somewhere, maybe that would help you?
R315r4z0r is either a troll or a complete idiot because his posts and his dumb attempts at trying to prove some bullshit idea logically are really annoying to read. just think about the following situation and it's pretty easy to see it's a cheat- you're doing a 1v1 with someone and you mine your base with like 15 mines. on your hud's real-time c4 monitor you're going to notice if the proxy mines are going down 1 by 1 which would automatically tell you there's someone in your base disarming your mines to get in a building. you would never have known this without the hud. sir kane is also a total idiot. he spends more time on the forums making fun of newbs, while also spewing out internet memes and nerdy insults like a lifeless robot, than he does on actually making good use of his time and doing some coding. goztow is doing a good job banning people like rsf raptor
Rocko wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 00:11 sir kane is also a total idiot. he spends more time on the forums making fun of newbs, while also spewing out internet memes and nerdy insults like a lifeless robot, than he does on actually making good use of his time and doing some coding. goztow is doing a good job banning people like rsf raptor While I don't agree with SirKane's reactions I must say that he is (fortunately) spending more time on coding than he spends on trolling the forums.
Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 06:48 I think you're wrong on the exact reason why 0x90 is still here. It's not as much to not piss him off, but rather because some of the anti cheat creators made a deal with him (a few years ago) so he doesn't hack into anti cheat software any longer. In their eyes it's logic that if you do "business" with people (I'm not expressing myself on the nature of this business), you don't ban them from your home, as long as they respect the home rules of course. Sorry mate, but that information is out of date. Our good friend 0x90 may not directly hack into anti-cheat programs such as rg/rr anymore. But he releases 'certain things' that allow people too. I'm sure anyone with half a brain knows what I'm talking about ... (moderators anyways) Also, on topic: I have the ideal hud. In public servers that allow buildingbars/minecounters etc, I use it. In cw games/server that don't allow advantage huds I can simply disable it by pressing F5 (for anyone that cares: I use a blue one now lol) http://www.mediafire.com/?jyz2zlziwd2 @Gozy: This is only hud-pics to prove that my hud has the function to disable buildingbars/entirehud/map-overlay etc. If you feel that its inapropiate, you may remove it. I'm interested in what kind of response this'll provoke tho.
Azazel wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 00:41 Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 06:48 I think you're wrong on the exact reason why 0x90 is still here. It's not as much to not piss him off, but rather because some of the anti cheat creators made a deal with him (a few years ago) so he doesn't hack into anti cheat software any longer. In their eyes it's logic that if you do "business" with people (I'm not expressing myself on the nature of this business), you don't ban them from your home, as long as they respect the home rules of course. Sorry mate, but that information is out of date. Our good friend 0x90 may not directly hack into anti-cheat programs such as rg/rr anymore. But he releases 'certain things' that allow people too. I'm sure anyone with half a brain knows what I'm talking about ... (moderators anyways) Also, on topic: I have the ideal hud. In public servers that allow buildingbars/minecounters etc, I use it. In cw games/server that don't allow advantage huds I can simply disable it by pressing F5 (for anyone that cares: I use a blue one now lol) http://www.mediafire.com/?jyz2zlziwd2 @Gozy: This is only hud-pics to prove that my hud has the function to disable buildingbars/entirehud/map-overlay etc. If you feel that its inapropiate, you may remove it. I'm interested in what kind of response this'll provoke tho. Nice, first we had just an aimbot that could hide it selfs, now we have even more cheats that can hide themself. Even coming from people who claim to be anti cheaters. Epic!
Azazel wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 00:41 Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 06:48 I think you're wrong on the exact reason why 0x90 is still here. It's not as much to not piss him off, but rather because some of the anti cheat creators made a deal with him (a few years ago) so he doesn't hack into anti cheat software any longer. In their eyes it's logic that if you do "business" with people (I'm not expressing myself on the nature of this business), you don't ban them from your home, as long as they respect the home rules of course. Sorry mate, but that information is out of date. Our good friend 0x90 may not directly hack into anti-cheat programs such as rg/rr anymore. But he releases 'certain things' that allow people too. I'm sure anyone with half a brain knows what I'm talking about ... (moderators anyways) Also, on topic: I have the ideal hud. In public servers that allow buildingbars/minecounters etc, I use it. In cw games/server that don't allow advantage huds I can simply disable it by pressing F5 (for anyone that cares: I use a blue one now lol) http://www.mediafire.com/?jyz2zlziwd2 @Gozy: This is only hud-pics to prove that my hud has the function to disable buildingbars/entirehud/map-overlay etc. If you feel that its inapropiate, you may remove it. I'm interested in what kind of response this'll provoke tho. Ban inc.
Rocko wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 18:11 ... because his posts ... are really annoying to read. So, with that said, you obviously didn't comprehend (or even read?) what I even said. I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you. But it should not be held on the same level as a cheat. R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 15:00 Whether or not an (upgraded?) HUD is bad or not is up to you. But they should in no way measure up to ACTUAL cheats. R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 17:35 Whether or not you think HUD mods are bad, they should never compare to an ACTUAL cheat. See? I said it twice. With your example, sure it gives you an advantage, that is not what I'm disputing. Even with knowing that the mines are being disarmed, you still have to travel to the location they are being disarmed and fight off your opponent fairly. But with a cheat, you could just like... fire your pistol at the ground and the guy would drop dead... or you could just walk into his base, taking hits from the ob without dying and just destroy everything with infinite C4... They both might give advantages but one FAR OUTWEIGHS the other.
R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 01:42 Rocko wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 18:11 ... because his posts ... are really annoying to read. So, with that said, you obviously didn't comprehend (or even read?) what I even said. I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you. But it should not be held on the same level as a cheat. R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 15:00 Whether or not an (upgraded?) HUD is bad or not is up to you. But they should in no way measure up to ACTUAL cheats. R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 17:35 Whether or not you think HUD mods are bad, they should never compare to an ACTUAL cheat. See? I said it twice. With your example, sure it gives you an advantage, that is not what I'm disputing. Even with knowing that the mines are being disarmed, you still have to travel to the location they are being disarmed and fight off your opponent fairly. But with a cheat, you could just like... fire your pistol at the ground and the guy would drop dead... or you could just walk into his base, taking hits from the ob without dying and just destroy everything with infinite C4... They both might give advantages but one FAR OUTWEIGHS the other. Because you say it's not a cheat doesn't mean it is not a cheat.
R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 18:42 Rocko wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 18:11 ... because his posts ... are really annoying to read. So, with that said, you obviously didn't comprehend (or even read?) what I even said. I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you. But it should not be held on the same level as a cheat. R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 15:00 Whether or not an (upgraded?) HUD is bad or not is up to you. But they should in no way measure up to ACTUAL cheats. R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 17:35 Whether or not you think HUD mods are bad, they should never compare to an ACTUAL cheat. See? I said it twice. With your example, sure it gives you an advantage, that is not what I'm disputing. Even with knowing that the mines are being disarmed, you still have to travel to the location they are being disarmed and fight off your opponent fairly. But with a cheat, you could just like... fire your pistol at the ground and the guy would drop dead... or you could just walk into his base, taking hits from the ob without dying and just destroy everything with infinite C4... They both might give advantages but one FAR OUTWEIGHS the other. You sir have been outtrolled by rocko.
EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 20:15 Because you say it's not a cheat doesn't mean it is not a cheat. Dude. Every single time I read one of your replies to a post of mine, I have to question whether or not you actually understood what I said. Every single time. That's why I usually don't respond to what you say. Please quote where I said it wasn't a cheat. Then I'll dignify you with a response. I need to make sure you actually comprehended what I said.
It's like an advantage skin that went to far. It's border line cheat because of the fact that it saves you the time of pressing a button - like certain cheats do as well. It's just not nearly as "bad" as using an aimbot, because, well, all it does is show you building health, which "K" does anyhow. I used it for a while to see how much of an advantage it really is - and, well, it isn't nearly as big an advantage as some of you make it seem. I'm against using it, but honestly, I don't care if someone i am playing against has it or not. What a lot of people overlook is the hud's with the c4 limit - isn't this in essence the same thing? Yet no one really argues that point....it saves you from pressing a button, or typing something out...am i missing how this is different? There are loads of download-able huds out there, and I believe on this site as well, that include the c4 limit tool. Now, temp banning someone for giving a hint to a building bar site, when this site in itself does -somewhat- the same thing is....disturbing to me. Now, I haven't actually looked, and am relying on my memory, but doesn't Deathlink 6.0 or w/e's GPS Hud include this c4 feature? Seems a bit like some people are just being plain old hypocrite's here....Take a 2v2 clanwar on islands for example, isn't it an advantage to know EXACTLY when someone is coming in your mined tunnels, rather than just the next time you look? It's the same thing as the building bar discusion, just that the c4 hud was introduced more professionally, and therefore is looked upon as a "helping tool" over an "advantage". Everyone who freaks out about building bars most likely doesn't really understand that they are doing the same thing as the c4 feature...Now, don't get me wrong, that doesn't excuse people's actions for releasing links to building bars, because it has been warned upon many times....but based on the cheat policy in Goz's first post....I really don't see the need for a ban...maybe a deletion of the link and a pm warning at most.
Well,hopefully TT will block these silly HUDs and we can lay this shit to rest.
R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 19:42 I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you. Quoted for awesome. I'm not really contributing to this topic, sorry!
T0RN wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 18:31 Well,hopefully TT will block these silly HUDs and we can lay this shit to rest. I vote TT gives everyone a version of these silly HUDs.
Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 01:57 When 5 arties are pounding your base while you are grouping up meds to destroy them, then a building can be dead within less than 20 seconds. The difference between realtime info and pressing the key is a huge gap. I'd like to see someone fraps how he plays when he's constantly pressing the 'k' button long enough to watch the health of all buildings. If you want the same level of information as BB, then your gameplay will become totally wrecked because you need to keep doing it all the way throughout the game. This is the entire argument against buildings bars in a nutshell. If someone cannot understand this as well-decribed by Goztow, then they obviously are suffering from TAP syndrome.
Tunaman wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 20:40 R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 19:42 I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you. Quoted for awesome. I'm not really contributing to this topic, sorry! yeah, R315r4z0r said everyone has their own opinion, what a neat and surprisingly obvious idea that i never realized! by the way the ocean looks blue, how crazy is that?
If this is a cheat, textures that make infantry really bright are certainly, too.
Sir Kane wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 11:55 If this is a cheat, textures that make infantry really bright are certainly, too. They are IMHO.
Rocko wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 03:12 Tunaman wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 20:40 R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 19:42 I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you. Quoted for awesome. I'm not really contributing to this topic, sorry! yeah, R315r4z0r said everyone has their own opinion, what a neat and surprisingly obvious idea that i never realized! by the way the ocean looks blue, how crazy is that? damn i am bad at reading comprehension, I swore that said said "is not up to you" when I read that
Tunaman wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 05:53 Rocko wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 03:12 Tunaman wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 20:40 R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 19:42 I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you. Quoted for awesome. I'm not really contributing to this topic, sorry! yeah, R315r4z0r said everyone has their own opinion, what a neat and surprisingly obvious idea that i never realized! by the way the ocean looks blue, how crazy is that? damn i am bad at reading comprehension, I swore that said said "is not up to you" when I read that the guy in your signature looks like he knows about reading comprehension though!
Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 09:13 Tunaman wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 05:53 Rocko wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 03:12 Tunaman wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 20:40 R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 19:42 I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you. Quoted for awesome. I'm not really contributing to this topic, sorry! yeah, R315r4z0r said everyone has their own opinion, what a neat and surprisingly obvious idea that i never realized! by the way the ocean looks blue, how crazy is that? damn i am bad at reading comprehension, I swore that said said "is not up to you" when I read that the guy in your signature looks like he knows about reading comprehension though! seriously I mean, he's wearing fucking glasses that automatically makes you smart unless you're dover
[quote title=EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 18:01] Azazel wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 00:41 Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 06:48 I think you're wrong on the exact reason why 0x90 is still here. It's not as much to not piss him off, but rather because some of the anti cheat creators made a deal with him (a few years ago) so he doesn't hack into anti cheat software any longer. In their eyes it's logic that if you do "business" with people (I'm not expressing myself on the nature of this business), you don't ban them from your home, as long as they respect the home rules of course. Sorry mate, but that information is out of date. Our good friend 0x90 may not directly hack into anti-cheat programs such as rg/rr anymore. But he releases 'certain things' that allow people too. I'm sure anyone with half a brain knows what I'm talking about ... (moderators anyways) Also, on topic: I have the ideal hud. In public servers that allow buildingbars/minecounters etc, I use it. In cw games/server that don't allow advantage huds I can simply disable it by pressing F5 (for anyone that cares: I use a blue one now lol) http://www.mediafire.com/?jyz2zlziwd2 @Gozy: This is only hud-pics to prove that my hud has the function to disable buildingbars/entirehud/map-overlay etc. If you feel that its inapropiate, you may remove it. I'm interested in what kind of response this'll provoke tho. EvilCheatSupportor Nice, first we had just an aimbot that could hide it selfs, now we have even more cheats that can hide themself. Even coming from people who claim to be anti cheaters. Epic! LOL The way I see it, I'm keeping everyone happy. Some server's allow this modded hud and some do not. Everywhere dis-allows cheating, so bad analogy. Also, I find it highly amusing that in this topic your against aimbots - yet you back 0x90 up, if you've forgotted, he's the guy that created the aimbot in the fucking first place. Also, don't give me bs that you've made biatch with an anti-aimbot function, because your great friend bypassed that as well.
Azazel wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 18:56 Azazel wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 00:41 Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 06:48 I think you're wrong on the exact reason why 0x90 is still here. It's not as much to not piss him off, but rather because some of the anti cheat creators made a deal with him (a few years ago) so he doesn't hack into anti cheat software any longer. In their eyes it's logic that if you do "business" with people (I'm not expressing myself on the nature of this business), you don't ban them from your home, as long as they respect the home rules of course. Sorry mate, but that information is out of date. Our good friend 0x90 may not directly hack into anti-cheat programs such as rg/rr anymore. But he releases 'certain things' that allow people too. I'm sure anyone with half a brain knows what I'm talking about ... (moderators anyways) Also, on topic: I have the ideal hud. In public servers that allow buildingbars/minecounters etc, I use it. In cw games/server that don't allow advantage huds I can simply disable it by pressing F5 (for anyone that cares: I use a blue one now lol) http://www.mediafire.com/?jyz2zlziwd2 @Gozy: This is only hud-pics to prove that my hud has the function to disable buildingbars/entirehud/map-overlay etc. If you feel that its inapropiate, you may remove it. I'm interested in what kind of response this'll provoke tho. EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 18:01 Nice, first we had just an aimbot that could hide it selfs, now we have even more cheats that can hide themself. Even coming from people who claim to be anti cheaters. Epic! LOL The way I see it, I'm keeping everyone happy. Some server's allow this modded hud and some do not. Everywhere dis-allows cheating, so bad analogy. Also, I find it highly amusing that in this topic your against aimbots - yet you back 0x90 up, if you've forgotted, he's the guy that created the aimbot in the fucking first place. Also, don't give me bs that you've made biatch with an anti-aimbot function, because your great friend bypassed that as well. I always said I hate people using aimbot. Have had to ban some respected BI members for that. But that doesn't mean I can't like 0x90 as a person. The person that uses the cheat is more evil than the one that creates it. Hell, otherwise StealthEye would be the most badass person around, he made some horrible PoC's. But by creating them, he also gained the knowledge how to block them. 0x90 has the same for the cheats he creates. Therefore it saves us time if we can get him to tell us what he uses in his cheats. When we ban him, having contact becomes a lot harder. Thus isn't beneficial to us (TT-team) in any way and to that extend, not to RenegadeForums/the Renegade community.
Tunaman wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 05:53 Rocko wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 03:12 Tunaman wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 20:40 R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 19:42 I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you. Quoted for awesome. I'm not really contributing to this topic, sorry! yeah, R315r4z0r said everyone has their own opinion, what a neat and surprisingly obvious idea that i never realized! by the way the ocean looks blue, how crazy is that? damn i am bad at reading comprehension, I swore that said said "is not up to you" when I read that he's saying that we all have opinions, just that they don't matter and aren't deciding factors. but it's just another dumb statement by R393158z0arz(add some more obnoxious e-spelling) who's trying his hardest to minimize the fact that the HUD upgrade is a cheat. it certainly pales in comparison when compared to something like an aimbot but it's still an unfair advantage over other players and it can easily be defined as a cheat, no matter how small of an advantage it is. I think it's funny that silentkane mentions bright skins which are obviously advantages as well. I mean, just imagine any other game like CSS or call of duty 4. VAC blocks textures on those games because being able to notice a player from far away almost instantly, as opposed to having to actually look more carefully for them, is a big advantage. huds and bright skins shouldn't be bannable, but they also shouldn't be allowed. they don't belong in the game but many people tend to overlook them for whatever reason. This is taking the game serious as shit but i don't think anyone can deny that upgraded huds and skins are an advantage over other players. i'm not the only one who can see the advantage of having your proxy count instantly available on the hud, while also walking through the tunnels and noticing a little spongebob c4 sticking in the wall and a bright green sniper to the side of the screen.
Rocko wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 01:36 Tunaman wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 05:53 Rocko wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 03:12 Tunaman wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 20:40 R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 19:42 I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you. Quoted for awesome. I'm not really contributing to this topic, sorry! yeah, R315r4z0r said everyone has their own opinion, what a neat and surprisingly obvious idea that i never realized! by the way the ocean looks blue, how crazy is that? damn i am bad at reading comprehension, I swore that said said "is not up to you" when I read that he's saying that we all have opinions, just that they don't matter and aren't deciding factors. but it's just another dumb statement by R393158z0arz(add some more obnoxious e-spelling) who's trying his hardest to minimize the fact that the HUD upgrade is a cheat. it certainly pales in comparison when compared to something like an aimbot but it's still an unfair advantage over other players and it can easily be defined as a cheat, no matter how small of an advantage it is. I think it's funny that silentkane mentions bright skins which are obviously advantages as well. I mean, just imagine any other game like CSS or call of duty 4. VAC blocks textures on those games because being able to notice a player from far away almost instantly, as opposed to having to actually look more carefully for them, is a big advantage. huds and bright skins shouldn't be bannable, but they also shouldn't be allowed. they don't belong in the game but many people tend to overlook them for whatever reason. This is taking the game serious as shit but i don't think anyone can deny that upgraded huds and skins are an advantage over other players. i'm not the only one who can see the advantage of having your proxy count instantly available on the hud, while also walking through the tunnels and noticing a little spongebob c4 sticking in the wall and a bright green sniper to the side of the screen. I think that if those "features" wouldn't be included in HUDs, that HUDs would be way less popular. Also, normally you want your hud to be as clean as possible (= most viewing area). You only want information that is directly and IMMEADIATELY useful for you. This means that one would not make HUDs with these "features" is they wouldn't be so useful, because it would just be a waste of valuable space.
Quote: I think that if those "features" wouldn't be included in HUDs, that HUDs would be way less popular. Also, normally you want your hud to be as clean as possible (= most viewing area). You only want information that is directly and IMMEADIATELY useful for you. This means that one would not make HUDs with these "features" is they wouldn't be so useful, because it would just be a waste of valuable space. Despends on the design, the right size of every element an so on. It is not hard to add these elements without wasting too much space. These features - especially the buildingbars, minecounter and distancenumber at crosshair - would be a very nice addition to Renegades HUD. Renegade is not just a damn deathmatch shooter where you just need the most important information about your own status. You also need information about your team AND your base (the base is still the most important features which seperates CCR from other MP shooters). The way you can access them in vanilla Renegade are just stupid/retarded. You can't do anything while looking at the building status or the team status. Another option would be to implement these elements like a scorelist: You still have to press a button to access it BUT you can move and shot while watching it. Or you do this as toggleable HUD element like Renegades scorelist. Pressing the button adds these features as HUD element. Hiting the button again makes them disappear. This would be two very nice compromises.
DeathLink6.0 wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 16:32 Quote: I think that if those "features" wouldn't be included in HUDs, that HUDs would be way less popular. Also, normally you want your hud to be as clean as possible (= most viewing area). You only want information that is directly and IMMEADIATELY useful for you. This means that one would not make HUDs with these "features" is they wouldn't be so useful, because it would just be a waste of valuable space. Despends on the design, the right size of every element an so on. It is not hard to add these elements without wasting too much space. These features - especially the buildingbars, minecounter and distancenumber at crosshair - would be a very nice addition to Renegades HUD. Renegade is not just a damn deathmatch shooter where you just need the most important information about your own status. You also need information about your team AND your base (the base is still the most important features which seperates CCR from other MP shooters). The way you can access them in vanilla Renegade are just stupid/retarded. You can't do anything while looking at the building status or the team status. Another option would be to implement these elements like a scorelist: You still have to press a button to access it BUT you can move and shot while watching it. Or you do this as toggleable HUD element like Renegades scorelist. Pressing the button adds these features as HUD element. Hiting the button again makes them disappear. This would be two very nice compromises. The problem is that as it stands, the information is only available to some clients, and not others, thus creating an unfair advantage in favour of whomever has it.
CarrierII wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 11:19 The problem is that as it stands, the information is only available to some clients, and not others, thus creating an unfair advantage in favour of whomever has it. True but I was talking about these features in general independent of the sitution around because sometimes I think some players are against these features at all because they think it would change gameplay too much or something like this. Btw the TT patch would a be a chance to solve this problem.
DeathLink, by adding these "features" you make the game easier for the defending side, which IMO is a bad thing. Easier defense = longer games and more camping = less interesting games. In smaller games you rapidly need to make choices between attacking and defending. Putting all on med tanks leaves you open for that single stank or techie sneaking in. But if you have more info on your hud, then those stank / tech has less chance succeeding. So in the end the rather limited amount of strategies in this game will be even more limited because the chance of success for some of them will be reduced. If the server oculd configure which options are shown, this would be different. Take it like COD and BF's softcore vs hardcore. Letting the server owner decide and letting all be on an equal level of info would be fair. Also R3xxxxxxxx : you simply ignored my argument about radar hack, so it seems. Nice one there!
Goztow wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 14:28 DeathLink, by adding these "features" you make the game easier for the defending side, which IMO is a bad thing. Easier defense = longer games and more camping = less interesting games. In smaller games you rapidly need to make choices between attacking and defending. Putting all on med tanks leaves you open for that single stank or techie sneaking in. But if you have more info on your hud, then those stank / tech has less chance succeeding. So in the end the rather limited amount of strategies in this game will be even more limited because the chance of success for some of them will be reduced. Agreed but only in relation to the minecounter feature. Otherwise no. The BB feature already exists (+ you have EVA message feedback) but it's not very useful that way. My intention was to setup especially this BB feature in an appropriate way. You also have think the other way round: It makes it also easier for the attacking side and in my opinion equally. The decision if you go back or not in smaller games is also not affected in my eyes. If not give me an convincing example situation which happens often and not a constructed scenario which happens only once in 10 small games.
Everyone having building bars would still cause some problems IMO, but I guess it does open up some more opportunities for strategy and such. Mine counter, though, is utter bullshit.
Everyone having building bars should decrease the number of radio spamming throughout Renegade you would think....no need to spam attack this building! If all others can see it's health at the same time. Though, I'm sure everyone would continue to do it more as well, now being able to see every buildings health as it decreases..
Goztow wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 14:50 An advantage == a cheat == a ban. If you have one of those Logitech G15 keyboards, you could set one of the macros to move side to side really quickly (much faster than humanly possible), making it much difficult to hit you with a sniper rifle or what have you. It's an advantage, but is it a cheat? EDIT: Random bracket got in there somehow
Ethenal wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 18:28 Goztow wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 14:50 An advantage == a cheat == a ban. If you have one of those Logitech G15 keyboards, you could set one of the macros to move side to side really quickly (much faster than humanly possible), making it much difficult to hit you with a sniper rifle or what have you. It's an advantage, but is it a cheat? EDIT: Random bracket got in there somehow Same for C4 spam. Also I hear you may be able to get some of them to display the same info in the "cheat" HUDs.
Dover wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 18:56 This thread is awful. noU
Anyone ever wondered why you don't get EVA messages for every building that's under attack?
DeathLink6.0 wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 17:32 Quote: I think that if those "features" wouldn't be included in HUDs, that HUDs would be way less popular. Also, normally you want your hud to be as clean as possible (= most viewing area). You only want information that is directly and IMMEADIATELY useful for you. This means that one would not make HUDs with these "features" is they wouldn't be so useful, because it would just be a waste of valuable space. Despends on the design, the right size of every element an so on. It is not hard to add these elements without wasting too much space. These features - especially the buildingbars, minecounter and distancenumber at crosshair - would be a very nice addition to Renegades HUD. Renegade is not just a damn deathmatch shooter where you just need the most important information about your own status. You also need information about your team AND your base (the base is still the most important features which seperates CCR from other MP shooters). The way you can access them in vanilla Renegade are just stupid/retarded. You can't do anything while looking at the building status or the team status. Another option would be to implement these elements like a scorelist: You still have to press a button to access it BUT you can move and shot while watching it. Or you do this as toggleable HUD element like Renegades scorelist. Pressing the button adds these features as HUD element. Hiting the button again makes them disappear. This would be two very nice compromises. You just proved my point, they are very handy features to have. The downside of them are (I think) that it makes defending too easy (presuming everyone has them). It would be impossible to sneak in somewhere. Hell you wouldn't even need to lay down 5 mines per entrace anymore, as you'll directly notices when someons attempts to move in.
EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 07:25 You just proved my point, they are very handy features to have. The downside of them are (I think) that it makes defending too easy (presuming everyone has them). It would be impossible to sneak in somewhere. Hell you wouldn't even need to lay down 5 mines per entrace anymore, as you'll directly notices when someons attempts to move in. As answer I just quote myself. Quote: Agreed but only in relation to the minecounter feature. Otherwise no. Quote: Anyone ever wondered why you don't get EVA messages for every building that's under attack? Yea and my answer is: EVA would spam messages for every little bullet and that would be annoying for players to hear every half second such a message. This is the one and only reason and not because covering sneaking techis. I'm totally NOT convinced that BB would change the gameplay in a negative way.