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Jus wondering ..
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description: Why the fuck is 0x90 allowed to post here and why isn't he banned? Am I missing something here or what... For example, good-one-driver posts a skin that shows the location of nukes and recieves a perm ban. Yet 0x90 the creator of *cheat name removed*one of the most dangerous cheats known to rene and he's not banned here? Seriously someone needs there head examining.
creator: Sean
date: 2010-05-11T06:33:15-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: He never released any cheats on renforums. Renforums is a place for the entire community. There's a few rules you need to respect, that's all. If we had to ban all who ever cheated or ever created a cheat (obj3cts and such) then I don't think there would be many members left here (sad fact).
creator: Goztow
date: 2010-05-11T07:00:10-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: I say NOPE. He may have indeed made *cheat name removed* but he didnt violate the renforums rules here afaik.
creator: Omar007
date: 2010-05-11T10:10:44-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: We had this discussion years ago. You can also sift through all of 0x90's posts for similar stuff.
creator: havoc9826
date: 2010-05-11T15:58:10-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: goztow wrote on Tue, 11 May 2010 02:00 He never released any cheats on renforums. Renforums is a place for the entire community. There's a few rules you need to respect, that's all. If we had to ban all who ever cheated or ever created a cheat (obj3cts and such) then I don't think there would be many members left here (sad fact). ^ Afaik there is a certain someone on the TT team that has created cheats of sorts before... Not naming names or trying to start anything, just stating what I have heard as a example.
creator: Clark Kent
date: 2010-05-11T16:13:38-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Azazel wrote on Tue, 11 May 2010 02:33 Why the fuck is 0x90 allowed to post here and why isn't he banned? Am I missing something here or what... For example, good-one-driver posts a skin that shows the location of nukes and recieves a perm ban. Yet 0x90 the creator of *cheat name removed*one of the most dangerous cheats known to rene and he's not banned here? Seriously someone needs there head examining. You can't cheat on a forum. He cheats in Renegade but you can't carry that over to the forums. Unless he breaks a forum rule there is no reason for him to get banned.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-05-11T16:56:20-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: *cough* Kane..... *cough*
creator: Caveman
date: 2010-05-11T17:28:07-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: goztow wrote on Tue, 11 May 2010 08:00 He never released any cheats on renforums. Renforums is a place for the entire community. There's a few rules you need to respect, that's all. If we had to ban all who ever cheated or ever created a cheat (obj3cts and such) then I don't think there would be many members left here (sad fact). Sigworthy, now who do I remove..
creator: Hex
date: 2010-05-11T19:07:29-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Think you should ban retards who start polls like these...
creator: F1r3st0rm
date: 2010-05-11T19:38:44-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: havoc9826 wrote on Tue, 11 May 2010 10:58 We had this discussion years ago. You can also sift through all of 0x90's posts for similar stuff. Ty for finding this. As spoony, ironwarrior flood3d and a few other players stated. Why would we want a cheater talking to us, when he makes our renegade experiance hell by creating cheats.. I strongly agree with Spoony on the point that if we did ban him then it'd show that we actually do care and are setting an example that we hate all cheaters.. To respond to Blazer's posts in the older thread: Why the hell would u want his help with anything, TT wouldn't even be needed if faggots like 0x90 wasn't making cheats. I understand that Crimson has spent a hell of alot on Renegade and she clearly does care about the community, but I fail to see how having 0x90 on the forums is in any way beneficial, so what if he helped with a few RG problems. We wouldn't even need to use RG if faggots like him didn't create cheats for the game we love so much..*sighs*
creator: Sean
date: 2010-05-11T19:39:36-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: If 0x90 didn't create the cheat, I'm almost positive somebody else would have made one eventually. If a game has multiplayer, there are bound to be hacks made at some point in time. I'm not supporting cheats or anything, but to stress over it, unless you can do something to change it is rather pointless, in my opinion. And by what Blazer meant by 'talking to 0x90 and finding vulnerabilities in RG' is that to him, 0x90 seemed to want to help create a better anti-cheat solution, and someone also suggested that 0x90 just wanted a challenge due to the fact that he rarely, if at all, played Renegade.
creator: slosha
date: 2010-05-12T04:39:39-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: This is true. We got rid of that other kiddy, cyberpunk or smth like that, and got 0x90 in its place. Looking back at it, I prefered dealing with cyberpunk's stuff. Though it was good fun to see him leave the online community that suddenly .
creator: Goztow
date: 2010-05-12T06:58:07-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: hi all, like already mentioned, we had this discussion (more than once) already and tbh i really dont get the point (and it seems like most of the other people here dont get it either, looking at the current poll...). if the majority really wants me to leave you wont even have to ban me, i'd leave voluntarily. but what good would that do? would it prevent me from coding more renegade stuff ("cheats")? would it prevent me reading whats going on in this forum anonymously or just creating a new, anonymous fake-account, pretending being someone else? i guess the answer to all of those questions is "no". i never broke any forum rules nor do i intend to break some in the future. in fact, when i was posting anything here at all i always tried to be as polite, objective and helpful as possible and the people who actually took the time to talk to me - and are not just flaming - should know that already. but then again, i dont really know why im arguing with a bunch of hateboys over the internet at all. pretty sure the answer to this will be something like "ololo nice speehc, fkcu you, u made chets!!11111elevenone" regards, 0x90
creator: 0x90
date: 2010-05-12T21:18:39-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: It does not matter if you ban him... it will not stop him from making such things... and also it will not change what happened... and from reading his posts i have found nothing against the rules. i see no justified reasoning to ban him
creator: zeratul
date: 2010-05-12T22:03:37-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: 0x90 wrote on Wed, 12 May 2010 22:18 if the majority really wants me to leave you wont even have to ban me, i'd leave voluntarily. I put it to you that the majority doesn't want you doing anything further to fuck this game up. So, voluntarily leave this game and everything related to it and don't come back. Thanks. Or, if you want a 'coding challenge', then I don't know why you wanna make cheats... lots of idiots have done that. Make a really good anti-cheat instead, or maybe you don't have the skill? 0x90 wrote on Wed, 12 May 2010 22:18 in fact, when i was posting anything here at all i always tried to be as polite, objective and helpful as possible and the people who actually took the time to talk to me - and are not just flaming - should know that already. doesn't mean you aren't pondlife, just means you're two-faced dishonest pondlife.
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-12T23:40:46-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Spoony wrote on Wed, 12 May 2010 18:40 0x90 wrote on Wed, 12 May 2010 22:18 if the majority really wants me to leave you wont even have to ban me, i'd leave voluntarily. I put it to you that the majority doesn't want you doing anything further to fuck this game up. So, voluntarily leave this game and everything related to it and don't come back. Thanks. Or, if you want a 'coding challenge', then I don't know why you wanna make cheats... lots of idiots have done that. Make a really good anti-cheat instead, or maybe you don't have the skill? 0x90 wrote on Wed, 12 May 2010 22:18 in fact, when i was posting anything here at all i always tried to be as polite, objective and helpful as possible and the people who actually took the time to talk to me - and are not just flaming - should know that already. doesn't mean you aren't pondlife, just means you're two-faced dishonest pondlife. Quoted for truth. I thought you had an arrangement with BHS not to make any more cheats for renegade anyways 0x90? Seams that went out the window with the latest cheat available .. Kindly leave this game and never fucking come back. Also as Gozy said most people on this forum nowadays have cheated at some point, probably why there's 18 'nopes' cough cheaters/fools cough
creator: Sean
date: 2010-05-13T01:50:46-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Azazel wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 03:50 Quoted for truth. I thought you had an arrangement with BHS not to make any more cheats for renegade anyways 0x90? Seams that went out the window with the latest cheat available .. Kindly leave this game and never fucking come back. Also as Gozy said most people on this forum nowadays have cheated at some point, probably why there's 18 'nopes' cough cheaters/fools cough if you would just read my stuff.... yes i HAVE an agreement to NOT release any AC-HACK related anymore. i still dont get why you're all just that RAGEd 0x90
creator: 0x90
date: 2010-05-13T02:59:30-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: ITT: 0x90 Trolls people just by being here... lols. He is not even trying, and people are so angry.
creator: Clark Kent
date: 2010-05-13T03:18:59-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: The reason people are angry at you is smth you'll never understand because you never experienced Renegade like we hav. The reason: we care, bar that, love this game and its community. That'swhy we invest much time and money into it. Your cheats make us waste time that could go to productive things.
creator: Goztow
date: 2010-05-13T08:28:46-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Clark Kent wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 05:18 ITT: 0x90 Trolls people just by being here... lols. He is not even trying, and people are so angry. hehe yes, and i still _really_ dont get it... perhaps the haters are just rentarded!11:P but then again 'arguing over the internet is like running the special olympics'... just remember kids: " *cheat name removed*doesn't cheat ren, cheaters do". 0x90
creator: 0x90
date: 2010-05-13T08:33:13-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Please keep it decent.
creator: Goztow
date: 2010-05-13T09:51:32-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: 0x90 wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 03:33 Clark Kent wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 05:18 ITT: 0x90 Trolls people just by being here... lols. He is not even trying, and people are so angry. hehe yes, and i still _really_ dont get it... perhaps the haters are just rentarded!11:P but then again 'arguing over the internet is like running the special olympics'... just remember kids: " *cheat name removed*doesn't cheat ren, cheaters do". 0x90 Go fuck yourself. Yeah, we're so retarded because we care about this game/community while all you care about is keeping you script kiddie friends happy. @Clark I have every right to be angry, you clearly don't play rene or you'd care.. I jus love sitting ingame frapsing someone because people suspect them, because after all I could be doing better things like playing..
creator: Sean
date: 2010-05-13T11:30:43-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Why use proxies, 0x90? Don't trust the RF admins and mods?
creator: Goztow
date: 2010-05-13T11:36:37-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: 0x90 wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 03:33 hehe yes, and i still _really_ dont get it... perhaps the haters are just rentarded!11:P but then again 'arguing over the internet is like running the special olympics'... k, what's worse: spending as much time of your life trying to fuck up a computer game you don't even play, or someone who likes the game telling you what a mean lady you are? idiot. Quote: just remember kids: " *cheat name removed*doesn't cheat ren, cheaters do". that's the kind of neanderthal-level logic i would expect from you, frankly. Quote: if you would just read my stuff.... yes i HAVE an agreement to NOT release any AC-HACK related anymore. and yet you just said you were gonna carry on working on cheats and making them harder to detect... nice that you dodged my post, maybe the truth hurts too much, eh? obviously you know you don't have anywhere near enough coding skill to take up a real challenge, like making a really good anti-cheat. and this realisation is clearly hitting you pretty hard, which is why you're trying to deflect the argument onto everyone who (quite rightly) thinks you're a vacuous twat.
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-13T11:55:08-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: To be fair, he could. I've seen a bit of his code, and from what I can gather, he codes for a living. It's infact this monoty of tidy code that I think he likes to escape by writing hacks and messy code. I also believe he see's what he does as not too much of a big deal, as after-all, it's "lol, internet", and because it's fun to do the naughty things in life. I don't get it either...
creator: reborn
date: 2010-05-13T12:13:03-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: I'm going to stop running servers and start coding cheats, thats all you need for Reborns respect!
creator: Hex
date: 2010-05-13T12:17:23-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Funny thing is, he does have a slight point. Yes making cheats is bad. But the people who want to use them to make themselves look better are just as bad.
creator: Tiesto
date: 2010-05-13T12:26:30-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Hex wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 08:17 I'm going to stop running servers and start coding cheats, thats all you need for Reborns respect! I have a hard time telling if someone is trolling me or not, it's like a social ineptness on my part, but for the internet. Was that a troll attempt?
creator: reborn
date: 2010-05-13T12:37:28-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Damn, I'm a failed troll :/
creator: Hex
date: 2010-05-13T12:40:22-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: I imagine a certain post of mine is in one of the previous topics that were linked to. Goztow is right, the issue is that we care for the game and the community, and the cheats 0x90 produces ruin it. Quote: " *cheat name removed*doesn't cheat ren, cheaters do" Yes, but they'd have a harder time doing it if the program didn't exist. If all the ingame moderators had to contend with was big-head and other BIATCH detectable stuff, we'd have it easy with banning cheaters. You might not have cheated in a game yourself, but writing a program that lets others do it doesn't help. You've clearly (by self-admission, you don't play!) never had a game ruined by your own program, so I don't think you're in a position to make such silly statements about who is to blame. You've (indirectly, but this is not a defense) ruined hundreds (or more) games; that is, people's leisure time, time set aside form work/school/whatever for enjoying themselves has been ruined by you.
creator: CarrierII
date: 2010-05-13T12:46:31-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: reborn wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 15:13 To be fair, he could. I've seen a bit of his code, and from what I can gather, he codes for a living. It's infact this monoty of tidy code that I think he likes to escape by writing hacks and messy code. some sort of social life might be a better way of escaping that monotony?
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-13T13:03:34-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning the behaviour, I don't even understand it. However, from what I have seen, he would be capable or creating an anti cheat program.
creator: reborn
date: 2010-05-13T13:13:57-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: ...which would -a- be a bit more productive, -b- not result in quite so many people thinking he's a loser (which clearly hits him pretty hard, whether he can admit it to himself or not) and -c- would be more of a challenge
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-13T13:58:57-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Azazel wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 06:30 Yeah, we're so retarded because we care about this game/community while all youcare about is keeping you script kiddie friends happy. @Clark I have every right to be angry, you clearly don't play rene or you'd care.. There is caring for the game, then there is freaking out at the sight of a name on a forum. In response to the second part: LOL.
creator: Clark Kent
date: 2010-05-13T14:39:01-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: The first step in fighting back an illness is to first acquire the illness yourself. Then you're able to build up antibodies to combat that illness so it never happens to you again. I say the more cheats the better. The longer you try to stop cheaters 'in their prime' the longer you have to deal with actual cheating in the game. But if you let cheaters make their cheats, it's much easier to then counteract those cheats and flat out deny them. That makes the cheater have to go right back to the drawing board if they want to cheat again. Personally, I have not encountered a cheater in over a year. Cheating has decreased dramatically from what it once was. This is because of all the cheats that are made, most have met their anti-cheat counterpart. The more counters for different cheats there are, the less options cheaters have to work with. That's why it is the smarter move to let the cheaters make their cheats before you attempt to stop them. It is absolutely pointless to get angry at them and/or confront them. It may be you right to get angry at them, but, honestly, why would you want to? It's like saying "I have every right to argue abortion to this brick wall!"
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-05-13T16:21:47-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 12:21 Personally, I have not encountered a cheater in over a year. I agree with everything else you said besides this, but you said personally so it's all good. I have seen quite a few cheaters in the last month alone, but they have all been pretty obvious and taken care of in a short amount of time. At least most of them have, I guess there could be some that have gotten good at controling themselves and keeping it under the radar. Not everyone that downloads cheats is dumb enough to get MVP with the right mouse click and a pistol... lols.
creator: Clark Kent
date: 2010-05-13T16:32:52-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: if you only knew how much damage undetectable cheats have done to renegade clan gaming over the years.
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-13T16:57:58-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 12:57 if you only knew how much damage undetectable cheats have done to renegade clan gaming over the years. And if I did? What difference would it make? How would you kicking cheaters from the forum benefit your clanwar experiences? How would it diminish the amount of cheaters who plague Renegade? If you want to deal with cheaters, then deal with them. Don't take pointless steps that accomplish nothing for anyone.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-05-13T17:08:08-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: I'm indifferent to 0x90's presence here
creator: masterkna
date: 2010-05-13T17:21:08-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 12:08 Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 12:57 if you only knew how much damage undetectable cheats have done to renegade clan gaming over the years. And if I did? What difference would it make? for starters i don't think you would have said what you said a few posts ago. Quote: How would you kicking cheaters from the forum benefit your clanwar experiences? How would it diminish the amount of cheaters who plague Renegade? If you want to deal with cheaters, then deal with them. Don't take pointless steps that accomplish nothing for anyone. how fatuous.
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-13T17:51:20-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 13:51 how fatuous. Why is that? Do you believe that if you ban a cheater from Renforums that they will stop cheating in Renegade?
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-05-13T18:22:24-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 13:22 Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 13:51 how fatuous. Why is that? Do you believe that if you ban a cheater from Renforums that they will stop cheating in Renegade? here's what you said. Quote: How would you kicking cheaters from the forum benefit your clanwar experiences? How would it diminish the amount of cheaters who plague Renegade? If you want to deal with cheaters, then deal with them. Don't take pointless steps that accomplish nothing for anyone. this is nearly as stupid as what you said a few posts ago, the more cheats the better and all that tripe. firstly, i didn't say banning 0x90 from the forum would undo the extraordinary amount of damage he has done to this game, especially the competitive sector of it. nor did i say it would diminish the number of the cheaters in the game. but if you're going to take this ridiculous line of reasoning, then let's be consistent. if the damage is already done, there's no need to dish out a penalty, right? secondly it makes me sick to see more people defend him than flame him (because he's apparently nice and helpful to people on the forum... i'm sorry, but after the unbelievable amount of damage he's done to the players he's talking to, this is a mark of his dishonesty rather than his helpfulness, and it's sad to see how many people fall for it), and it makes me even sicker to see people take a brave stand against those of us who give him a piece of our mind. thirdly, i've yet to hear a good reason to repudiate what i said in the earlier thread. if he DOES want to get people to stop flaming him - and he's made it clear he is fairly desperate for that to happen even if he doesn't quite realise it himself - the only way i can see it happening is if he puts his supposed skills to work making a really good anti-cheat. if he doesn't want to be treated like the scum he is, he can start by undoing the damage he's done. until then i reserve the right to publicly humiliate him. maybe some …
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-13T18:58:11-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: I don't really even see why people make cheats altogether... I really don't.
creator: GEORGE ZIMMER
date: 2010-05-13T19:04:39-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: People still being jelous because I have/had the ability to give myself credits in game?
creator: Sir Kane
date: 2010-05-13T20:12:32-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: I can do that too. !refund Cool guy.
creator: Tiesto
date: 2010-05-13T22:32:23-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 14:58 firstly, i didn't say banning 0x90 from the forum would undo the extraordinary amount of damage he has done to this game, especially the competitive sector of it. nor did i say it would diminish the number of the cheaters in the game. but if you're going to take this ridiculous line of reasoning, then let's be consistent. if the damage is already done, there's no need to dish out a penalty, right? Look again at the subject of this thread. The thread is asking if 0x90 should be banned from the forums for cheating in Renegade. It's not about you or what you said specifically, it's about his actions in the game and how punishment should or should not carry over onto the forums. You may have not said anything specifically saying that banning a cheater from the forums is going to stop them cheating in Renegade, but that is what this thread is about and you obviously are for him leaving the forum. As for penalty, there should be none. Not because the damage is done but because he has done nothing wrong. I am completely sick and tired of people being labeled for things they do somewhere else. A cheater might cheat in Renegade, but the forum is a totally different place. Sure it might discuss the game and people might carry over their feelings onto the forum, but the fact remains that he has not broken any forum rules. Banning from the forums would be nothing but a demonstration of power abuse. Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 14:58 secondly it makes me sick to see more people defend him than flame him (because he's apparently nice and helpful to people on the forum... i'm sorry, but after the unbelievable amount of damage he's done to the players he's talking to, this is a mark of his dishonesty rather than his helpfulness, and it's sad to see how many people fall for it), and it makes me even sicker to see people take a brave stand against those of us who give him a piece of our mind. That's your opinion but it doesn't make you right…
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-05-13T23:05:48-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: CarrierII wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 07:46 I imagine a certain post of mine is in one of the previous topics that were linked to. Goztow is right, the issue is that we care for the game and the community, and the cheats 0x90 produces ruin it. Quote: " *cheat name removed*doesn't cheat ren, cheaters do" Yes, but they'd have a harder time doing it if the program didn't exist. If all the ingame moderators had to contend with was big-head and other BIATCH detectable stuff, we'd have it easy with banning cheaters. You might not have cheated in a game yourself, but writing a program that lets others do it doesn't help. You've clearly (by self-admission, you don't play!) never had a game ruined by your own program, so I don't think you're in a position to make such silly statements about who is to blame. You've (indirectly, but this is not a defense) ruined hundreds (or more) games; that is, people's leisure time, time set aside form work/school/whatever for enjoying themselves has been ruined by you. Finally a moderator on these forums sees 0x90 for who he is. If all the 'grownups' of Renegade had that sort of attitude. hell, the Renegade community would be alot better off. Hex I'm going to stop running servers and start coding cheats, thats all you need for Reborns respect! The sad thing is, Reborn's not the only guy who supports 0x90.. I fail to see how educated men and woman who put so much of their time and money into Renegade can simply turn a blind eye to 0x90. So what if he hasn't broken any rules on the forums, The forums are the 'Offical Renegade forums' I don't see next to it -all cheaters welcome *open arms* .. It's funny, when someone's found cheating then the mods here post the ip and serial etc. But when the guy that's made the cheat comes on the forums, he's allowed to do as he pleases.. I'm a 16 yr old that loves Renegade and yet I have more logic than 30 yr olds that have played longer than me? words fail me.
creator: Sean
date: 2010-05-14T00:31:32-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 18:05 Look again at the subject of this thread. The thread is asking if 0x90 should be banned from the forums for cheating in Renegade. It's not about you or what you said specifically, it's about his actions in the game and how punishment should or should not carry over onto the forums. You may have not said anything specifically saying that banning a cheater from the forums is going to stop them cheating in Renegade, but that is what this thread is about and you obviously are for him leaving the forum. As for penalty, there should be none. Not because the damage is done but because he has done nothing wrong. Oh, my. What you said before was fucking stupid, but damn. 0x90 "has done nothing wrong". Quote: I am completely sick and tired of people being labeled for things they do somewhere else. A cheater might cheat in Renegade, but the forum is a totally different place. Sure it might discuss the game and people might carry over their feelings onto the forum, but the fact remains that he has not broken any forum rules. it's the (de facto) official forum for this game, and when you have someone who's done such an extraordinary amount of harm to the game, a little common sense is a good thing. Quote: Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 14:58 secondly it makes me sick to see more people defend him than flame him (because he's apparently nice and helpful to people on the forum... i'm sorry, but after the unbelievable amount of damage he's done to the players he's talking to, this is a mark of his dishonesty rather than his helpfulness, and it's sad to see how many people fall for it), and it makes me even sicker to see people take a brave stand against those of us who give him a piece of our mind. That's your opinion but it doesn't make you right. I wish I understood why people say things as dumb as this. Of course it's my opinion; whose else were you expecting when you saw a post from 'Spoony'? Quote: I have never encountered him in Ren…
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-14T00:59:28-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: What would change if he was banned? This is a poorly thought out thread.
creator: Dover
date: 2010-05-14T01:34:29-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59 Oh, my. What you said before was fucking stupid, but damn. 0x90 "has done nothing wrong". ...on the forum. Done nothing wrong on the forum. Of course when you take what I said out of context it looks stupid. Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59 it's the (de facto) official forum for this game, and when you have someone who's done such an extraordinary amount of harm to the game, a little common sense is a good thing. Yes, you're right. There needs to be some common sense usage here. Common sense as in banning a cheater from a game in which he cheated. Cheating in the game goes against the rules and therefore a punishment is in order. However, there is no common sense in banning the same guy from a forum for not breaking any rules at all. I'm not the one being stupid here. Rules are made to protect people who want to play fairly, not punish the people who don't. The rule against cheating is to make it so people can enjoy a fair game. If you take that right away from the other players by cheating, then that is why you are then punished by being separated from them so you can't cause any more problems. However, you can't cause the other people harm on the forum by using those same cheats that got you banned from the game. The forum is an entirely new dimension. So what if it is the forum for the game in question? You can't cause problems for the other people on the forum by using cheats designed for use in the game. That's why no punishment should be given on the forum unless a forum rule is broken, in which case that person then is causing problems for the other forum users and needs to be removed. You don't punish people because you want to. You punish them to make sure everyone else can continue on in peace. Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 14:58 I wish I understood why people say things as dumb as this. Of course it's my opinion; whose else were you expecting when you saw a post from 'Spoony'? Ok, so how would you phrase it?…
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2010-05-14T01:59:49-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Azazel wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:31 Hex I'm going to stop running servers and start coding cheats, thats all you need for Reborns respect! The sad thing is, Reborn's not the only guy who supports 0x90.. I fail to see how educated men and woman who put so much of their time and money into Renegade can simply turn a blind eye to 0x90. So what if he hasn't broken any rules on the forums, The forums are the 'Offical Renegade forums' I don't see next to it -all cheaters welcome *open arms* .. It's funny, when someone's found cheating then the mods here post the ip and serial etc. But when the guy that's made the cheat comes on the forums, he's allowed to do as he pleases.. I'm a 16 yr old that loves Renegade and yet I have more logic than 30 yr olds that have played longer than me? words fail me. I'm pretty sure Hex was joking/trolling, I'm confident he knows that I would not support anything like that. How dare you say I support 0x90? Check out those forums, and look for the posts made by "spencer", being me. You're out of your mind if you think I support the activities that 0x90 gets up to. You're terribly mis-informed. Also, R315r4z0r... The more cheats the better? You're wrong.
creator: reborn
date: 2010-05-14T08:12:51-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59 Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59 Oh, my. What you said before was fucking stupid, but damn. 0x90 "has done nothing wrong". ...on the forum. Done nothing wrong on the forum. Of course when you take what I said out of context it looks stupid. i don't understand why people say things as stupid as this either. a quote is, by definition, taken out of context. regardless, the plain fact is you said "[0x90] has done nothing wrong." this is what you said. it doesn't look stupid because it's taken out of context... it looks stupid because it's stupid. Quote: Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59 it's the (de facto) official forum for this game, and when you have someone who's done such an extraordinary amount of harm to the game, a little common sense is a good thing. Yes, you're right. There needs to be some common sense usage here. so start acting like it. Quote: Common sense as in banning a cheater from a game in which he cheated. Cheating in the game goes against the rules and therefore a punishment is in order. However, there is no common sense in banning the same guy from a forum for not breaking any rules at all. see above re: the extraordinary amount of damage 0x90 has done to this game. one would think the number of times i'd repeated that point it might have made an impression by now. secondly, if pursuing a course of action 0x90 has taken is not against any rulse, then there's something seriously wrong with the rules. it's been several years since we knew what a piece of shit 0x90 is and the rules don't seem to have changed enough to accommodate a ban, EVEN THOUGH people have been banned here despite breaking no rules. Quote: I'm not the one being stupid here. Rules are made to protect people who want to play fairly, not punish the people who don't. The rule against cheating is to make it so people can enjoy a fair game. If you take that right away from the other players by cheating, then that is why you are then pu…
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-14T08:47:07-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: 0x90 has been a puzzle to me for some time, and I have not known what to make of him. After some contemplation, I can only come to the conclusion that he is a sociopath, or at least has strong antisocial personality disorder tendancies. This struck me as I deliberated over the following: *He is unable to conform to the main stream; He see's nothing wrong really in what he is doing, and cannot grasp why people are so mad at him. *He has a disregard for others wellbeing; in as much as he does not seem to care about the damage his releases do. *He has an abundance of charm and wit, he seems considerate when I talked to him and indeed friendly. However, this is surely only superficial? If he really thought anything of me, then why would he release cheats that are so damaging? The same can apply to this forum... He is helpful to people here, and constructive, but yet he does so much damage behind the scenes. *He has told me that he enjoys the naughty things. "Things that are disruptive are naughty are often the most enjoyable". This is aparaphrase, but you get the idea; Sociopaths can sometimes sees the world on their own terms, as a place of high drama and risky thrills. *Low self esteem; He reacts when people say negative things about him, so is clearly hurt. Also, it's possible that the releases he makes are directly to bolster his esteem because of the cheating communities love for him. He is like a hero to them. Other signs of the disorder can be, but not neccessarily required: agressive or violent tendancies, finds it hard to hold down a job and drug abuse. If you're reading this 0x90, and you can identify with any of this, then maybe you could start asking question about yourself, and help yourself to become better by seeking help? Maybe I'm speaking out of term, or even out my ass, but this is the only solution to the puzzle that is 0x90 that makes sense to me.
creator: reborn
date: 2010-05-14T10:49:49-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Dover wrote on Fri, 14 May 2010 02:34 What would change if he was banned? This is a poorly thought out thread. This is why he isn't banned, it would achieve nothing. (Note, I doubt "sending a clear message", IE: banning him on principle, would make the slightest difference to the production of cheats by himself or anyone else)
creator: CarrierII
date: 2010-05-14T11:02:16-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: i'm not sure about the "abundance of charm and wit", but other than that i think we may indeed be dealing with a sociopath. so far there's only been three other people in renegade i've thought (and said) do have serious psychological disorders, so i don't just say that as a random insult. to dover and carrier... perhaps we can hear a little less about why the fact his destruction of this game is supposedly unstoppable is a reason not to take a clear and palpable stand against him.
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-14T12:09:26-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: But such a stand does nothing. It would be a waste of my time to click the appropiate buttons, not only is he more than capable of bypassing any such ban, it doesn't stop him doing anything, besides posting here, where we might have the slightest chance of reasoning with him.
creator: CarrierII
date: 2010-05-14T12:58:17-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: "it does nothing"... it is something, regardless of what it does. dover said what would banning him change? for starters it changes whether or not we have to see his face around here. i also get a little tired of people saying that if a ban can be circumvented somehow, there's no point doing it at all.
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-14T13:07:45-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: I sorta agree with Spoony. It might not stop the cheat making, but why not make the bastard unwelcome at every corner?
creator: GEORGE ZIMMER
date: 2010-05-14T15:45:35-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Because I could spend the same amount of time directly countering the results of what he's done (in my leisure time... grr), which at least improves the situation, even if only by treating the symptom, and not the cause. Nothing I can do W.R.T. banning will stop him making cheats, so what's the point?
creator: CarrierII
date: 2010-05-14T20:05:32-00:00

Bashing Spoony
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description: @ Spoony First I owe you an appology for what i'm going to say, but w/e. Obvious Troll And that doesn't even show just how annoying and retarded you are. You made your point why you don't want 0x90 on the forum, now take a hint: GTFO w/ Your FAIL Yes you have very good reasons and I'm very aware of that myself as server owner. But you will, at some point, have to learn that having good points does not mean everyone agrees to YOUR opinion. Ontopic: I think that having 0x90 on renforums doesn't harm anyone, just like it doesn't hurt some cheat forum having me there. Well, actually, I probably hurt them more than having 0x90 on RF hurts RF. EDIT2: reborn wrote on Fri, 14 May 2010 12:49 *Low self esteem; He reacts when people say negative things about him, so is clearly hurt. Also, it's possible that the releases he makes are directly to bolster his esteem because of the cheating communities love for him. He is like a hero to them. The fucking irony in this is that he has a point. He claims that the cheatcommunity is much more thankful for his creations than the 'normal' community is for creations as scripts.dll or BIATCH. That is an interesting and true point he makes. Edit: This topic is now about bashing Spoony.
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2010-05-14T21:50:45-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: The reason, sadly, for the fact that the cheat community are more loving is twofold: 1) His program still works, the current generation of ACs don't (as far as his little cheat is concerned) 2) The community is smaller. Smaller communities (even gathered around a negative purpose, which is only true whilst the members perceive it to be negative anyway) are more harmonious. :s All of this being said, I refer to my other post, in which I decry his actions as being unacceptable on the grounds they ruin people's leisure time.
creator: CarrierII
date: 2010-05-14T22:09:29-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: CarrierII wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 00:09 The reason, sadly, for the fact that the cheat community are more loving is twofold: 1) His program still works, the current generation of ACs don't (as far as his little cheat is concerned) 2) The community is smaller. Smaller communities (even gathered around a negative purpose, which is only true whilst the members perceive it to be negative anyway) are more harmonious. :s All of this being said, I refer to my other post, in which I decry his actions as being unacceptable on the grounds they ruin people's leisure time. BIATCH worked against almost all cheats with I think version 1. It still didn't get a whole lot of praise. Yes 0x90 circumvented the aimbot disabler, but still, it deserves more credit than it did. On point 2 I'm not to sure. While smaller communities may be more harmonious, it doesn't explain why the much larger RF community gives about the same amount or even less (positive) reactions than the cheat community does. So purely for self-esteem, the cheatcommunity is a better choice than RF. That is actually a very very sad fact.
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2010-05-14T22:29:40-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 14 May 2010 17:29 CarrierII wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 00:09 The reason, sadly, for the fact that the cheat community are more loving is twofold: 1) His program still works, the current generation of ACs don't (as far as his little cheat is concerned) 2) The community is smaller. Smaller communities (even gathered around a negative purpose, which is only true whilst the members perceive it to be negative anyway) are more harmonious. :s All of this being said, I refer to my other post, in which I decry his actions as being unacceptable on the grounds they ruin people's leisure time. BIATCH worked against almost all cheats with I think version 1. It still didn't get a whole lot of praise. Yes 0x90 circumvented the aimbot disabler, but still, it deserves more credit than it did. On point 2 I'm not to sure. While smaller communities may be more harmonious, it doesn't explain why the much larger RF community gives about the same amount or even less (positive) reactions than the cheat community does. So purely for self-esteem, the cheatcommunity is a better choice than RF. That is actually a very very sad fact. I'm sure I speak for every 'normal' moderator in renegade when I say BIATCH is very useful and thank god we have it. w/o that we'd be alot more 'fucked' than we are now. Altho, didn't black intel per-fect the rof detection but was never released? and instead of working on TT which looks like it's never gonna come, why not work on modifiying BIATCH? And to stay on topic, I'm sure if Westwood still owned this site, they'd do everything in there power to make sure that people that create cheats that destroy the game would be banned permantly.
creator: Sean
date: 2010-05-14T22:34:09-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Azazel wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 00:34 EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 14 May 2010 17:29 CarrierII wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 00:09 The reason, sadly, for the fact that the cheat community are more loving is twofold: 1) His program still works, the current generation of ACs don't (as far as his little cheat is concerned) 2) The community is smaller. Smaller communities (even gathered around a negative purpose, which is only true whilst the members perceive it to be negative anyway) are more harmonious. :s All of this being said, I refer to my other post, in which I decry his actions as being unacceptable on the grounds they ruin people's leisure time. BIATCH worked against almost all cheats with I think version 1. It still didn't get a whole lot of praise. Yes 0x90 circumvented the aimbot disabler, but still, it deserves more credit than it did. On point 2 I'm not to sure. While smaller communities may be more harmonious, it doesn't explain why the much larger RF community gives about the same amount or even less (positive) reactions than the cheat community does. So purely for self-esteem, the cheatcommunity is a better choice than RF. That is actually a very very sad fact. I'm sure I speak for every 'normal' moderator in renegade when I say BIATCH is very useful and thank god we have it. w/o that we'd be alot more 'fucked' than we are now. Altho, didn't black intel per-fect the rof detection but was never released? and instead of working on TT which looks like it's never gonna come, why not work on modifiying BIATCH? And to stay on topic, I'm sure if Westwood still owned this site, they'd do everything in there power to make sure that people that create cheats that destroy the game would be banned permantly. We have some RoF detection, but it like 90% of the time inaccurate, or at least so it seems. We're working with the TT team to get TT released. Quite some parts of our unreleased fixes will be in TT as a result of that. The reason we haven't developed BIATCH more…
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2010-05-14T23:27:33-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: lol i love when spoony just demolishes idiots and their arguments and then seeing them try to respond by making some modified or made-up assumption of spoony's ideas.
creator: Rocko
date: 2010-05-15T00:34:44-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: I can't believe how some of you assholes are jumping on spoony when x90 is the fuck who basically killed renegade with his undetectable cheats. Can't believe you people would go as low as to stand up for a cheating shit just to jump on the I hate spoony bandwagon. Go finger your little pussy x90 you mean lady bitch. Mean lady = c. u. n. t.
creator: T0RN
date: 2010-05-15T00:44:27-00:00

Re: Bashing Spoony
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description: EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 14 May 2010 16:50 @ Spoony First I owe you an appology for what i'm going to say, but w/e. Obvious Troll you don't owe me an apology for that, trust me. Quote: And that doesn't even show just how annoying and retarded you are. You made your point why you don't want 0x90 on the forum, now take a hint: Yes you have very good reasons and I'm very aware of that myself as server owner. But you will, at some point, have to learn that having good points does not mean everyone agrees to YOUR opinion. again, i can't imagine why people say such stupid things. "not everyone agrees to your opinion"... well DUHHHH, otherwise he would've been banned several years ago and we wouldn't have had the embarrassment of so many people defending him against those of us who think he's a twat and don't mind saying so. and maybe you don't think that harms renegadeforums.com, i'm not sure i'd agree.
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-15T01:33:48-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 14 May 2010 18:27 The reason we haven't developed BIATCH more is because we too suspected that TT would be out sooner than this. Surely enough, it is hard to improve vAC from only the server, as BIATCH does. With TT we've taken away fundamental flaws in the netcode and in that way will most likely make BIATCH obsolete/integrated with TT. Well, thanks to 0x90 releasing his new cheat. He's postponed the release of TT even longer. As now, you guys will have to edit your anti-cheat software to pick up his latest cheat as well. *sighs* I'm aware that ROF detection is unrelyable I have a lil bit of experience with it working with RR. I thought you guys had per-fected it, my bad. T0RN wrote on Fri, 14 May 2010 19:44 I can't believe how some of you assholes are jumping on spoony when x90 is the fuck who basically killed renegade with his undetectable cheats. Can't believe you people would go as low as to stand up for a cheating shit just to jump on the I hate spoony bandwagon. Go finger your little pussy x90 you mean lady bitch. Mean lady = c. u. n. t. <3 This.
creator: Sean
date: 2010-05-15T03:48:08-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Spoony wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 03:33 EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 14 May 2010 16:50 @ Spoony First I owe you an appology for what i'm going to say, but w/e. Obvious Troll you don't owe me an apology for that, trust me. Quote: And that doesn't even show just how annoying and retarded you are. You made your point why you don't want 0x90 on the forum, now take a hint: Yes you have very good reasons and I'm very aware of that myself as server owner. But you will, at some point, have to learn that having good points does not mean everyone agrees to YOUR opinion. again, i can't imagine why people say such stupid things. "not everyone agrees to your opinion"... well DUHHHH, otherwise he would've been banned several years ago and we wouldn't have had the embarrassment of so many people defending him against those of us who think he's a twat and don't mind saying so. and maybe you don't think that harms renegadeforums.com, i'm not sure i'd agree. I highlighted the statements that are opinions and are threated as facts. Spoony, let it be clear that I do not necessarily disagree with you, but your style of arguing is highly annoying in my opinion. This causes a lot of people either to ignore you, or bash you. Which is in some cases really a pitty. Defending your own arguments makes sense, but try to do so in a manner that does not directly mean the other is wrong and stupid. This goes in particular with opinion pieces like these. Azazel wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 05:48 EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 14 May 2010 18:27 The reason we haven't developed BIATCH more is because we too suspected that TT would be out sooner than this. Surely enough, it is hard to improve vAC from only the server, as BIATCH does. With TT we've taken away fundamental flaws in the netcode and in that way will most likely make BIATCH obsolete/integrated with TT. Well, thanks to 0x90 releasing his new cheat. He's postponed the release of TT even longer. As now, you guys will have to edit your anti-cheat so…
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2010-05-15T08:09:30-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Which is precisely why he was never banned. Reasoning with him after that would be impossible.
creator: CarrierII
date: 2010-05-15T09:19:55-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 03:09 I highlighted the statements that are opinions and are threated as facts. Spoony, let it be clear that I do not necessarily disagree with you, but your style of arguing is highly annoying in my opinion. This causes a lot of people either to ignore you, or bash you. Which is in some cases really a pitty. Defending your own arguments makes sense, but try to do so in a manner that does not directly mean the other is wrong and stupid. This goes in particular with opinion pieces like these. After what you just had to admit in the private forum, I'd just stop talking right now if I were you. Trust me, it won't look good for you at all if everyone knew exactly why you made your outburst. It's certainly more damaging than anything you could ever say about me.
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-15T10:14:46-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Spoony wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 12:14 EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 03:09 I highlighted the statements that are opinions and are threated as facts. Spoony, let it be clear that I do not necessarily disagree with you, but your style of arguing is highly annoying in my opinion. This causes a lot of people either to ignore you, or bash you. Which is in some cases really a pitty. Defending your own arguments makes sense, but try to do so in a manner that does not directly mean the other is wrong and stupid. This goes in particular with opinion pieces like these. After what you just had to admit in the private forum, I'd just stop talking right now if I were you. Trust me, it won't look good for you at all if everyone knew exactly why you made your outburst. It's certainly more damaging than anything you could ever say about me. Actually it's not, and I certainly do not need you to say that. Nor do I or anyone on the TT team needs you to make hints at what does or does not happen on private forums. TYVM. Edit: Also, when the time is right, I have absolutely NO PROBLEM AT ALL defending my actions, I suspect I have the trust in that matter of the full team besides you.
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2010-05-15T10:54:49-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: I think this discourse needs to go elsewhere.
creator: CarrierII
date: 2010-05-15T11:12:40-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 12:54 Actually it's not, and I certainly do not need you to say that. Nor do I or anyone on the TT team needs you to make hints at what does or does not happen on private forums. TYVM. Edit: Also, when the time is right, I have absolutely NO PROBLEM AT ALL defending my actions, I suspect I have the trust in that matter of the full team besides you. You ought to be deeply ashamed of yourself.
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-15T11:19:04-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: No he oughtn't. Nothing damaging was said in my opinion. And since it's private information it should not be discussed here. I am also pretty sure that even if nothing was said in the private forums, EWD would have had the same opinion. From the poll, it seems the majority share that opinion here that there is no good reason to ban 0x90 from these forums. If you do not want to see him because you principally do not talk to cheaters or feel sick whenever you see his name, then by all means ignore him. There are probably other people who are not banned here who you do not want to talk to. If you ban 0x90 for harming people here, I'm sure he'll feel much less bad about harming them than if you allow him to be here and read about it. I am actually happy that 0x90 is willing to look at our side of things. Maybe he will realize how much harm he is causing to the people here, and maybe rethink whether he wants to continue doing that. Maybe not; but then what is lost? I would certainly prefer to try. Especially since there is nothing unpleasant in talking to him, even though we may disagree 100% on whether making cheats is acceptable behaviour.
creator: StealthEye
date: 2010-05-15T11:43:11-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Spoony wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 13:19 EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 12:54 Actually it's not, and I certainly do not need you to say that. Nor do I or anyone on the TT team needs you to make hints at what does or does not happen on private forums. TYVM. Edit: Also, when the time is right, I have absolutely NO PROBLEM AT ALL defending my actions, I suspect I have the trust in that matter of the full team besides you. You ought to be deeply ashamed of yourself. Opinion. In fact, an opinion I couldn't care less about due to above discussed reasons. And now it is time to either lock the thread or move it to heated discussions and debate where your useless discussions opinions dominate.
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2010-05-15T11:46:38-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: CarrierII wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 06:12 I think this discourse needs to go elsewhere. "Heated Discussions and Debates" maybe? EDIT: Also it seems like you guys are making Spoony the bad guy here. This is/was about 0x90, not Spoony.
creator: Kimb
date: 2010-05-15T11:49:32-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 06:46 Spoony wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 13:19 EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 12:54 Actually it's not, and I certainly do not need you to say that. Nor do I or anyone on the TT team needs you to make hints at what does or does not happen on private forums. TYVM. Edit: Also, when the time is right, I have absolutely NO PROBLEM AT ALL defending my actions, I suspect I have the trust in that matter of the full team besides you. You ought to be deeply ashamed of yourself. Opinion. In fact, an opinion I couldn't care less about due to above discussed reasons. And now it is time to either lock the thread or move it to heated discussions and debate where your useless discussions opinions dominate. I'm deadly serious about this, I never imagined I'd see anything as low as what you've just done. Kimb wrote EDIT: Also it seems like you guys are making Spoony the bad guy here. that was the point in the first place.
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-15T11:55:16-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Kimb wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 13:49 CarrierII wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 06:12 I think this discourse needs to go elsewhere. "Heated Discussions and Debates" maybe? EDIT: Also it seems like you guys are making Spoony the bad guy here. This is/was about 0x90, not Spoony. You're correct. I did not intend to post here initially, but I wanted to avoid people to draw invalid conclusions from what Spoony said about EWD and the private discussion, since I have more information on that than people without access there. I completely agree with moving or removing these posts from this topic. Quote: that was the point in the first place. Making you the bad guy here? That was never the point. It still isn't.
creator: StealthEye
date: 2010-05-15T12:01:11-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: StealthEye wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 07:01 You're correct. I did not intend to post here initially, but I wanted to avoid people to draw invalid conclusions from what Spoony said about EWD and the private discussion, since I have more information on that than people without access there. You can be very thankful, for TT's sake, that most people don't have access there. EWD can invoke the majority of TT's opinion on his side if he likes, but let's not kid ourselves... if it was a question of the overall Renegade community's opinion, well, sparks would fly. Quote: Quote: that was the point in the first place. Making you the bad guy here? That was never the point. It still isn't. i suppose i shouldn't have used the word "point". it wasn't the end, it was the means. take a good look at what's just happened here, stealtheye. if you still think EWD doesn't have anything to be ashamed of, then i gravely question your judgement.
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-15T12:15:33-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: lol; just lol
creator: snpr1101
date: 2010-05-15T12:26:35-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: lol all you need now is Chris Crocker in the background saying "LEAVE HER ALONE!" with 'EWD' on his shirt
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-15T12:28:31-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Spoony wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 07:28 lol all you need now is Chris Crocker in the background saying "LEAVE HER ALONE!" with 'EWD' on his shirt snpr1101 wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 20:26 lol; just lol Nice one
creator: Kimb
date: 2010-05-15T12:34:07-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Spoony wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 14:15 StealthEye wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 07:01 You're correct. I did not intend to post here initially, but I wanted to avoid people to draw invalid conclusions from what Spoony said about EWD and the private discussion, since I have more information on that than people without access there. You can be very thankful, for TT's sake, that most people don't have access there. EWD can invoke the majority of TT's opinion on his side if he likes, but let's not kid ourselves... if it was a question of the overall Renegade community's opinion, well, sparks would fly. Quote: Quote: that was the point in the first place. Making you the bad guy here? That was never the point. It still isn't. i suppose i shouldn't have used the word "point". it wasn't the end, it was the means. take a good look at what's just happened here, stealtheye. if you still think EWD doesn't have anything to be ashamed of, then i gravely question your judgement. Spoony, don't kid yourself, you're not the representative for TT nor are you for Renegadeforums. You where for CW.cc, but I've heard that is dead. So basically, go screw yourself until you can find a majority that does actually support you and your opinions. As said that when the time is right, I have no problems explaining what I said there. Oh btw, I forgot, I wasn't the first to suggest that, that was mac/Crimson. So you may disagree, but as you might understand, you have basically half if not more of the TT team against you. Also, you shouldn't have mentioned PRIVATE arguments on a public forum. Now you're fighting an unfair fight because I cannot respond to your accusation. You're almost suggesting as I personally did something as bad as leaking TT or something to 0x90, which, obviously I did not.
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2010-05-15T12:44:20-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Spoony wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 14:15 You can be very thankful, for TT's sake, that most people don't have access there. EWD can invoke the majority of TT's opinion on his side if he likes, but let's not kid ourselves... if it was a question of the overall Renegade community's opinion, well, sparks would fly. I doubt it. Spoony wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 14:15 i suppose i shouldn't have used the word "point". it wasn't the end, it was the means. A means to what end? It is not a means; I only wanted to show that I do not share your judgement of what EWD said in the private forums. I think I made that clear, so I'll stop posting now. Spoony wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 14:15 take a good look at what's just happened here, stealtheye. if you still think EWD doesn't have anything to be ashamed of, then i gravely question your judgement. Go ahead and question my judgement; I question yours.
creator: StealthEye
date: 2010-05-15T13:02:28-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 07:44 Spoony, don't kid yourself, you're not the representative for TT nor are you for Renegadeforums. Never said or thought I was, so there's no danger of "kidding myself". Quote: You where for CW.cc, but I've heard that is dead. Yes. Undetectable cheats killed it. (not the only cause, but by far the biggest cause) 0x90 killed it. Don't you ever dream of forgetting that. Quote: So basically, go screw yourself until you can find a majority that does actually support you and your opinions. if i cared about "a majority" being on my side, i suspect i could achieve that in the general community here simply by saying what was just revealed. on that basis, you can be thankful that i don't give a shit about majority being on my side. Quote: Oh btw, I forgot, I wasn't the first to suggest that, that was mac/Crimson. i don't remember mac or crimson deciding to publicly turn against a fellow TT member for the sole purpose of helping this odious plan succeed. Quote: So you may disagree, but as you might understand, you have basically half if not more of the TT team against you. well, you're coming down a little, you previously said "I suspect I have the trust in that matter of the full team besides you.". even so, if i was the only TT member who could see the extraordinary folly - and danger - of this concept, that alone would justify my presence on the team if only to talk some fucking sense into the rest of you. Quote: Also, you shouldn't have mentioned PRIVATE arguments on a public forum. you're in no position to talk about what someone else "shouldn't have done", you really aren't. Quote: Now you're fighting an unfair fight because I cannot respond to your accusation. oh, my. *I* am fighting an unfair fight. are you kidding? i could destroy your reputation in a moment by publicly revealing what's just happened here. be thankful i am putting myself at a great disadvantage by fighting fair.
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-15T13:07:46-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Kimb wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 07:34 Spoony wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 07:28 lol all you need now is Chris Crocker in the background saying "LEAVE HER ALONE!" with 'EWD' on his shirt snpr1101 wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 20:26 lol; just lol Nice one Call me evil, but if I saw him irl, i'd do ALOT worse than that. I'm a calm open-minded type of guy, but people like 0x90 jus makes my blood boil. Guys stop bashing spoony, he's giving his opinion's which, like everyone else, he's entitled too. This topic is about 0x90, don't forget it. EvilWhiteDragon Anyway, just to shed a little bit of different light on 0x90> we're talking to him and well he's planning on giving us privately the source of rgh, so we know exactly what it does, now aren't you 0x90? I highly doubt he'd do this. But now I see why Spoony is so enraged, the people we're trusting to create TT will take the chance of giving certain files to 0x90 in order to get the source for 'blabla' jus my opinion. Yeah okay, him giving you guys the 'blabla' source would be awesome, so you could patch against it in TT easier but let's not forget this is 0x90 the guy who hacked RG and created cheats that destroyed several communties (owners cheating),cw.cc. I fail to see how you can trust him or hold him in any high regard. If he did indeed give you guys the source, then that's a step in the right direction, but let's not forget. 'Once a cheater - always a cheater'.
creator: Sean
date: 2010-05-15T13:18:13-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Where did you get the suggestion TT were handing anything to 0x90? That's enough. Locked. TT members, take your discussions elsewhere, need I remind you you are the community's last hope at sorting out this mess, and all you're currently doing is arguing, in public. Moved to heated discussions. No more pictures, please.
creator: CarrierII
date: 2010-05-15T13:27:45-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: 0x90 is someone you want on your side and could be a HUGE asset to Renegade. Any one who thinks he should be banned is either misinformed or completely retarded.
creator: luv2pb
date: 2010-05-16T19:09:18-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: luv2pb wrote on Sun, 16 May 2010 22:09 0x90 is someone you want on your side and could be a HUGE asset to Renegade. Any one who thinks he should be banned is either misinformed or completely retarded. With the recent release of his cheat program, I don't think he has much interest in being an asset for Renegade, or being on anyone's side.
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2010-05-16T19:17:20-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: nikki6ixx wrote on Sun, 16 May 2010 14:17 luv2pb wrote on Sun, 16 May 2010 22:09 0x90 is someone you want on your side and could be a HUGE asset to Renegade. Any one who thinks he should be banned is either misinformed or completely retarded. With the recent release of his cheat program, I don't think he has much interest in being an asset for Renegade, or being on anyone's side. FYI the new 2.0 something version of his has been downloaded over 100 times already
creator: Kimb
date: 2010-05-16T19:30:04-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Well that is half the playerbase cheating then.
creator: Tiesto
date: 2010-05-16T19:50:12-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: i lold
creator: grant89uk
date: 2010-05-16T20:00:14-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: luv2pb wrote on Sun, 16 May 2010 14:09 0x90 is someone you want on your side and could be a HUGE asset to Renegade. Any one who thinks he should be banned is either misinformed or completely retarded. I agree, so we can have Renegade even more shat upon with retarded cheats made to cater to idiotic 13 year old faggots who can't play properly. great idea
creator: GEORGE ZIMMER
date: 2010-05-16T20:23:33-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Tiesto wrote on Sun, 16 May 2010 14:50 Well that is half the playerbase cheating then. Oshit...
creator: Clark Kent
date: 2010-05-16T20:29:09-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: luv2pb wrote on Sun, 16 May 2010 14:09 0x90 is someone you want on your side and could be a HUGE asset to Renegade. Any one who thinks he should be banned is either misinformed or completely retarded. some of the things you've said about 0x90 along these lines are not just ridiculous, they're insultingly ridiculous
creator: Spoony
date: 2010-05-16T22:39:05-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Spoony wrote on Mon, 17 May 2010 00:39 luv2pb wrote on Sun, 16 May 2010 14:09 0x90 is someone you want on your side and could be a HUGE asset to Renegade. Any one who thinks he should be banned is either misinformed or completely retarded. some of the things you've said about 0x90 along these lines are not just ridiculous, they're insultingly ridiculous From you yes. Why didn't this topic stay locked? It has no purpose.
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2010-05-16T23:03:29-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sun, 16 May 2010 18:03 Why didn't this topic stay locked? It has no purpose. Because as i might have mentioned, move it to HDnD and here it is! i see no reason to close it, public talk about 0x90, and supporting Spoony and his view
creator: Kimb
date: 2010-05-16T23:09:19-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Wow, i hoped that i had derailed this.
creator: Tiesto
date: 2010-05-16T23:09:27-00:00

Re: Jus wondering ..
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description: Spoony wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 09:07 Quote: You where for CW.cc, but I've heard that is dead. Yes. Undetectable cheats killed it. (not the only cause, but by far the biggest cause) 0x90 killed it. Don't you ever dream of forgetting that. That definitely was the biggest cause.
creator: Tunaman
date: 2010-05-16T23:13:44-00:00