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Can someone give me a reason why it is illegal in the US. Not the controlled substance part from the gov, the actual reason behind that part. I can't really see any reason for it to be banned as it is basically like alcohol and the same rules can be applied to it.
Simple, Because it makes you look But Alcohol makes you look
The US constitution was drafted on hemp paper. George Washington grew hemp. Jefferson even smuggled hemp seeds out of China... The first Bibles where on hemp paper. You used to be able to pay taxes with hemp crops. It used to be embraced, patriotic even to grow it... The reason why it's now illegal? Henry Ford designed the T model Ford to run on oil made from hemp. That's right, the oil companies.
reborn wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 12:03 The US constitution was drafted on hemp paper. George Washington grew hemp. Jefferson even smuggled hemp seeds out of China... The first Bibles where on hemp paper. You used to be able to pay taxes with hemp crops. It used to be embraced, patriotic even to grow it... The reason why it's now illegal? Henry Ford designed the T model Ford to run on oil made from hemp. That's right, the oil companies. Pretty much this, and through some easy public manipulation, everyone decided it was terrible. Basically, describes the reason why.
reborn wrote on Tue, 20 October 2009 03:03 The US constitution was drafted on hemp paper. George Washington grew hemp. Jefferson even smuggled hemp seeds out of China... The first Bibles where on hemp paper. You used to be able to pay taxes with hemp crops. It used to be embraced, patriotic even to grow it... The reason why it's now illegal? Henry Ford designed the T model Ford to run on oil made from hemp. That's right, the oil companies. Of course. Oil Companies and Banks. Those are the real rulers of this world, not some government.
I watched a special on the History Channel about it once. It was illegalized because of the goody two shoes faggots. They ran commercials on television that depicted users of marijuana to be psychotic freaks. When in reality, a drunk person is much more dangerous to be around than someone who is high. It's complete bull shit. SeriousCat wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 10:28 stuff Because a syringe is how you take marijuana. Argument invalid. reborn wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 12:03 stuff No way! Maybe when America goes completely green, marijuana will be legalized.
Glock~ wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 21:58 Maybe when America goes completely green, marijuana will be legalized. Maybe when the sun comes up I'll start shitting rainbows. I don't see the Legalisiation of Marijuana happening anytime soon. It's the classic case of: what you can't have, you want. It has already been compared to alcohol, with the given argument "alcohol is worse". Imagine a world with no bars (alcohol consumption is illegal), and you were born into this world. You know no different; As do your parents, their parents and so on. But instead, Marijuana was legal. And oh what's this, dealers selling Alcohol. You can't have it, there for you want it.
I think I would trade weed for alcohol. Not that I partake in either activity but if people are going to put substances into their body to make them even more stupid, it might as well turn them into morons drooling on themselves rather than morons who fight, puke all over themselves, and drive cars recklessly.
Crimson wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 15:30 I think I would trade weed for alcohol. Not that I partake in either activity but if people are going to put substances into their body to make them even more stupid, it might as well turn them into morons drooling on themselves rather than morons who fight, puke all over themselves, and drive cars recklessly. But then one could make the reverse arguement; "Why is alchohol illegal when it's just as safe as weed?", etc etc. It's either both or neither.
Dover wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 18:36 Crimson wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 15:30 I think I would trade weed for alcohol. Not that I partake in either activity but if people are going to put substances into their body to make them even more stupid, it might as well turn them into morons drooling on themselves rather than morons who fight, puke all over themselves, and drive cars recklessly. But then one could make the reverse arguement; "Why is alchohol illegal when it's just as safe as weed?", etc etc. It's either both or neither. Statistically speaking, alchohol has destroyed WAY more lives than it has weed. Pot just makes you stupid and really calm pretty much, wheras alchohol just makes you an asshole. Both distort your senses a bit, but alchohol you tend to not notice as much, so you do stupid things more.
It confounds me as to why marijuana is illegal because there is serious money to be made there. All government needs to do is regulate the stuff, and let the tobacco companies grow and produce it. Then tax the hell out of it, just like alcohol and cigs. Hopefully this does happen, because with all the kiddies not taking up smokes anymore, and with all these lawsuits, my tobacco shares seem a little bleak.
GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 16:39 Dover wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 18:36 Crimson wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 15:30 I think I would trade weed for alcohol. Not that I partake in either activity but if people are going to put substances into their body to make them even more stupid, it might as well turn them into morons drooling on themselves rather than morons who fight, puke all over themselves, and drive cars recklessly. But then one could make the reverse arguement; "Why is alchohol illegal when it's just as safe as weed?", etc etc. It's either both or neither. Statistically speaking, alchohol has destroyed WAY more lives than it has weed. Pot just makes you stupid and really calm pretty much, wheras alchohol just makes you an asshole. Both distort your senses a bit, but alchohol you tend to not notice as much, so you do stupid things more. I'd say that's more cultural or personal than any inherent quality of alcohol.
Dover wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 16:52 GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 16:39 Dover wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 18:36 Crimson wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 15:30 I think I would trade weed for alcohol. Not that I partake in either activity but if people are going to put substances into their body to make them even more stupid, it might as well turn them into morons drooling on themselves rather than morons who fight, puke all over themselves, and drive cars recklessly. But then one could make the reverse arguement; "Why is alchohol illegal when it's just as safe as weed?", etc etc. It's either both or neither. Statistically speaking, alchohol has destroyed WAY more lives than it has weed. Pot just makes you stupid and really calm pretty much, wheras alchohol just makes you an asshole. Both distort your senses a bit, but alchohol you tend to not notice as much, so you do stupid things more. I'd say that's more cultural or personal than any inherent quality of alcohol. As in the acting like an asshole and not noticing thing? Not really, it's pretty much widely acknowledged that alchohol makes you an asshole and you don't know until awhile after. Also, hangovers.
SeriousCat wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 10:28 Simple, Because it makes you look Weed is legal over here (the netherlands), and nobody ends up like that. First of all, weed isn't expensive, so the chance of people getting homeless is VERY small. And weed doesn't fuck you up like harddrugs does, the only thing THC does (the main psychoactive substance found in cannabis/weed) is lower your sugar. Yes, eventually it will damage your brain a bit, but you won't look like that man, ever. In my opinion weed should be legalized over the whole world, people don't get crazy when being under influence of weed. All the people that can't handle alcohol and get all agressive, would be sitting on their chair, chilling, while smoking their joint, instead of fighting/yelling and whatever the fuck they do when they drink alcohol.
Muad Dib15 wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 10:18 Can someone give me a reason why it is illegal in the US. Not the controlled substance part from the gov, the actual reason behind that part. I can't really see any reason for it to be banned as it is basically like alcohol and the same rules can be applied to it. reefer madness told me it would turn you into a psycho rapist killer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reefer_Madness http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6696582420128930236# fun fact - Quote: In 1973, a young Karl Rove, then on his way to becoming the chairman of the College Republicans, suggested (in a memorandum to president Nixon's counselor Anne Armstrong) showing Reefer Madness at College Republican clubs as part of a strategy to raise support for the Republican party among students.
Dover wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 19:36 Crimson wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 15:30 I think I would trade weed for alcohol. Not that I partake in either activity but if people are going to put substances into their body to make them even more stupid, it might as well turn them into morons drooling on themselves rather than morons who fight, puke all over themselves, and drive cars recklessly. But then one could make the reverse arguement; "Why is alchohol illegal when it's just as safe as weed?", etc etc. It's either both or neither. Agreed, both or neither.
BLûεl4βêL wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 19:00 In my opinion weed should be legalized over the whole world, people don't get crazy when being under influence of weed. All the people that can't handle alcohol and get all agressive, would be sitting on their chair, chilling, while smoking their joint, instead of fighting/yelling and whatever the fuck they do when they drink alcohol. they're trying to thin the herd, so that's a horrible idea! who wants less drunk driving accidents and deaths related to alcohol? i know i sure don't, that would be god awful right?
GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 18:59 Dover wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 16:52 GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 16:39 Dover wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 18:36 Crimson wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 15:30 I think I would trade weed for alcohol. Not that I partake in either activity but if people are going to put substances into their body to make them even more stupid, it might as well turn them into morons drooling on themselves rather than morons who fight, puke all over themselves, and drive cars recklessly. But then one could make the reverse arguement; "Why is alchohol illegal when it's just as safe as weed?", etc etc. It's either both or neither. Statistically speaking, alchohol has destroyed WAY more lives than it has weed. Pot just makes you stupid and really calm pretty much, wheras alchohol just makes you an asshole. Both distort your senses a bit, but alchohol you tend to not notice as much, so you do stupid things more. I'd say that's more cultural or personal than any inherent quality of alcohol. As in the acting like an asshole and not noticing thing? Not really, it's pretty much widely acknowledged that alchohol makes you an asshole and you don't know until awhile after. Also, hangovers. Yeah, it's definitely not "cultural" or "personal". It's what's in the shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwDRBm-qbQI&feature=related
Let's not forget the fact that too much alcohol can kill you, while it's impossible to OD on weed.
nikki6ixx wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 18:43 It confounds me as to why marijuana is illegal because there is serious money to be made there. All government needs to do is regulate the stuff, and let the tobacco companies grow and produce it. Then tax the hell out of it, just like alcohol and cigs. Hopefully this does happen, because with all the kiddies not taking up smokes anymore, and with all these lawsuits, my tobacco shares seem a little bleak. arms industry shares > tobacco shares...dunno which ones leads to more time spent in purgatory, tho.
Glock~ wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 15:37 Let's not forget the fact that too much alcohol can kill you, while it's impossible to OD on weed. I don't think it's impossible- too much of anything is not good for you, but yes, you'd need SHITTONS more weed than almost any LEGAL drug (count the amount of suicides from NON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS..) out there. but nope, mary jane's vajayjay is the door to heroin and coke and terrible hard drugs therefore it needs to be banned.
GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 15:58 Glock~ wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 15:37 Let's not forget the fact that too much alcohol can kill you, while it's impossible to OD on weed. I don't think it's impossible- too much of anything is not good for you, but yes, you'd need SHITTONS more weed than almost any LEGAL drug (count the amount of suicides from NON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS..) out there. but nope, mary jane's vajayjay is the door to heroin and coke and terrible hard drugs therefore it needs to be banned. Yeah, marijuana isn't a gateway drug. It's just the people that are dealing the weed are usually tied up in trafficking other drugs. That's my theory anyway.
Glock~ wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 15:37 Let's not forget the fact that too much alcohol can kill you, while it's impossible to OD on weed. Oh it can, but you have to smoke several pounds of it in an hour. I forgot how much, but it's essentially impossible just given the volume of weed you have to smoke. Alcohol on the other hand is pretty damn easy to OD on.
Glock~ wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 19:32 GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 15:58 Glock~ wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 15:37 Let's not forget the fact that too much alcohol can kill you, while it's impossible to OD on weed. I don't think it's impossible- too much of anything is not good for you, but yes, you'd need SHITTONS more weed than almost any LEGAL drug (count the amount of suicides from NON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS..) out there. but nope, mary jane's vajayjay is the door to heroin and coke and terrible hard drugs therefore it needs to be banned. Yeah, marijuana isn't a gateway drug. It's just the people that are dealing the weed are usually tied up in trafficking other drugs. That's my theory anyway. Exactly, so people who are dealing illegally will be carrying OTHER illegal drugs, thus the person buying it will be given access to it, and since it's illegal anyway, at that point they won't give a shit. But if weed's legal, it's a whole 'nother story. Sure, the gateway shit might still be there a bit (AKA as little as it actually is), but it'll diminish and practically vanish.
I think it is illegal due to the pharmaceutical companies and other such companies involved in the drug/acohol business.
appshot wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 22:41 I think it is illegal due to the pharmaceutical companies and other such companies involved in the drug/acohol business. Don't take drugs kids! Pay for them like everyone else.
growing weed is far too easy so there would be too little tax revenue from it as people would just grow there own, also people should understand that hemp and marijuana are not exactly the same good news story from last month
I thought the big conspiracy behind it was because of the paper companies not the oil companies =p.
i basically see drugs as being like religion. if an adult wants to do it, they shouldn't be told they can't... but if it makes you do bad things, you aren't strong enough to handle it. and most importantly, kids ought to be protected from it.
Marijuana was originally outlawed in the United States due to pressure from Cotton and other industries that were rivaled by hemp production. They employed the use of racist propaganda to convince people it was bad. Today, it's illegal to keep the "war on drugs" running smoothly, and to keep private prisons full of non-violent offenders, so companies can get more of those delicious subsidy dollars. Who are some of the biggest supporters of the "war on drugs"? Prison companies. This documentary provides a pretty good look at the situation. TL;DR: it's all about money.
I personally see nothing wrong with allowing Weed to be Legalized, I don't think I will ever do it, might try it, but won't make it a habit. I know quite a number of people who smoke weed. I don't see them causing all those car accidents that drunks do.
yeah alcohol is definatly more dangerous all around, most of all in traffic its uncomparable, i can drive perfectly ok when stoned/high, but i wouldn't even think about driving around when i had some drinks and blue, NL will be alot more strict on weed/hash in the next few years, i see it being banned within the next 5 years
They're both dangerous, albeit in different ways. /Yes, yes, I know. "Weed is not teh dangerous lO1l1l" //Try researching it ///http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html ////One of many different opinions out there that differ from yours
Its pretty simple really. If it was legal we'd all grow it, I mean its not that particularly difficult. Back when I was in highschool I used to smoke weed and it got to a point where paying for it was just too expensive so I grew my own in the shed. Yeah you'd beable to goto shops and buy a pack of 10 for X dollars or you could just grow your own and the government wouldnt make any money from it. Oh and while yes drink is bad for you and it makes you do silly things, you're the one thats doing it. I go out every (I try anyways) Friday with friends/family down to the local and get pissed however I don't do anything stupid I just have a 'jolly' time, come home, drink a pint of water before bed and goto sleep. I dont smoke weed anymore and I havne't for god knows how many years but if it was legal I think I would actually smoke it again. I just cant be fucked now to go out and find a dealer and spend all that money.
Nobody makes a better strain than our governments yet it's still illegal How confusing.
Caveman wrote on Fri, 25 November 2011 12:20 get pissed Kinda off topic, but this expression always made me lol since its usage is different here in the US (it generally means "get angry" or the like). It makes me picture a guy walking into a bar, sitting down, and just getting really angry for no real reason.
First, I want to point out that I don't smoke or drink. If you take that to mean anything about me, you can ignore the rest of my post. (If you weren't going to already) Honestly, I don't think anything that can't be a direct cause of infringing on the rights of someone else has grounds to be banned regardless of how bad or unhealthy whatever it may be. Or, to put it another way... if you smoked some marijuana, are you violating the rights of someone else? No? Then why is it banned? I would like to point out, however, that I'm talking in principle. Obviously there are dangers of having everyone legally stoned out of there minds 24/7... but then that's where usage laws would have to come into play.
No. Because, unlike just merely using a substance on your own, when you are put in control of a machine with diminished mental capacity, you become a threat to the safety of others. It isn't about your rights anymore it's about the rights of everyone else around you. The way that you need to look at the law is not how it effects you, but how you effect those around you in respect to the law. For example, the Constitution isn't giving you, specifically the right to free speech. It is rather telling you to tolerate the free speech of others. If you tolerate my rights and I tolerate your rights, then everyone gets tolerated and everyone wins. However people don't look at it that way. Instead, they look at the law and see how it benefits them and how they can exploit what they are given to either A] gain more or B] put down others. It is a misconception because so many people say "This is MY right, now you have to respect that" while they fail to realize that the person they are talking to has the same rights as them. This is why so many people think they are "right" when they protest to ban things that they deem are unacceptable or inappropriate. (Violent video games would be a good example here)
Quote: For example, the Constitution isn't giving you, specifically the right to free speech. I don't care if you choose to smoke/drink or not. Once you start making retarded posts, this is when I start caring. Quote: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Try reading that, even once, before you use your asshole to type again. /Thanks in advance //Friends don't let friends post stupid shit ///This is your brain on retarded posts
Don't be daft... Read my entire point before assuming anything and responding to what you think I said... You're misunderstanding my point. I didn't mean it like that. I meant that you have to treat it like it isn't granting you, specifically, one out of 300million citizens, reader of the text the right but rather commanding you to grant the right unto others. And at the same time, they have to grant the right unto you. You ARE granted everything in the bill of rights and the rest of the Constitution. But that isn't my point. In fact, it is not even relevant to what I'm saying. It's granted already. The Constitution is just a piece of paper with writing on it. If it was destroyed, the country wouldn't be destroyed as well. That is why just reading text isn't going to dictate how people will behave. Which brings me back to what I was saying originally. You have to first understand the rights of other citizens before you understand the rights granted unto you. In theory, that's the ideal way that the Constitution should be read in order for the country to work the way it was intended. However, ideals alone aren't enough to sway the workings of a country and its people and that was my point.
Your pre-existing rights mean shit when you live in a nation that actively denies you those rights. The Constitution was one of the earliest (if not *the*) documents for a framework of government which put the inalienable rights of mankind into a discussion that didn't involve a king putting his boot on your face. Quote: ideals alone aren't enough to sway the workings of a country Teatards would like to have a word with you. Quote: NO NEW, KEEP OLD. PROGRESS IS BAD.
There shall be no words. Only screams.
Pot inhibits your ability to operate a car? Since when?
This topic gives me a virus.. no joke. some one fucking look at the html code or something. Some funky shit is going on. Only the first page though.
argathol3 wrote on Mon, 28 November 2011 14:15 Pot inhibits your ability to operate a car? Since when? I'm assuming this is facetiousness.
Pot doesn't make you bad at driving. It makes you think it makes you bad at driving.
nikki6ixx wrote on Mon, 28 November 2011 20:18 argathol3 wrote on Mon, 28 November 2011 14:15 Pot inhibits your ability to operate a car? Since when? I'm assuming this is facetiousness. Have some NORML.
Muad Dib15 wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 08:18 Can someone give me a reason why it is illegal in the US. Not the controlled substance part from the gov, the actual reason behind that part. I can't really see any reason for it to be banned as it is basically like alcohol and the same rules can be applied to it. yeah I see people selling alcohol on street corners and killing each other over it daily..not to mention being robbed just so some guy can buy some alcohol . be real weed /ganja /marijuana is just plain crap and realy will make you dopey.. on a side note move to spain I hear its legal for each person to own or grow 3 plants for their own use ?
asjfrpbhkeysmash wrote on Mon, 28 November 2011 21:41 nikki6ixx wrote on Mon, 28 November 2011 20:18 argathol3 wrote on Mon, 28 November 2011 14:15 Pot inhibits your ability to operate a car? Since when? I'm assuming this is facetiousness. Have some NORML. Again: Quote: A new study warns that driving under the influence of pot are almost 2x as likely to be involved in an automobile accident. The study is the first to focus solely on marijuana. http://www.bmj.com/press-releases/2012/02/09/acute-cannabis-consumption-and-moto r-vehicle-collision-risk http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000072980 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16961112 Pot impacts people's driving. Anyone saying it doesn't is being facetious. People who say pot doesn't affect their driving are like those who say using a cell-phone on the road doesn't impair them. It simply isn't true. Though, I have no position on whether it should lead to fines or impoundment like drunk-driving.