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To release Building Health Status with the Permission of the creator? not talking of cAmpa noob.
Chew wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 10:13 no, coz cheats/advantage Thats just a Discussion.
SeriousCat wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 16:19 Chew wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 10:13 no, coz cheats/advantage Thats just a Discussion. That is a ruling the mods/admins have made here... resulting in a 6 month ban for kill, then they said that was just an example... the next person to release this type of material will get a perma ban.
For reference: Goztow wrote on Sun, 18 October 2009 05:28 The renegade forums user known under the nickname "kill" has been banned for a period of 6 months for releasing a file that we have multiple times specified as being considered as a cheat. This means until the 18th of April 2010. Each time he tries to bypass this ban, we will add an extra period of one month to his ban period. I'm setting this as an example. We warned multiple times that we will not accept this release. If anyone else would like to do the same, they'll get a permanent ban as this warning should be very clear to everyone. I also want to express my disappointment towards jnz who made this possible. It's not because you found a girlfriend and stopped caring about Renegade that you should spread source code without thinking. It shows a lack of respect towards a lot of people in this community.
What about the Building Bars for your side only, though, out of curiosity?
whats the point of releasing the BB cheats? releasing it will just resolve in a permaban
Dreganius wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 16:56 What about the Building Bars for your side only, though, out of curiosity? Dont see any Enemy stuff... Thats why i ask...
It is considered an advantage because if you pay attention you know the second a building loses health, without having to constantly hit K, and when you hit K it covers your whole screen... could get you killed. Some other reasons also I am sure.
Admin policy is that any release cannot be allowed, because any release will be an alteration of Shaders.dll and/or Scripts.dll and therefore MUST be accompanied by source code (The "Stay free or die" clause of the GNU GPL, under which those DLLs are released), which can then be easily modified to NOT be as rule abiding as the original release. (Also, Chew has a point)
Yes or No? The only guy who will get the Source will be Reborn (he would get it from mrackz)
Are you publicly releasing it? If you answer yes, "any release will be an alteration of Shaders.dll and/or Scripts.dll and therefore MUST be accompanied by source code (The "Stay free or die" clause of the GNU GPL, under which those DLLs are released)"... Then it would prolly be removed because, "which can then be easily modified to NOT be as rule abiding as the original release"... If you plan to just give it to reborn, then there is no need to ask. Just wouldn't say anything publicly, as your PM's will prolly get disabled (if they haven't already, lol).
I dont have the Source, mrackz did code it he planned to release the HUD without the Source because it shows how to create Counters (for Characters and more) Health of Enemy stuff and more. If you want it to be released with source then it should get approved by the Administration. And my PM Box looks like this:
I am nearly positive the admins would not approve of such a release... With or without source.
THAT PM TITLED "lol" MUST HAVE THE BUILDING BARS IN THEM!!!1!!!!1!ONE! Edit: !11!!111!!!!!!!ONE1!1!!!!!
PM one: Quote: well, Big Grin lol PM two: Quote: nothing at all... i just lol'ed... why so serious? weird Guy.
THE ATTACHMENTSSSSSS!!1!1!11ONE!1!!111!ELEVEN!11!!!!!! By the way, I was being silly.
SeriousCat permanently banned for ban evading. Aka Mrackz, who was banned for trying and failing to DDOS renforums . Somehow you made it extremely easy for us, Mrackz. Same ISP, same writing style, same advantage HUD, referring to Mrackz yourself, ... Now please don't tell me you're his brother / best friend / cousin / goldfish... The release is not allowed because of the two reasons explained above: 1. it's a considerable advantage, even if you only have it enabled for your team. 2. you need to release the source code which would make it easy like hell to expand the modification to display the enemy team's building bars, providing you with the same advantage for enemy buildings.
if he says his goldfish did it then you can just say your goldfish banned him
While I appreciate the endorsement of trustworthyness, "releasing" the source code to me alone does not satisfy the license agreement, it has to be a public release. I'm not entirely sure why anyone would think that to be honest, I don't have anything to do with the license agreement other than being someone else who has to abide by it. I'm not the license creator, holder etc etc. People need to realise that the building bars are a cheat, and quite often they are not limited to only the building bars, but also the harvester too (which does not show up pressing 'k'). Even if you do not consider the building bars a cheat, then please respect the fact that these HUD's can be so easily manipulated and exploited to create cheats with the source code (which as explained, has to be released with the .dll files). People really need to be careful what they wish for. Iterating through buildings is only a stones throw away from iterating through players and vehicles. Once you have got the players/vehicles gameobject you can tell how far away they are, there health, there ammo etc etc. Sound familar to anyone? We're talking ESP from a well known renegade cheat, only 'better'. Not only that, get there object, and you can then very very easily create an aimbot. YAY! Custom aim bots for everyone! Soon you would have the aim bots flooding in, and they would end up being allot more sophisticated than the released version. You would have map overlays with the positions of every single player in the game on your screen, being able to anticipate every rush, or the best route to take... You would have no end up cheats made by people looking to increase there e-penis size. Please do not see the people distributing the HUD's as some type of super renegade hero to be admired. They are not oppressed feedom fighters or saviours to the game... Wake up people, for fucks sake! Also, I do not appreciate making a post in the spam forum. I feel all dirty now.
Moved to general discussion as this really ain't a spam post.
Goztow wrote on Tue, 20 October 2009 08:53 SeriousCat permanently banned for ban evading. Aka Mrackz, who was banned for trying and failing to DDOS renforums . Somehow you made it extremely easy for us, Mrackz. Same ISP, same writing style, same advantage HUD, referring to Mrackz yourself, ... Now please don't tell me you're his brother / best friend / cousin / goldfish... The release is not allowed because of the two reasons explained above: 1. it's a considerable advantage, even if you only have it enabled for your team. 2. you need to release the source code which would make it easy like hell to expand the modification to display the enemy team's building bars, providing you with the same advantage for enemy buildings. LoL. SeriousFat what a nick.
cAmpa wrote on Tue, 20 October 2009 03:29 Goztow wrote on Tue, 20 October 2009 08:53 SeriousCat permanently banned for ban evading. Aka Mrackz, who was banned for trying and failing to DDOS renforums . Somehow you made it extremely easy for us, Mrackz. Same ISP, same writing style, same advantage HUD, referring to Mrackz yourself, ... Now please don't tell me you're his brother / best friend / cousin / goldfish... The release is not allowed because of the two reasons explained above: 1. it's a considerable advantage, even if you only have it enabled for your team. 2. you need to release the source code which would make it easy like hell to expand the modification to display the enemy team's building bars, providing you with the same advantage for enemy buildings. LoL. SeriousFat what a nick. its:
reborn wrote on Tue, 20 October 2009 10:16 While I appreciate the endorsement of trustworthyness, "releasing" the source code to me alone does not satisfy the license agreement, it has to be a public release. I'm not entirely sure why anyone would think that to be honest, I don't have anything to do with the license agreement other than being someone else who has to abide by it. I'm not the license creator, holder etc etc. People need to realise that the building bars are a cheat, and quite often they are not limited to only the building bars, but also the harvester too (which does not show up pressing 'k'). Even if you do not consider the building bars a cheat, then please respect the fact that these HUD's can be so easily manipulated and exploited to create cheats with the source code (which as explained, has to be released with the .dll files). People really need to be careful what they wish for. Iterating through buildings is only a stones throw away from iterating through players and vehicles. Once you have got the players/vehicles gameobject you can tell how far away they are, there health, there ammo etc etc. Sound familar to anyone? We're talking ESP from a well known renegade cheat, only 'better'. Not only that, get there object, and you can then very very easily create an aimbot. YAY! Custom aim bots for everyone! Soon you would have the aim bots flooding in, and they would end up being allot more sophisticated than the released version. You would have map overlays with the positions of every single player in the game on your screen, being able to anticipate every rush, or the best route to take... You would have no end up cheats made by people looking to increase there e-penis size. Please do not see the people distributing the HUD's as some type of super renegade hero to be admired. They are not oppressed feedom fighters or saviours to the game... Wake up people, for fucks sake! Also, I do not appreciate making a post in the spam forum. I feel all dirty now. Harvester is in the list for me when I hold K. It even shows the health, and when it dies it disappears out of the list until it is back (and reappears in the list). Applies to the harvester of both teams. Always has been in the list for me
Perhaps I over-looked it. However, what I said stands.
Excellent response, Reborn. If it was released and subsequently modded, Renegade would lose all the qualities that make it a fun game.
Reborn though I know your intentions are good I think you are getting a little to specific. As soon as you say it can be done then people start to figure out how it can be done. Just because some have figured it out does not mean you should advertise it. If you are going to tell everyone what can be done then you might as well just save everyone some time and tell them how. But what do I know, I'm just a tool, right?
Perhaps you are correct, but what I said is common knowledge. It annoys me that people like DieHardNL, who is supposed to be a 'good guy' thinks he is some kind of super bad-ass for spreading it around. When really, he's a being a fool. But yeah, if someone feels it appropriate to remove my posts, I do not mind. I kinda think a little awareness might not hurt though, most people say it;s fine because they believe it's no big deal to see the buildings. If they know the true potential, then they would probably understand the position renegadeforums is taking.
Quote: (which does not show up pressing 'k'). It's up with the Renegade Resurrection Client.
I understand your frustration and concern. I also appreciate that you stand up and say something in the mitts of LOLER I HAZ A HUD CANZ I POST PL0X??//?/// - DATS CHETZ eRAGEEEEEEEEEE - I PM 2 U DEN OK N I eK0L. I'm just suggesting that you censor it a little more as to not give the n00blets ideas. I say we try this ... Did you know kids. If you look at the .dll source code you get AIDS? If you try to create an aimbot Renegade auto downloads gay porn? And last, if you use building bars you will grow up to be homosexual (hence the gay porn). (it could work)
I'm probably going to get laughed at, but what does DDOS mean?
Glock~ wrote on Tue, 20 October 2009 21:09 I'm probably going to get laughed at, but what does DDOS mean? It's a type of attack Generally flooding a server with requests so it can't handle them all, and crashes etc. Some other people here will give you a much better description.
LeeumDee wrote on Tue, 20 October 2009 15:12 Glock~ wrote on Tue, 20 October 2009 21:09 I'm probably going to get laughed at, but what does DDOS mean? It's a type of attack Generally flooding a server with requests so it can't handle them all, and crashes etc. Some other people here will give you a much better description. A distributed denial of service attack (DDoS) occurs when multiple systems flood the bandwidth or resources of a targeted system, usually one or more web servers. These systems are compromised by attackers using a variety of methods. Source: Wikipedia
@luv Wasn't this released to all the n00bstories mods anyway? Additionally, this has already been publically released elsewhere, do I don't know what all the fuss is about.
Read my sig for a good reason why you shouldn't even ask if it's allowed.
SoQRadio wrote on Tue, 20 October 2009 17:46 @luv Wasn't this released to all the n00bstories mods anyway? Additionally, this has already been publically released elsewhere, do I don't know what all the fuss is about. Okay, we'll see if luv's approach works... I can see you're clearly interested becoming a homo, or at the very least a little bi-curious. I must pause you here a moment and ask you consider the consequences of your path... If you go looking for AIDS, you'll find it. Please, I beg you... Don't be Gay.
reborn wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 00:33 SoQRadio wrote on Tue, 20 October 2009 17:46 @luv Wasn't this released to all the n00bstories mods anyway? Additionally, this has already been publically released elsewhere, do I don't know what all the fuss is about. Okay, we'll see if luv's approach works... I can see you're clearly interested becoming a homo, or at the very least a little bi-curious. I must pause you here a moment and ask you consider the consequences of your path... If you go looking for AIDS, you'll find it. Please, I beg you... Don't be Gay. Right on reborn Well done and put! Luv's never been to um....ya anyway. But ya its very easy to see what your saying and point well tooken,some *cough* oits just dont get it, (like big surprise there lol.)
SoQRadio wrote on Tue, 20 October 2009 23:46 @luv Wasn't this released to all the n00bstories mods anyway? Additionally, this has already been publically released elsewhere, do I don't know what all the fuss is about. *cough* *cheat name removed**cough*
cAmpa wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 09:54 Gozy got his Gozy uber cheats. Yeah... he uses the banhammer weapon which deals 10000 damage with a 5 mile splash radius...
danpaul88 wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 11:05 cAmpa wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 09:54 Gozy got his Gozy uber cheats. Yeah... he uses the banhammer weapon which deals 10,000,000 damage with a 5 mile splash radius... Fixed.
Another form member gone. Pretty soon no one is going be here to argue with...
R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 15:50 Another form member gone. Pretty soon no one is going be here to argue with... Whose gone? Madrackz again? Or Madrackz again?
Well, actually I didn't know he was gone in the first place.
LeeumDee wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 17:06 R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 15:50 Another form member gone. Pretty soon no one is going be here to argue with... Whose gone? Madrackz again? Or Madrackz again? No, MadSucks.
Can anyone explain whats DDOS and why should madrockz be banned because of that.
YazooGang wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 21:50 Can anyone explain whats DDOS and why should madrockz be banned because of that. DDOS floods the server with requists... or something like that, in short it made renforums unaccesable and he got banned
Thanks for teh explanation. Can someone also explain why the fuck scrin has been unbanned? Or was that another evasion? I saw a post from him yesterday.
Glock~ wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 21:09 Can someone also explain why the fuck scrin has been unbanned? Because he was never permbanned?
I personally don't have a problem with scrin/niko... he makes awesome stuff.
Chew wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 20:12 I personally don't have a problem with scrin/niko... he makes awesome stuff. i have no problems with madracks or scrin in my opinoin they are very nice and cool people wants you get to know them.
Good-One-Driver wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 21:44 Chew wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 20:12 I personally don't have a problem with scrin/niko... he makes awesome stuff. i have no problems with madracks or scrin in my opinoin they are very nice and cool people wants you get to know them. Jesus Christ, guys! It doesn't matter what they made! Can't you honestly see pass all that shit they hide behind?
C C_guy wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 00:45 reborn wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 00:33 SoQRadio wrote on Tue, 20 October 2009 17:46 @luv Wasn't this released to all the n00bstories mods anyway? Additionally, this has already been publically released elsewhere, do I don't know what all the fuss is about. Okay, we'll see if luv's approach works... I can see you're clearly interested becoming a homo, or at the very least a little bi-curious. I must pause you here a moment and ask you consider the consequences of your path... If you go looking for AIDS, you'll find it. Please, I beg you... Don't be Gay. Right on reborn Well done and put! Luv's never been to um....ya anyway. But ya its very easy to see what your saying and point well tooken,some *cough* oits just dont get it, (like big surprise there lol.) I lol'd kinda hard
Scrin was never banned permanently. He was banned for 1 month a while ago and didn't come back after that.
Good-One-Driver wrote on Thu, 22 October 2009 04:44 Chew wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 20:12 I personally don't have a problem with scrin/niko... he makes awesome stuff. i have no problems with madracks or scrin in my opinoin they are very nice and cool people wants you get to know them. ddosing is the worst and rudest thing what you can do in the internet. It's like in RL, you take a plane and fly into towers with it. I think 'very nice' and 'cool' is something different.
Damn those fucking coders. Sending any kind of code to reborn is completely stupid and never happens
cAmpa wrote on Thu, 22 October 2009 02:28 Good-One-Driver wrote on Thu, 22 October 2009 04:44 Chew wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 20:12 I personally don't have a problem with scrin/niko... he makes awesome stuff. i have no problems with madracks or scrin in my opinoin they are very nice and cool people wants you get to know them. ddosing is the worst and rudest thing what you can do in the internet. It's like in RL, you take a plane and fly into towers with it. I think 'very nice' and 'cool' is something different. Scrin is shit.
I would act serious if i had his talent. Negative stuff are stonger than positive. So if you do a negative thing at the same time when your dont a positive thing, the person will remmeber the negative much better. So, i would not show off, dont hack, if i show my work, i would actualy release or just not tease people about. Actualy what i think is that renegade orignal skins, models ect are fine the way they are, i just dont want my ren look so fancy like that.
YazooGang wrote on Thu, 22 October 2009 19:55 I would act serious if i had his talent. Negative stuff are stonger than positive. So if you do a negative thing at the same time when your dont a positive thing, the person will remmeber the negative much better. So, i would not show off, dont hack, if i show my work, i would actualy release or just not tease people about. Sense that makes no?
Personally, I wouldn't mind having that HUD thing, would love to try it out and test it.
If I can't, and anyone else can't release any modified hud code. Why is it that anyone related to BHS can? :/
jnz wrote on Fri, 23 October 2009 07:23 If I can't, and anyone else can't release any modified hud code. Why is it that anyone related to BHS can? :/ Who is releasing HUD code then?
jnz wrote on Fri, 23 October 2009 13:23 If I can't, and anyone else can't release any modified hud code. Why is it that anyone related to BHS can? :/ Not on these forums AFAIK.
Goztow wrote on Fri, 23 October 2009 12:26 jnz wrote on Fri, 23 October 2009 13:23 If I can't, and anyone else can't release any modified hud code. Why is it that anyone related to BHS can? :/ Not on these forums AFAIK. The shaders.dll code contains code no diffrent to what I and madracks wrote. The 3.4.4 hud is actually (if used with hud.ini), a custom hud.
andr3w282 wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 01:28 can i release code nao
It has been released by mracks at another forum, I won't say which, but upon visiting that forum I noticed a few familiar names from here.
Chew wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 13:09 It has been released by mracks at another forum, I won't say which, but upon visiting that forum I noticed a few familiar names from here. It's A Path Beyond Forums, right? Apparently even Renegade modifications aren't immune from his shitty bloom.
nikki6ixx wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 13:17 Chew wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 13:09 It has been released by mracks at another forum, I won't say which, but upon visiting that forum I noticed a few familiar names from here. It's A Path Beyond Forums, right? Apparently even Renegade modifications aren't immune from his shitty bloom. That is not where I saw it at, but the only reason I knew where it was os because I seen him in a server the other day and he was pm'ing me about it.
Chew wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 13:34 nikki6ixx wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 13:17 Chew wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 13:09 It has been released by mracks at another forum, I won't say which, but upon visiting that forum I noticed a few familiar names from here. It's A Path Beyond Forums, right? Apparently even Renegade modifications aren't immune from his shitty bloom. That is not where I saw it at, but the only reason I knew where it was os because I seen him in a server the other day and he was pm'ing me about it. So Madrackz is just going around giving away his HUD? Why?
For the same reason he DDOS'es renforums. Because he's an ass.
Goztow wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 14:01 For the same reason he DDOS'es renforums. Because he's an ass. He actually wanted me to tell Gozy about it for lols.
nikki6ixx wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 11:43 Chew wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 13:34 nikki6ixx wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 13:17 Chew wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 13:09 It has been released by mracks at another forum, I won't say which, but upon visiting that forum I noticed a few familiar names from here. It's A Path Beyond Forums, right? Apparently even Renegade modifications aren't immune from his shitty bloom. That is not where I saw it at, but the only reason I knew where it was os because I seen him in a server the other day and he was pm'ing me about it. So Madrackz is just going around giving away his HUD? Why? Oh, nikki. What's the reason anyone ever brings up HUDs on renforums?
Chew wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 21:34 Goztow wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 14:01 For the same reason he DDOS'es renforums. Because he's an ass. He actually wanted me to tell Gozy about it for lols. I'm always surprised by the fact people think I care about what they do on other forums than this one...
Dover wrote on Tue, 27 October 2009 07:05 nikki6ixx wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 11:43 Chew wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 13:34 nikki6ixx wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 13:17 Chew wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 13:09 It has been released by mracks at another forum, I won't say which, but upon visiting that forum I noticed a few familiar names from here. It's A Path Beyond Forums, right? Apparently even Renegade modifications aren't immune from his shitty bloom. That is not where I saw it at, but the only reason I knew where it was os because I seen him in a server the other day and he was pm'ing me about it. So Madrackz is just going around giving away his HUD? Why? Oh, nikki. What's the reason anyone ever brings up HUDs on renforums? ^.^
cAmpa wrote on Tue, 27 October 2009 02:03 Dover wrote on Tue, 27 October 2009 07:05 nikki6ixx wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 11:43 Chew wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 13:34 nikki6ixx wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 13:17 Chew wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 13:09 It has been released by mracks at another forum, I won't say which, but upon visiting that forum I noticed a few familiar names from here. It's A Path Beyond Forums, right? Apparently even Renegade modifications aren't immune from his shitty bloom. That is not where I saw it at, but the only reason I knew where it was os because I seen him in a server the other day and he was pm'ing me about it. So Madrackz is just going around giving away his HUD? Why? Oh, nikki. What's the reason anyone ever brings up HUDs on renforums? ^.^ im sorry but the graphic and the detail of this discussion is to funny !!! once again renegade forums gets a five star for being the funniest xD !!!