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The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: what i'm about to reveal is certainly not the worst stain on the anti-pointsfix-crowd's pants, but it's probably the funniest. quick summary of what happened. - discussion took place on renegadeforums about whether each community should have the choice whether to use the pointsfix or not. - spoony says they should. TT says they should. tildeth says they should. trouble is tildeth was lying through his teeth, he actually opposes the idea - he proved it in the case of clanwars.cc. i shall be specific here. the rightful admin+league owner - that's me - decided i wanted to use the pointsfix in the clan ladder. i went to great lengths to encourage debate on the subject. unfortunately a few individuals had other ideas. they couldn't debate the actual subject at all, so instead they resorted to character assassination, endlessly lying to everyone to try to influence opinion, outright disregarding and even subverting the wishes of the duly appointed renadmin, and most crucially, lying to the server hosts to try to get the pointsfix removed - because they knew honesty wouldn't get the job done. later, i tried again to get the pointsfix implemented, this time in its full incarnation - i.e. with the vehicle-alignment fix - and the community outright refused to even try it. later still, they lied about this saying they DID test it. now, you can take one of two sides here. you can -a- side with the duly appointed renadmin and rightful owner of the league in his league decisions, or you can -b- support the people (all of whom had really shitty reputations when it comes to actually following the rules) who resorted to such despicable tactics to subvert the admin's wishes. if it's -b-, and it was -b- in tildeth's case, well, that's your opinion. but it proves four things. 1. you don't place the slightest value on honesty or mature debate. 2. you don't place the slightest value on fair play (again, pretty much everyone involved in the above behaviour has some rap sheet or other) 3. …
creator: Spoony
date: 2009-10-02T20:08:56-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: tl;dr Okay, so now I skimmed through it, and I pose this question to you: who the hell do you think would even care about this?
creator: Ethenal
date: 2009-10-02T21:11:00-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: stop referring to yourself in the third person, it's creepy.
creator: nope.avi
date: 2009-10-02T21:13:29-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: This Teldeth dude sounds like an idiot. It's also clear from the other topic that he avoids and dodges the issue like Spoony when confronted by Troopm02 for a 1v1 (sorry Spoony ).
creator: reborn
date: 2009-10-02T21:24:21-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: Here's something to think about spoony. I'm not against you either so don't take this wrong. He doesn't like the pointfix/patch. Apparently he goes out of the way to not use it. You give him 2 options. Either it's mandatory or it's an option to be turned on. What would you pick? As you see, "leave it out it sucks" isn't an option, so for his preferences he choses make it an option witch he then has to support since it's the only option that goes toward his personal gain. So it's not that he wants the server owners to have the choice. It's the only option given that has his goal involved. So in his opinion it would be the lesser of the 2 evils. Hope this translation of someone hopelessly defending his anti poinfix stance to english makes sense.
creator: kadoosh
date: 2009-10-02T21:33:34-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: I really like the idea of servers counting their worth on the ladder based on how pure they are. Will make more sense in the chaotic types of servers available now. I played in a popular modded server which counts in the current ladder but it has a crapload of bots. You basically cannot sneak without some fag bot headshoting you. Plus you are allowed to call in 3 refill crates by paradrops anytime. Even when you are standing in front of the enemy building's MCT! Easy building kill...takes no skill whatsoever. Many elements of "normal" C&C Mode is missing here yet people get the same ladder points for playing there just as they would in a pure server. Now I think it's a bit unfair considering sneaking is totally ruled out (thanks to aforementioned bots) and refill crates by paradrops are absurd! And yet to play there and get same ladder points seems wrong to me. I mean a player sneaking in a pure server on Canyon and beaconing the Ref counts more than a player in such modded servers able to sneak in, lay the beacon, and call in paradropped Ramjet bots for reinforcement to cover that beacon! So this ladder idea based on "strategic" servers is really really quite nice.
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2009-10-02T22:14:56-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: Spoony, you and tildeth we're talking in a topic that didn't pertain to anything relevant to pointsfix. I don't know why you two posted in there randomly, and I don't care. I just deleted the posts by both of you and you think I'm covering something up. Yes, I'm covering up something that's posted publicly here on renforums. I don't even read your posts, it's pretty clear what they are and I don't care to waste 10 minutes of my life reading more of your junk. BTW for anyone who needs a link. http://www.jelly-server.com/nuke/modules.php?name=FUDForums&file=index&t =msg&th=13498&prevloaded=1&S=5f678a15a0ba9c55dbccd78461dee2ea&st art=30 Prul3z wrote on Tue, 23 June 2009 14:23 Just throwing in a simple question here: How much longer do you expect Renegade, as a whole, to survive? This means, howmuch longer do you think the amount of players will be high enough to keep playing this game? Discuss. The topic was about Renegade's survival. And Spoony, I wasn't around or don't remember anything about clear cheating. The last person I remember was JR or one of his buddies using BH against me. After that I didn't really play much in the way of CW's or didn't pay much attention to shit going on. I may have been told at one point or read something, but I don't remember.
creator: Homey
date: 2009-10-02T22:52:04-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: Points fix / no points fix. It really makes no difference to me. The changes are minuscule at best.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2009-10-03T00:09:25-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: No one at Jelly cares what happened at cw.cc or what clearsh0t has to say on the issue.. why should ANYONE at Jelly condemn him if they don't care?
creator: raven
date: 2009-10-03T01:46:54-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: kadoosh wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 16:33 Here's something to think about spoony. I'm not against you either so don't take this wrong. He doesn't like the pointfix/patch. Apparently he goes out of the way to not use it. You give him 2 options. Either it's mandatory or it's an option to be turned on. What would you pick? As you see, "leave it out it sucks" isn't an option, so for his preferences he choses make it an option witch he then has to support since it's the only option that goes toward his personal gain. So it's not that he wants the server owners to have the choice. It's the only option given that has his goal involved. So in his opinion it would be the lesser of the 2 evils. Hope this translation of someone hopelessly defending his anti poinfix stance to english makes sense. there's no defending him here. if he wants the pointsfix to simply not exist and for communities to NOT be able to use it, let him be uncharacteristically honest and just say so. he showed a rare flash of honesty when he said he wanted the TT ladder to be less fair, shame that didn't last. if he wants the pointsfix utterly destroyed, well, that's his opinion. but instead he says: i support the idea of each community choosing whether to use it. trouble is he's lying through his teeth when he says this. he is fundamentally opposed to the idea. Homey wrote Spoony, you and tildeth we're talking in a topic that didn't pertain to anything relevant to pointsfix. I don't know why you two posted in there randomly, and I don't care. spoony wrote homey tried to justify this coverup by saying it was all off topic. i must admit, i always respected homey, but this is indefensible. this poll is INCREDIBLY relevant to the pointsfix debate, as far as the jelly community goes. why? because "most of us don't like the pointsfix" is the only argument they've presented which hadn't been conclusively debunked. excuse me, but if "most of us don't like the pointsfix" is "random" and "not relevant to the poin…
creator: Spoony
date: 2009-10-03T02:30:11-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: He doesn't speak on behalf of Jelly. He speaks for himself.. why should I care if he lies or not? I don't care if you lie. It's not like he does anything as a moderator anyhow, and shouldn't even be on the modlist (but that's just my opinion) For the record, I personally support the points fix. My community, however, does not, therefore I have to advocate on behalf of my community's want and make sure that there is an option to switch the fix on/off (at the very least).
creator: raven
date: 2009-10-03T02:47:28-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: raven wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 22:47 He doesn't speak on behalf of Jelly. He speaks for himself.. why should I care if he lies or not? I don't care if you lie. I don't believe you. I simply do not believe you. I think the roof would be raised if I did what clearshot did. Look how hostile people in your community - including many moderators and admins - are towards me because I use the fucking QUOTE FUNCTION. Now imagine their murderous rage if I pulled a clearshot... ...if you really wouldn't care, you're in the extreme minority. raven wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 22:47 For the record, I personally support the points fix. My community, however, does not, therefore I have to advocate on behalf of my community's want and make sure that there is an option to switch the fix on/off (at the very least). um, TT and myself have said over and over and over again that we think this option should be there too, no matter how disgusting the tactics of the anti-pointsfix crowd in getting what they want, and no matter how many of them DON'T want this choice to exist at all. it's amazing how often i get told at jelly to "stop trying to force the pointsfix onto us". this is a conclusion that can only be reached if you simply don't read a damn word i say. and yet when PLENTY of your community try to force the pointsbug onto people, there's not a damn word of condemnation. so don't act like there's anything wrong with someone trying to force the pointsfix onto you, because your silence in the opposite situation says more than you want it to.
creator: Spoony
date: 2009-10-03T02:55:37-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: I still haven't even seen this poll, nor do I care. We had one 3 months ago here, did we not? Wasn't it 50-50 ish? That's enough for me. I didn't say anything because I wasn't reading it because I haven't been involved in the CW community in several years. It really wasn't interesting to me. I still don't see how I was covering anything up, from what I could tell you two were arguing on some other topic, which I assume was here in one of the sections, and some of if spilled over into the topic on Jelly. All I did was delete it because it was in the wrong place, it's not some conspiracy.
creator: Homey
date: 2009-10-03T03:01:05-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: Homey wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 22:01 I still haven't even seen this poll, nor do I care. I still don't see how I was covering anything up, from what I could tell you two were arguing on some other topic, which I assume was here in one of the sections, and some of if spilled over into the topic on Jelly. All I did was delete it because it was in the wrong place, it's not some conspiracy. and yet it clearly wasn't in the wrong place at all. how do you explain the absolutely staggering number of truly worthless posts on those debate threads that you DIDN'T delete? i shouldn't have to spell this out. go read the original ladder thread; there was a grand total of one person on the anti-pointsfix side who actually debated the issue maturely. everyone else just resorted to the usual insults and character assassination your community subjects me to every time they're furious at losing an argument and want to shift the humiliation somehow. and if clearshot's nonsense was sufficiently irrelevant that it wasn't interesting to you and raven didn't care either, this begs the question why didn't you delete any of THAT? (the answer's obvious - he's on the anti-pointsfix side, and the person he was attacking was pro-pointsfix. so it doesn't matter if he cheats, doesn't matter if he lies again and again and again to make the other person look bad. like i said, you can get away with any bullshit you lie if you're on the anti-pointsfix crowd, but if you're pro-pointsfix you get treated with contempt despite doing absolutely nothing wrong.) but oh no. when there's a vote about the pointsfix and your side CATASTROPHICALLY loses, it is immediately - IMMEDIATELY, homey - deleted. and when i explain what actually happened, that's IMMEDIATELY deleted too. you're either up to your neck in this or you're pathetically incompetent at what you're trying to do.
creator: Spoony
date: 2009-10-03T03:07:01-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 21:55 I don't believe you. I simply do not believe you. I think the roof would be raised if I did what clearshot did. Look how hostile people in your community - including many moderators and admins - are towards me because I use the fucking QUOTE FUNCTION. Now imagine their murderous rage if I pulled a clearshot... ...if you really wouldn't care, you're in the extreme minority. Spoony, I can honestly say that I wouldn't care. I don't get wrapped up too much in a game I'm not into that whole lynch Spoony because he is Spoony deal. Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 21:55 um, TT and myself have said over and over and over again that we think this option should be there too, no matter how disgusting the tactics of the anti-pointsfix crowd in getting what they want, and no matter how many of them DON'T want this choice to exist at all. Yep, I know. I'm happy to see there will be a choice as it should put an end to all this arguing bullshit. Keyword there is *should* Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 21:55 it's amazing how often i get told at jelly to "stop trying to force the pointsfix onto us". this is a conclusion that can only be reached if you simply don't read a damn word i say. To be honest, I was anti-pointsfix BEFORE I took the time to actually read the arguments for it. It convinced me that the pointsfix does actually make sense.
creator: raven
date: 2009-10-03T03:24:40-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: raven wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 22:24 Spoony, I can honestly say that I wouldn't care. I don't get wrapped up too much in a game I'm not into that whole lynch Spoony because he is Spoony deal. like i said, you're in the extreme minority if this is the case. raven wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 22:24 Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 21:55 um, TT and myself have said over and over and over again that we think this option should be there too, no matter how disgusting the tactics of the anti-pointsfix crowd in getting what they want, and no matter how many of them DON'T want this choice to exist at all. Yep, I know. I'm happy to see there will be a choice as it should put an end to all this arguing bullshit. Keyword there is *should* actually, if you remember, i predicted that it wouldn't, and i turned out to be absolutely 100% accurate. it doesn't matter how many concessions you make to the anti-pointsfix crowd... they're the most unappeasable group since the late 30's
creator: Spoony
date: 2009-10-03T03:49:43-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: ahh so this is where the topic continues.. pretty good
creator: BLÃ»Îµl4Î²êL
date: 2009-10-03T06:16:19-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 22:49 it doesn't matter how many concessions you make to the anti-pointsfix crowd... they're the most unappeasable group since the late 30's in joetorp's case he's a part of both
creator: liquidv2
date: 2009-10-03T07:05:55-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 23:08 what i'm about to reveal is certainly not the worst stain on the anti-pointsfix-crowd's pants, but it's probably the funniest. quick summary of what happened. - discussion took place on renegadeforums about whether each community should have the choice whether to use the pointsfix or not. - spoony says they should. TT says they should. tildeth says they should. trouble is tildeth was lying through his teeth, he actually opposes the idea - he proved it in the case of clanwars.cc. i shall be specific here. the rightful admin+league owner - that's me - decided i wanted to use the pointsfix in the clan ladder. i went to great lengths to encourage debate on the subject. unfortunately a few individuals had other ideas. they couldn't debate the actual subject at all, so instead they resorted to character assassination, endlessly lying to everyone to try to influence opinion, outright disregarding and even subverting the wishes of the duly appointed renadmin, and most crucially, lying to the server hosts to try to get the pointsfix removed - because they knew honesty wouldn't get the job done. later, i tried again to get the pointsfix implemented, this time in its full incarnation - i.e. with the vehicle-alignment fix - and the community outright refused to even try it. later still, they lied about this saying they DID test it. now, you can take one of two sides here. you can -a- side with the duly appointed renadmin and rightful owner of the league in his league decisions, or you can -b- support the people (all of whom had really shitty reputations when it comes to actually following the rules) who resorted to such despicable tactics to subvert the admin's wishes. if it's -b-, and it was -b- in tildeth's case, well, that's your opinion. but it proves four things. 1. you don't place the slightest value on honesty or mature debate. 2. you don't place the slightest value on fair play (again, pretty much everyone involved in the above…
creator: archerman
date: 2009-10-03T16:48:20-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: As it's highly unfair towards Spoony that his topic gets send to the spam forum because people post spam images in it, I split the ontopic part back to the heated discussion subforum. I'd like to ask all of the image spammers to GTFO.
creator: Goztow
date: 2009-10-05T07:07:51-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: archerman wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 11:48 Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 23:08 what i'm about to reveal is certainly not the worst stain on the anti-pointsfix-crowd's pants, but it's probably the funniest. quick summary of what happened. - discussion took place on renegadeforums about whether each community should have the choice whether to use the pointsfix or not. - spoony says they should. TT says they should. tildeth says they should. trouble is tildeth was lying through his teeth, he actually opposes the idea - he proved it in the case of clanwars.cc. i shall be specific here. the rightful admin+league owner - that's me - decided i wanted to use the pointsfix in the clan ladder. i went to great lengths to encourage debate on the subject. unfortunately a few individuals had other ideas. they couldn't debate the actual subject at all, so instead they resorted to character assassination, endlessly lying to everyone to try to influence opinion, outright disregarding and even subverting the wishes of the duly appointed renadmin, and most crucially, lying to the server hosts to try to get the pointsfix removed - because they knew honesty wouldn't get the job done. later, i tried again to get the pointsfix implemented, this time in its full incarnation - i.e. with the vehicle-alignment fix - and the community outright refused to even try it. later still, they lied about this saying they DID test it. now, you can take one of two sides here. you can -a- side with the duly appointed renadmin and rightful owner of the league in his league decisions, or you can -b- support the people (all of whom had really shitty reputations when it comes to actually following the rules) who resorted to such despicable tactics to subvert the admin's wishes. if it's -b-, and it was -b- in tildeth's case, well, that's your opinion. but it proves four things. 1. you don't place the slightest value on honesty or mature debate. 2. you don't place the slightest value on fair play (aga…
creator: Altzan
date: 2009-10-05T12:46:22-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 22:30 kadoosh wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 16:33 Here's something to think about spoony. I'm not against you either so don't take this wrong. He doesn't like the pointfix/patch. Apparently he goes out of the way to not use it. You give him 2 options. Either it's mandatory or it's an option to be turned on. What would you pick? As you see, "leave it out it sucks" isn't an option, so for his preferences he choses make it an option witch he then has to support since it's the only option that goes toward his personal gain. So it's not that he wants the server owners to have the choice. It's the only option given that has his goal involved. So in his opinion it would be the lesser of the 2 evils. Hope this translation of someone hopelessly defending his anti poinfix stance to english makes sense. there's no defending him here. I wasn't intentionally defending him here. Just as I did for you when you expressed your lack of motivation to translate German to English in 5 seconds, I translated a Hopeless Person Trying to Defend his anti Pointfix stance to English. Spoony wrote if he wants the pointsfix to simply not exist and for communities to NOT be able to use it, let him be uncharacteristically honest and just say so. he showed a rare flash of honesty when he said he wanted the TT ladder to be less fair, shame that didn't last. In the thread that was, for some reason, started in a Public part of the forums instead of the Server owners part of the forum there were only 2 options. Make it Mandatory or Make it an option. He hates Pointsfix with a passion. If you had the option of "Fuck it, it sucks" he probably would have gone with that. Since it was in a public part of the forum he chose to support a side that had what he wants in it. Make it an option. This way he can go to the servers that he plays in and request they turn it off. Spoony wrote if he wants the pointsfix utterly destroyed, well, that's his opinion. but instead he says:…
creator: kadoosh
date: 2009-10-05T18:09:46-00:00

Re: The Pointsfix, Tildeth's poll, Homey, and the Jelly community
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description: kadoosh wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 13:09 Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 22:30 kadoosh wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 16:33 Here's something to think about spoony. I'm not against you either so don't take this wrong. He doesn't like the pointfix/patch. Apparently he goes out of the way to not use it. You give him 2 options. Either it's mandatory or it's an option to be turned on. What would you pick? As you see, "leave it out it sucks" isn't an option, so for his preferences he choses make it an option witch he then has to support since it's the only option that goes toward his personal gain. So it's not that he wants the server owners to have the choice. It's the only option given that has his goal involved. So in his opinion it would be the lesser of the 2 evils. Hope this translation of someone hopelessly defending his anti poinfix stance to english makes sense. there's no defending him here. I wasn't intentionally defending him here. Just as I did for you when you expressed your lack of motivation to translate German to English in 5 seconds, I translated a Hopeless Person Trying to Defend his anti Pointfix stance to English. Spoony wrote if he wants the pointsfix to simply not exist and for communities to NOT be able to use it, let him be uncharacteristically honest and just say so. he showed a rare flash of honesty when he said he wanted the TT ladder to be less fair, shame that didn't last. In the thread that was, for some reason, started in a Public part of the forums instead of the Server owners part of the forum there were only 2 options. Make it Mandatory or Make it an option. He hates Pointsfix with a passion. If you had the option of "Fuck it, it sucks" he probably would have gone with that. Since it was in a public part of the forum he chose to support a side that had what he wants in it. Make it an option. This way he can go to the servers that he plays in and request they turn it off. Spoony wrote if he wants the pointsfix utterly destroyed, we…
creator: Tildeth
date: 2009-10-07T02:42:07-00:00