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Tildeth wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 00:59 I'm just saying that it's going to affect the number of players in the servers running the fix, hence, my distaste for it. What about that don't you understand? Evidently everything, because every time I try and make you aware of these facts you go off raging about how unethical the entire clanwars league was for jumping out of their tank at the last second LOL. Once again, you simply don't read my posts... either that or they're too painful for you to confront. I've simply proven you were LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH when you said you support the idea of each community choosing whether to use the pointsfix or not. That's right. LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH. The clanwars situation proved where you really stand about each community's individual choice: you oppose it. The only way you can argue otherwise is by repudiating everything you've said on this subject. This means two things. 1. respect me, the rightful renadmin and league owner, in my wishes to use the pointsfix in the clanwars league. 2. condemn the despicable actions of people like simpee, clearshot, mikey, etc. who continually lied about the situation to influence opinion, who resorted to character assassination when they couldn't think of a real argument, who disregarded and subverted the wishes of the person who hosted the league for them, and who lied to the server hosts to get what they wanted because they knew honesty wouldn't work. this ^^ is what you have to say if you want anyone to believe you support the idea of each community having a choice, pointsfix or pointsbug. if you don't repudiate your earlier position (that of clanwars) we must assume you still hold this position, which is IN DIRECT OPPOSITION to each community having its own choice. and if you still hold this position, it means four things. 1. you place no value at all upon honesty (although we knew that anyway). 2. you have no respect for fair play, since every single person who was involved with this bullshit at clanwars has a shitty track record when it comes to fairness. 3. you have zero respect for the only person who could be bothered hosting a clan league for you - you think cheaters and pointpushers and rulebreakers ought to be able to subvert him just as long as their views on the pointsfix are similar to yours. 4. you oppose the very idea of each community's individual choice of whether to use the pointsfix. Tildeth wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 00:59 And don't worry, I made the poll. yes, clearly you know how badly you're losing this argument so you change the subject to something that is totally irrelevant. "YEAH WELL MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE POINTSFIX!" well even if that's true (and the evidence is against you on this) so what? if we're giving servers the choice, some will use the pointsfix, some won't, and everybody's happy, right? (the one fly in the ointment, of course, is the jelly-games sleeperhold on the game listings, which shits all over your credibility whenever you talk about "most players" and, indeed, "dictators") but you want a headcount, do you? ok, fine. but let's count it FAIRLY, shall we? first, let's give the pointsfix the unique control over renegade the pointsbug has had for SIX YEARS. then, let's treat anyone advocating the pointsbug with the contempt people like you have shown me, for no reason. then, let's make it so the advocates of the pointsfix use the same appalling tactics the pointsbug supporters have used, thereby shitting all over their own credibility at every turn. Then, the two positions will be equivalent, so then the poll would be fair. can you imagine that? imagine if the situation were reversed, if the bug never existed and the points system was the one westwood actually designed. imagine if someone - you, for example - came along and advocated the points bug. imagine how the conversation would go. tildeth: "hi, i've come up with an improvement to the points system" spoony: "go on..." tildeth: "you can get points for shooting stuff you don't damage!" spoony: "why...?" tildeth: "i don't know." spoony: "so... will this happen against everything, then?" tildeth: "DUHH! NO, NOT EVERYTHING! just vehicles." spoony: "uh, why just vehicles? why not buildings and infantry too if this is the way your mind is working?" tildeth: "i don't know. by the way, it won't happen all the time. just when the vehicles have green health." spoony: "....why? why not when they have red/yellow health if this is what you're thinking?" tildeth: "again, i don't know." spoony: "this concept of yours... was that supposed to happen, do you think...? i mean, is it what westwood were thinking?" tildeth: "no." spoony: "will this make the economy system more strategic?" tildeth: "no, quite the opposite actually." spoony: "is this gonna make people better players?" tildeth: "hell no, people will waste time shooting tanks ineffectually instead of actually doing something useful like damaging the enemy or repairing their base." spoony: "does it make the game fairer?" tildeth: "no, if anything it makes the game less fair. nod will have a hell of a time winning maps like field and under. it also will mean that defensive play will be rewarded over aggressive play" spoony: "um.... maybe you think it'll be easier for new players?" tildeth: "no, in fact it makes a simple points system a lot harder to understand." spoony: "sorry bud, but i'm not seeing how your idea makes any sense AT ALL..." tildeth: "me neither." spoony: "so... in what sense is this an 'improvement'?" (embarrassed silence) tellsson wrote only coz 1 mod and an old reg treated you doesnt mean that the whole jelly staff act like this. you did see that clearly as the mod got demoded. i guess you don't read that many posts on the jelly forum, huh? i wasn't talking about joetorp. i get treated with more contempt than most cheaters, despite the fact i've done absolutely nothing wrong, and in fact have gone to great lengths to stick up for the interests of people who don't like the pointsfix, no matter how appallingly they treat me. and i'm not talking about just a couple of people. i'm talking about the MAJORITY of the moderators and the MAJORITY of the admins.
Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 10:52 tellsson wrote only coz 1 mod and an old reg treated you doesnt mean that the whole jelly staff act like this. you did see that clearly as the mod got demoded. i guess you don't read that many posts on the jelly forum, huh? i wasn't talking about joetorp. i get treated with more contempt than most cheaters, despite the fact i've done absolutely nothing wrong, and in fact have gone to great lengths to stick up for the interests of people who don't like the pointsfix, no matter how appallingly they treat me. and i'm not talking about just a couple of people. i'm talking about the MAJORITY of the moderators and the MAJORITY of the admins. yer sure... i dont need to read the jelly forum, i`m only a jelly mod for ages i thought we talked about the pointmod, and the pointmod isnt inserted in the forum. did you forgot?? its a game option. if the ppls flame you in the forum, then its a forum thing. and this has nothing to do with the player-loss ingame. you can see it here. i almost bet this topic get locked, coz you provocate a flame-war against you. tell me, what has my answer from another topic to do with this topic?? you provocate an answer, and so you can say: oh.. me is poor boy.. nobody likes me, all flames at me... thats a really cheap tactic/strategy. stop that bullshit, and ppls will perhaps act normal and stop with flaming you. greetz telly ^^
Moved this to heated discussions so you can continue your discussion here if wanted. No need to keep it in the TT forum.
tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 04:12 yer sure... i dont need to read the jelly forum, i`m only a jelly mod for ages And you think the only person there treating me unfairly is Joetorp, do you? tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 04:12 i thought we talked about the pointmod, and the pointmod isnt inserted in the forum. did you forgot?? its a game option. if the ppls flame you in the forum, then its a forum thing. and this has nothing to do with the player-loss ingame. We were talking about why the player count dropped. This DIDN'T happen to n00bstories, and n00bstories still seems to get more players - even now, after this whole exodus business, even though jelly still has its chokehold on the game listings. i simply pointed out that there might be a bit more to it than that... tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 04:12 you provocate an answer, and so you can say: oh.. me is poor boy.. nobody likes me, all flames at me... thats a really cheap tactic/strategy. stop that bullshit, and ppls will perhaps act normal and stop with flaming you. greetz telly ^^ stop what? what have i done wrong, which would justify the disgusting way the majority of the jelly moderators and admins have treated me for some time? don't dodge this question, answer it or admit you can't answer it. i'm treated with more public contempt than msgtpain for fuck's sake.
Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 11:24 stop what? what have i done wrong, which would justify the disgusting way the majority of the jelly moderators and admins have treated me for some time? don't dodge this question, answer it or admit you can't answer it. well, thats easy to answer. just read your posts and replies and you can see why. your only luck is that my english is to bad to write such essays like you do. i could type it in german, but then the majority of the ppls cant read it. (you included) you provocate ppls, you make them angry, you insult them in a diplomatic way.. and so on. btw, you didnt answer my question: tell me, what has my answer from another topic to do with this topic?? greetz telly ^^
tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 04:45 well, thats easy to answer. just read your posts and replies and you can see why. your only luck is that my english is to bad to write such essays like you do. i could type it in german, but then the majority of the ppls cant read it. (you included) you provocate ppls, you make them angry, you insult them in a diplomatic way.. and so on. this is RIDICULOUS. firstly, in the space of half an hour you've gone from "nobody except joetorp is doing this" to "ok, a lot of others are doing this but it's your fault"... how contemptible. secondly, go actually read the pointsfix debates. you'll see me civilly and logically advancing my own case. you'll see almost everyone on the other side resorting to character assassination, endless streams of insults, outright lying to make me look bad, etc. and DESPITE THIS you'll see me making concession after concession to these idiots, meeting people halfway when they have no intention of budging a single inch, and doing all sorts of favours for people who are treating me with more contempt than they treat most cheaters. nobody has ever explained how i do anything wrong in these debates, and if you can't, here and now, you owe me an apology. you aren't the only one, of course, but you seem a bit more level-headed than the majority of the jelly mods and admins. tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 04:45 btw, you didnt answer my question: tell me, what has my answer from another topic to do with this topic?? greetz telly ^^ you're asking why they're two different topics? that's not my fault. i replied in the same thread. i assume goztow split the topics, because tildeth realised how horribly his "poll" nonsense was backfiring on him and deleted it.
tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 04:45 btw, you didnt answer my question: tell me, what has my answer from another topic to do with this topic?? greetz telly ^^ you're asking why they're two different topics? that's not my fault. i replied in the same thread. i assume goztow split the topics, because tildeth deleted it.[/quote] Yes, indd.
Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 12:31 tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 04:45 well, thats easy to answer. just read your posts and replies and you can see why. your only luck is that my english is to bad to write such essays like you do. i could type it in german, but then the majority of the ppls cant read it. (you included) you provocate ppls, you make them angry, you insult them in a diplomatic way.. and so on. this is RIDICULOUS. firstly, in the space of half an hour you've gone from "nobody except joetorp is doing this" to "ok, a lot of others are doing this but it's your fault"... how contemptible. read this: Tildeth wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 23:54 Didn't you notice the same thing at Jelly (as tellsson pointed out earlier)? and your answer: perhaps jelly moderators and admins treating players like absolute shit for no reason might have something to do with it too? just look at the way they treat me, despite the fact i've done absolutely nothing wrong. you both talked clearly about the player-loss ingame, and so i did answer you that only 2 ppls did treat you INGAME. That ppls flaming you in the forums is another pair of shoes. Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 12:31 nobody has ever explained how i do anything wrong in these debates, and if you can't, here and now, you owe me an apology. you aren't the only one, of course, but you seem a bit more level-headed than the majority of the jelly mods and admins. like i said earlier, you have a diplomatic way to attack/insult/provocate ppls in the forums. And i`m sure you know what i mean. I could explain it easy, but in german coz my english isnt that good. Lets make an experiment. We make a debate in german and i want that you talk in german also. Then you can easy see where the problem is, why i dont make big debates in english. Greetz telly ^^
tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 08:21 you both talked clearly about the player-loss ingame, and so i did answer you that only 2 ppls did treat you INGAME. That ppls flaming you in the forums is another pair of shoes. I can see why you think that, but are they so separate? No matter how disgustingly the mods+admins treat somebody on the forum, it can't possibly put them off playing in the server? tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 08:21 like i said earlier, you have a diplomatic way to attack/insult/provocate ppls in the forums. And i`m sure you know what i mean. I do NOT know what you mean at all. I don't think there is anything wrong with the way I debate stuff like the pointsfix, and nobody has ever successfully explained that there is. Plenty of people have tried and failed CATASTROPHICALLY (gladiator is probably the best example of this, and of course everybody jumps all over his post like he's just achieved world peace or something, whereas anyone can plainly see he's talking COMPLETE bollocks) tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 08:21 I could explain it easy, but in german coz my english isnt that good. Lets make an experiment. We make a debate in german and i want that you talk in german also. Then you can easy see where the problem is, why i dont make big debates in english. Two problems. 1. I never said I could speak German. 2. I don't generally hang around forums where speaking German is the norm.
My bets on Spoony
tildeth's well and truly lost already, he's already gotten his own posts deleted out of sheer embarrassment.
tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 08:21 asy, but in german coz my english isnt that good. Lets make an experiment. We make a debate in german and i want that you talk in german also. Then you can easy see where the problem is, why i dont make big debates in english. Interestingly, I believe this isn't the first time I've read a similar cop-out from someone debating Spoony.
Wasn't the last time in a religious debate with a Muslim guy? I think it was archerman. He offered to debate and crush Spoony in a Turkish debate...I think so. lulz
it gets better btw. tildeth's "poll" was humiliatingly defeated, and now the jelly community is trying to cover up that it ever happened, lol
Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 11:06 tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 08:21 like i said earlier, you have a diplomatic way to attack/insult/provocate ppls in the forums. And i`m sure you know what i mean. I do NOT know what you mean at all. What he means is you speak your case in a diplomatic way, which is good, but you also include veiled hostility. If I imagine a person saying the words you are typing, the face speaking them isn't calm and polite, it's annoyed and possibly angry.
I'm being accused of 'veiled hostility' by a guy who threatened me with eternal punishment in the afterlife for disagreeing with his religion?
Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 12:18 I'm being accused of 'veiled hostility' by a guy who threatened me with eternal punishment in the afterlife for disagreeing with his religion? Oops, thanks, I forgot to add "misinterpretation" to the list.
lulz... Damn I missed the poll! I wonder what the results were.
Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 18:06 tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 08:21 you both talked clearly about the player-loss ingame, and so i did answer you that only 2 ppls did treat you INGAME. That ppls flaming you in the forums is another pair of shoes. I can see why you think that, but are they so separate? No matter how disgustingly the mods+admins treat somebody on the forum, it can't possibly put them off playing in the server? . lol?? Like 10% of our players in jelly1 use our forum, and this are almost all regs who still are here. They didnt leave j1. but the players who had a problem with the pointmod left j1, and played in another jelly server, without pointmod. (just a reminder, we talk about the player-loss coz the pointmod) so, yes, they are really separate. Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 18:06 tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 08:21 like i said earlier, you have a diplomatic way to attack/insult/provocate ppls in the forums. And i`m sure you know what i mean. I do NOT know what you mean at all. I don't think there is anything wrong with the way I debate stuff like the pointsfix, and nobody has ever successfully explained that there is. Plenty of people have tried and failed CATASTROPHICALLY (gladiator is probably the best example of this, and of course everybody jumps all over his post like he's just achieved world peace or something, whereas anyone can plainly see he's talking COMPLETE bollocks) Roflmao!! And exactly in this few sentences, you showed us all what i did mean. Playing the personification of innocence. Many ppls told you in many posts what they think about your debates, and about your "choice of words". of corse you did defend yourself. Its ok, its your opinion about yourself. But dont try to instill your opinion about yourself into other ppls. Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 18:06 tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 08:21 I could explain it easy, but in german coz my english isnt that good. Lets make an experiment. We make a debate in german and i want that you talk in german also. Then you can easy see where the problem is, why i dont make big debates in english. Two problems. 1. I never said I could speak German. 2. I don't generally hang around forums where speaking German is the norm. Well, and thats the point. Many ren-players have another native lang. They would say theyr opinion but you did devastate them with your oh sooo big essays. And most of the ppls who tried to tell us theyr opinion did feel totally helpless, coz they didnt understand all, or couldnt explain it right coz lack of lang. And what did you?? You just picked the sentences where they did explain something wrong, and then you called them liars and such, till they gave up. easy way to get yourself the feeling of a winner. gj What would you do, if the germans in this forum start a debate about you, in german. You could ignore it, and they all could laugh about you, how you dodge this debate, and so on. Or you could try to defend yourself and you would make so many faillures, coz you fail in german lang. And they could destroy you with powerfully eloquent essays like you do with others here, and you would finally see how cheap and mean that is. or do you think, ppls who has another lang then english shouldnt have the right to tell us what they think? greetz telly ^^
Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 19:14 it gets better btw. tildeth's "poll" was humiliatingly defeated, and now the jelly community is trying to cover up that it ever happened, lol only coz i`m a mod in jelly servers dosnt mean the whole jelly community is involved in this debate. greetz telly ^^
Dover wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:57 Drama!
...so is there gonna be 1v1 game between spoony and tildeth?
tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:51 lol?? Like 10% of our players in jelly1 use our forum, and this are almost all regs who still are here. They didnt leave j1. but the players who had a problem with the pointmod left j1, and played in another jelly server, without pointmod. (just a reminder, we talk about the player-loss coz the pointmod) so, yes, they are really separate. hey, all i said was the pointsfix may not have been the only reason. tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:51 Roflmao!! And exactly in this few sentences, you showed us all what i did mean. Playing the personification of innocence. Many ppls told you in many posts what they think about your debates, and about your "choice of words". of corse you did defend yourself. no, in this few sentences I showed you you were talking complete bullshit and you can't answer the perfectly simple question: what am I doing so very wrong? here you are again: I do NOT know what you mean at all. I don't think there is anything wrong with the way I debate stuff like the pointsfix, and nobody has ever successfully explained that there is. Plenty of people have tried and failed CATASTROPHICALLY (gladiator is probably the best example of this, and of course everybody jumps all over his post like he's just achieved world peace or something, whereas anyone can plainly see he's talking COMPLETE bollocks) tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:51 Well, and thats the point. Many ren-players have another native lang. They would say theyr opinion but you did devastate them with your oh sooo big essays. And most of the ppls who tried to tell us theyr opinion did feel totally helpless, coz they didnt understand all, or couldnt explain it right coz lack of lang. ok, this explains the ones who aren't british, american, canadian etc. perhaps now you can make excuses for the majority whose first language is english? tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:51 And what did you?? You just picked the sentences where they did explain something wrong, and then you called them liars and such, till they gave up. easy way to get yourself the feeling of a winner. gj now you're just being dishonest. every single time i called someone a liar, it was entirely justified. if you wanna pretend that the anti-pointsfix crowd HAVEN'T been caught lying AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, then frankly you're on the verge of joining their ranks. tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:51 What would you do, if the germans in this forum start a debate about you, in german. You could ignore it, and they all could laugh about you, how you dodge this debate, and so on. Or you could try to defend yourself and you would make so many faillures, coz you fail in german lang. And they could destroy you with powerfully eloquent essays like you do with others here, and you would finally see how cheap and mean that is. I'll just repeat what I said before. Two problems. 1. I never said I could speak German. 2. I don't generally hang around forums where speaking German is the norm. This seems pretty straightforward to me. tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:51 or do you think, ppls who has another lang then english shouldnt have the right to tell us what they think? No, but I do think that when they're caught lying or proven wrong they shouldn't pretend it's because there's a language barrier...
to be honest, everything looks like "he said she said" bull shit. i haven't seen any proof anywhere that anyone is lying or telling the truth or whatever.. someone point me in the right direction?
Spoony wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 04:15 tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:51 lol?? Like 10% of our players in jelly1 use our forum, and this are almost all regs who still are here. They didnt leave j1. but the players who had a problem with the pointmod left j1, and played in another jelly server, without pointmod. (just a reminder, we talk about the player-loss coz the pointmod) so, yes, they are really separate. hey, all i said was the pointsfix may not have been the only reason. and i said that the player loss (coz pointmod) has nothing to do with how admins/mods act in the forum. Spoony wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 04:15 tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:51 Roflmao!! And exactly in this few sentences, you showed us all what i did mean. Playing the personification of innocence. Many ppls told you in many posts what they think about your debates, and about your "choice of words". of corse you did defend yourself. Its ok, its your opinion about yourself. But dont try to instill your opinion about yourself into other ppls. no, in this few sentences I showed you you were talking complete bullshit and you can't answer the perfectly simple question: what am I doing so very wrong? like i said earlier, you have a diplomatic way to attack/insult/provocate ppls in the forums.you try to instill your opinion into other ppls. but ppls have theyr own opinion, perhaps you can start to accept this. Spoony wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 04:15 here you are again: I do NOT know what you mean at all. I don't think there is anything wrong with the way I debate stuff like the pointsfix, and nobody has ever successfully explained that there is. Plenty of people have tried and failed CATASTROPHICALLY (gladiator is probably the best example of this, and of course everybody jumps all over his post like he's just achieved world peace or something, whereas anyone can plainly see he's talking COMPLETE bollocks) here you are again: And exactly in this few sentences, you showed us all what i did mean. Playing the personification of innocence. Many ppls told you in many posts what they think about your debates, and about your "choice of words". of corse you did defend yourself. Its ok, its your opinion about yourself. But dont try to instill your opinion about yourself into other ppls. Spoony wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 04:15 tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:51 And what did you?? You just picked the sentences where they did explain something wrong, and then you called them liars and such, till they gave up. easy way to get yourself the feeling of a winner. gj now you're just being dishonest. every single time i called someone a liar, it was entirely justified. if you wanna pretend that the anti-pointsfix crowd HAVEN'T been caught lying AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, then frankly you're on the verge of joining their ranks. nope, as i told you in 1 of the first debates over the pointmod that it empty our server, you called me a liar also. But its still a fact that the pointmod was responsible for the player-loss in j1. Spoony wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 04:15 tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:51 What would you do, if the germans in this forum start a debate about you, in german. You could ignore it, and they all could laugh about you, how you dodge this debate, and so on. Or you could try to defend yourself and you would make so many faillures, coz you fail in german lang. And they could destroy you with powerfully eloquent essays like you do with others here, and you would finally see how cheap and mean that is. I'll just repeat what I said before. Two problems. 1. I never said I could speak German. 2. I don't generally hang around forums where speaking German is the norm. This seems pretty straightforward to me. Nice excuses. So you dont have the balls to try it. Many others had the balls to try it for an important issue like the pointmod debate, coz they thought its time to say theyr own opinion. I would like to see a german forum for renegade. (i mean a real forum, like this forum or jelly forum and not this crappy german fansites)
tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:37 and i said that the player loss (coz pointmod) has nothing to do with how admins/mods act in the forum. well, first you said that they weren't doing it at all except for joetorp. tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:37 like i said earlier, you have a diplomatic way to attack/insult/provocate ppls in the forums. have you actually compared my posts in, for example the "thoughts on the ladder" thread to the posts of people attacking me? it's a night-and-day difference. tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:37 you try to instill your opinion into other ppls. this is just nonsense rhetoric. i defend my convictions even if i know i'm gonna get flamed by people who have nothing to fault me for, that's the end of it. tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:37 but ppls have theyr own opinion, perhaps you can start to accept this. um, you mean like us giving every server the ability to choose pointsfix or no pointsfix? EVEN THOUGH LOTS OF PEOPLE ON THE ANTI-POINTSFIX CROWD DON'T WANT THIS CHOICE TO EXIST? i'm gonna keep repeating this extraordinary, pathetic fact because it's amazing how many people DON'T say anything about it. silence speaks volumes. tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:37 Spoony wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 04:15 here you are again: I do NOT know what you mean at all. I don't think there is anything wrong with the way I debate stuff like the pointsfix, and nobody has ever successfully explained that there is. Plenty of people have tried and failed CATASTROPHICALLY (gladiator is probably the best example of this, and of course everybody jumps all over his post like he's just achieved world peace or something, whereas anyone can plainly see he's talking COMPLETE bollocks) here you are again: And exactly in this few sentences, you showed us all what i did mean. Playing the personification of innocence. Many ppls told you in many posts what they think about your debates, and about your "choice of words". of corse you did defend yourself. Its ok, its your opinion about yourself. But dont try to instill your opinion about yourself into other ppls. like i said, if you can't successfully explain that i've done anything wrong, you owe me an apology. don't just repeat the same nonsense. it didn't mean a damn thing the first time you said it and it hasn't evolved since then. tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:37 nope, as i told you in 1 of the first debates over the pointmod that it empty our server, you called me a liar also. Quote me, please - link to the exact thing I said, and the context I was replying to. tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:37 Spoony wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 04:15 Two problems. 1. I never said I could speak German. 2. I don't generally hang around forums where speaking German is the norm.[/b] This seems pretty straightforward to me. Nice excuses. So you dont have the balls to try it. Excuse? This isn't an "excuse", it's a rock-solid REASON. tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:37 Many others had the balls to try it for an important issue like the pointmod debate, coz they thought its time to say theyr own opinion. Really? Did they actually start learning English for the SOLE PURPOSE of participating in the pointsfix debate? perhaps you can name me these "many others" who learned a new language because and ONLY because they wanted to join the pointsfix debate?
Spoony wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 18:24 tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:37 and i said that the player loss (coz pointmod) has nothing to do with how admins/mods act in the forum. well, first you said that they weren't doing it at all except for joetorp. hello??? Did you ever read my posts before?? We talked about ingame, and there was 2 ppls who did treatened you. What happened in the forums have nothing to do with the player-loss ingame, coz pointmod. (how many times do i have to repeat that?) Spoony wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 18:24 tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:37 but ppls have theyr own opinion, perhaps you can start to accept this. um, you mean like us giving every server the ability to choose pointsfix or no pointsfix? EVEN THOUGH LOTS OF PEOPLE ON THE ANTI-POINTSFIX CROWD DON'T WANT THIS CHOICE TO EXIST? i'm gonna keep repeating this extraordinary, pathetic fact because it's amazing how many people DON'T say anything about it. silence speaks volumes. well, i can understand this guys. If they wont it, why have a choice then? They just wont it, and so they dont need to have a choice. Its theyr opinion, not mine, but i respect this opinion. Spoony wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 18:24 tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:37 Spoony wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 04:15 here you are again: I do NOT know what you mean at all. I don't think there is anything wrong with the way I debate stuff like the pointsfix, and nobody has ever successfully explained that there is. Plenty of people have tried and failed CATASTROPHICALLY (gladiator is probably the best example of this, and of course everybody jumps all over his post like he's just achieved world peace or something, whereas anyone can plainly see he's talking COMPLETE bollocks) here you are again: And exactly in this few sentences, you showed us all what i did mean. Playing the personification of innocence. Many ppls told you in many posts what they think about your debates, and about your "choice of words". of corse you did defend yourself. Its ok, its your opinion about yourself. But dont try to instill your opinion about yourself into other ppls. like i said, if you can't successfully explain that i've done anything wrong, you owe me an apology. don't just repeat the same nonsense. it didn't mean a damn thing the first time you said it and it hasn't evolved since then. you did repeat the same. And it means alot, Or will you say that you dont know what you type in your essays? Or how you talk to ppls? Spoony wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 18:24 tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:37 nope, as i told you in 1 of the first debates over the pointmod that it empty our server, you called me a liar also. Quote me, please - link to the exact thing I said, and the context I was replying to. LOL? Search it for yourself. As i told you that it empties our server, you said that isnt true. (and something wich isnt true is a lie) Spoony wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 18:24 tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:37 Many others had the balls to try it for an important issue like the pointmod debate, coz they thought its time to say theyr own opinion. Really? Did they actually start learning English for the SOLE PURPOSE of participating in the pointsfix debate? perhaps you can name me these "many others" who learned a new language because and ONLY because they wanted to join the pointsfix debate? Did i tell you that they learned the english lang only to say theyr opinion? Nope. If you dont get what i meant with my example about "lets debate in german", then is this the best example how hard it is for a guy with lack of the english lang to explain something right, and how easy it is for you to misinterpret the whole thing. greetz telly ^^
tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 14:11 hello??? Did you ever read my posts before?? We talked about ingame, and there was 2 ppls who did treatened you. What happened in the forums have nothing to do with the player-loss ingame, coz pointmod. (how many times do i have to repeat that?) so you're saying no matter how appallingly a person might be treated on the forum despite doing absolutely nothing to deserve it, you can't imagine why this might put them off playing in the server? you may remember that i originally played anonymously for a bit when i came back to ren. tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 14:11 well, i can understand this guys. If they wont it, why have a choice then? They just wont it, and so they dont need to have a choice. Its theyr opinion, not mine, but i respect this opinion. you respect this opinion? these people don't want the pointsfix to exist at all, and they sabotage someone else's community if it chooses to use the pointsfix, and you "respect" this? this is a hundred times worse than anything you could possibly say about me in the entire pointsfix subject. and nobody, NOBODY raises the slightest objection. emperor's clothes, anybody? tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 14:11 you did repeat the same. And it means alot, Or will you say that you dont know what you type in your essays? Or how you talk to ppls? When you are actually capable of telling me in plain terms, no rhetoric, what I've done wrong to justify the despicable way I've been treated, let me know. This is, what, the 4th time I've repeated this? tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 14:11 Spoony wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 18:24 tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:37 nope, as i told you in 1 of the first debates over the pointmod that it empty our server, you called me a liar also. Quote me, please - link to the exact thing I said, and the context I was replying to. LOL? Search it for yourself. um no, you brought it up, you're the one trying to use it to prove something. you're the one making the accusation here, so the burden of proof is on you. tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 14:11 If you dont get what i meant with my example about "lets debate in german", then is this the best example how hard it is for a guy with lack of the english lang to explain something right, and how easy it is for you to misinterpret the whole thing. i can't wait to hear your excuses on behalf of all the people whose first language is english and who lost the arguments just as horribly... sorry bud, but this excuse just doesn't cut it.
Spoony wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 01:09 tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 14:11 hello??? Did you ever read my posts before?? We talked about ingame, and there was 2 ppls who did treatened you. What happened in the forums have nothing to do with the player-loss ingame, coz pointmod. (how many times do i have to repeat that?) so you're saying no matter how appallingly a person might be treated on the forum despite doing absolutely nothing to deserve it, you can't imagine why this might put them off playing in the server? you may remember that i originally played anonymously for a bit when i came back to ren. no, i said that the player loss in j1 had nothing to do with how admins/mods act in the forums, it was clearly the pointmod wich did empty our server. 2-3 days after the pointmod was inserted, the players started to left j1 and they joined other jelly servers, and they came back after we made j1 more attractive (inserting weapon spwan).if they would left coz the fact that they got treatened in the forum, then they wouldnt play on other jelly servers or would come back after we made j1 more attractive. And they came back. IT WAS CLERLY THE POINTMOD WICH EMPTIED J1, and that you played anonymously has nothing to do with the pointmod, or that the pointmod emptied j1. Spoony wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 01:09 tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 14:11 well, i can understand this guys. If they wont it, why have a choice then? They just wont it, and so they dont need to have a choice. Its theyr opinion, not mine, but i respect this opinion. you respect this opinion? these people don't want the pointsfix to exist at all, and they sabotage someone else's community if it chooses to use the pointsfix, and you "respect" this? this is a hundred times worse than anything you could possibly say about me in the entire pointsfix subject. and nobody, NOBODY raises the slightest objection. emperor's clothes, anybody? nope,i said i respect theyr opinion, not that i respect how they act. Spoony wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 01:09 tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 14:11 you did repeat the same. And it means alot, Or will you say that you dont know what you type in your essays? Or how you talk to ppls? When you are actually capable of telling me in plain terms, no rhetoric, what I've done wrong to justify the despicable way I've been treated, let me know. This is, what, the 4th time I've repeated this? And i did answer it for the 4th time also. There is no need to explain how you act, everybody with an iq wich is higher then the iq of a roomplant can see how you treat ppls in a debate. Spoony wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 01:09 tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 14:11 Spoony wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 18:24 tellsson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:37 nope, as i told you in 1 of the first debates over the pointmod that it empty our server, you called me a liar also. Quote me, please - link to the exact thing I said, and the context I was replying to. LOL? Search it for yourself. um no, you brought it up, you're the one trying to use it to prove something. you're the one making the accusation here, so the burden of proof is on you. why should i waste my time with seeking this?? I waste enough time with this debate. I dont need to proof it. If you wanna see it, then have fun at searching it. greetz telly ^^
tellsson wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 04:28 no, i said that the player loss in j1 had nothing to do with how admins/mods act in the forums, it was clearly the pointmod wich did empty our server. 2-3 days after the pointmod was inserted, the players started to left j1 and they joined other jelly servers, and they came back after we made j1 more attractive (inserting weapon spwan).if they would left coz the fact that they got treatened in the forum, then they wouldnt play on other jelly servers or would come back after we made j1 more attractive. And they came back. IT WAS CLERLY THE POINTMOD WICH EMPTIED J1, and that you played anonymously has nothing to do with the pointmod, or that the pointmod emptied j1. Maybe, but none of this changes what I said. tellsson wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 04:28 nope,i said i respect theyr opinion, not that i respect how they act. yet you don't say a single harsh word about the way they act. NOBODY DOES. instead they treat me with the greatest contempt because i'm... uh... giving the anti-pointsfix crowd everything they asked for even though all they do is flame me? (which, if you remember, is exactly what i predicted would happen) tellsson wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 04:28 And i did answer it for the 4th time also. There is no need to explain how you act, everybody with an iq wich is higher then the iq of a roomplant can see how you treat ppls in a debate. Like I said. I asked you what I'm actually doing wrong. If you can't answer, there's no shame in admitting you can't answer. The shame comes from the way you're acting right now. Look at yourself. tellsson wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 04:28 why should i waste my time with seeking this?? I waste enough time with this debate. I dont need to proof it. If you wanna see it, then have fun at searching it. greetz telly ^^ [/quote] Once again, if you make an accusation against me, apparently you don't have to prove it.
Spoony wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 15:26 tellsson wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 04:28 no, i said that the player loss in j1 had nothing to do with how admins/mods act in the forums, it was clearly the pointmod wich did empty our server. 2-3 days after the pointmod was inserted, the players started to left j1 and they joined other jelly servers, and they came back after we made j1 more attractive (inserting weapon spwan).if they would left coz the fact that they got treatened in the forum, then they wouldnt play on other jelly servers or would come back after we made j1 more attractive. And they came back. IT WAS CLERLY THE POINTMOD WICH EMPTIED J1, and that you played anonymously has nothing to do with the pointmod, or that the pointmod emptied j1. Maybe, but none of this changes what I said. Nice tryout to destroy the context. It started with this: Tildeth wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 23:54 Didn't you notice the same thing at Jelly (as tellsson pointed out earlier)? Your answer: yes, but I didn't notice it at n00bstories. clearly the pointsfix isn't the only factor... perhaps jelly moderators and admins treating players like absolute shit for no reason might have something to do with it too? So what? it WAS clearly only the pointmod wich emptied our server, and NOT how the admins/mods treated ppls in the forum. Spoony wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 15:26 tellsson wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 04:28 nope,i said i respect theyr opinion, not that i respect how they act. yet you don't say a single harsh word about the way they act. NOBODY DOES. instead they treat me with the greatest contempt because i'm... uh... giving the anti-pointsfix crowd everything they asked for even though all they do is flame me? (which, if you remember, is exactly what i predicted would happen) why i should use harsh words against ppls who have theyr own opinion? Its called respect/tolerance. Spoony wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 15:26 tellsson wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 04:28 And i did answer it for the 4th time also. There is no need to explain how you act, everybody with an iq wich is higher then the iq of a roomplant can see how you treat ppls in a debate. Like I said. I asked you what I'm actually doing wrong. If you can't answer, there's no shame in admitting you can't answer. The shame comes from the way you're acting right now. Look at yourself. lol? How do i act? Did i insult you in one of the many replies here? Did i attack you? Not that i know, imo. You want an answer how you act? k, here it is: Du hast eine bestimmte Art die Leute zu provozieren, du drehst ihnen die Wörter im Mund herum und biegst sie so zurecht, dass am Schluss alles gegen sie spricht. Du attackierst Leute, beleidigst sie und pöbelst sie an. Du kannst nicht einfach nur sagen: sie haben verloren. Du sagst es in einer provozierenden Art, etwa so: du hast fatalerweise abgrundtief verloren. Dies ist pure Provokation, und stiftet die Leute regelrecht an, dir dementsprechend harte Antworten zu geben. Nur damit du nachher dastehen kannst und allen erzählen kannst wie ungerecht dich die Leute behandeln. Dafür gibt es hunderte von Beweisen, in all den Topics/Posts die du gemacht hast. Deine respektlosigkeit gegenüber anderen die nur ihre Meinung vertreten ist echt beschämend. I told you its hard to explain it in english coz my lack of the english lang, but hey, it isnt a shame for you to translate it. Spoony wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 15:26 tellsson wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 04:28 why should i waste my time with seeking this?? I waste enough time with this debate. I dont need to proof it. If you wanna see it, then have fun at searching it. Once again, if you make an accusation against me, apparently you don't have to prove it. Yes, i dont have to prove it. Greetz telly ^^
tellsson wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 12:46 Nice tryout to destroy the context. It started with this: Tildeth wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 23:54 Didn't you notice the same thing at Jelly (as tellsson pointed out earlier)? Your answer: yes, but I didn't notice it at n00bstories. clearly the pointsfix isn't the only factor... perhaps jelly moderators and admins treating players like absolute shit for no reason might have something to do with it too? So what? it WAS clearly only the pointmod wich emptied our server, and NOT how the admins/mods treated ppls in the forum. No, I meant it doesn't change the fact that the way some of the mods and admins treat people is appalling, and has no justification. Originally you denied that anyone except joetorp was doing it, then changed your story to "but it's justified" Why should I care whether the pointsfix empties Jelly? We're not trying to force it on you. tellsson wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 12:46 why i should use harsh words against ppls who have theyr own opinion? Its called respect/tolerance. uh, do you even know what we're talking about here? i'm talking about the people at clanwars who ACTIVELY got in the way of a community's decision whether to use the pointsfix. the rightful admin and league owner, me, decided i wanted to use the pointsfix. this was SABOTAGED by a few people at clanwars. not disagreed with - SABOTAGED. a systematic campaign of lies, character assassination, manipulation, rigging polls and lying about the results - by a bunch of cheaters, pointpushers and general rule-breakers. what's more, people actually used this sorry scenario as an argument AGAINST THE POINTSFIX! if you even MARGINALLY side with them over me - and plenty of people have (i haven't seen a word of condemnation against these pricks, nor a single word of support to my position), then you DON'T support a community's right to choose whether to use the pointsfix or not. indeed, you actively oppose it. we're not talking about "respect and tolerance of opinions" here. we're talking about a bunch of cheaters subverting the wishes of the community's admins. if this happened at jelly you might be a little less quick to "respect and tolerate" it. i'm often accused (ad nauseum, in fact) of trying to force the pointsfix on communities that don't want it - which is, of course, entirely incorrect and can't be deduced if you actually read anything i say. yet there are plenty of people who actually physically try to force the pointsbug on communities that don't want it. if people are pissed at me because they (wrongly) think i'm forcing the pointsfix onto others, they ought to be twice as outraged about this. of course they aren't, which is why the rage at me seems rather odd, and why when people say "there should be a choice whether to use pointsfix or not" they often don't mean it... tellsson wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 12:46 I told you its hard to explain it in english coz my lack of the english lang, but hey, it isnt a shame for you to translate it. since I know almost no german, it seems like you're in a better position to translate it than I am, eh? tellsson wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 12:46 Yes, i dont have to prove it. cool, that means I don't have to take it remotely seriously.
FFS this took me 5 sec on google translate... Quote: You have to provoke a certain kind of people, you rotate them around the words in your mouth and turn handle so that in the end everything is against her. You attackierst people, insult them and to the mob. You can not just say: they have lost. You say it in a provocative way, like this: you have fatally lost abysmally. This is pure provocation, and endows the people to literally give you answers to tough accordingly. Only afterwards, so you can stand there and tell everyone how unfair can you treat people. There are hundreds of proofs, in all the topics / posts you have made. Your disrespect for others only their opinion represented is real shame. As you can see it's broken English but it somewhat worked.
I don't understand how Spoony particularly insults people. In fact, he doesn't twist people's words at all; he actually addresses each portion of somebodies argument by quoting their exact words. That's merely picking arguments apart. =/
nikki wrote I don't understand how Spoony particularly insults people. In fact, he doesn't twist people's words at all; he actually addresses each portion of somebodies argument by quoting their exact words. That's merely picking arguments apart. =/ thank you, it's about time somebody pointed out the blindingly obvious. if someone makes several different points in one post i'll reply to each one. there's a very good tool you can use for doing this, and there's absolutely nothing unfair about doing so. if anything, one could criticise the absolutely huge people who see a post of mine containing several different points being made, and who DOESN'T reply to each one. kadoosh's translation You have to provoke a certain kind of people, you rotate them around the words in your mouth and turn handle so that in the end everything is against her. i'll be generous and assume the meaning has been lost in translation here... that's the kindest thing I can really say about this sentence. kadoosh's translation You attackierst people, insult them and to the mob. again, tellsson might want to take a good look at the jelly forums, and notice the huge number of people - including moderators and admins - who go to extraordinary lengths to attack me when the only thing they're replying to is me talking about, i dunno, the pointsfix or the surrender script etc kadoosh's translation You can not just say: they have lost. You say it in a provocative way, like this: you have fatally lost abysmally. i only say this sort of thing when they refuse to concede a point, or when they're caught lying through their teeth about something, or when they completely ignore my points and carry on banging away at an already-discredited position. kadoosh's translation Only afterwards, so you can stand there and tell everyone how unfair can you treat people. There are hundreds of proofs, in all the topics / posts you have made. give ten, tellsson. there are hundreds? give ten. quotes and links, please.
@spoony in regards to the surrender post, i see no where in that post where a single moderator or admin attacks you, they post their opinions in a civilized manor. please refute me if im wrong i'd like to see the post.
no, that's just the KIND OF THING i talk about, in a completely logical and civilised way, before your community go apeshit on me for no reason. perhaps you'd like to ask the same question about the pointsfix? i certainly hope not, for your own sake. or how about what happened when i said "actually, no i don't cheat" in response to two of your moderators publicly claiming that i did (two and a quarter if you count joetorp as well). you joined in the lynching that time, if you remember... in response to a post of mine which can hardly be considered offensive. or how about when i blew the whistle on msgtpain because he was lying to everybody (again) about me... my posts were deleted and i got a ban threat, whereas his ridiculous lies about me were allowed to stand and i wasn't permitted to defend myself.
Well if you get people to not like you (which you have regardless of whether you deserve it or now) esp. at Jelly, you can't exactly expect fair treatment. right?
c4onyou8 wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 23:44 Well if you get people to not like you (which you have regardless of whether you deserve it or now) esp. at Jelly, you can't exactly expect fair treatment. right? says it all eh? you're fair game for unfair treatment if people don't like you, and it doesn't matter at all whether you've actually done something wrong.
Spoony wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 06:19 c4onyou8 wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 23:44 Well if you get people to not like you (which you have regardless of whether you deserve it or now) esp. at Jelly, you can't exactly expect fair treatment. right? says it all eh? you're fair game for unfair treatment if people don't like you, and it doesn't matter at all whether you've actually done something wrong. i see what you did there
liquidv2 wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 04:24 Spoony wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 06:19 c4onyou8 wrote on Sun, 04 October 2009 23:44 Well if you get people to not like you (which you have regardless of whether you deserve it or now) esp. at Jelly, you can't exactly expect fair treatment. right? says it all eh? you're fair game for unfair treatment if people don't like you, and it doesn't matter at all whether you've actually done something wrong. i see what you did there What? He used logic? Is that so special?
Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 03:52 Tildeth wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 00:59 I'm just saying that it's going to affect the number of players in the servers running the fix, hence, my distaste for it. What about that don't you understand? Evidently everything, because every time I try and make you aware of these facts you go off raging about how unethical the entire clanwars league was for jumping out of their tank at the last second LOL. Once again, you simply don't read my posts... either that or they're too painful for you to confront. I've simply proven you were LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH when you said you support the idea of each community choosing whether to use the pointsfix or not. That's right. LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH. The clanwars situation proved where you really stand about each community's individual choice: you oppose it. The only way you can argue otherwise is by repudiating everything you've said on this subject. This means two things. 1. respect me, the rightful renadmin and league owner, in my wishes to use the pointsfix in the clanwars league. 2. condemn the despicable actions of people like simpee, clearshot, mikey, etc. who continually lied about the situation to influence opinion, who resorted to character assassination when they couldn't think of a real argument, who disregarded and subverted the wishes of the person who hosted the league for them, and who lied to the server hosts to get what they wanted because they knew honesty wouldn't work. this ^^ is what you have to say if you want anyone to believe you support the idea of each community having a choice, pointsfix or pointsbug. if you don't repudiate your earlier position (that of clanwars) we must assume you still hold this position, which is IN DIRECT OPPOSITION to each community having its own choice. and if you still hold this position, it means four things. 1. you place no value at all upon honesty (although we knew that anyway). 2. you have no respect for fair play, since every single person who was involved with this bullshit at clanwars has a shitty track record when it comes to fairness. 3. you have zero respect for the only person who could be bothered hosting a clan league for you - you think cheaters and pointpushers and rulebreakers ought to be able to subvert him just as long as their views on the pointsfix are similar to yours. 4. you oppose the very idea of each community's individual choice of whether to use the pointsfix. Tildeth wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 00:59 And don't worry, I made the poll. yes, clearly you know how badly you're losing this argument so you change the subject to something that is totally irrelevant. "YEAH WELL MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE POINTSFIX!" well even if that's true (and the evidence is against you on this) so what? if we're giving servers the choice, some will use the pointsfix, some won't, and everybody's happy, right? (the one fly in the ointment, of course, is the jelly-games sleeperhold on the game listings, which shits all over your credibility whenever you talk about "most players" and, indeed, "dictators") but you want a headcount, do you? ok, fine. but let's count it FAIRLY, shall we? first, let's give the pointsfix the unique control over renegade the pointsbug has had for SIX YEARS. then, let's treat anyone advocating the pointsbug with the contempt people like you have shown me, for no reason. then, let's make it so the advocates of the pointsfix use the same appalling tactics the pointsbug supporters have used, thereby shitting all over their own credibility at every turn. Then, the two positions will be equivalent, so then the poll would be fair. can you imagine that? imagine if the situation were reversed, if the bug never existed and the points system was the one westwood actually designed. imagine if someone - you, for example - came along and advocated the points bug. imagine how the conversation would go. tildeth: "hi, i've come up with an improvement to the points system" spoony: "go on..." tildeth: "you can get points for shooting stuff you don't damage!" spoony: "why...?" tildeth: "i don't know." spoony: "so... will this happen against everything, then?" tildeth: "DUHH! NO, NOT EVERYTHING! just vehicles." spoony: "uh, why just vehicles? why not buildings and infantry too if this is the way your mind is working?" tildeth: "i don't know. by the way, it won't happen all the time. just when the vehicles have green health." spoony: "....why? why not when they have red/yellow health if this is what you're thinking?" tildeth: "again, i don't know." spoony: "this concept of yours... was that supposed to happen, do you think...? i mean, is it what westwood were thinking?" tildeth: "no." spoony: "will this make the economy system more strategic?" tildeth: "no, quite the opposite actually." spoony: "is this gonna make people better players?" tildeth: "hell no, people will waste time shooting tanks ineffectually instead of actually doing something useful like damaging the enemy or repairing their base." spoony: "does it make the game fairer?" tildeth: "no, if anything it makes the game less fair. nod will have a hell of a time winning maps like field and under. it also will mean that defensive play will be rewarded over aggressive play" spoony: "um.... maybe you think it'll be easier for new players?" tildeth: "no, in fact it makes a simple points system a lot harder to understand." spoony: "sorry bud, but i'm not seeing how your idea makes any sense AT ALL..." tildeth: "me neither." spoony: "so... in what sense is this an 'improvement'?" (embarrassed silence) tellsson wrote only coz 1 mod and an old reg treated you doesnt mean that the whole jelly staff act like this. you did see that clearly as the mod got demoded. i guess you don't read that many posts on the jelly forum, huh? i wasn't talking about joetorp. i get treated with more contempt than most cheaters, despite the fact i've done absolutely nothing wrong, and in fact have gone to great lengths to stick up for the interests of people who don't like the pointsfix, no matter how appallingly they treat me. and i'm not talking about just a couple of people. i'm talking about the MAJORITY of the moderators and the MAJORITY of the admins. OK, so I just found this thread (I haven't been dodging, I just don't sit on the renforums all day like you). Firstly, I "condemn the despicable actions of people like simpee, clearshot, mikey etc", happy? I've already stated multiple times that I don't give a shit about whether or not pointfix is implemented on the other servers, I was simply stating the consequences. Why? Let's move on and find out. Referring to your so called "hypothetical", the fact of the matter is that Renegade was DESIGNED flawed and people have gotten used to that flaw. You can't make an idiotic statement like "WHAT IF IT WASNT FLAWED, AND NOW YOU WANTED TO IMPLEMENT THAT FLAW, HOW STOOOOPID WOULD U LOOK??!". Why? I'm confident you can find it in you to find out that answer.
F1r3st0rm wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 17:09 ...so is there gonna be 1v1 game between spoony and tildeth? This already happened. I tore him apart; I'll gladly to it again for the public's entertainment.
Tildeth wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:14 Referring to your so called "hypothetical", the fact of the matter is that Renegade was DESIGNED flawed and people have gotten used to that flaw. You can't make an idiotic statement like "WHAT IF IT WASNT FLAWED, AND NOW YOU WANTED TO IMPLEMENT THAT FLAW, HOW STOOOOPID WOULD U LOOK??!". Why? I'm confident you can find it in you to find out that answer. So no game should ever be patched ever, since any flaw that happens to slip by the designers is already into the game and people have gotten used to it anyway?
Where are you getting these statements from? Or are they just your false assumptions of what you think I'm saying. Yes, that was a rhetorical question, in case you weren't clear. I already AGREED with the patch being implemented, I don't know why you're trying to imply that I didn't.
Tildeth wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:54 Where are you getting these statements from? Or are they just your false assumptions of what you think I'm saying. Yes, that was a rhetorical question, in case you weren't clear. I already AGREED with the patch being implemented, I don't know why you're trying to imply that I didn't. See, you say that, and then you say you're against pointfix because it was designed that was, even though it's an obvious bug. Which of the two is it?
I said that I'm anti-pointfix because it's just the type of gameplay I PREFER, because I'm used to it. I say that I agree with the pointfix because I honestly don't care if I have to play with it, but I'm just pointing out that a lot of people will. Must I clarify furthur, or has it finally set in yet? Edit: What I disagreed with (If you have actually been following, you would have picked this up) was the penalty of -50% ladder for those servers not running the fix. Regardless of the wishes of the pointbug players, it seems that this has been set in stone. I've come to terms with that now, as it seems there is clearly nothing we can do about it; however, this leaves me with a question regarding the most recent proposal from the Spoonman: Why is there a need for furthur compromise (ie. Giving up power and control of servers on the list), if we already compromised by agreeing to the loss of ladder?
Tildeth wrote This already happened. I tore him apart; I'll gladly to it again for the public's entertainment. lol, no need to exaggerate buddy. you JUST BARELY won and then you said i was one of the best tanks you'd ever played, and what's more, if I hadn't lagged out of your AGT you wouldn't have won at all. Tildeth wrote Why is there a need for furthur compromise (ie. Giving up power and control of servers on the list), if we already compromised by agreeing to the loss of ladder? The situations aren't equivalent. You "agreeing to the loss of ladder" in pointsbug servers is not a compromise, because TT doesn't have a monopoly on ladders. We're just the only people who can be bothered making one, just like I was with the clan ladder.
Tildeth wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 17:15 F1r3st0rm wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 17:09 ...so is there gonna be 1v1 game between spoony and tildeth? This already happened. I tore him apart; I'll gladly to it again for the public's entertainment. would be rather odd if you'd still lose knowing everything u ever were considered good at was 1v1 field, not to mention u play around 50 times more than spoony does lol
my winratio in actual games is massively higher than tildeth despite the fact he's been caught pulling all sorts of bs... but hey, if he's losing this argument so badly that he wants to change it to LOL 1V1?!? then let him go ahead and embarrass himself yet again. even if i 1v1'd him, it wouldn't change what's happened here, wouldn't change the fact he's lied to everyone a bunch of times, nor started a pointsfix vote, horribly lost, then covered it up and lied about why he did so.
ONLY IF IT MEANS THAT WHEN I WIN IT PROVES I WAS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING IVE EVER SAID ON EVERY FORUM EVER BUT IF U WIN IT DOESNT PROVE ANYTHING. that's my tildeth/simpee impression if it wasn't obvious
Spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 08:26 ONLY IF IT MEANS THAT WHEN I WIN IT PROVES I WAS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING IVE EVER SAID ON EVERY FORUM EVER BUT IF U WIN IT DOESNT PROVE ANYTHING. that's my tildeth/simpee impression if it wasn't obvious i think that speaks for itself! SERVER?
i really can't be bothered with 1v1s anymore, dude. i used to love them, i don't really want to play them anymore.
Hitman wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 08:16 Tildeth wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 17:15 F1r3st0rm wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 17:09 ...so is there gonna be 1v1 game between spoony and tildeth? This already happened. I tore him apart; I'll gladly to it again for the public's entertainment. would be rather odd if you'd still lose knowing everything u ever were considered good at was 1v1 field, not to mention u play around 50 times more than spoony does lol ahaha look at you getting mad because I went 2-0 against you in 2v2s the other day, cute. And spoony, I brought up the 1v1 because of the guy asking to see one, I can completely understand why you would dodge, and I didn't change the subject, I was answering his question. Read the entire post next time, including the quote.
Tildeth wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 10:50 Hitman wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 08:16 Tildeth wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 17:15 F1r3st0rm wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 17:09 ...so is there gonna be 1v1 game between spoony and tildeth? This already happened. I tore him apart; I'll gladly to it again for the public's entertainment. would be rather odd if you'd still lose knowing everything u ever were considered good at was 1v1 field, not to mention u play around 50 times more than spoony does lol ahaha look at you getting mad because I went 2-0 against you in 2v2s the other day, cute. And spoony, I brought up the 1v1 because of the guy asking to see one, I can completely understand why you would dodge, and I didn't change the subject, I was answering his question. Read the entire post next time, including the quote. lol i barely play renegade anymore, and when i do its just to snipe in tunnel or some shit, my aim is total shit and it was city fly and walls lol with u having nod on both maps... city fly just get a stank on the bar with an apache to cover or something similar, walls just make sure gdi gets nothing off than rush in the arty and light... gj now you've won like 5% of your games against me, quite an improvement
the only thing i would ever lose against tildeth is probably a 1v1 because he played like 500 and i played 5 but its ok hitman, give him some time to celebrate his victory, it takes some time for people like him L!OL
You barely play, but you've played SO many more cw's than I have, lets not lie. But this still doesn't change the fact that you posted out of complete ignorance, just because you were angry that you lost to me the other day...Read the post, and the quote I was replying to; I wasn't asking Spoony for a 1v1, genius. PS: I was playing with DnPLoKi and I didn't even have a mic LOL!oOL!olo
yeah i could tell u got excited real bad when walls was finished lol rematch?
BLûεl4βêL wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 11:16 the only thing i would ever lose against tildeth is probably a 1v1 because he played like 500 and i played 5 but its ok hitman, give him some time to celebrate his victory, it takes some time for people like him L!OL It's funny that you reply for the same reason hitman does. ANGER. from losing. ahah Get over it, you lost. Don't come into a thread not even related to this and bring it up, it SCREAMS fury.
Hitman wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 11:20 yeah i could tell u got excited real bad when walls was finished lol rematch? k, after mech 141 brb
sorry tilgeek but my first post about you couldn't be closer to the trueth LOL, just sayin
Hitman wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 09:21 sorry tilgeek but my first post about you couldn't be closer to the trueth LOL, just sayin Regardless of its validity, you still posted out of sheer ignorance, assuming I was asking Spoony for a 1v1, which I wasn't. This only proves that you get SO ANGRY when you lose a couple 2v2's that you come on to a completely unrelated topic to flame me, pretty pathetic 8--|. And that still doesn't change the fact that you've played 200209039x10^22 more CW's that I have, and shouldn't be losing 2v2's to me and Loki(LOL) in the first place.
i never flamed you to begin with lol... also it doesn't take napoleon to figure out a sneaky stank on a 2v2 city fly will do ... rather good lol anyways, rematch?
We'll rematch after all my classes for the day are finished. If we play now, we'll have time for maybe one game before I have to go back to class, and then you'll say I'm leaving because I'm dodging. If you're still on when I'm done my classes, I'll play another series with you.