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Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Now using windows minidump crashdumps for debug information Fixed many bugs Complete overhaul of shader system Rewrite of many parts of the graphics system to remove all vestiges of the old DX8 bits. 4.0 doesn't have any of the bugs and slowdowns and problems that plagued 3.4.4 Fixed a number of bugs in various scripts Changed JFW_Jetpack and JFW_Jetpack_Model to play an animation on the object as well as changing the model Corrected many issues in the HUD and custom HUD code Renamed bhs.dll to tt.dll Changed all names mentioning bhs (readmes, logs etc) to mention TT instead Rewrote many hacks and crappy pieces of code Make the custom sniper scope work more like the stock renegade sniper scope Started using the latest version of visual C++ (2008 currently) Rewrote the memory manager to be faster and cleaner (and to produce more debugging info on debug builds) Changed the way we hook into renegade (and call renegade functions and access renegade variables) to be faster and cleaner. New scripts JFW_Set_Info_Texture and JFW_Clear_Info_Texture to use the "info texture" feature of tt.dll New script JFW_Set_Time_Custom and JFW_Set_Time_Limit_Custom to change the time and time limit New script JFW_C4_Sound_2 which is the same as JFW_C4_Sound except it wont play if the C4 does no damage. New script JFW_C4_Explode which triggers an explosion when a C4 is planted by a certain object New script JFW_3D_Sound_Custom_2 which plays a 3d sound on custom New script JFW_Send_Self_Custom_On_Key which sends a custom to the object its attached to when a key is pressed New script JFW_Empty_Vehicle_Timer which will destroy an empty vehicle if it remains empty for a certain period of time Fixed bug where weapons with infinate ammo (such as the pistol) dont start loaded Fix bug where damage code miscalculates points in some cases Fixed the invisible C4 problem on maps like Glacier Flying Changed all projects to use precompiled headers for system includes and global definitions Fixed repair …
creator: jonwil
date: 2009-09-30T13:43:58-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: i'd say this list of things that are fixed is about as long as the list where u already "had a lot of things done" from so the final release cant be that far off is Ea not going to have a problem with officialy recognising this patch? pretty sure it could take forever to get em to eventually agree on everything included in the 'package'
creator: Hitman
date: 2009-09-30T13:57:45-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: oh wow, that's quite the list there. one question though. jonwil wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 08:43 Toggle Spoiler Now using windows minidump crashdumps for debug information Fixed many bugs Complete overhaul of shader system Rewrite of many parts of the graphics system to remove all vestiges of the old DX8 bits. 4.0 doesn't have any of the bugs and slowdowns and problems that plagued 3.4.4 Fixed a number of bugs in various scripts Changed JFW_Jetpack and JFW_Jetpack_Model to play an animation on the object as well as changing the model Corrected many issues in the HUD and custom HUD code Renamed bhs.dll to tt.dll Changed all names mentioning bhs (readmes, logs etc) to mention TT instead Rewrote many hacks and crappy pieces of code Make the custom sniper scope work more like the stock renegade sniper scope Started using the latest version of visual C++ (2008 currently) Rewrote the memory manager to be faster and cleaner (and to produce more debugging info on debug builds) Changed the way we hook into renegade (and call renegade functions and access renegade variables) to be faster and cleaner. New scripts JFW_Set_Info_Texture and JFW_Clear_Info_Texture to use the "info texture" feature of tt.dll New script JFW_Set_Time_Custom and JFW_Set_Time_Limit_Custom to change the time and time limit New script JFW_C4_Sound_2 which is the same as JFW_C4_Sound except it wont play if the C4 does no damage. New script JFW_C4_Explode which triggers an explosion when a C4 is planted by a certain object New script JFW_3D_Sound_Custom_2 which plays a 3d sound on custom New script JFW_Send_Self_Custom_On_Key which sends a custom to the object its attached to when a key is pressed New script JFW_Empty_Vehicle_Timer which will destroy an empty vehicle if it remains empty for a certain period of time Fixed bug where weapons with infinate ammo (such as the pistol) dont start loaded Fix bug where damage code miscalculates points in some cases Toggle Spoiler Fixed the invisible C4 problem…
creator: GrimmNL
date: 2009-09-30T13:59:02-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Hitman wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 15:57 i'd say this list of things that are fixed is about as long as the list where u already "had a lot of things done" from so the final release cant be that far off is Ea not going to have a problem with officialy recognising this patch? pretty sure it could take forever to get em to eventually agree on everything included in the 'package' Well actually we have what you could call "full" support from EA. Full as in, they like what we do and plan on cooperating by letting us use the patcher when everything works as expected.
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2009-09-30T14:15:38-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: jonwil wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 15:43 Fixes to AGT and obelisk scripts to fix obelisk walk and other bugs Does that include the Obilisk glitching on Hourglass? ------- I went through the entire list, and I'm so satisfied with everything you do for our beloved game. Can't wait for Tiberian Tech to be released and keep going this way, cause I have the idea that there is still a lot more to come, which you are not telling us
creator: Spyder
date: 2009-09-30T15:08:27-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: jonwil wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 16:43 Removed linux FDS support (makes developing 4.0 much easier and cleaner)
creator: raven
date: 2009-09-30T16:26:54-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: jonwil wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 16:43 Removed linux FDS support everything cool except this! -.-
creator: Stumpy
date: 2009-09-30T16:51:17-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Stumpy wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 17:51 jonwil wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 16:43 Removed linux FDS support everything cool except this! -.- The linux FDS is a lot slower than the windows version. Just use a windows hosted server. Or run it on a VM.
creator: jnz
date: 2009-09-30T17:59:52-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Stumpy wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 11:51 jonwil wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 16:43 Removed linux FDS support everything cool except this! -.- Totally agreed. I don't get it... jnz wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 11:51 The linux FDS is a lot slower than the windows version. Just use a windows hosted server. Or run it on a VM. There are reasons for using linux server instead of windows. And I can tell you from my own experience, running a LFDS on VMware is not very succesfull.
creator: lion
date: 2009-09-30T19:19:42-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: The reason for not supporting Linux is simple. With linux support you would probably have to add at least a year of extra time to get this done. Because we know you want the patch as soon as possible, we had no option other than dump linux support. Also, there are perhaps 4 or 5 linux servers, while most are windows. Even if those 4-5 servers would need to quit because of this (I hope not, but still) then there are plenty of servers left to play on.
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2009-09-30T19:38:56-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 14:38 The reason for not supporting Linux is simple. With linux support you would probably have to add at least a year of extra time to get this done. Because we know you want the patch as soon as possible, we had no option other than dump linux support. Also, there are perhaps 4 or 5 linux servers, while most are windows. Even if those 4-5 servers would need to quit because of this (I hope not, but still) then there are plenty of servers left to play on. Glad to see you're not trying to pander to 4-5 people over hundreds of others. I mean, having Linux support eventually would be nice, but if it really does extend work that much more, no sense bothering with it initially. Also, thanks for the list of fixed/added stuff. This is what we wanted.
creator: GEORGE ZIMMER
date: 2009-09-30T19:48:54-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Well, we do want/need the support of the serverowners, but this just wasn't a viable option at this time. Perhaps that we will release a linux version after TT is done, but that will take some more time. If there will be a linux version, it will be in a cleaner way than it is done in older versions of scripts. It would probably mean 2 different sources for windows and for linux.
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2009-09-30T21:03:22-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: jonwil wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 08:43 Make spawn locations (including powerups and players) more random can you elaborate on this, please... this will affect some maps like wallsfly and cityfly quite a lot. (i'm just talking about player spawns here) Quote: Fix for PT not working on rejoin very good. Quote: Fix for C4 disappearing when stuck to a vehicle very VERY good. Quote: Fix for bluehell very very VERY GOOD! Quote: Disable Toggle_Sorting console command that makes sense, i can't think of a single non-controversial use of it. Quote: Fix sniper lag by this do you mean the "flicker dance" when they strafe while scoped? Quote: New feature where vehicles remain teamed when player leaves (intended to solve an exploit where people get out just before the vehicle dies to deny the other side points) excellent, i've advocated that for a long time. question, though: how long will the team alignment last? Quote: C4 no longer gets defused when the owner leaves the game hmm, interesting... so if someone mines a base and then gets disconnected, the base isn't suddenly vulnerable, eh? presumably the prox mines will still do damage, but nobody will get the kill message/points? finally in regard to the pointsfix, how exactly will this work in regard to servers that don't want to use it?
creator: Spoony
date: 2009-09-30T22:29:31-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: How about the glitch to put timed c4's inside of a mct, or make it so that it cannot be repaired? Or putting tc4s inside a wall, so that no1 can see them at all, yet they are there, and still do dmg? It all seems good, and much appreciated obviously, just curious to know if these glitches will still be in the game? Also, the fact that the obelisk doesn't shoot at a angled mrls in field, so that the mrls can easily hit hon, obi, ref, and both turrets w/o worrying about obi hit..? If you would like an example of this, i will give you a short video if you pm me asking for 1, i will now show the video publicly, as these glitches are a bit..unfair imo.
creator: HaTe
date: 2009-10-01T00:01:03-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: With regards to the vehicles remain teamed thing, we have 2 tt.ini keywords related to it. NeutralVechiclePointsFix. Set this one to true (the default) to turn on the team thing and to false to turn it off. ScriptsLastTeamTime. Set this one to -1 (the default) to make the vehicles remain teamed thing last forever (i.e. until the vehicle is blown up) and to some other positive value to make it last that long. As of right now these are only settable via tt.ini (i.e. for mods) but we may end up supporting this in the future as a server side option. Sniper lag, I dont know exactly whats been fixed. I do know we fixed an issue APB was having where if you use a sniper scope to look at far away objects, they look like they warp/teleport around instead of moving smoothly (related to network updates not being sent properly or something) Player spawns, basically we made it more random so it wouldn't keep choosing the same 1 or 2 spawn locations all the time. I cant really explain more because I dont understand how the old algorithim for choosing spawn locations works. The pointsfix, for now its mandatory (and as far as I know it will remain so during the beta test cycle of 4.0) All the evidence we have shows that this is very clearly a bug in the game and as such, we will fix it. If enough people complain, we will look into making it server-optional. But we want people to at least try 4.0 with all the changes we made (not just this one fix in isolation) and see if it really does affect the gameplay that much. Also, note that Renegade Resurrection is NOT compatible with scripts.dll 4.0 and unless YRR puts a LOT of work into it, it will never work with 4.0 (in fact there are some things in RR that cant be made to work with 4.0 without breaking 4.0 features) Do note though that some bugs yrr fixed (as well as some bugs BI fixed in their mods) have been done in 4.0 (ported or redone properly) And of course if there are any RR features (those that aren't just giant hacks that is) …
creator: jonwil
date: 2009-10-01T01:05:20-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: jonwil wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 20:05 With regards to the vehicles remain teamed thing, we have 2 tt.ini keywords related to it. NeutralVechiclePointsFix. Set this one to true (the default) to turn on the team thing and to false to turn it off. ScriptsLastTeamTime. Set this one to -1 (the default) to make the vehicles remain teamed thing last forever (i.e. until the vehicle is blown up) and to some other positive value to make it last that long. ah right, so set ScripsLastTeamTime to 5 and it'll stay aligned for 5 seconds, then go back to neutral? As of right now these are only settable via tt.ini (i.e. for mods) but we may end up supporting this in the future as a server side option. jonwil wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 20:05 Player spawns, basically we made it more random so it wouldn't keep choosing the same 1 or 2 spawn locations all the time. I cant really explain more because I dont understand how the old algorithim for choosing spawn locations works. hmmm... maybe check that? jonwil wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 20:05 The pointsfix, for now its mandatory (and as far as I know it will remain so during the beta test cycle of 4.0) All the evidence we have shows that this is very clearly a bug in the game and as such, we will fix it. If enough people complain, we will look into making it server-optional. But we want people to at least try 4.0 with all the changes we made (not just this one fix in isolation) and see if it really does affect the gameplay that much. believe me, enough people will complain. it certainly is a bug, and i have always argued that fixing it is a vast improvement to gameplay in every sense, but I believe TT's official position is that it won't be compulsory. certainly it should replace the pointsbug (i.e. the current state, where scores and credits are just downright wrong) as the default state, but I do think people ought to be able to use the points bug in their own communities (even though A GREAT MANY people who want this op…
creator: Spoony
date: 2009-10-01T01:17:15-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Everything looks good I just have one suggestion: why not make 'QUIT' quit the current server for the client(instead of exiting the game)? It'd make much more sense and would be helpful.
creator: Lone0001
date: 2009-10-01T02:33:36-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: This is really awesome and much needed fixes in some areas. Thank you for that vast update jonwil. Also, will you also fix the Medium tank repair bug where the repair gun won't repair if you aim it on the GDI logo? It is a really annoying glitch especially during teching. Spoony wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 20:17 another thing that might possibly be fixed... Deadzones on Mesa? Spoony, what do you mean by the Mesa deadzones? The zones on the map where you shoot enemy buildings within range but the shells just won't cause damage? Is this what you mean? If yes, then yes I hope it gets fixed. It will open up new areas in the map to attack from. edit: typo
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2009-10-01T02:46:32-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: pawkyfox wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 21:46 Spoony wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 20:17 another thing that might possibly be fixed... Deadzones on Mesa? Spoony, what do you mean by the Mesa deadzones? The zones on the map where you shoot enemy buildings within range but the shells just won't cause damage? Is this what you mean? If yes, then yes I hope it gets fixed. It will open up new areas in the map to attack from. there are three deadzones on mesa. - on the bridge. tanks on the bridge can't fully attack targets on the ground. they can't readily hit buildings, they only do partial damage to vehicles, and they don't deal splash damage to infantry. - side path near the Nod refinery. med doesn't damage the airstrip ramp. also there's a bizarre situation where if you aim at the turret, you do half damage to the turret and full damage to the refinery - the infantry-only area between the two refineries. grenadiers and rocket soldiers can't readily attack the airstrip ramp. the bridge is the main one that needs fixed.
creator: Spoony
date: 2009-10-01T03:03:05-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Spoony wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 22:03 pawkyfox wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 21:46 Spoony wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 20:17 another thing that might possibly be fixed... Deadzones on Mesa? Spoony, what do you mean by the Mesa deadzones? The zones on the map where you shoot enemy buildings within range but the shells just won't cause damage? Is this what you mean? If yes, then yes I hope it gets fixed. It will open up new areas in the map to attack from. there are three deadzones on mesa. - on the bridge. tanks on the bridge can't fully attack targets on the ground. they can't readily hit buildings, they only do partial damage to vehicles, and they don't deal splash damage to infantry. - side path near the Nod refinery. med doesn't damage the airstrip ramp. also there's a bizarre situation where if you aim at the turret, you do half damage to the turret and full damage to the refinery - the infantry-only area between the two refineries. grenadiers and rocket soldiers can't readily attack the airstrip ramp. the bridge is the main one that needs fixed. Ohh I see...never knew about the refinery deadzones. Definitely think the bridge will be the most important. I used to think about this and I always thought the bridge deadzone has to be fixed bcause I think it will enhance the gameplay on this map. With the bridge becoming an area to control with tanks, we can have a situation where cave fests can be countered. So teams will fight for control of the bridge as well. The one with the grenadier unable to target the strip is most annoying especially after Nod resorts to teched arts and kills every GDI harv that goes out...money becomes a bit tight.
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2009-10-01T03:29:51-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: What I said is that the pointsfix is currently mandatory and if the community shows a wish to have it optional, we will implement that as a server-side option (with damage being serverside now for anti-cheat purposes making it a server-side option is possible) The decision as to whether to add a "disable pointfix" option will be made at some point during the beta test cycle of 4.0 most likely. (no I dont have a date for when public beta testing will begin) As for cheats, we are doing everything we can to stop and catch cheaters. Medium tank repair bug, no clue on that one. I believe we were talking about releasing a fixed set of ren maps as part of 4.0 (i.e. all the stock maps taken and fixed up ala the Core Patches). If the Mesa dead zones are map bugs they will be fixed that way most likely.
creator: jonwil
date: 2009-10-01T03:44:57-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: I just read through the whole list and I must say this looks like such an awesome leap of improvements
creator: dr3w2
date: 2009-10-01T03:49:47-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: for the very most part it is, but they're trying to sneak some bullshit through there that they already said was not going to be that way
creator: liquidv2
date: 2009-10-01T03:52:19-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: I can't go into too many details yet, because they are still being fleshed out, but as far as the official ladder calculations are concerned, we are working on a way for points-fixed and points-bugged servers to both be able to participate on the ladder. More details will be coming very soon but we want to get the base of the new plan in place before allowing everyone to stick their two cents in.
creator: Crimson
date: 2009-10-01T05:34:30-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Warning: any point fix related reply should go in this topic.
creator: Goztow
date: 2009-10-01T07:02:16-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Oh and about Linux support for those who mentioned it, its not as simple as it looks due to the way GCC works. Unless you understand stuff about the ASM generated by GCC when you compile stuff, dont pretend you have a clue how long it will take to port 4.0 to the LFDS.
creator: jonwil
date: 2009-10-01T07:17:37-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: hell of a list: seems the coders had a very busy time THX for that dedication Quote: New script JFW_Empty_Vehicle_Timer which will destroy an empty vehicle if it remains empty for a certain period of time Does that mean I cannot park an empty vehicle for the entire game? Like a stolen enemy tank (to decrease their limit) or one to block the harv at the bay? Quote: Cleaned up screenshot code to eliminate screenshot lag and to work better in windowed mode will print screen work on endgame screen?
creator: Wiener
date: 2009-10-01T07:25:13-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Sad about the lost support for Linux FDS. Does it work under WINE? Quote: C4 no longer gets defused when the owner leaves the game Could this cause a problem with someone placing an impossible-to-reach-nuke and then when they leave/get kicked it is still there? Finally, is the stack-nuke exploit fixed?
creator: Veyrdite
date: 2009-10-01T07:26:57-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: The JFW_Empty_Vehicle_Timer script is only for objects that you actually attach it to (which means its not for stock renegade) And no, I dont think you can take screenshots of dialog boxes.
creator: jonwil
date: 2009-10-01T07:57:46-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: ok, thats just a minor thing anyway
creator: Wiener
date: 2009-10-01T07:59:15-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: sounds all good, expect for the pointmod. my question: whats with skins and models? i couldnt use renguard coz it didnt allow my harvy, gun turret,agt and the coloured shots. i like to play with a "pretty" ren and so i really hope such kind of models are allowed. greetz telly ^^
creator: tellsson
date: 2009-10-01T08:34:57-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: With regard to textures, we only cheat check the stealth texture and the sniper scope. The rest are not checked. We do not check audio files at all. All w3d files are checked. It will be up to the individual server whether a given w3d file (or whatever) is valid or not. There will also be a "no file check" option for the server that turns off all the file checking. Details for the server bits are still being worked out.
creator: jonwil
date: 2009-10-01T09:48:12-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: About cheat detection: 1. will server owners be able to screenshot player's screens? It was mentioned before this would be included. 2. will c4 skins be checked?
creator: Goztow
date: 2009-10-01T12:16:58-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Goztow wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 14:16 About cheat detection: 1. will server owners be able to screenshot player's screens? It was mentioned before this would be included. 2. will c4 skins be checked? We did agree on the screenshot feature, and it *should be* included, but I'm unsure whether there has been any work done on it. C4 skins should indeed be checked as well.
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2009-10-01T12:19:19-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Remote screenshot functionality IS in and 100% working last I checked. You will (as of now) need to be able to run a web server that can respond to the specific upload sent by the client. As for C4 textures checking textures applied to 3d models (i.e. not textures directly referenced by the code) would place a lot of load on the CPU, especially if we only want to check some textures and not others. With remote screenshot, it is possible to simply grab a screenshot of any player suspected of using C4 cheats at a point when they are looking at a C4 object.
creator: jonwil
date: 2009-10-01T13:03:14-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Does number 1. include regular random screenshots at configurable times (e.g. every hour, or at joining, or at leaving)?
creator: Goztow
date: 2009-10-01T13:09:01-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: jonwil wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 15:03 Remote screenshot functionality IS in and 100% working last I checked. You will (as of now) need to be able to run a web server that can respond to the specific upload sent by the client. As for C4 textures checking textures applied to 3d models (i.e. not textures directly referenced by the code) would place a lot of load on the CPU, especially if we only want to check some textures and not others. With remote screenshot, it is possible to simply grab a screenshot of any player suspected of using C4 cheats at a point when they are looking at a C4 object. Wouldn't it just be possible to check the skins hash against a list of allowed hashes by the host?
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2009-10-01T13:19:05-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Goztow wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 21:09 Does number 1. include regular random screenshots at configurable times (e.g. every hour, or at joining, or at leaving)? No, there is no such feature. But its easy to make your bot trigger remote screenshots anytime you like (e.g. by detecting the player join message and triggering remote screenshot then)
creator: jonwil
date: 2009-10-01T13:39:04-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: -removed- don't wanna aruge this. someone can delete this
creator: raven
date: 2009-10-01T14:54:33-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: stoned brought up a question in another forum Quote: Add base defence scripts that ignore stealth what do you mean by this.. out of curiosity
creator: masterkna
date: 2009-10-01T14:58:12-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: I believe he means making Obelisks, AGTs and turrets not shoot at fully cloaked infantry and vehicles. Spoony wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 20:17 another thing that might possibly be fixed... Deadzones on Mesa? That actually appears to happen when you attack stuff from above. It also happens on hourglass from top of hill (I think so at least). Also, it was my idea to drop LFDS support!
creator: Sir Kane
date: 2009-10-01T18:14:07-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Sir Kane wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 13:14 Also, it was my idea to drop LFDS support! Good call...
creator: lion
date: 2009-10-01T19:00:22-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: I think the deadzones were mentioned before: they are fixed. They are not special zones, it's just that the netcode was unable to send target points that are (far) below the player's position. About LFDS support: it requires us making all hooks compatible, do additional testing, fetch the correct addresses and place them at the right places, etc. It's a lot of work, and it's mostly useless because the amount of active linux servers is really low...
creator: StealthEye
date: 2009-10-01T19:53:20-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Wiener wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 02:25 hell of a list: seems the coders had a very busy time THX for that dedication Quote: New script JFW_Empty_Vehicle_Timer which will destroy an empty vehicle if it remains empty for a certain period of time Does that mean I cannot park an empty vehicle for the entire game? Like a stolen enemy tank (to decrease their limit) or one to block the harv at the bay? Quote: Cleaned up screenshot code to eliminate screenshot lag and to work better in windowed mode will print screen work on endgame screen? Why not make your own script server side, most ppl play on servers not on there own
creator: Sladewill
date: 2009-10-01T21:46:51-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Wiener wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 03:25 Quote: New script JFW_Empty_Vehicle_Timer which will destroy an empty vehicle if it remains empty for a certain period of time Does that mean I cannot park an empty vehicle for the entire game? Like a stolen enemy tank (to decrease their limit) or one to block the harv at the bay? Just because a script is created doesn't mean it's "activated" on every vehicle in the game, just that it's available for use by modders/server owners/whatever
creator: saberhawk
date: 2009-10-01T22:26:31-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: StealthEye wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 14:53 I think the deadzones were mentioned before: they are fixed. They are not special zones, it's just that the netcode was unable to send target points that are (far) below the player's position. That would explain the bridge, but not a med/mammy/MRLS on the side path, nor a grenadier/gunner on the infantry-only area hitting the airstrip... If someone has fixed this, can they knock us up a quick fix for it so we can test it? This WILL affect Mesa (I happen to think it'll give GDI the edge, a med on the bridge will be a powerhouse now, and many people are currently convinced that Nod owns the map when the pointsfix is there, so this might smooth things out) Sir Kane wrote That actually appears to happen when you attack stuff from above. It also happens on hourglass from top of hill (I think so at least). yes, you are correct. when a tank retreats from you down the hill past a certain level (which isn't far), you only do about half damage to it. it's also why you can't DIRECTLY attack the buildings you'd think you'd be able to attack from the hill - of course many people know the reticle trick, but you really shouldn't have to explain this to a new player every time. (it's sad to see a new player who's honestly convinced they're hitting the PP with an arty when they're not, eh?) this ought to be fixed too, though i don't think it's as big an issue as mesa.
creator: Spoony
date: 2009-10-02T00:42:53-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Spoony wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 19:42 [it's also why you can't DIRECTLY attack the buildings you'd think you'd be able to attack from the hill - of course many people know the reticle trick, but you really shouldn't have to explain this to a new player every time. the last time i did hourglass the agt ended up dying so i put my arty over the very edge of the hill so it started aiming downwards and i could hit the barracks if i lined my reticle up on it and still aimed at the ground i did the same with tanks and infantry and could do full damage provided i wasn't actually pointing at what i was trying to hit, if you understand what i'm saying same with the bridge, i took a mammoth up there the last time you and me played mesa and aimed at the ground so my rockets did full damage to your tech who ended up dying along with your arty and soon after my mammoth but it was worth it!11
creator: liquidv2
date: 2009-10-02T00:51:17-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: liquidv2 wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 19:51 the last time i did hourglass the agt ended up dying so i put my arty over the very edge of the hill so it started aiming downwards and i could hit the barracks if i lined my reticle up on it and still aimed at the ground i did the same with tanks and infantry and could do full damage provided i wasn't actually pointing at what i was trying to hit, if you understand what i'm saying i do, yes. but a new player shouldn't have to be told this, and he's highly unlikely to work it out by himself without spending a LOT of time on the issue.
creator: Spoony
date: 2009-10-02T01:05:15-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 07:19 Goztow wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 14:16 About cheat detection: 1. will server owners be able to screenshot player's screens? It was mentioned before this would be included. 2. will c4 skins be checked? We did agree on the screenshot feature, and it *should be* included, but I'm unsure whether there has been any work done on it. C4 skins should indeed be checked as well. Sorry but the whole c4 checking thing is fkin retarded. There are tons of different c4 textures (with more being made) and who decides which ones are ok and which ones arnt? Also, even if there was a standard, what would be the penalty? Most people just like to have skins to pretty up the game, because, tbh, the original textures kinda blow. Remote screenshots are great for catching suspected cheaters, but using the feature for things as petty as checking for c4 skins is just stupid.
creator: RadioactiveHell
date: 2009-10-02T04:43:10-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Radio, if a server doesn't allow c4 skins except whitelisted ones, then the player will just see the standard c4 skin. That's the "penalty". i doubt many servers will actually block a lot of skins, as they're too afraid they'll loose players. The KOSs2 server actually aims for a specific public, though, which will surely appreciate the fact we'll try to put everyone on an as equal level as possible. We'll probably white list a range of skins that we find acceptable and that our players ask us to judge on. It's eventually all up to the server owner to determine how his server works and up to the player to decide if this server suits him.
creator: Goztow
date: 2009-10-02T06:47:52-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Quote: That would explain the bridge, but not a med/mammy/MRLS on the side path, nor a grenadier/gunner on the infantry-only area hitting the airstrip... If someone has fixed this, can they knock us up a quick fix for it so we can test it? This WILL affect Mesa (I happen to think it'll give GDI the edge, a med on the bridge will be a powerhouse now, and many people are currently convinced that Nod owns the map when the pointsfix is there, so this might smooth things out) I thought you'd know the map well enough to know that you're actually quite a bit higher than the target you're shooting, hence it explains it perfectly well. I checked it just to be sure, but it's definitely that. If you go a bit down the slope, then you can suddenly hit them properly again. They are therefore definitely caused by the same bug, which is fixed. The turret problem you're mentioning is the exact same thing: you can only do impact damage, not splash damage. Impact damage on non building objects is not bugged; it works everywhere. That's also the reason why you only do about half damage when shooting down from the bridge: you do impact damage but the splash damage is not done. Same story applies to hourglass.
creator: StealthEye
date: 2009-10-02T20:22:29-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: would it not have been better to release all the important stuff a year earlier( antichet, bluescreen, shooting through logo, wf glitch) then release it in another 4 months with a bunch of uselsss stuff/less important fixes?
creator: ELiT3FLyR
date: 2009-10-03T14:06:34-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: ELiT3FLyR wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 09:06 would it not have been better to release all the important stuff a year earlier( antichet, bluescreen, shooting through logo, wf glitch) then release it in another 4 months with a bunch of uselsss stuff/less important fixes? Code is interconnected and would be impossible to release one without the other. In programming it is best to have the code interconnected because it speeds up the process and is more efficient in runtime.
creator: KobraOps
date: 2009-10-03T14:54:04-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: i wont pretend to understand that but i dont get a few things. why people are even debating about pointfix, why are useless bugs being fixed at the same time as really important things like bluescreening and antichet. i dont really care if i fall through the hand on field or if i dont spawn in the barracks on city, or if i warp when i scope. i just think things couldve been done better if certain bugs were fixed first but whatever i guess.
creator: ELiT3FLyR
date: 2009-10-03T15:19:42-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: you first shouild ahve read the list of things being fixed already
creator: Wiener
date: 2009-10-03T15:51:15-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: StealthEye wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 15:22 Quote: That would explain the bridge, but not a med/mammy/MRLS on the side path, nor a grenadier/gunner on the infantry-only area hitting the airstrip... If someone has fixed this, can they knock us up a quick fix for it so we can test it? This WILL affect Mesa (I happen to think it'll give GDI the edge, a med on the bridge will be a powerhouse now, and many people are currently convinced that Nod owns the map when the pointsfix is there, so this might smooth things out) I thought you'd know the map well enough to know that you're actually quite a bit higher than the target you're shooting, hence it explains it perfectly well. I checked it just to be sure, but it's definitely that. If you go a bit down the slope, then you can suddenly hit them properly again. They are therefore definitely caused by the same bug, which is fixed. The turret problem you're mentioning is the exact same thing: you can only do impact damage, not splash damage. Impact damage on non building objects is not bugged; it works everywhere. That's also the reason why you only do about half damage when shooting down from the bridge: you do impact damage but the splash damage is not done. Same story applies to hourglass. i'll repeat the question: if a fix has been created, can we start testing it now?
creator: Spoony
date: 2009-10-03T16:16:01-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Spoony wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 18:16 StealthEye wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 15:22 Quote: That would explain the bridge, but not a med/mammy/MRLS on the side path, nor a grenadier/gunner on the infantry-only area hitting the airstrip... If someone has fixed this, can they knock us up a quick fix for it so we can test it? This WILL affect Mesa (I happen to think it'll give GDI the edge, a med on the bridge will be a powerhouse now, and many people are currently convinced that Nod owns the map when the pointsfix is there, so this might smooth things out) I thought you'd know the map well enough to know that you're actually quite a bit higher than the target you're shooting, hence it explains it perfectly well. I checked it just to be sure, but it's definitely that. If you go a bit down the slope, then you can suddenly hit them properly again. They are therefore definitely caused by the same bug, which is fixed. The turret problem you're mentioning is the exact same thing: you can only do impact damage, not splash damage. Impact damage on non building objects is not bugged; it works everywhere. That's also the reason why you only do about half damage when shooting down from the bridge: you do impact damage but the splash damage is not done. Same story applies to hourglass. i'll repeat the question: if a fix has been created, can we start testing it now? You can start testing as soon as we have a "stable" beta.
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2009-10-03T20:28:16-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Is the neutral shell bug gonna be fixed? Because it's fun to use.
creator: Iran
date: 2009-10-05T21:44:56-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Iran wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 23:44 Is the neutral shell bug gonna be fixed? Because it's fun to use. True.
creator: DutchNeon
date: 2009-10-05T23:38:05-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Until you get banned off a really laggy server for using it, although there are no rules banning its use. I don't need to name the server because everyone knows about which server I'm talking.
creator: Iran
date: 2009-10-05T23:44:40-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Quote: Improved anti-cheat that checks sensitive files and does other good stuff. that's all we need
creator: BLÃ»Îµl4Î²êL
date: 2009-10-06T01:22:30-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: DutchNeon wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 01:38 Iran wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 23:44 Is the neutral shell bug gonna be fixed? Because it's fun to use. True. It will be fixed. One shouldn't damage teammates with a bug. Friendly Fire is off for a reason. Goz, could you put this guy on our shared banlist please? Saves us having such a lamer in the servers.
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2009-10-06T07:39:31-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: A couple features added: Prevent reloading if your clip is full Change script zones so you can now associate a preset (e.g. soldier or vehicle) with it (this will be used later for the naval yard building controler) Add a new script zone type for naval purchase Make NeutralVechiclePointsFix tt.ini keyword work again Fix an issue with save games Add new tt.ini keyword to control the points to credits multiplier (i.e. how many credits you get for each point). We may also make this available via server configs in order to allow server owners to change this (as one part of a possible alternative to running with the "points bug") although nothing has been decided yet. Add new stuff so that scope data can be stored in the weapon definition itself (instead of the scopes.cfg that is used now)
creator: jonwil
date: 2009-10-06T11:13:30-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: jonwil wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 06:13 Prevent reloading if your clip is full Aw, I love reloading for no reason! It's awesome for my ADD.
creator: Ethenal
date: 2009-10-06T20:52:00-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: jonwil wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 04:13 A couple features added: Prevent reloading if your clip is full This also indirectly fixes the bug where you can get the reload sound to play without the animation if you spam-press "R".
creator: Dover
date: 2009-10-06T20:54:52-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: I actually fixed that cause I had a few minutes free time and it was an easy fix
creator: Ghostshaw
date: 2009-10-06T21:06:32-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: I stand corrected.
creator: Dover
date: 2009-10-06T21:07:33-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: jonwil, I have no idea if anyone else has brought this up before. But is there something in scripts 3.4.4 that causes more warp? Really I only notice it when someone is free falling or jumping. Their movement pattern is not smooth. For example if someone is up high in an orca and dies, they sort of warp spot to spot til they hit the ground. This doesn't happen in 2.9.2 or previous versions what so ever. If I get a chance I'll take a video of this if you don't know what I mean.
creator: Homey
date: 2009-10-07T05:47:13-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Quote: fix so that standing right next to the WF wont cause your vehicle to get destroyed by mistake Oh I hate that glitch, thats so annoying! It just drives me nuts when I'm standing next to the WF and then my vehicle explod... Ummm, wait, Sense when did your vehicle explode, it was always the player died prior to 3.4.4...
creator: Jerad2142
date: 2009-10-07T17:42:13-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Jerad Gray wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 18:42 Quote: fix so that standing right next to the WF wont cause your vehicle to get destroyed by mistake Oh I hate that glitch, thats so annoying! It just drives me nuts when I'm standing next to the WF and then my vehicle explod... Ummm, wait, Sense when did your vehicle explode, it was always the player died prior to 3.4.4... You've never ever had this? Wow, I'll FRAPS it for you?
creator: CarrierII
date: 2009-10-07T17:50:38-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: CarrierII wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 11:50 Jerad Gray wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 18:42 Quote: fix so that standing right next to the WF wont cause your vehicle to get destroyed by mistake Oh I hate that glitch, thats so annoying! It just drives me nuts when I'm standing next to the WF and then my vehicle explod... Ummm, wait, Sense when did your vehicle explode, it was always the player died prior to 3.4.4... You've never ever had this? Wow, I'll FRAPS it for you? Your tank explodes while you stand next to the WF?
creator: Jerad2142
date: 2009-10-07T17:59:22-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: If you or your tank are next to the WF bay wall and someone builds a tank, it's curtains for you.
creator: CarrierII
date: 2009-10-07T18:32:09-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: CarrierII wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 12:32 If you or your tank are next to the WF bay wall and someone builds a tank, it's curtains for you. I usually sit in a tank lol.
creator: Jerad2142
date: 2009-10-07T19:00:22-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Either your tank will die if you're in one, or you will die if you aren't. The bay itself is the only place where this is supposed to happen, I guess it doesn't line up properly so if you're too close you can lose your tank or die. Islands can be one of the worst ones IMO
creator: Homey
date: 2009-10-07T20:00:06-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: I don't have much trouble with the WF because once you build your veh and get in you don't have to get even close to the kill zone but with Nod and It's strip, on Complex for example It can get pretty annoying shooting at a tank and not realize your close to the strip and blow up from a newly bought tank.
creator: Blue_Leader
date: 2009-10-07T21:48:04-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Blue_Leader wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 23:48 I don't have much trouble with the WF because once you build your veh and get in you don't have to get even close to the kill zone but with Nod and It's strip, on Complex for example It can get pretty annoying shooting at a tank and not realize your close to the strip and blow up from a newly bought tank. Play Islands, be GDI, and try to drive your med out of the base as fast as possible. You'll probably drive too close to the WF. If someone buys another med, you're screwed.
creator: EvilWhiteDragon
date: 2009-10-08T07:02:54-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 09:39 DutchNeon wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 01:38 Iran wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 23:44 Is the neutral shell bug gonna be fixed? Because it's fun to use. True. It will be fixed. One shouldn't damage teammates with a bug. Friendly Fire is off for a reason. Goz, could you put this guy on our shared banlist please? Saves us having such a lamer in the servers. Now, ask yourself the question why Jelly mods haven't banned me yet, while most of them know I use this "bug" quite often Edit: Haven't read through this topic, nor most of the topics in this section, but are we also getting automatic reloaded pistols at the start of the map, and after deaths?
creator: DutchNeon
date: 2009-10-09T17:24:20-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Yes.
creator: Goztow
date: 2009-10-09T17:28:33-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Goztow wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 19:28 Yes. Cool Was a nuisance to reload your pistol each time, although it turns into a habit.
creator: DutchNeon
date: 2009-10-09T18:00:39-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 01:39 DutchNeon wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 01:38 Iran wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 23:44 Is the neutral shell bug gonna be fixed? Because it's fun to use. True. It will be fixed. One shouldn't damage teammates with a bug. Friendly Fire is off for a reason. Goz, could you put this guy on our shared banlist please? Saves us having such a lamer in the servers. Thats right! If you have the power use it! Smite those that disagree with you, if they don't think the same they shouldn't be allowed to play the games they paid for! Best part is that even if they all go and start bitching to EA nothing will come of it, because EA never does anything!
creator: Jerad2142
date: 2009-10-09T18:10:43-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Jerad Gray wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 11:10 EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 01:39 DutchNeon wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 01:38 Iran wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 23:44 Is the neutral shell bug gonna be fixed? Because it's fun to use. True. It will be fixed. One shouldn't damage teammates with a bug. Friendly Fire is off for a reason. Goz, could you put this guy on our shared banlist please? Saves us having such a lamer in the servers. Thats right! If you have the power use it! Smite those that disagree with you, if they don't think the same they shouldn't be allowed to play the games they paid for! Best part is that even if they all go and start bitching to EA nothing will come of it, because EA never does anything! This sounds like an endorsement to use hacks. ARE YOU A HACKER SIR HMM?
creator: Dover
date: 2009-10-09T19:39:09-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: jonwil wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 06:13 Prevent reloading if your clip is full nice!
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2009-10-09T20:29:09-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: pawkyfox wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 22:29 jonwil wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 06:13 Prevent reloading if your clip is full nice! Awww if im bored or walking a long distance i like to reload for nothing ^^
creator: Omar007
date: 2009-10-09T20:37:26-00:00

Re: Details of some of the features in 4.0
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description: Omar007 wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 22:37 pawkyfox wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 22:29 jonwil wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 06:13 Prevent reloading if your clip is full nice! Awww if im bored or walking a long distance i like to reload for nothing ^^ Same. I tend to do that a lot when I'm sbh with my Laser Rifle or Pistol
creator: DutchNeon
date: 2009-10-09T21:03:17-00:00