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My other topic about PM's got locked. I personally did not say anything about all the other shit in my PM's topic (funny how everyone else saw it that way). Nor have I ever used my PM's here for conspiracy related to that other shit. But if this is the way it is gonna be handled it is just gonna end the same way as the other thread about using powers here in a biased way... Edit: Now that i think about it this should prolly get moved to heated discussions, if it is not locked. Don't bother deleting it as I am taking a SS and saving it for proof that it actually was here.
Wonder why it was locked :S And I bet any answer someone gives me will be biased.
It was locked for the same reason his PMs are blocked. And for the same reason why this thread will be locked soon.
Negative thoughts about n00bstories are illegal
Crimson/whoever is locking these threads and such, I understand the want to remove any negativity in these forums, and while I do understand that a thread that relates to n00bstories will usually result in flaming, don't just up and lock it when no negativity has really been spread. The guy asked an honest question, and got honest answers. There's a line between keeping things tidy and being a nazi. Try not to cross that line, or people will get pissed and even more people will leave the Renegade community.
I agree. This isn't about the integrity of n00bstories but rather the collective Renegade community gathering on a single forum. If the n00bstories servers and backups all just up and exploded, leaving the world for ever, Renegade would still live on. The n00bstories hate prevention can very well lead to people leaving the community, and that effects everyone in the game as a whole, not just people who like or dislike n00bstories. Now, I don't have any clue what the debate about it is, and nor do I care.. but what I do know is that if people stop playing Renegade for reasons relating to n00bstories, then that effects me as a fellow player.
All I want is either my PM's to be magically turned back on, or for the person who turned them off to give me a good answer as to why they are off... hopefully one that wouldn't be biased towards any paticular server. I will completely drop all of this, if I get one of the above.
I have also been left in the dark about this, I don't even know why.
I can't help you on either of those, unfortunately :-S.
My PM is disabled as well (why, I dont know), and I would appreciate it for it to be reenabled.
We all know it's because you guys are part of the Exodus community that your pm system got disabled, no use in avoiding it.
Well I'd expect consistency I'm an admin there and I still have full use of my PMs
Lol, I am not actually a part of any community atm... tbh, lately I have been playing in a lot of servers, mostly jelly. Sadly I even played in n00bstories for a lil bit the other day... The only reason I made the topic about the word filter was because that was complete BS to be on a forums that is supposed to bring all of the Renegade community together. I know this will never happen, but I think there should be a list of links to ALL Renegade related websites, rather they be for servers, skins, or anything else. How can this be the public forums if it is obviously biased to certain communities and people. Sadly, after all the "PR" Crimson has done with different groups, you'd think she'd be a lil bit better at it.
Renegade related websites come and go. If you look at the number of "clans" that are created and only last a week or two, then you know that what you suggest is impossible. A wiki system could work if there's dedicated people, but my call for help with the renegadewiki and renegadecommunity news got exactly one positive reply, nothing else. If the community doesn't care for it, then I won't care for it either...
Chew wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 05:34 Lol, I am not actually a part of any community atm... tbh, lately I have been playing in a lot of servers, mostly jelly. Sadly I even played in n00bstories for a lil bit the other day... The only reason I made the topic about the word filter was because that was complete BS to be on a forums that is supposed to bring all of the Renegade community together. I know this will never happen, but I think there should be a list of links to ALL Renegade related websites, rather they be for servers, skins, or anything else. How can this be the public forums if it is obviously biased to certain communities and people. Sadly, after all the "PR" Crimson has done with different groups, you'd think she'd be a lil bit better at it. Personally I don't think Crimson herself is the problem really. The problem is more that she doesn't communicate with people, or not in a way that allows constructive ideas which are not fully in the line with Crimson's ideas. In an ideal world the Renegade Forums would have a board of directors (say 3 or 5 people) which would've been chosen by the users of the forums. They would set up the rules, policies and would suggest people for moderatorship. Before someone can become a moderator, the users should have to agree, and the users should also be able to suggest other people for moderatorship. Moderators shouldn't have any power besides what they have to. This would mean that they would also be bound to the rules as agreed by the users. In such world it would hardly be impossible to be unhappy with how Renegadeforums is run. Also it would be impossible to say that anyone of the directors or other important persons is abusing their powers. This should enable Renegadeforums to be truely THE forum for ALL communities, even if some of them may disagree with others.
It would also make it very hard to run these forums, especially if the board directors wouldn't agree on an issue. You can't expect the masses to always make the best decisions. A 100 % democratic approach does, IMO and in my experience, not work in these cases. An as democratic as possible approach could be to ask people's opinions to be able to make an educated decision.
The best way to run this forum is to keep it the same as it is now. The only change I would make is allowing everyone equal rights unless they do something to harm this site specifically. Meaning, everyone should be allowed to PM, regardless of their community ties. However, if they were to say, hack someone's account and log in as an admin or something, then that's when permissions for that person should start being taken away. The point is, even though the head admin here is the same person who leads n00bstories, this community should generally have nothing to do with n00bstories or their ties.
R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 19:58 The best way to run this forum is to keep it the same as it is now. The only change I would make is allowing everyone equal rights unless they do something to harm this site specifically. Meaning, everyone should be allowed to PM, regardless of their community ties. However, if they were to say, hack someone's account and log in as an admin or something, then that's when permissions for that person should start being taken away. The point is, even though the head admin here is the same person who leads n00bstories, this community should generally have nothing to do with n00bstories or their ties. Agreed. The two separate entities are not related and shouldn't be treated as such.
raven wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 04:25 Well I'd expect consistency I'm an admin there and I still have full use of my PMs Same here. It might be removed after this post, but oh well, so be it.
Goztow wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 15:11 It would also make it very hard to run these forums, especially if the board directors wouldn't agree on an issue. You can't expect the masses to always make the best decisions. A 100 % democratic approach does, IMO and in my experience, not work in these cases. An as democratic as possible approach could be to ask people's opinions to be able to make an educated decision. I said in an ideal world. I though it was obvious that this world is far from ideal? On the directors not agreeing, if you have 5 people who have to vote, there will always be a majority.
The only people who should have their PM permissions removed is any person who tried to post information originally posted in n00bstories' private forums. As I do not issue these restrictions, the theory may be different from reality. Do not shoot me for this
CarrierII wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 19:08 The only people who should have their PM permissions removed is any person who tried to post information originally posted in n00bstories' private forums. As I do not issue these restrictions, the theory may be different from reality. Do not shoot me for this Why just n00bstories? The same should be true for anyone that posts things from any communities private forums.
futura83 wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 20:34 CarrierII wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 19:08 The only people who should have their PM permissions removed is any person who tried to post information originally posted in n00bstories' private forums. As I do not issue these restrictions, the theory may be different from reality. Do not shoot me for this Why just n00bstories? The same should be true for anyone that posts things from any communities private forums. Because it only happened to NS so far. But yes, the same would happen with people from other communities (see rules)...
EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 08:08 Chew wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 05:34 Lol, I am not actually a part of any community atm... tbh, lately I have been playing in a lot of servers, mostly jelly. Sadly I even played in n00bstories for a lil bit the other day... The only reason I made the topic about the word filter was because that was complete BS to be on a forums that is supposed to bring all of the Renegade community together. I know this will never happen, but I think there should be a list of links to ALL Renegade related websites, rather they be for servers, skins, or anything else. How can this be the public forums if it is obviously biased to certain communities and people. Sadly, after all the "PR" Crimson has done with different groups, you'd think she'd be a lil bit better at it. >Personally I don't think Crimson herself is the problem really<wtf?. >The problem is more that she doesn't communicate with people< =crimson is part of the problem then lol, or not in a way that allows constructive ideas which are not fully in the line with Crimson's ideas. In an ideal world the Renegade Forums would have a board of directors (say 3 or 5 people) which would've been chosen by the users of the forums. They would set up the rules, policies and would suggest people for moderatorship. Before someone can become a moderator, the users should have to agree, and the users should also be able to suggest other people for moderatorship. Moderators shouldn't have any power besides what they have to. This would mean that they would also be bound to the rules as agreed by the users. In such world it would hardly be impossible to be unhappy with how Renegadeforums is run. Also it would be impossible to say that anyone of the directors or other important persons is abusing their powers. This should enable Renegadeforums to be truely THE forum for ALL communities, even if some of them may disagree with others. This is what should happen yes either she does this forum and get away from n00bstories or visa vera,but having both is problimatic yes.
Goztow wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 20:44 futura83 wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 20:34 CarrierII wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 19:08 The only people who should have their PM permissions removed is any person who tried to post information originally posted in n00bstories' private forums. As I do not issue these restrictions, the theory may be different from reality. Do not shoot me for this Why just n00bstories? The same should be true for anyone that posts things from any communities private forums. Because it only happened to NS so far. But yes, the same would happen with people from other communities (see rules)... It could also be that it never happened before because there wasn't any rule on that matter before the NS incident. Therefor these people should've been warned, not have it removed. At least, that is what I would deem fair...
you're way too fair and level-headed EWD, get out of here!
futura83 wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 14:34 Why just n00bstories? The same should be true for anyone that posts things from any communities private forums. I think another part of the reason, other than what's listed above, is the fact that Crimson has her own connection to n00bstories. I have a feeling that if it was some other community, besides n00bstories, that had their private info disclosed that no action would have been taken.
That's bullshit. I've removed countless Reborn leaks, leaks of other mods, people's private information (such as phone numbers, real names), etc. over the years. It's only now that NS has become a victim that all of sudden I'm "biased".
Crimson wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 00:37 That's bullshit. I've removed countless Reborn leaks, leaks of other mods, people's private information (such as phone numbers, real names), etc. over the years. It's only now that NS has become a victim that all of sudden I'm "biased". Well, I've leaked nothing, and yet no PM priv's. =/
Well I've definitely not tried to leak confidential information or mods.
Crimson wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 07:37 That's bullshit. I've removed countless Reborn leaks, leaks of other mods, people's private information (such as phone numbers, real names), etc. over the years. It's only now that NS has become a victim that all of sudden I'm "biased". I'm not saying that you're biased, I'm saying that it is kinda unfair to remove peoples PM privilige directly when you apply a new rule. They didn't know that beforehand (because it did not exist) so you should've warned then and give them another chance. I'm sure that if these people really mean harm, they'll be able to do it without Renforums don't you think?
liquidv2 wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 01:03 you're way too fair and level-headed EWD, get out of here! Hmm yeah, doesn't fit in with the Renedrama eh :/
EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 00:29 They didn't know that beforehand (because it did not exist) so you should've warned then and give them another chance. I'm sure that if these people really mean harm, they'll be able to do it without Renforums don't you think? Well, since I can't READ private messages, it kinda shoots that little theory out the window, doesn't it? And no, they can't do it without RenForums unless they happen to have another place in common to contact each other privately.
Crimson wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 10:57 EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 00:29 They didn't know that beforehand (because it did not exist) so you should've warned then and give them another chance. I'm sure that if these people really mean harm, they'll be able to do it without Renforums don't you think? Well, since I can't READ private messages, it kinda shoots that little theory out the window, doesn't it? Wait, so you randomly revoked ppls PM priv's w/o having any evidence to suggest that any1 had been leaking information? Crimson wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 10:57 [And no, they can't do it without RenForums unless they happen to have another place in common to contact each other privately. lol
The rules are to remove the PM privileges of anyone who posts the information AFTER they have leaked information. (Once again, see the note about theory)
CarrierII wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 11:41 The rules are to remove the PM privileges of anyone who posts the information AFTER they have leaked information. (Once again, see the note about theory) And as we've seen, that rule hasn't been followed. This is pretty much just another example of how well the heads of this place, and n00bstories are at adhering to their own rules. Troubling.
CarrierII wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 11:41 The rules are to remove the PM privileges of anyone who posts the information AFTER they have leaked information. (Once again, see the note about theory) Well, as I've stated before, I've leaked nothing. And I notice Crimson has still failed to give any1 an explanation for why their PM priv's have been revoked. =/
Crimson wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 17:57 EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 00:29 They didn't know that beforehand (because it did not exist) so you should've warned then and give them another chance. I'm sure that if these people really mean harm, they'll be able to do it without Renforums don't you think? Well, since I can't READ private messages, it kinda shoots that little theory out the window, doesn't it? And no, they can't do it without RenForums unless they happen to have another place in common to contact each other privately. Come on, you know tht programs like MSN exist right? You also know that nowadays creating a temporary website is even easier than logging in to this forum right? Also, the rule wasn't there before they leaked private information (presuming that they did) so it is kinda unfair to first take their PM rights (outside of direct NS bussiness of course) and then implement a new rule. If you would've warned them, most of them would immediately stop posting it here. Surely they would probably find other places, but that is something you can't stop any way. Unless you planned on taking down communities which they could use to communicate?
Another thing, how did you even jumped to the conclusion that people were spreading around said private information with the private message function on this forum? You can't read them.. right?
Read the rule again: Quote: Private Messaging: Due to the inability to screen private messages, your ability to use them may be temporarily disabled if you are suspected to be involved or closely related to the violation of any of forum rules. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Without the ability to read them, (and the fact that I find that to be a breach of privacy that I do not wish to commit), the removal of private message PRIVILEGES may have to occur while a leak is still active.
Is the leak still active? I thought everyone had already seen it...
Crimson wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 20:53 Read the rule again: Quote: Private Messaging: Due to the inability to screen private messages, your ability to use them may be temporarily disabled if you are suspected to be involved or closely related to the violation of any of forum rules. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Without the ability to read them, (and the fact that I find that to be a breach of privacy that I do not wish to commit), the removal of private message PRIVILEGES may have to occur while a leak is still active. So when exactly is a leak inactive according to you? Why do you still think people are leaking said info? If it's leaked once people can still tell stuff to others, if you haven't noticed most people have given up on leaking the stuff.. so when do you even think about putting it back in place? If you haven't noticed, there are innocent people complaining in this thread.
Also, it's not as though there aren't other forms of communication. Again, I understand your concern Crimson, but sometimes security comes at the cost of freedom. It's almost never worth the tradeoff in the end.
Crimson wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 13:53 Read the rule again: Quote: Private Messaging: Due to the inability to screen private messages, your ability to use them may be temporarily disabled if you are suspected to be involved or closely related to the violation of any of forum rules. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Without the ability to read them, (and the fact that I find that to be a breach of privacy that I do not wish to commit), the removal of private message PRIVILEGES may have to occur while a leak is still active. I see you continue to evade responding to my simple question about why my PM was disabled, despite the fact that I have leaked NOTHING.
SoQRadio wrote on Wed, 23 September 2009 09:26 Crimson wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 13:53 Read the rule again: Quote: Private Messaging: Due to the inability to screen private messages, your ability to use them may be temporarily disabled if you are suspected to be involved or closely related to the violation of any of forum rules. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Without the ability to read them, (and the fact that I find that to be a breach of privacy that I do not wish to commit), the removal of private message PRIVILEGES may have to occur while a leak is still active. I see you continue to evade responding to my simple question about why my PM was disabled, despite the fact that I have leaked NOTHING. Im in the same boat, my p.m. function as been disabled for some time now, and i have never ever leaked any information about anything.
Crimson wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 01:37 That's bullshit. I've removed countless Reborn leaks, leaks of other mods, people's private information (such as phone numbers, real names), etc. over the years. It's only now that NS has become a victim that all of sudden I'm "biased". Hmm. I wasn't considering them. Tushe, I suppose. Edit: I do tend to agree with what Zimmer said (lol). I can personally see two roles here. One is a role of concern and security, the other is just the flaunting of show-offy power. If someone is to be involved in an info leak, the info would most effectively be spread through faster means, such as an IM.. not a PM on a forum, especially a forum were the admin is also an admin of what the leak pertains to. Wouldn't it be more effective to punish said people by revoking a more effective privilege? What exactly is revoking PMs going to do other than start a bunch of stupid debates that get a bunch of ignorant bystanders, like myself, involved? (I'm about to get flamed from the other side for saying that, but that's how I feel the punishment should be dealt.
Ok seriously, I don't care about the n00bstories issue; it happened, it's done. I would just like my PM privileges back. I did not leak anything or even PM anybody during the time all that shit took place. But now I can see multiple PMs waiting that I can't possibly read at this moment. Look, if you'd like, dump all the SQL entries associated to my PM inbox and then I'll supply the exact same amount of PMs to your email, or wherever. I'd just like use of it again. And just to say, Chew was never really involved with Exodus. SoQRadio plays there, but wasn't even playing Renegade when all this happened I believe...
If I understand correctly, as Crimson has no way of knowing who would leak this information, she choose to disable PM rights for anyone from close or from far involved in the issue. So that explains why some of you, who did nothing but become an active player / member of this new community, got their PM right disabled. That being said, it's honorable from Crimson to respect your privacy. Especially as it's extremely easy to modify this forum software to allow the admins to read PM's.
Crimson wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 20:53 Read the rule again: Quote: Private Messaging: Due to the inability to screen private messages, your ability to use them may be temporarily disabled if you are suspected to be involved or closely related to the violation of any of forum rules. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Without the ability to read them, (and the fact that I find that to be a breach of privacy that I do not wish to commit), the removal of private message PRIVILEGES may have to occur while a leak is still active. So if I understand it right you either block some peoples PM's at random? Or if I read the rules right, you should disable the PM system while a leak is active. Anyway, for what time is a leak active then? I mean, if exodus counts as an active leak then that's fine, but please elaborate.
R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 19:08 Crimson wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 01:37 That's bullshit. I've removed countless Reborn leaks, leaks of other mods, people's private information (such as phone numbers, real names), etc. over the years. It's only now that NS has become a victim that all of sudden I'm "biased". Hmm. I wasn't considering them. Tushe, I suppose. Edit: I do tend to agree with what Zimmer said (lol). I can personally see two roles here. One is a role of concern and security, the other is just the flaunting of show-offy power. If someone is to be involved in an info leak, the info would most effectively be spread through faster means, such as an IM.. not a PM on a forum, especially a forum were the admin is also an admin of what the leak pertains to. Wouldn't it be more effective to punish said people by revoking a more effective privilege? What exactly is revoking PMs going to do other than start a bunch of stupid debates that get a bunch of ignorant bystanders, like myself, involved? (I'm about to get flamed from the other side for saying that, but that's how I feel the punishment should be dealt. I wasn't trying to flaunt or show off. If I had wanted to do that, I would have made a public spectacle with the list of who I removed access for. THEY made it a spectacle. I was being subtle. EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 23 September 2009 00:56 Crimson wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 20:53 Read the rule again: Quote: Private Messaging: Due to the inability to screen private messages, your ability to use them may be temporarily disabled if you are suspected to be involved or closely related to the violation of any of forum rules. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Without the ability to read them, (and the fact that I find that to be a breach of privacy that I do not wish to commit), the removal of private message PRIVILEGES may have to occur while a leak is still active. So if I understand it right you either block some peoples PM's at random? Or if I read the rules right, you should disable the PM system while a leak is active. Anyway, for what time is a leak active then? I mean, if exodus counts as an active leak then that's fine, but please elaborate. Yeahhhh, why don't I just help the group who stole from me spread their ill-gotten gains? You could only imagine what else they have. They have already admitted to stealing my player IP database on their way out the door as well. Want me to let them spread that too?
Crimson, don't get me wrong please, I don't agree with any kind of stealing. I just want to know when and how you will apply the rules. I feel that you haven't really answered my question. Why do you think that taking PM rights will solve anything? Of course, if they would be spreading the information on this forum I have to agree with you, but personally I would either do it in public, so that everyone knows, or I would not take the risk and use IM/mail/IRC... So that brings me to the question why PMs? and that brings me to the question, for how long? I mean, I haven't heard much about Exodus/NS leaking/bitch fights besides you in some way trying to get revenge on Exodus. I haven't seen them leaking anything on this forum for a while. So when would you not consider the leak active any more? When none talks about Exodus anymore? That won't happen till the community dies and judging from their determination, that won't be any time soon. Another thing which seems to happen is that you're getting more and more people against you with your kind of dictator-leadership on Renf. At least, that's what I'm judging from the amount of servers that delinked from irc.ns.com. I think that it is very important for you and renf, Crimson, to not get too furious about this and that you try to separate your roles as NS admin and RenF admin. I know you're paying for both, but let it be clear that I wouldn't mind donating some for RenF if it where possible and if I would know for certain that it would be used for RenF and not NS. Also I would like to have the feeling that users could have some input on how it would be ru
Oh jesus, nevermind lol, here we go again... EDIT: Well I wasn't going to respond, but here goes... Crimson wrote on Wed, 23 September 2009 06:15 They have already admitted to stealing my player IP database on their way out the door as well. Want me to let them spread that too? Okay, you can shove that one up your ass. I was the one that did that, not Exodus, just me, and I refuse to let you cast the blame on anyone but me. I already apologized for it and did infact delete it as I said. I of course didn't expect you to accept my apology, nor believe that I did truly delete the database, because that'd be surrendering some of your ammunition. But I no longer have it, regardless of what you think. I'd be glad to show you our currently broken IPbot (written in mIRC using hash tables, which is definitely not the same as MySQL) if you really think Exodus has your IP database. I already acknowledged that dumping that database was wrong, regardless of my intentions, and sincerely apologized for it (I highly doubt you don't have that post saved in your little archive). It's fine if you didn't accept it, but you're not going to use that to drag Exodus' name through the mud any more than you have. I have no problem with you attempting to take shots at ME for that, but I won't let you do that to Exodus, because it had nothing to do with them.
Wow... We are what, three pages into this topic, Crimson, and you still fail to address the purpose of this thread. You have still not given a reason (much less a valid reason) why Chew and I (and Sterps, for that matter) have had our PM priv's revoked. Chew is not involved with the exodus community at all, he plays there once in awhile. I had not even returned to Renegade until after the Exodus split. Your entire reasoning that you have disabled ppl's PMs because they may be "leaking information" is total bullshit. Why? Because Chew and I have (As I have said twice before on this very thread) leaked NOTHING. Instead, the most logical thing to assume is that you are again abusing your admin powers on this forum, and revoking the PM privs of people you dislike. Instead of restarting the flamewar about how Exodus broke from n00bstories, because I think everyone has had their fill of it, why not stay on topic and give a valid explanation for why ppl have had the PM priv's revoked. Thanks.
We are suspected of conspiracy to commit said leakage, which is a terrible crime, and so our PM's being removed is to prevent us from communicating and further advancing in our crimes.
I think you both should be punished by death for such a heinous crime.
I was the one who took screenshots of those "supposedly" private forums. "Supposedly" because what we discussed there is the reason behind the exodus, nothing else. There may be sensitive data in a private thread that people wouldn't want to make public, and I can agree with it, but in that thread that didn't happened, it was "simply" an heated discussion where all mods and admins blamed 2 persons for their mistakes, and I've only seen 1 of those 2 persons complaining about leaking that (if luv2pb complained too then I might have missed it, and anyway it wouldn't change the point), and of course that person is the one that we blamed in those threads. I knew that all that happened after the exodus would have happened, that's why I took those screenshots, to counter whatever lie any of those 2 persons would have spread with absolutely clear facts. That happened in the past with other people already, so I took my precautions. Now I can understand that she doesn't like the idea of any of us spreading those information, but even removing PM privileges here wouldn't stop that. I never used PM to spread that stuff, nor is my intention to do so, but idk about egoflux (he's the one that made that page telling the story, with my screenshots in it), I'll let him speak if he wants to (he's very busy with life lately so I don't think he'll post here at all). It's not because I don't want to spread that information that I won't use PM, but because I would rather do it publicly than privately. Whoever asked me about that page, I gave them the link and let them spread it with their friends, but in our IRC/forums, not here nor in ns's forums. My point in all of this is that it's very easy to say that those information were private when only 1 or 2 persons out of all the involved ones wants that kept private. It's an easy way out to keep people away from reading that stuff. You might agree with her because you can only see the sentence "private information", but if you were us, you wouldn't see it that way. Do you really expect so many people leaving NS without saying a word about it? Letting her say "lol they are jelos my party so they left us" in her IRC to people who was wondering why we left that place and other assorted lies without doing anything? And what about all those mods that weren't there when we left, that came back to find NOTHING in NS's forums about our leaving (they moved all the threads in their private section that only her and luv can see), and she told them her invented story about the exodus (but calling us faildus obviously), so that now we have people who once we were close friends with, turned to people that thinks that we are the assholes. Fortunately most people aren't dumb, that's why many mods later decided to come listen to our side of the story, and eventually chose to stay with us. You can probably blame only me and egoflux (me for taking screenshots and him for compiling that nice page with the story) about all of this, but seriously...I don't even think we are to blame. This is a consequence. Just a consequence.
OK, blah blah blah... get the information offline, keep it in your private forums, and we won't have any problem. I fiercely protect the privacy of my staff. They post in our private forums assuming that whatever they say will remain within the intended audience and not strewn about the internet. I will do whatever is within my power to stop it, even if it's not possible. If that makes me a bad person, then so be it. But I'm sure the people who I'm protecting don't think so. That's the last I'm going to say on this matter, so you can keep talking amongst yourselves if you wish.
Crimson wrote on Wed, 23 September 2009 13:28 That's the last I'm going to say on this matter, so you can keep talking amongst yourselves if you wish. Ok, she made her decision; someone please for the love of god lock this before it ends up becoming yet another flamewar. This topic serves no further purpose.
Since I've never seen the leaked info nor do I know much about what was leaked, maybe this might help clarify something: Are all the people who have their PMs blocked a member of the n00bstories forum? If so, were those people, all of them, involved with posting in the thread in question? If they were, then Crimson's actions actually make a lot more sense now. Because since there was a leak of that thread, a leak to which she didn't know the source, it would make sense to block the PM permissions of everyone who took part in the thread until the leak issue passed. Also, if that is how it is, then I fail to understand the difficulty in explaining it to everyone so they understand. If that isn't how it is, then I'm still at a loss.
I take it R315r4z0r is one of the few that has not laid eyes upon the "truth" as we conspirators might call it.
R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 23 September 2009 20:42 Are all the people who have their PMs blocked a member of the n00bstories forum? If so, were those people, all of them, involved with posting in the thread in question? Not all of them, but the majority were. SoQRadio nor Chew weren't even playing Renegade until after all this occurred so I don't really know why they're blocked, but whatever.
Ethenal wrote on Wed, 23 September 2009 22:56 R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 23 September 2009 20:42 Are all the people who have their PMs blocked a member of the n00bstories forum? If so, were those people, all of them, involved with posting in the thread in question? Not all of them, but the majority were. SoQRadio nor Chew weren't even playing Renegade until after all this occurred so I don't really know why they're blocked, but whatever. Mine were prolly blocked because the word filter thread, IDK for sure though... I didn't realize they were gone untill a few weeks ago.
Crimson wrote on Wed, 23 September 2009 13:28 OK, blah blah blah... get the information offline, keep it in your private forums, and we won't have any problem. I fiercely protect the privacy of my staff. They post in our private forums assuming that whatever they say will remain within the intended audience and not strewn about the internet. I will do whatever is within my power to stop it, even if it's not possible. If that makes me a bad person, then so be it. But I'm sure the people who I'm protecting don't think so. That's the last I'm going to say on this matter, so you can keep talking amongst yourselves if you wish. Cool story, but you still haven't addressed the purpose of this thread, which is why people who had nothing to do with the Exodus/N00bstories split have their PM priv's revoked.
SoQRadio wrote on Wed, 23 September 2009 23:25 Crimson wrote on Wed, 23 September 2009 13:28 OK, blah blah blah... get the information offline, keep it in your private forums, and we won't have any problem. I fiercely protect the privacy of my staff. They post in our private forums assuming that whatever they say will remain within the intended audience and not strewn about the internet. I will do whatever is within my power to stop it, even if it's not possible. If that makes me a bad person, then so be it. But I'm sure the people who I'm protecting don't think so. That's the last I'm going to say on this matter, so you can keep talking amongst yourselves if you wish. Cool story, but you still haven't addressed the purpose of this thread, which is why people who had nothing to do with the Exodus/N00bstories split have their PM priv's revoked. you wont get a clear and straight answer.
masterkna wrote on Thu, 24 September 2009 14:26 SoQRadio wrote on Wed, 23 September 2009 23:25 Crimson wrote on Wed, 23 September 2009 13:28 OK, blah blah blah... get the information offline, keep it in your private forums, and we won't have any problem. I fiercely protect the privacy of my staff. They post in our private forums assuming that whatever they say will remain within the intended audience and not strewn about the internet. I will do whatever is within my power to stop it, even if it's not possible. If that makes me a bad person, then so be it. But I'm sure the people who I'm protecting don't think so. That's the last I'm going to say on this matter, so you can keep talking amongst yourselves if you wish. Cool story, but you still haven't addressed the purpose of this thread, which is why people who had nothing to do with the Exodus/N00bstories split have their PM priv's revoked. you wont get an answer at all, because Crimson is not going to reply any further in this thread. Fixed, even though if she would be replying she probably still would have dodged the subject like she did in the last posts.
i have to laugh, i wasn't even affiliated with either side when it happened, i only joined exodus through a merger, and i still have pm privileges on the ns forums o.0 go figure
I don't have Private Messaging at n00bstories but I do here... I have no idea why I don't have them at n00bstories but what ever.
I actually still have my PM's at NS forums also, but they don't do a lot of good when I don't visit frequently anymore.
Well.. frankly, how many PMs would you expect on this forum if you had the privileges anyway? The only time I ever get PMed is if someone deletes one of my posts, someone randomly comes out of the blue to comment me, or if I am setting up private downloads for a map I'm working on.
R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 24 September 2009 17:29 Well.. frankly, how many PMs would you expect on this forum if you had the privileges anyway? The only time I ever get PMed is if someone deletes one of my posts, someone randomly comes out of the blue to comment me, or if I am setting up private downloads for a map I'm working on. Thats not the point, tbh.
I'm just trying to look at the bright side, since it's obvious the privileges wont be set back anytime soon..
R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 24 September 2009 17:43 I'm just trying to look at the bright side
R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 24 September 2009 17:29 Well.. frankly, how many PMs would you expect on this forum if you had the privileges anyway? The only time I ever get PMed is if someone deletes one of my posts, someone randomly comes out of the blue to comment me, or if I am setting up private downloads for a map I'm working on. Erm yeah you are infact correct, but that also depends on the people you talk to lol. I know there's some people that PM all the time. Personally, I don't use it much, but I can see several messages in the control panel waiting for my input clear as day. That's the only real reason it bothers me.