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Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: What is your opinion?
creator: zeratul
date: 2009-05-29T21:10:03-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Obama ftw, hasn't made me regret voting for him yet.
creator: luv2pb
date: 2009-05-29T21:11:21-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Obama's not a Muslim...
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2009-05-29T21:17:55-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: lol i know i was wondering what fools would vote for that
creator: zeratul
date: 2009-05-29T21:19:40-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: luv2pb wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 17:11 Obama ftw, hasn't made me regret voting for him yet. Are you living under a rock? He's pissed off just about everybody, both Dems and Reps. Unless you're a statist, I don't see how he's anything but a disappointment.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2009-05-29T22:27:33-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 17:27 luv2pb wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 17:11 Obama ftw, hasn't made me regret voting for him yet. Are you living under a rock? He's pissed off just about everybody, both Dems and Reps. Unless you're a statist, I don't see how he's anything but a disappointment. He's right
creator: zeratul
date: 2009-05-29T22:44:42-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Given the situation, and the obligations he has to meet, I'd say he's doing a decent job. I don't like much of what he's doing, but I'd like to see some of the armchair policy-wonks take a stab at his job and do any better.
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2009-05-29T22:47:35-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 17:47 Given the situation, and the obligations he has to meet, I'd say he's doing a decent job. I don't like much of what he's doing, but I'd like to see some of the armchair policy-wonks take a stab at his job and do any better. cough *big government* cough
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2009-05-30T00:03:34-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Starbuck wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 17:03 nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 17:47 Given the situation, and the obligations he has to meet, I'd say he's doing a decent job. I don't like much of what he's doing, but I'd like to see some of the armchair policy-wonks take a stab at his job and do any better. cough *big government* cough Bawwwwwwwwwwww Butthurt! cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 15:27 luv2pb wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 17:11 Obama ftw, hasn't made me regret voting for him yet. Are you living under a rock? He's pissed off just about everybody, both Dems and Reps. Unless you're a statist, I don't see how he's anything but a disappointment. Yeah, you're right. Just because the elected officials of the party I most closely associate with aren't happy, that means I can't be, either.
creator: Dover
date: 2009-05-30T01:39:44-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 17:17 Obama's not a Muslim...
creator: [NE]Fobby[GEN]
date: 2009-05-30T02:33:36-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Zeratul wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 16:19 lol i know i was wondering what fools would vote for that is there a point in rewriting it?
creator: zeratul
date: 2009-05-30T04:41:44-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Dover Yeah, you're right. Just because the elected officials of the party I most closely associate with aren't happy, that means I can't be, either. Nice straw man. That wasn't even my point.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2009-05-30T05:30:14-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 22:30 Dover Yeah, you're right. Just because the elected officials of the party I most closely associate with aren't happy, that means I can't be, either. Nice straw man. That wasn't even my point. What was your point, then? What other Democrats doesn't (Or, at least shouldn't) impact my views.
creator: Dover
date: 2009-05-30T06:12:52-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: [NE Fobby[GEN] wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 21:33] nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 17:17 Obama's not a Muslim... so useless topic
creator: Pyr0man1c
date: 2009-05-31T21:26:12-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: You have got to be asinine if you think most politicians really give two damns about the religion they claim to be a part of. Most are just showbiz; trying to give an illusion that they do indeed take their religion seriously while infact they are just age old power politics (trying to please and get recognition from a certain group).
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2009-06-02T21:55:19-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Obama FTL I wanted a vet. to step up to the plate, not someone who needs to look at everyone and say: "How the <insertcensorhere> does this work?" Anyone who says I'm racist should reconsider the fact of I look at character not skin and we could all be purple and I would not care.
creator: IAmFenix
date: 2009-06-04T00:30:28-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: IAmFenix wrote on Wed, 03 June 2009 19:30 Obama FTL I wanted a vet. to step up to the plate, not someone who needs to look at everyone and say: "How the <insertcensorhere> does this work?" Anyone who says I'm racist should reconsider the fact of I look at character not skin and we could all be purple and I would not care. These are the kinds of leaders america needs...
creator: zeratul
date: 2009-06-04T03:16:12-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Zeratul wrote on Wed, 03 June 2009 20:16 IAmFenix wrote on Wed, 03 June 2009 19:30 Obama FTL I wanted a vet. to step up to the plate, not someone who needs to look at everyone and say: "How the <insertcensorhere> does this work?" Anyone who says I'm racist should reconsider the fact of I look at character not skin and we could all be purple and I would not care. These are the kinds of leaders america needs... Great! This means both of you can start bitching the minute he seems lost and helpless. So far, he's been decisive, forward, and moving very quickly considering the right-wing bitchfest he's wading through. By the way, for a reference on what a lost and helpless president looks like, see footage of Bush being informed 9/11 is happening. Bush was a "vet", right? He was in the White House as a child when his dad was president.
creator: Dover
date: 2009-06-04T05:47:15-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: ITT: Same shit with Bush except now it's the Democrat's turn.
creator: GEORGE ZIMMER
date: 2009-06-04T11:35:10-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: At least he's not comunist
creator: ErroR
date: 2009-06-04T12:21:33-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 04:35 ITT: Same shit with Bush except now it's the Democrat's turn. Normally, I wouldn't mind, but Obama hasn't done anything yet. When Obama starts random preemptive wars, or chokes on a pretzel, or does something equally retarded, then you can go ahead and have your bitchfit, but until then it's nothing but pissing in the wind. ErroR wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 05:21 At least he's not comunist It's a shame, really.
creator: Dover
date: 2009-06-04T15:42:53-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: ErroR wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 13:21 At least he's not comunist You have a point... but still i don't like him
creator: zeratul
date: 2009-06-04T16:46:42-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Besides, it could've been worse. It could've been Ron Paul.
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2009-06-04T16:57:22-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: ErroR wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 07:21 At least he's not comunist Absolute monarchs can be beneficial, look at Cathrine the Great of Russia. Though, I would not trust him to leader.
creator: IAmFenix
date: 2009-06-04T20:04:47-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: IAmFenix wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 15:04 ErroR wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 07:21 At least he's not comunist Absolute monarchs can be beneficial, look at Cathrine the Great of Russia. Though, I would not trust him to leader. he also has a point
creator: zeratul
date: 2009-06-05T03:53:53-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: can i change my vote to yes? obama went to egypt he's definitely a muslim now.. edit - p.2 snipa
creator: Ryan3k
date: 2009-06-05T04:04:40-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: lol he went to egypt?! BURN THE MUSLIM BASTERD!
creator: zeratul
date: 2009-06-05T05:38:27-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Zeratul wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 22:38 lol he went to egypt?! BURN THE MUSLIM BASTERD! Toggle Spoiler Add a comment please, Dover. -CarrierII
creator: Dover
date: 2009-06-05T07:14:38-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: I'm going to hope that was sarcasm... Else he's in trouble. At any rate, posting those sort of pictures is not welcome in this subforum Dover.
creator: CarrierII
date: 2009-06-05T07:49:20-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: I did have a comment originally, Carrier. In fact, the original post didn't have a picture, and consisted entirely of the word "faggot", but I felt that was too dangerously close to flaming. I realize this subforum is meant for debate and other srs bizns, but when the original topic is based on such a stupid premise, and is filled with replies like Zeratul wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 22:38 lol he went to egypt?! BURN THE MUSLIM BASTERD! , there's only so far it can go.
creator: Dover
date: 2009-06-05T08:40:07-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: "Dangerously close"? lol Fair enough, I suggest we respond to the topic's lack of premise by not responding to the topic.
creator: CarrierII
date: 2009-06-05T09:00:06-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Dover wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 10:42 GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 04:35 ITT: Same shit with Bush except now it's the Democrat's turn. Normally, I wouldn't mind, but Obama hasn't done anything yet. When Obama starts random preemptive wars, or chokes on a pretzel, or does something equally retarded, then you can go ahead and have your bitchfit, but until then it's nothing but pissing in the wind. Yes he certainly never added a ridiculously large stimulus bill, gave it to companies who do NOT deserve it, closed down a terrorist interrogation facility rather than fixing it up, fucks up a ton of small things when it comes to foreign relations, closes down fucking streets for fucking HOURS because he has to try and act like a "common man" by eating out at a restaurant, disregard the fact that he's closing off streets and the like. And the sheer fact that he's been in office as long as he has and hasn't done anything really beneficial, is another reason to dislike him.
creator: GEORGE ZIMMER
date: 2009-06-05T12:36:33-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: You seemed to be misinformed, Mr. ZIMMER, so I'll address these one by one. GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 05:36 Yes he certainly never added a ridiculously large stimulus bill, gave it to companies who do NOT deserve it, You misunderstand what the stimulus bill is. The stimulus bill is NOT the free-money bailout (Which, by the way, was a Bush initiative, not Obama's). The only way "undeserving companies" will get a hold of stimulus money is if they enter the employ of the federal or state governments (As in, a construction company receiving money for constructing a building or fixing a road, etc). This in itself isn't anything surprising--that's the way governments get things done. GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 05:36 closed down a terrorist interrogation facility rather than fixing it up, The problem with Guantanamo isn't it's physical condition, but rather the fact that it's in international waters where US laws and similar anti-torture institutions don't apply. The way to "fix it up" would be to invade Cuba and make it the 51st state. Closing it down is the right thing to do, especially since nobody can come up with a halfway-decent reason prisoners of war can't be interrogated some place where laws actually apply. GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 05:36 fucks up a ton of small things when it comes to foreign relations, The term "small things" and "fuck up" tend to be mutually exclusive. In any case, I'm not sure what you're refering to here. He seems to have done a fantasic job when it comes to foreign relations, and nobody besides butthurt conservifags have found anything bad to say about him (And they don't count, as they unfortunately aren't foreign entities) GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 05:36 closes down fucking streets for fucking HOURS because he has to try and act like a "common man" by eating out at a restaurant, disregard the fact that he's closing off streets and the like. I'm pretty sure he isn't ordering the st…
creator: Dover
date: 2009-06-05T13:20:53-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: IAmFenix wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 23:04 ErroR wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 07:21 At least he's not comunist Absolute monarchs can be beneficial, look at Cathrine the Great of Russia. Though, I would not trust him to leader. look at the damn comunists ruining our country.
creator: ErroR
date: 2009-06-05T16:29:59-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: ErroR wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 11:29 IAmFenix wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 23:04 ErroR wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 07:21 At least he's not comunist Absolute monarchs can be beneficial, look at Cathrine the Great of Russia. Though, I would not trust him to leader. look at the damn comunists ruining our country. im tired of saying who has a point... cause really eventually my fingers will get tired
creator: zeratul
date: 2009-06-05T18:06:49-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Zeratul wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 11:06 ErroR wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 11:29 IAmFenix wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 23:04 ErroR wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 07:21 At least he's not comunist Absolute monarchs can be beneficial, look at Cathrine the Great of Russia. Though, I would not trust him to leader. look at the damn comunists ruining our country. im tired of saying who has a point... cause really eventually my fingers will get tired How is that a point? It's not a point, is a statement full of logical fallacies. Specificially, Cherry Picking and the Spotlight Fallacy. "BAWWW LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR GROUP OF PEOPLE IN MY COUNTRY THAT I DISAGREE WITH THIS MEANS ALL PEOPLE IN THAT GROUP ARE BAD BAWWW". It's pathetic.
creator: Dover
date: 2009-06-05T22:48:56-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: There's communists in the American government? Who knew?...
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2009-06-05T23:34:42-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 18:34 There's communists in the American government? Who knew?... EVERYONE... or at least i did ud be surprised how hypocritical this country is.... unless u already know then well... u wouldnt be....
creator: zeratul
date: 2009-06-06T02:28:40-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Yo you're all a bunch of racists.
creator: Barack Obama
date: 2009-06-07T00:47:09-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Barack Obama wrote on Sat, 06 June 2009 19:47 Yo you're all a bunch of racists. Nigga, please...
creator: John McCain
date: 2009-06-07T01:00:00-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Barack Obama wrote on Sat, 06 June 2009 19:47 Yo you're all a bunch of racists. wtf John McCain wrote on Sat, 06 June 2009 20:00 Nigga, please... wtf neither of you get my pink posts.
creator: Muad Dib15
date: 2009-06-08T22:13:25-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Dover wrote on Sat, 06 June 2009 01:48 Zeratul wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 11:06 ErroR wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 11:29 IAmFenix wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 23:04 ErroR wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 07:21 At least he's not comunist Absolute monarchs can be beneficial, look at Cathrine the Great of Russia. Though, I would not trust him to leader. look at the damn comunists ruining our country. im tired of saying who has a point... cause really eventually my fingers will get tired How is that a point? It's not a point, is a statement full of logical fallacies. Specificially, Cherry Picking and the Spotlight Fallacy. "BAWWW LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR GROUP OF PEOPLE IN MY COUNTRY THAT I DISAGREE WITH THIS MEANS ALL PEOPLE IN THAT GROUP ARE BAD BAWWW". It's pathetic. it's actually like that, and more than half of country think so.. people are seriously retarded here. They were going to prottest against comunists and someone threw a rock. that's it a fukin riot started and lasted for 3 days http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lU4jri5ulc the comunists provoked them by throwing a rock. This is really stupid. They let the parliament burn on purpose so they can suck money out of people after that. People wanted to protest against the comunists faking the elections, hell yeah thousands of dead people voted for them
creator: ErroR
date: 2009-06-09T10:16:09-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: ErroR wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 03:16 Dover wrote on Sat, 06 June 2009 01:48 Zeratul wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 11:06 ErroR wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 11:29 IAmFenix wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 23:04 ErroR wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 07:21 At least he's not comunist Absolute monarchs can be beneficial, look at Cathrine the Great of Russia. Though, I would not trust him to leader. look at the damn comunists ruining our country. im tired of saying who has a point... cause really eventually my fingers will get tired How is that a point? It's not a point, is a statement full of logical fallacies. Specificially, Cherry Picking and the Spotlight Fallacy. "BAWWW LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR GROUP OF PEOPLE IN MY COUNTRY THAT I DISAGREE WITH THIS MEANS ALL PEOPLE IN THAT GROUP ARE BAD BAWWW". It's pathetic. it's actually like that, and more than half of country think so.. people are seriously retarded here. They were going to prottest against comunists and someone threw a rock. that's it a fukin riot started and lasted for 3 days http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lU4jri5ulc the comunists provoked them by throwing a rock. This is really stupid. They let the parliament burn on purpose so they can suck money out of people after that. People wanted to protest against the comunists faking the elections, hell yeah thousands of dead people voted for them ...Which of course, means communists everywhere (Including myself) are evil, evil people, right? Before you answer "yes", the answer is "no, not at all, and fuck you. >:["
creator: Dover
date: 2009-06-09T13:47:42-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Dover wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 08:20 You misunderstand what the stimulus bill is. The stimulus bill is NOT the free-money bailout (Which, by the way, was a Bush initiative, not Obama's). The only way "undeserving companies" will get a hold of stimulus money is if they enter the employ of the federal or state governments (As in, a construction company receiving money for constructing a building or fixing a road, etc). This in itself isn't anything surprising--that's the way governments get things done. For one, if it's a Bush initiative, why the fuck is Obama continuing it? I thought Bush's economic plan was failing according to him. For two, yeah, it pretty much IS free money. The only downside is government regulation, which is causing companies to outright go under because they can't really meet the requirements (GM, etc). Three, yes, AIG is a surely deserving company, right? Not to mention they hold control of the ports that Dubai should've owned, but don't thanks to stupid pricks in congress. Dover wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 08:20 The problem with Guantanamo isn't it's physical condition, but rather the fact that it's in international waters where US laws and similar anti-torture institutions don't apply. The way to "fix it up" would be to invade Cuba and make it the 51st state. Closing it down is the right thing to do, especially since nobody can come up with a halfway-decent reason prisoners of war can't be interrogated some place where laws actually apply. Yeah I clearly meant its physical condition . Anyways, while I do understand your point, address this one: where are the terrorists that were held captive going to go? Either they go to another, much more secretive location (LOL BUSH R BAD HE KEEP THINGS SEEKRIT), or they're simply let free. Now, if they're putting it in US waters where our laws apply, and it's not a super secretive location (afterall, doing that is just a failed Bush administration method, amirite), then good. But I haven't quite heard n…
creator: GEORGE ZIMMER
date: 2009-06-09T16:21:44-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: they aren't actually comunists, they only clain they are, they use the same name is it was in USSR, but they are just a bunch of selfish thieves who outsmarted the most of the stupid population here
creator: ErroR
date: 2009-06-09T17:34:19-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 09:21 For one, if it's a Bush initiative, why the fuck is Obama continuing it? I thought Bush's economic plan was failing according to him. Because as much as Obama and the rest of the country loves change, the US constitution is designed to resist change and make it very difficult. If the 700billion bank bailouts could've been reversed, I'm sure they would be. GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 09:21 For two, yeah, it pretty much IS free money. The only downside is government regulation, which is causing companies to outright go under because they can't really meet the requirements (GM, etc). Again, I should repeat myself. The stimulus package is for the most part NOT FREE MONEY. Just because you repeat it over and over doesn't make it any more true. Free money was the bank bailouts (Under Bush). Even the auto-industry bailouts weren't free money, but they were buying stock, which the government will sell once the company gets back on it's feet(Something Sweden has done successfully in the past). Oh, and of course. GM was doing SOOOOOO well before Obama came along. Clearly, his less-than-100-days of regulation completely destroyed America's largest corporation. GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 09:21 Three, yes, AIG is a surely deserving company, right? Not to mention they hold control of the ports that Dubai should've owned, but don't thanks to stupid pricks in congress. Keep pretending Obama's fault. If you repeat it enough times, it might come true. GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 09:21 Yeah I clearly meant its physical condition . What the hell does this mean, then? GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 05:36 closed down a terrorist interrogation facility rather than fixing it up, Fix it up as in give it a new paint-job? Fix it up as in put in new hardwood floor? Fix it up as in somehow bring Guantanamo Bay, Cuba under US National jurisdiction? What did you mean by "fixing it up"? GEORGE ZIMMER w…
creator: Dover
date: 2009-06-09T18:43:37-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: ErroR wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 10:34 they aren't actually comunists, they only clain they are, they use the same name is it was in USSR, but they are just a bunch of selfish thieves who outsmarted the most of the stupid population here I agree, but what does this have to do with Obama, or anything on-topic? Why bring it up at all, unless you want to soil someone else's name, specifically Communists (Read: Me).
creator: Dover
date: 2009-06-09T18:44:46-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Dover wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 20:43 GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 09:21 For one, if it's a Bush initiative, why the fuck is Obama continuing it? I thought Bush's economic plan was failing according to him. Because as much as Obama and the rest of the country loves change, the US constitution is designed to resist change and make it very difficult. If the 700billion bank bailouts could've been reversed, I'm sure they would be. GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 09:21 For two, yeah, it pretty much IS free money. The only downside is government regulation, which is causing companies to outright go under because they can't really meet the requirements (GM, etc). Again, I should repeat myself. The stimulus package is for the most part NOT FREE MONEY. Just because you repeat it over and over doesn't make it any more true. Free money was the bank bailouts (Under Bush). Even the auto-industry bailouts weren't free money, but they were buying stock, which the government will sell once the company gets back on it's feet(Something Sweden has done successfully in the past). Oh, and of course. GM was doing SOOOOOO well before Obama came along. Clearly, his less-than-100-days of regulation completely destroyed America's largest corporation. GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 09:21 Three, yes, AIG is a surely deserving company, right? Not to mention they hold control of the ports that Dubai should've owned, but don't thanks to stupid pricks in congress. Keep pretending Obama's fault. If you repeat it enough times, it might come true. GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 09:21 Yeah I clearly meant its physical condition . What the hell does this mean, then? GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 05:36 closed down a terrorist interrogation facility rather than fixing it up, Fix it up as in give it a new paint-job? Fix it up as in put in new hardwood floor? Fix it up as in somehow bring Guantanamo Bay, Cuba under US National jurisdiction? What did you …
creator: Prulez
date: 2009-06-09T20:28:43-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Prulez wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 13:28 ....Spoony? (Sorry for off-topicness, just had to say that) I have a lot of respect for Spoony. Really, though, it's the only way to respond to people when they make wall-of-text posts.
creator: Dover
date: 2009-06-09T20:33:00-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: I have to agree with that, even though replying to a wall of text, with a wall of text, usually results in an even large wall of text and that... well, do I have to go on?
creator: Prulez
date: 2009-06-09T20:36:25-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Prulez wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 13:36 I have to agree with that, even though replying to a wall of text, with a wall of text, usually results in an even large wall of text and that... well, do I have to go on? Of course. This is the nature of the Heated Debate forum.
creator: Dover
date: 2009-06-09T20:37:38-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Ryan3k wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 23:04 can i change my vote to yes? obama went to egypt he's definitely a muslim now.. edit - p.2 snipa I'm not sure if you are joking but... Not necessarily... Egypt is in my top five places I would like to go in my lifetime. Does that make me muslim too?
creator: slosha
date: 2009-06-09T22:48:18-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Dover wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 13:43 GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 09:21 You might not think much of it, but to me, this is fucking bullshit. One man should NOT be able to close down streets and fuck up or "save" a business as he does just because he decides to do so. It's supposed to be a free market, not a market controlled by the government and whatever he wants to go to. He's a fucking President, he needs to start acting like it. We torture, you say "We have to do what we have to do". We start a pre-emptive war against a country that hasn't shown any agression toward us, you say "They deserved it". A street near you gets shut down, you say "THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT". thanks for this.
creator: Ryan3k
date: 2009-06-10T02:31:50-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: well this is the longest any of my posts have lasted...
creator: zeratul
date: 2009-06-10T04:28:30-00:00

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description: Im surprised Obama hasn't been shot yet. He is putting the united sates in a bigger hole spending some much money. giving money to people that don't deserve it. He shouldn't be helping any businesses. Obama has a little to none work experience and has no military experience. How do except someone to run a country with no knowledge of the country ......
creator: Gen_Blacky
date: 2009-06-10T19:43:17-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Im surprised George Bush hadn't been shot. He was putting the United States in a bigger hole spending so much money, as well as giving money to people that don't deserve it. He shouldn't have been bailing out any businesses. George Bush had little to no federal political experience and had no real military experience, either. How did people expect someone to run a country with no knowledge of the country ......
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2009-06-10T19:54:25-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Gen_Blacky wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 12:43 no military experience. I love how people keep bringing up military experience like it matters. The two widely-accepted best presidents America has ever had (F.D.R. and Lincoln) both had little to no military experience. F.D.R. had none and Lincoln had six months in a militia that never saw any combat.
creator: Dover
date: 2009-06-10T20:51:47-00:00

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description: Dover wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 16:51 Gen_Blacky wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 12:43 no military experience. I love how people keep bringing up military experience like it matters. The two widely-accepted best presidents America has ever had (F.D.R. and Lincoln) both had little to no military experience. F.D.R. had none and Lincoln had six months in a militia that never saw any combat. It's more or less because Military Presidents tend to have a deeper understanding of the armed forces and use them more wisely. Perhaps not always, but it is often the case. People were worried about Obama because we're kind of in the middle of two wars, regardless. Most of the Soldiers I've spoken with recently think he's doing alright. Some think pulling out of Iraq so quickly is a mistake, but I completely understand why most of the United States wants it.
creator: u6795
date: 2009-06-10T20:55:58-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: u6795 wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 13:55 Dover wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 16:51 Gen_Blacky wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 12:43 no military experience. I love how people keep bringing up military experience like it matters. The two widely-accepted best presidents America has ever had (F.D.R. and Lincoln) both had little to no military experience. F.D.R. had none and Lincoln had six months in a militia that never saw any combat. It's more or less because Military Presidents tend to have a deeper understanding of the armed forces and use them more wisely. Perhaps not always, but it is often the case. People were worried about Obama because we're kind of in the middle of two wars, regardless. F.D.R. and Lincoln. World War II and the civil war. Look at two presidents that are known for their military experience: Eisenhower and Kennedy. Vietnam was an abject failure and so was the Bay of Pigs invasion. Give me one example of a "military" president using armed forces wisely. Major (and preferably recent) examples, not Washington putting down some farmers rebellion or something.
creator: Dover
date: 2009-06-10T21:01:46-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Dover wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 17:01 u6795 wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 13:55 Dover wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 16:51 Gen_Blacky wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 12:43 no military experience. I love how people keep bringing up military experience like it matters. The two widely-accepted best presidents America has ever had (F.D.R. and Lincoln) both had little to no military experience. F.D.R. had none and Lincoln had six months in a militia that never saw any combat. It's more or less because Military Presidents tend to have a deeper understanding of the armed forces and use them more wisely. Perhaps not always, but it is often the case. People were worried about Obama because we're kind of in the middle of two wars, regardless. F.D.R. and Lincoln. World War II and the civil war. Look at two presidents that are known for their military experience: Eisenhower and Kennedy. Vietnam was an abject failure and so was the Bay of Pigs invasion. Give me one example of a "military" president using armed forces wisely. Major (and preferably recent) examples, not Washington putting down some farmers rebellion or something. How about George Bush's management of the war in Afghanistan? Up until recently that had been going smoothly (I'm not insinuating it's at all tied to Obama) and the Taliban has been nearly crushed (however, once again, recently they have begun a resurgence). Al Qaida has effectively been driven out of Afghanistan, mostly as a result of expert commanders on the part of the United States, but without the freedom to operate and the support of Bush the military would not be as formidable as it is toda. Iraq, while short sighted in its planning, was executed masterfully and its people were freed from a pretty oppressive douchebag. George H.W. Bush sent the armed forces to Iraq the first time in 1991 along with the backing of a significant coalition and completely obliterated the Iraqi military in a matter of weeks. Dwight Eisenhower commanded the Allied Forces to total v…
creator: u6795
date: 2009-06-10T21:43:22-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: u6795 wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 16:43 How about George Bush's management of the war in Afghanistan? Up until recently that had been going smoothly (I'm not insinuating it's at all tied to Obama) and the Taliban has been nearly crushed (however, once again, recently they have begun a resurgence). Al Qaida has effectively been driven out of Afghanistan, mostly as a result of expert commanders on the part of the United States, but without the freedom to operate and the support of Bush the military would not be as formidable as it is toda. Iraq, while short sighted in its planning, was executed masterfully and its people were freed from a pretty oppressive douchebag. Actually, Afghanistan has devolved into a nightmare scenario. Had the United States not gone to war with Iraq, Afghanistan would be in a much better shape. However, much of the country is in fact governed by militia's, and warlords, many of whom are affiliated with the Taliban. The worst thing is that the poppy industry has created enormous illegal wealth for the Taliban, and al-qaeda sypmpathizers; meanwhile, the drugs produced by poppies will end up in the hands of Afghans, which can cause addiction and illness, as well as likely appearing on the streets of North America. It's not fair to fault America totally for Afghanistan; indeed, much of the blame needs to be shouldered by Europe, for withdrawing from the fight, leaving the bulk of the work to come from North America and England. Obama's decision to refocus on Afghanistan was one of his few policies that I actually liked.
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2009-06-10T22:21:58-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: nikki6ixx wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 18:21 u6795 wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 16:43 How about George Bush's management of the war in Afghanistan? Up until recently that had been going smoothly (I'm not insinuating it's at all tied to Obama) and the Taliban has been nearly crushed (however, once again, recently they have begun a resurgence). Al Qaida has effectively been driven out of Afghanistan, mostly as a result of expert commanders on the part of the United States, but without the freedom to operate and the support of Bush the military would not be as formidable as it is toda. Iraq, while short sighted in its planning, was executed masterfully and its people were freed from a pretty oppressive douchebag. Actually, Afghanistan has devolved into a nightmare scenario. Had the United States not gone to war with Iraq, Afghanistan would be in a much better shape. However, much of the country is in fact governed by militia's, and warlords, many of whom are affiliated with the Taliban. The worst thing is that the poppy industry has created enormous illegal wealth for the Taliban, and al-qaeda sypmpathizers; meanwhile, the drugs produced by poppies will end up in the hands of Afghans, which can cause addiction and illness, as well as likely appearing on the streets of North America. It's not fair to fault America totally for Afghanistan; indeed, much of the blame needs to be shouldered by Europe, for withdrawing from the fight, leaving the bulk of the work to come from North America and England. Obama's decision to refocus on Afghanistan was one of his few policies that I actually liked. I agree. The Taliban are back now, and there's no disputing that. I completely agree about Obama, though, I'm very glad he's making steps to shift the war on terrorback to where it belongs. Unfortunately for the Iraqi's we might be gone before true stability can be achieved. Iraq was indeed a mistake, and the assets we've used and wasted there should be in Afghanistan. However there's no q…
creator: u6795
date: 2009-06-10T22:29:15-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: u6795 wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 14:43 How about George Bush's management of the war in Afghanistan? Up until recently that had been going smoothly (I'm not insinuating it's at all tied to Obama) and the Taliban has been nearly crushed (however, once again, recently they have begun a resurgence). Al Qaida has effectively been driven out of Afghanistan, mostly as a result of expert commanders on the part of the United States, but without the freedom to operate and the support of Bush the military would not be as formidable as it is toda. Iraq, while short sighted in its planning, was executed masterfully and its people were freed from a pretty oppressive douchebag. I would hardly consider Bush a "miltiary president". A few months safegaurding the airspace of texas from...uhm...someone? That's military experience? Also, I wouldn't call the war in Afghanistan well-managed. Ever since Iraq started it's been out of the limelight. It's only recently that people are starting to pay attention that we realize how shitty things are going there. You use words like "nearly crushed" and "driven out (except for the resurgence lol)". That's just putting a positive spin on failure. Lastly, while some good may have come out of the invasion of Iraq (The overthrow of an oppressive douchebag), that in itself is not as was not enough reason to invade. North Korea has an oppressive douchebag leader, why don't we play world police and invade them, too? The nation was lied too. Anyone else remember those UN briefings where Colon Powell was giving detailed descriptions of biological weapons loaded on to trucks, complete with diagrams and CGI representaions? u6795 wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 14:43 George H.W. Bush sent the armed forces to Iraq the first time in 1991 along with the backing of a significant coalition and completely obliterated the Iraqi military in a matter of weeks. ...And yet we ended up invading the same country a decade later. Not what I would call wise use of military forc…
creator: Dover
date: 2009-06-11T00:22:59-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Dover wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 19:22 The nation was lied too. Anyone else remember those UN briefings where Colon Powell was giving detailed descriptions of biological weapons loaded on to trucks, complete with diagrams and CGI representaions? yep, and you weren't the only ones. Tony Blair told us Saddam could slam us with WMDs in a matter of forty minutes. It later turned out the CIA was privately saying "what the FUCK is he saying?"
creator: Spoony
date: 2009-06-11T01:30:20-00:00

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description: at least bush did what he said he was going to do.
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date: 2009-06-11T02:01:23-00:00

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description: lol, but not all of it.
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date: 2009-06-11T02:54:44-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Spoony wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 20:30 Dover wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 19:22 The nation was lied too. Anyone else remember those UN briefings where Colon Powell was giving detailed descriptions of biological weapons loaded on to trucks, complete with diagrams and CGI representaions? yep, and you weren't the only ones. Tony Blair told us Saddam could slam us with WMDs in a matter of forty minutes. It later turned out the CIA was privately saying "what the FUCK is he saying?" Not to mention Bush literally forcing the intelligence services to pull (from their ass) a link between bin Laden and Saddam.
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2009-06-11T02:55:13-00:00

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description: Whether you are republican, democratic or other. Whether you like Obama, Bush, or other. I think everyone can agree that any president who is big on government, is a bad president. I think that one of the biggest problems we have in America, is that the government officials have forgotten that they work for the people, not the other way around. This goes for cops and other small officials too. Also, Obama was a US Senator before he was elected, so he was already part of the problem we're in to begin with. Also, when you see a president who purchases a fancy new pen for each person just so they can sign a bill and look pretty, is a bad president who loves to spend money (your money by the way). When I see a president use a standard #2 pencil or a bic pen for the first time I might not complain so much. Controversy for the win.
creator: DeadX07
date: 2009-06-11T07:26:08-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: DeadX07 wrote on Thu, 11 June 2009 00:26 Whether you are republican, democratic or other. Whether you like Obama, Bush, or other. I think everyone can agree that any president who is big on government, is a bad president. I think that one of the biggest problems we have in America, is that the government officials have forgotten that they work for the people, not the other way around. This goes for cops and other small officials too. Also, Obama was a US Senator before he was elected, so he was already part of the problem we're in to begin with. Also, when you see a president who purchases a fancy new pen for each person just so they can sign a bill and look pretty, is a bad president who loves to spend money (your money by the way). When I see a president use a standard #2 pencil or a bic pen for the first time I might not complain so much. Controversy for the win. No. You're wrong, and I disagree. Small government is weak, ineffective government. When government leaves a power vacuum, it's filled by people with deep pockets that aren't accountable to the people. No government-run healthcare? Let's have private insurance companies who can fuck you in the ass, laugh about it later, and there's nothing you can do about it, since they're in no way accountable to you. The biggest problem we have in America isn't government officials, and anyone who thinks so is just sucking Reagen's deceased cock (Every time someone says "government is the problem not the solution" or some variation, baby jesus sheds a tear). This is the way government works: You pay taxes, you participate in elections, you do your civic duty (Jury duty, occasional military draft, whatever), and in return you have a society that runs smoothly. You have someone to put a fire out if your house goes up in flames, you have someone to enforce laws, you have someone to pave the roads you drive on, etc etc. Less government means less of all that. So, what is the biggest problem, then? The biggest problem in A…
creator: Dover
date: 2009-06-11T09:40:23-00:00

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description: Prulez wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 15:28 ....Spoony? (Sorry for off-topicness, just had to say that) this isn't jelly forums... these forums don't seem to've been corrupted by the idea that someone making several points in a clear, well-constructed post with the aid of the quote button is such a terrible thing to do that it's equivalent to cheating.
creator: Spoony
date: 2009-06-11T18:15:13-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: Spoony wrote on Thu, 11 June 2009 13:15 these forums don't seem to've been corrupted by the idea that someone making several points in a clear, well-constructed post with the aid of the quote button is such a terrible thing to do that it's equivalent to cheating. lol who said that?
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2009-06-11T18:57:56-00:00

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description: Dover wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 20:22 Also, I wouldn't call the war in Afghanistan well-managed. Ever since Iraq started it's been out of the limelight. It's only recently that people are starting to pay attention that we realize how shitty things are going there. You use words like "nearly crushed" and "driven out (except for the resurgence lol)". That's just putting a positive spin on failure. Since when does the Media pay attention to something when things are going well? As I said, only recently has it all come crumbling down, for many years the Taliban WAS destroyed and fractured, and as Nikki said, simply a bunch of tribal warlords getting rich off Opium and claiming affiliation to the Taliban. Dover wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 20:22 Lastly, while some good may have come out of the invasion of Iraq (The overthrow of an oppressive douchebag), that in itself is not as was not enough reason to invade. North Korea has an oppressive douchebag leader, why don't we play world police and invade them, too? The nation was lied too. Anyone else remember those UN briefings where Colon Powell was giving detailed descriptions of biological weapons loaded on to trucks, complete with diagrams and CGI representaions? I agree. Our reasons for invading Iraq were misguided and we probably shouldn't be there at all. I'm simply pointing out that we have done good in our time there. Dover wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 20:22 ...And yet we ended up invading the same country a decade later. Not what I would call wise use of military forces, if they apparently accomplished nothing. We destroyed pretty much all of their military infrastructure and crippled their fighting force. A decade, however, is a long time. Even so, we still didn't see any tanks or major organized resistance when we went into Iraq again, did we? Dover wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 20:22 His honorable actions as General and commander of Allied forces in Europe aside, he was a fairly mediocre president. The Korean war was a…
creator: u6795
date: 2009-06-11T23:40:50-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: u6795 wrote on Thu, 11 June 2009 16:40 Since when does the Media pay attention to something when things are going well? As I said, only recently has it all come crumbling down, for many years the Taliban WAS destroyed and fractured, and as Nikki said, simply a bunch of tribal warlords getting rich off Opium and claiming affiliation to the Taliban. Yet five years later, the job still isn't done. Wise and understanding application of military forces? It doesn't seem so. u6795 wrote on Thu, 11 June 2009 16:40 I agree. Our reasons for invading Iraq were misguided and we probably shouldn't be there at all. I'm simply pointing out that we have done good in our time there. It's almost an inevitablilty that some conceivable good would come of any action. We can thank World War II for a leap ahead in military technology that has seen application in the civilian sector and improved all our lives. Does that mean Hitler was a cool guy for starting it all? Of course not. Let's not muddy the waters by equating some good with our original criteria -- Wise and understanding application of military forces. Iraq does not meet these criteria. Like you said, we shouldn't have been there. u6795 wrote on Thu, 11 June 2009 16:40 We destroyed pretty much all of their military infrastructure and crippled their fighting force. A decade, however, is a long time. Even so, we still didn't see any tanks or major organized resistance when we went into Iraq again, did we? In terms of politics and history, a decade isn't that long at all. It has been only a little over a decade and Eastern Europe is still associated with communism, despite most former soviet satellite nations being part of the EU. We didn't see any major organized resistance in Iraq because the second time around we didn't bother to declare war, and instead put a cruise into anything of value before the invasion began, before anyone had any idea what was happening, a luxury not afforded the first time around. Was it effective? Sure…
creator: Dover
date: 2009-06-12T00:18:23-00:00

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description: Dover wrote on Thu, 11 June 2009 20:18 Yet five years later, the job still isn't done. Wise and understanding application of military forces? It doesn't seem so. His management of the war could be absolutely perfect and that still would not guarantee a quick victory. There are thousands of factors that play into a war, namely, the fact that it is a war. I'm not trying to shift the blame, however saying the President is ineffective because a war continues is like blaming the mail man for a late delivery. Dover wrote on Thu, 11 June 2009 20:18 Put his work in civil rights and highway projects aside. That has nothing to do with applying military forces. Blame to UN all you want for Korea, but it was a direct result of America's shitty "containment" policy, and while the troops in Korea were the UN's by name, they were comprised largely of Americans. The two are inseparable. You asked earlier for an example where a good military leader becomes a great president. In the case of Korea, Eisenhower/Truman were fulfilling our debts to the international community. Whatever your opinion on containment, it's hard to argue the fact that South Korea is a great ally to the United States today as a result. Dover wrote on Thu, 11 June 2009 20:18 This is just a variation on the Eisenhower example from above. Just because it's a different political organ that the orders are being issued from doesn't change their ultimate source. I can't accept the justification of The Bay of Pigs just because they weren't REAL Americans fighting, "just" Cubans. I'm not implying that their sacrifice was less important because they were Cubans, but that it is important that they WEREN'T Americans, because the best use of the military, as I've said before, is none at all. Kennedy was seeking through this missions authorization to end a problem without the use of American troops. The Cuban exiles who enlisted for the mission wanted the end goal just as much as the Americans. Dover wrote on Thu, 11 June 20…
creator: u6795
date: 2009-06-12T01:35:27-00:00

Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad?
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description: u6795 wrote on Thu, 11 June 2009 18:35 His management of the war could be absolutely perfect and that still would not guarantee a quick victory. There are thousands of factors that play into a war, namely, the fact that it is a war. I'm not trying to shift the blame, however saying the President is ineffective because a war continues is like blaming the mail man for a late delivery. It's good that you used the term "could be", because it wasn't. Not only was the war mismanaged, but Bush intentionally diverted. Opening up a second front in a war against a different enemy (Or in this case, an entirely different war) can only divide forces and be to the detriment of both efforts. And, like we've both already agreed upon, we had no use in going to Iraq. u6795 wrote on Thu, 11 June 2009 18:35 You asked earlier for an example where a good military leader becomes a great president. In the case of Korea, Eisenhower/Truman were fulfilling our debts to the international community. Whatever your opinion on containment, it's hard to argue the fact that South Korea is a great ally to the United States today as a result. ...And North Korea is just that much more alienated, as well as China and the USSR for the longest time, and it just escalated the Cold War that much more. We get back to this "Some good" argument, and I just won't accept that. "Some good" isn't enough good, or good enough. u6795 wrote on Thu, 11 June 2009 18:35 I'm not implying that their sacrifice was less important because they were Cubans, but that it is important that they WEREN'T Americans, because the best use of the military, as I've said before, is none at all. Kennedy was seeking through this missions authorization to end a problem without the use of American troops. The Cuban exiles who enlisted for the mission wanted the end goal just as much as the Americans. I agree with you that the best use of the military is none at all, but this isn't the use of none at all. This is the use of someone else doing…
creator: Dover
date: 2009-06-12T02:13:25-00:00