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Once, a German exchange student came into our class and told us about his home life. Nobody asked about what their views were on WW2 and Hitler, it probably wasn't a very good time to ask either. So, what do Germans, in general, think of Hitler and his shanagens? Do Germans deny it or get very offended when the topic is brought up? I'm not meaning to be an ass hole or bring up things that don't need to be talked about, although that is kind of what I'm doing. I'm just trying to see it from another point of view. Thank you.
I used to think all germans were ass holes simply because of WW2(and WW1). Once you learn the history behind everything there's really no reason to hate them. They were mislead by one insane individual. In the early 1900's Germany had a failing economy. Citizens were struggling to survive. Hitler took advantage of this and used the Jewish race as a scapegoat. When you have nothing left why not believe him? As for the concentration camps and the miserable treatment of their prisoners well whats new? Not mistreatment of prisoners thats for sure. A few people did rebel against orders. It didn't get very far.
Genetix is right, after the mass inflation due to the aftermath of ww1 where the allies seriously screwed germany over at the treaty of versialles, Germans could easily be led astray by anyone who was trying to restore the nation to its former glory. It can easily be argued that if the treaty of versaille was fairer then ww2 wouldn't have happened... but this is deviating from the original question. Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children...
Nune wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 22:57 Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children... As someone who has actually travelled near those cities on exchange programs I have to say there is another story there as well. It was a rather harsh and cruel reaction by the USA but Japan was being poorly lead by the Emperor. The Japanese people thought he was actually godlike and not human before the atomic bombs were dropped. The Emperor came out publicaly and apologized for his poor decision becoming an ally with Hitler. There was shock throughout the population and even today many people think the Japanese Emperor is still a god!
You should not bring up the 2 bombs on japan in here. better discuss that in a different topic as the 2 things are not comparable at all (apart from the lifes taken). Its hard to give you a general statement on how germans think about WWII and the NAZI regime/ideology. Further every generation has a slightly different POV on it dependent how it was tought in school and socially discussed. However, generally you can say that germans are not offended by the topic nor do we deny it in any way. As the generation who actually lived during that time literally (almost)doesn't exist any more, it changed from "feeling guilty" to "be responsible" doing whatever is possible not to make things like that happen again.
Sir Kane wrote on Mon, 27 April 2009 08:48 Who the fuck cares about the history? i'm sure u dont.
Sir Kane wrote on Mon, 27 April 2009 08:48 Who the fuck cares about the history? truth. also: Quote: So, what do Germans, in general, think of Hitler and his shanagens? Do Germans deny it hitler? 1933-1945? DOESNT RING A BELL.
if anyone comes across any neo-nazis who still admire hitler, this is my suggested argument you should use against them. simply refer them to something hitler himself said in early 1945. at this point the tide was well and truly turned against him (whereas early in WW2, germany's military successes were astonishing) - france taken back, italy as good as beaten, russia sweeping towards berlin from the other side. instead of just do the smart thing, cut their losses and surrender, hitler wanted germany to fight till the bitter end - so what he said was that if germany lost this war, then everything he'd previously said about the superiority of the aryan race must've been entirely wrong. a rare moment of wisdom from such a deranged lunatic, upon which he may now be taken up.
Nune wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 23:57 How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children... I think it was a terrible thing to do, but who knows how long the war would've dragged on, or how high it would've escalated. so say we all. wrote on Mon, 27 April 2009 09:15 hitler? 1933-1945? DOESNT RING A BELL. lol
Nune wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 23:57 Genetix is right, after the mass inflation due to the aftermath of ww1 where the allies seriously screwed germany over at the treaty of versialles, Germans could easily be led astray by anyone who was trying to restore the nation to its former glory. It can easily be argued that if the treaty of versaille was fairer then ww2 wouldn't have happened... but this is deviating from the original question. Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children... Hey douche, that saved more lives than it took. Firebombing Japan took more lives than both of the bombs. Also, just to get onto the shores of japan was estimated to take 1.5 million Allied lives. You tell me if that is worth taking 220,000 lives from some other country than your own. We weren't exactly feeling very cordial towards the Japanese at that point. After all they attacked us and then declared war. Whereas we told them what would happen for 2 weeks. They refused to surrender so we nuked them. 3 days is plenty of time to say we surrender, but they decided not to surrender. So we nuked them again. more info below, its not a source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
2GLOCK9S wrote on Mon, 27 April 2009 05:06 Once, a German exchange student came into our class and told us about his home life. Nobody asked about what their views were on WW2 and Hitler, it probably wasn't a very good time to ask either. So, what do Germans, in general, think of Hitler and his shanagens? Do Germans deny it or get very offended when the topic is brought up? I'm not meaning to be an ass hole or bring up things that don't need to be talked about, although that is kind of what I'm doing. I'm just trying to see it from another point of view. Thank you. Lol, to be german is not a bad ailment, but i know what you mean. I had the same problem with my grandpa when i was a child. My grandpa was born 1922 and was therefore a part of the WW2. He died years ago and i had never the chance to ask my questions. A part of my generation know a shit of the time. They know only the hitler salute, the swastika and maybe that the nazis killed "some" jews. Some of them are really aggressive, trying to be cool and joining little neon nazi groups, those groups are against everything what is not german, with dark peel, sometimes is a little accent enough. (But we have this problem global and not only in germany) My opinion is, the time was a disaster, WW1 and the agreement made a big part of the nation very poor. They waited for a man who change all that. Hitler was the man. He gave the nation jobs and alot proud, proud like never before. A big part was therefore 100% loyal, hitler gave them whatever they want. The grudge to jews started to be the pure hate. His epic power made him insane, an insane dictator with too much power was the result. I hope that can't happen again, not in germany and not somewhere else. It is very important to speak about this, today and in 100 years or it could happen again. I'm proud to be german, sure not because we had hitler or what germany did. Football, cars like Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz, sausages and good beer, that are the reasons. Sir Kane wrote on Mon, 27 April 2009 15:48 Who the fuck cares about the history? The history is a part of us all.
it seems like some of you are thinking I don't like Germans. If that's what some of you meant, I don't have anything against them.
Nune wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 23:57 Genetix is right, after the mass inflation due to the aftermath of ww1 where the allies seriously screwed germany over at the treaty of versialles, Germans could easily be led astray by anyone who was trying to restore the nation to its former glory. It can easily be argued that if the treaty of versaille was fairer then ww2 wouldn't have happened... but this is deviating from the original question. Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children... american nuke kill women chrildren more than 10000
genetix wrote on Mon, 27 April 2009 07:05 Nune wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 22:57 Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children... As someone who has actually travelled near those cities on exchange programs I have to say there is another story there as well. It was a rather harsh and cruel reaction by the USA but Japan was being poorly lead by the Emperor. The Japanese people thought he was actually godlike and not human before the atomic bombs were dropped. The Emperor came out publicaly and apologized for his poor decision becoming an ally with Hitler. There was shock throughout the population and even today many people think the Japanese Emperor is still a god! is not emperor fault japan and german have alliance because of council of japan
Please ban this idiot.
Muad Dib15 wrote on Thu, 30 April 2009 02:40 Please ban this idiot. oh really? and on why? cuz he expressed his "oppinion"?
hey campa and other germans, do you get taught in history at school about the nazi era and what happened etc. 3rd of my a-level was based around hitler and his rise to power in germany and there are quite a few other courses that cover why the germans did what they did, the opposition in germany etc. Dunno if americans have the same. But do you guys study how the Hitler was able to make so many people do such inhumane stuff?
DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Wed, 29 April 2009 14:47 genetix wrote on Mon, 27 April 2009 07:05 Nune wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 22:57 Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children... As someone who has actually travelled near those cities on exchange programs I have to say there is another story there as well. It was a rather harsh and cruel reaction by the USA but Japan was being poorly lead by the Emperor. The Japanese people thought he was actually godlike and not human before the atomic bombs were dropped. The Emperor came out publicaly and apologized for his poor decision becoming an ally with Hitler. There was shock throughout the population and even today many people think the Japanese Emperor is still a god! is not emperor fault japan and german have alliance because of council of japan The emperor controlled Japan and WAS considered a god. They didn't think he was human. His public apology to the Japanese people following the bombings expresses that he was involved. That was the story of the grandparents in Japan atleast when I was there talking to them on an exchange program.
allying with hitler is hardly the only appalling thing Japan did under a theocratic, fascist imperialism. Japan (and for that matter Germany) is a pretty good example of how "installing democracy" (after overthrowing fascist dictatorships) can work; look at the two countries now, compared to what they were 60-70 years ago. the reason japan was such an appalling country back then wasn't because it was japanese, but because it was so religious. claiming a human is a physical incarnation of a god! when has this ever not resulted in horrific misery?
genetix wrote on Thu, 30 April 2009 22:29 DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Wed, 29 April 2009 14:47 genetix wrote on Mon, 27 April 2009 07:05 Nune wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 22:57 Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children... As someone who has actually travelled near those cities on exchange programs I have to say there is another story there as well. It was a rather harsh and cruel reaction by the USA but Japan was being poorly lead by the Emperor. The Japanese people thought he was actually godlike and not human before the atomic bombs were dropped. The Emperor came out publicaly and apologized for his poor decision becoming an ally with Hitler. There was shock throughout the population and even today many people think the Japanese Emperor is still a god! is not emperor fault japan and german have alliance because of council of japan The emperor controlled Japan and WAS considered a god. They didn't think he was human. His public apology to the Japanese people following the bombings expresses that he was involved. That was the story of the grandparents in Japan atleast when I was there talking to them on an exchange program. only emperor can control all japan? another royal member and aristocratic is decoration? is not emperor fault is because council of japan
Some of the Japanese beliefs then were pretty crazy. if the emperor would've followed the code of bushido and never surrendered, tokyo would've been flattened too. now I know we were bluffing, but it wouldn't have been long before we got another nuke and we most likely would've been able to hold off the axis until then.
2GLOCK9S wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 21:36 Some of the Japanese beliefs then were pretty crazy. if the emperor would've followed the code of bushido and never surrendered, tokyo would've been flattened too. now I know we were bluffing, but it wouldn't have been long before we got another nuke and we most likely would've been able to hold off the axis until then. why you say japanese crazy?
DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 01:37 2GLOCK9S wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 21:36 Some of the Japanese beliefs then were pretty crazy. if the emperor would've followed the code of bushido and never surrendered, tokyo would've been flattened too. now I know we were bluffing, but it wouldn't have been long before we got another nuke and we most likely would've been able to hold off the axis until then. why you say japanese crazy? no i meant their code of bushido, never backing down, could've caused a lot of death. that's all i meant.
2GLOCK9S wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 01:50 DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 01:37 2GLOCK9S wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 21:36 Some of the Japanese beliefs then were pretty crazy. if the emperor would've followed the code of bushido and never surrendered, tokyo would've been flattened too. now I know we were bluffing, but it wouldn't have been long before we got another nuke and we most likely would've been able to hold off the axis until then. why you say japanese crazy? no i meant their code of bushido, never backing down, could've caused a lot of death. that's all i meant. it japan culture you can't judge them
DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 09:58 2GLOCK9S wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 01:50 DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 01:37 2GLOCK9S wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 21:36 Some of the Japanese beliefs then were pretty crazy. if the emperor would've followed the code of bushido and never surrendered, tokyo would've been flattened too. now I know we were bluffing, but it wouldn't have been long before we got another nuke and we most likely would've been able to hold off the axis until then. why you say japanese crazy? no i meant their code of bushido, never backing down, could've caused a lot of death. that's all i meant. it japan culture you can't judge them Except their culture at the time lead to millions of deaths that could have been easily averted.
DAUGHTER DIVER wrote why you say japanese crazy? DAUGHTER DIVER wrote it japan culture you can't judge them read this post of mine again, especially the bit i've highlighted. spoony wrote allying with hitler is hardly the only appalling thing Japan did under a theocratic, fascist imperialism. Japan (and for that matter Germany) is a pretty good example of how "installing democracy" (after overthrowing fascist dictatorships) can work; look at the two countries now, compared to what they were 60-70 years ago. the reason japan was such an appalling country back then wasn't because it was japanese, but because it was so religious. claiming a human is a physical incarnation of a god! when has this ever not resulted in horrific misery? it is not "japan" that we are criticising (any more than it is "germany" that is being criticised when people talk about Hitler and the Nazis). Quote: the reason japan was such an appalling country back then wasn't because it was japanese, but because it was so religious. ^^
Spoony wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 17:13 DAUGHTER DIVER wrote why you say japanese crazy? DAUGHTER DIVER wrote it japan culture you can't judge them read this post of mine again, especially the bit i've highlighted. spoony wrote allying with hitler is hardly the only appalling thing Japan did under a theocratic, fascist imperialism. Japan (and for that matter Germany) is a pretty good example of how "installing democracy" (after overthrowing fascist dictatorships) can work; look at the two countries now, compared to what they were 60-70 years ago. the reason japan was such an appalling country back then wasn't because it was japanese, but because it was so religious. claiming a human is a physical incarnation of a god! when has this ever not resulted in horrific misery? it is not "japan" that we are criticising (any more than it is "germany" that is being criticised when people talk about Hitler and the Nazis). Quote: the reason japan was such an appalling country back then wasn't because it was japanese, but because it was so religious. ^^ it because physical incarnation of a god make japan lost war and you slag off royal? if japan have president and lost war you will slag off democracy?
u6795 wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 09:40 DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 09:58 2GLOCK9S wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 01:50 DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 01:37 2GLOCK9S wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 21:36 Some of the Japanese beliefs then were pretty crazy. if the emperor would've followed the code of bushido and never surrendered, tokyo would've been flattened too. now I know we were bluffing, but it wouldn't have been long before we got another nuke and we most likely would've been able to hold off the axis until then. why you say japanese crazy? no i meant their code of bushido, never backing down, could've caused a lot of death. that's all i meant. it japan culture you can't judge them Except their culture at the time lead to millions of deaths that could have been easily averted. it not bushido that make japan don't want to surrender to america they want to fight because they hate america very much it very long story
u6795 wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 08:40 DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 09:58 2GLOCK9S wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 01:50 DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 01:37 2GLOCK9S wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 21:36 Some of the Japanese beliefs then were pretty crazy. if the emperor would've followed the code of bushido and never surrendered, tokyo would've been flattened too. now I know we were bluffing, but it wouldn't have been long before we got another nuke and we most likely would've been able to hold off the axis until then. why you say japanese crazy? no i meant their code of bushido, never backing down, could've caused a lot of death. that's all i meant. it japan culture you can't judge them Except their culture at the time lead to millions of deaths that could have been easily averted. You say that after the fact. The turning point in the war was the shock factor from the atomic bomb. There were rumours of it but it had never been used. Japan was in a VERY strong position in the war. Think about it. They're on an island on the other side of the pacific ocean. It was really hard for the US to attack them. It was nearly impossible to take over any land. If the bomb wasn't created than they would have had almost nothing to fear. Not to mention Germany was creating a bomb even larger then the atomic bomb. Japan's don't back done attitude put them in power. They made them an army to fear. DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 12:07 it not bushido that make japan don't want to surrender to america they want to fight because they hate america very much it very long story Thats a new one to me. Times must have changed a lot because that definately wasn't the attitude when I was there.
DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 13:05 it because physical incarnation of a god make japan lost war and you slag off royal? No, I'm not slagging them off because they lost the war. I'm not even claiming that the religion is why they lost the war. I am, however, claiming that the compulsory religion is why the country was such an appalling place at the time. DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 13:05 if japan have president and lost war you will slag off democracy? For starters, if they were democratic they probably wouldn't have taken Hitler's side in the first place. Secondly, allying with Hitler is far from the only thing they did. The fact it was a fascist dictatorship, there's a good start. Brainwashing and virtually enslaving the entire country (remember that when you talk about what "they" want... as if they had any choice). Plundering and enslaving huge areas of China, Indochina and the Pacific. And a policy towards civilians and prisoners of war that was thought by many to be worse than the Nazis. DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 13:05 it not bushido that make japan don't want to surrender to america they want to fight because they hate america very much it very long story The above reply covers this. If you have something to say against America (pre-1945, of course) that comes anywhere near as bad as the appalling things I said against Imperial Japan, I would be very interested to hear it, because my knowledge of history would be demonstrated rather lacking.
genetix wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 13:27 u6795 wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 08:40 DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 09:58 2GLOCK9S wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 01:50 DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 01:37 2GLOCK9S wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 21:36 Some of the Japanese beliefs then were pretty crazy. if the emperor would've followed the code of bushido and never surrendered, tokyo would've been flattened too. now I know we were bluffing, but it wouldn't have been long before we got another nuke and we most likely would've been able to hold off the axis until then. why you say japanese crazy? no i meant their code of bushido, never backing down, could've caused a lot of death. that's all i meant. it japan culture you can't judge them Except their culture at the time lead to millions of deaths that could have been easily averted. You say that after the fact. The turning point in the war was the shock factor from the atomic bomb. There were rumours of it but it had never been used. Japan was in a VERY strong position in the war. Think about it. They're on an island on the other side of the pacific ocean. It was really hard for the US to attack them. It was nearly impossible to take over any land. If the bomb wasn't created than they would have had almost nothing to fear. Not to mention Germany was creating a bomb even larger then the atomic bomb. Japan's don't back done attitude put them in power. They made them an army to fear. DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 12:07 it not bushido that make japan don't want to surrender to america they want to fight because they hate america very much it very long story Thats a new one to me. Times must have changed a lot because that definately wasn't the attitude when I was there. america never use nuke to japan? hard to attack? absurd if japan hard to attack for america why now japan have america base? you are canada or america citizen? if you are america and japan take care you because they lost to america if you talk about nuke like this to people lost his/her family you may get bullet
Spoony wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 13:36 DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 13:05 it because physical incarnation of a god make japan lost war and you slag off royal? No, I'm not slagging them off because they lost the war. I'm not even claiming that the religion is why they lost the war. I am, however, claiming that the compulsory religion is why the country was such an appalling place at the time. DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 13:05 if japan have president and lost war you will slag off democracy? For starters, if they were democratic they probably wouldn't have taken Hitler's side in the first place. Secondly, allying with Hitler is far from the only thing they did. The fact it was a fascist dictatorship, there's a good start. Brainwashing and virtually enslaving the entire country (remember that when you talk about what "they" want... as if they had any choice). Plundering and enslaving huge areas of China, Indochina and the Pacific. And a policy towards civilians and prisoners of war that was thought by many to be worse than the Nazis. DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 13:05 it not bushido that make japan don't want to surrender to america they want to fight because they hate america very much it very long story The above reply covers this. If you have something to say against America (pre-1945, of course) that comes anywhere near as bad as the appalling things I said against Imperial Japan, I would be very interested to hear it, because my knowledge of history would be demonstrated rather lacking. they belive about incarnation of a god it not religion it royal ceremony and japanese belive buddha is god and true god america despotic japan very long time they use army to obligate japan for money and treasure
DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 16:49 genetix wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 13:27 u6795 wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 08:40 Except their culture at the time lead to millions of deaths that could have been easily averted. You say that after the fact. The turning point in the war was the shock factor from the atomic bomb. There were rumours of it but it had never been used. Japan was in a VERY strong position in the war. Think about it. They're on an island on the other side of the pacific ocean. It was really hard for the US to attack them. It was nearly impossible to take over any land. If the bomb wasn't created than they would have had almost nothing to fear. Not to mention Germany was creating a bomb even larger then the atomic bomb. Japan's don't back done attitude put them in power. They made them an army to fear. DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 12:07 it not bushido that make japan don't want to surrender to america they want to fight because they hate america very much it very long story Thats a new one to me. Times must have changed a lot because that definately wasn't the attitude when I was there. america never use nuke to japan? hard to attack? absurd if japan hard to attack for america why now japan have america base? you are canada or america citizen? if you are america and japan take care you because they lost to america if you talk about nuke like this to people lost his/her family you may get bullet No it sounds like you misunderstood. Japan was not aware of the atomic bomb. That is the main reason why Japan surrendered. They made a very successful offensive and the US retaliated with two bombs stronger than anyone could have imagined. Japan was in a very good position before the bombs were dropped. At the time Germany was almost finished making an atomic bomb even larger than the one the US made. Japan was extremely difficult to land on. Its a very small country with a very high population. They actually made two movies based on the US offensive against the Japanese. A lot of US soldiers were killed just so the US could gain a foothold in Japan. I believe it was an agreement in the terms of surrender that the US would receiving land in Japan as well. Either that or its the land they did in fact take before the surrender. I'm a Canadian citizen. I traveled to Japan about four years ago on an exchange program. I was there when all the remembrance ceremonies were going on. I don't see how anything I said could be taken offensively? I think you mistranslated it.
genetix wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 21:45 DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 16:49 genetix wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 13:27 u6795 wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 08:40 Except their culture at the time lead to millions of deaths that could have been easily averted. You say that after the fact. The turning point in the war was the shock factor from the atomic bomb. There were rumours of it but it had never been used. Japan was in a VERY strong position in the war. Think about it. They're on an island on the other side of the pacific ocean. It was really hard for the US to attack them. It was nearly impossible to take over any land. If the bomb wasn't created than they would have had almost nothing to fear. Not to mention Germany was creating a bomb even larger then the atomic bomb. Japan's don't back done attitude put them in power. They made them an army to fear. DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 12:07 it not bushido that make japan don't want to surrender to america they want to fight because they hate america very much it very long story Thats a new one to me. Times must have changed a lot because that definately wasn't the attitude when I was there. america never use nuke to japan? hard to attack? absurd if japan hard to attack for america why now japan have america base? you are canada or america citizen? if you are america and japan take care you because they lost to america if you talk about nuke like this to people lost his/her family you may get bullet No it sounds like you misunderstood. Japan was not aware of the atomic bomb. That is the main reason why Japan surrendered. They made a very successful offensive and the US retaliated with two bombs stronger than anyone could have imagined. Japan was in a very good position before the bombs were dropped. At the time Germany was almost finished making an atomic bomb even larger than the one the US made. Japan was extremely difficult to land on. Its a very small country with a very high population. They actually made two movies based on the US offensive against the Japanese. A lot of US soldiers were killed just so the US could gain a foothold in Japan. I believe it was an agreement in the terms of surrender that the US would receiving land in Japan as well. Either that or its the land they did in fact take before the surrender. I'm a Canadian citizen. I traveled to Japan about four years ago on an exchange program. I was there when all the remembrance ceremonies were going on. I don't see how anything I said could be taken offensively? I think you mistranslated it. hard to attack? a lot of usa soldier dead? japan soldier use sword and rifle can shoot only 1 bullet and must reload after shoot and equip with sword gun usa soldier use submachine gun have 30 bullet in magazine usa use carpet bomb japan soldier don't have aa or flak cannon they use rifle shoot plane usa use tank japan don't have tank japan soldier with rifle fight with tank and get crush down usa soldier use battle ship shoot to city japan soldier don't have battle ship they swim to battle ship and try to climb but they get bullet usa soldier will dead a lot? japan soldier don't have provision they must capture rat,snake,spider,frog,bird or patient until dead usa soldier have provision abound they eat beef steak beef hamburger french fried soda chocolate everyday they have a lot of beef until can make bbq party on battle ship they have a lot of chocolate until can throw chocolate to floor for make japan children quarrel they lure japan children like dog by gum japan it very hard to attack? usa have base in japan after lose
ITT: Pissing on history, if history was upwind.
Hope the germans make fire under 2GLOCK9S ´s ass
madrackz wrote on Mon, 04 May 2009 11:22 Hope the germans make fire under 2GLOCK9S ´s ass Why? He's being very respectful and is simply expressing curiosity as to how Germans react to questions like this about a pretty shitty time period.
thx u6795 madrackz wrote on Mon, 04 May 2009 10:22 Hope the germans make fire under 2GLOCK9S ´s ass lol get out...
Reason ppl tend to dislike germans are kids like him.... Well, seems his ban got lifted... welcome back mad
No joke, hope they burn you and your house down Im not german, i just live here
madrackz wrote on Tue, 05 May 2009 08:10 No joke, hope they burn you and your house down Im not german, i just live here public invoking to personal injury In german law ...you know the country you live in... this is treated the same way as the actual crime. In other words if someone really burns down his house now, you can get the same punishment as the contravener. I'm quite sure this is against every's forums general terms and conditions. wouldnt be surprised to see you banned again right away...
madrackz wrote on Tue, 05 May 2009 09:10 No joke, hope they burn you and your house down Im not german, i just live here Then what the fuck is your problem, dude?
I think his problem is a profound retardation
DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 15:57 they belive about incarnation of a god it not religion it royal ceremony and japanese belive buddha is god and true god You say that's not a religion... it was one of the most religious regimes in recent times, right up there with Stalin's Russia. There was no escaping it and no questioning it. DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 15:57 america despotic japan very long time they use army to obligate japan for money and treasure Read my post again: spoony wrote If you have something to say against America (pre-1945, of course) that comes anywhere near as bad as the appalling things I said against Imperial Japan, I would be very interested to hear it It sounds like you're saying that this: Quote: they use army to obligate japan for money and treasure is worse than this: Quote: allying with Hitler is far from the only thing they did. The fact it was a fascist dictatorship, there's a good start. Brainwashing and virtually enslaving the entire country (remember that when you talk about what "they" want... as if they had any choice). Plundering and enslaving huge areas of China, Indochina and the Pacific. And a policy towards civilians and prisoners of war that was thought by many to be worse than the Nazis.
madrackz wrote on Tue, 05 May 2009 08:10 No joke, hope they burn you and your house down Im not german, i just live here madrackz.. get the fuck out.. you come here and just act like a little tough punk. you think people here are scared of you or intimidated? get over urself man.
haha and you stop try to be funny
Spoony wrote on Tue, 05 May 2009 20:15 DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 15:57 they belive about incarnation of a god it not religion it royal ceremony and japanese belive buddha is god and true god You say that's not a religion... it was one of the most religious regimes in recent times, right up there with Stalin's Russia. There was no escaping it and no questioning it. DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 15:57 america despotic japan very long time they use army to obligate japan for money and treasure Read my post again: spoony wrote If you have something to say against America (pre-1945, of course) that comes anywhere near as bad as the appalling things I said against Imperial Japan, I would be very interested to hear it It sounds like you're saying that this: Quote: they use army to obligate japan for money and treasure is worse than this: Quote: allying with Hitler is far from the only thing they did. The fact it was a fascist dictatorship, there's a good start. Brainwashing and virtually enslaving the entire country (remember that when you talk about what "they" want... as if they had any choice). Plundering and enslaving huge areas of China, Indochina and the Pacific. And a policy towards civilians and prisoners of war that was thought by many to be worse than the Nazis. Pre 50's (Might be as late as sometime in the 60's) America was still in favour of eugenics programmes... (I can get the proper source for this if you want)
Spoony wrote on Tue, 05 May 2009 21:15 DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 15:57 they belive about incarnation of a god it not religion it royal ceremony and japanese belive buddha is god and true god You say that's not a religion... it was one of the most religious regimes in recent times, right up there with Stalin's Russia. There was no escaping it and no questioning it. DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 15:57 america despotic japan very long time they use army to obligate japan for money and treasure Read my post again: spoony wrote If you have something to say against America (pre-1945, of course) that comes anywhere near as bad as the appalling things I said against Imperial Japan, I would be very interested to hear it It sounds like you're saying that this: Quote: they use army to obligate japan for money and treasure is worse than this: Quote: allying with Hitler is far from the only thing they did. The fact it was a fascist dictatorship, there's a good start. Brainwashing and virtually enslaving the entire country (remember that when you talk about what "they" want... as if they had any choice). Plundering and enslaving huge areas of China, Indochina and the Pacific. And a policy towards civilians and prisoners of war that was thought by many to be worse than the Nazis. 2.where 4.tell me 5.it true but it against usa despotic japan?
Quote: Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children... Our fire bombing killed just as many or more than the atomic bombs. As an American I am glad we nuked them...those actions saved my grandfather who was a POW in Japan at the time. The short abrupt end to the war didn't allow the Japs time to execute the prisoners which a conventional sea-borne invasion would have given.
There was another consideration, actually, besides the projected casualty counts- if the Allies had undertaken an amphibious invasion of the Japanese home islands, the Soviet Union would have become heavily involved. By the time August rolled around, Germany had already been occupied and sliced up- and the USSR claimed a pretty big chunk of territory (while West Germany eventually regained its independence, East Germany remained a de facto Soviet colony until the Berlin Wall came down... not to mention most of Eastern Europe). There's no question that Stalin would have done the same in Japan- so the war had to be brought to a close before the USSR could make any such claim. Look at former Warsaw Pact member states today, and compare them to NATO's sphere of influence. Stalin and his successors would have sucked dry any part of Japan they'd gotten their hands on- the country owes its present-day prosperity to having not been invaded. Additionally, may cities were spared which might not have otherwise been. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not unique- I don't know how many people are aware of this, but Nagasaki was actually one of the secondary targets for the August 9th mission ("Bock's Car," the B-29 assigned to the Fat Man mission, was diverted from Kokura as the weather over that city was overcast). The cities chosen for the target list were chosen because they were either of high strategic value or were poorly suited for other attacks (i.e. incendiary bombs, as were used against Tokyo). While additional atomic bombs were in the final stages of production, odds are they would not have been widely used in support of an invasion- incendiaries, however, might have been (and, as has already been mentioned, the casualties from the firebomb raids were much, much higher than those from even both of the atomic raids combined- even factoring in later casualties from radiation sickness). In short, the decision was not so simple as "we have an awesome new weapon, let's use it and shock the enemy into surrendering."
I think I have said something almost like that many times. NO one will listen. >:(
Dover wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 22:50 ITT: Pissing on history, if history was upwind.
GoArmy44 wrote on Thu, 07 May 2009 23:38 Quote: Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children... Our fire bombing killed just as many or more than the atomic bombs. As an American I am glad we nuked them...those actions saved my grandfather who was a POW in Japan at the time. The short abrupt end to the war didn't allow the Japs time to execute the prisoners which a conventional sea-borne invasion would have given. ask your grand father he rape japan woman? he kill japan children even girl right?
that's a really shitty thing to say, and rather ironic considering the horrific way prisoners of war were treated by Imperial Japan at the time - which by the way, was the rule rather than the exception (whereas the likes of Abu Ghraib in the American case are the exception)
Going to Germany and even mentioning hitler is like going to a Christian Church and preaching Islam. And I don't fucking get it. Russia seems to be ok with knowing stalin was a douchebag, why can't the majority of Germans do the same? As for the Japan thing, yeah- Japan was WORSE than Germany in their torture methods and such. Nuking them might seem bad, but letting them continue on as they were wouldn't have been much better.
GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 09:25 Going to Germany and even mentioning hitler is like going to a Christian Church and preaching Islam. And I don't fucking get it. Russia seems to be ok with knowing stalin was a douchebag, why can't the majority of Germans do the same? Meh, most Germans seem to come to terms with it 'n shit. It's just a sensitive issue no matter how you look at it.
GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 08:25 Going to Germany and even mentioning hitler is like going to a Christian Church and preaching Islam. And I don't fucking get it. Russia seems to be ok with knowing stalin was a douchebag, why can't the majority of Germans do the same? As for the Japan thing, yeah- Japan was WORSE than Germany in their torture methods and such. Nuking them might seem bad, but letting them continue on as they were wouldn't have been much better. japan worse than german? you know what usa soldier act to pow? usa soldier rape woman pow even man usa soldier torture pow usa soldier don't give pow food usa soldier don't give pow medicine usa soldier order pow work like slave and they never get food or medicine maybe slave better pow of usa soldier because master will give food slave because master buy slave and don't want slave perish quick usa soldier never let pow sleep comfortable usa soldier make case and punishment pow if pow steal food from usa soldier they will get bullet if pow get accident by work they never see medic if civilian try to help pow escape they will get bullet if civilian give food or medicine to pow and usa soldier can detect they will get bullet if pow work until black out usa soldier will use whip flick until may perish
GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 08:25 Going to Germany and even mentioning hitler is like going to a Christian Church and preaching Islam. And I don't fucking get it. Russia seems to be ok with knowing stalin was a douchebag, why can't the majority of Germans do the same? As for the Japan thing, yeah- Japan was WORSE than Germany in their torture methods and such. Nuking them might seem bad, but letting them continue on as they were wouldn't have been much better. I wouldnt know about that.
DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 10:27 GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 08:25 Going to Germany and even mentioning hitler is like going to a Christian Church and preaching Islam. And I don't fucking get it. Russia seems to be ok with knowing stalin was a douchebag, why can't the majority of Germans do the same? As for the Japan thing, yeah- Japan was WORSE than Germany in their torture methods and such. Nuking them might seem bad, but letting them continue on as they were wouldn't have been much better. japan worse than german? you know what usa act to pow? usa soldier rape woman pow even man usa soldier torture pow usa soldier don't give pow food usa soldier don't give pow medicine usa soldier order pow work like slave the way USA treats POW's has never been anywhere near as horrific as the way both Germany and Japan did 70-odd years ago. there is obviously very legitimate debate about the nuke attack, but anyone who defends the way Japan (or Germany under Hitler) was back then needs their head examined... either that or has probably just been brainwashed, like daughter diver
Spoony wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 09:44 DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 10:27 GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 08:25 Going to Germany and even mentioning hitler is like going to a Christian Church and preaching Islam. And I don't fucking get it. Russia seems to be ok with knowing stalin was a douchebag, why can't the majority of Germans do the same? As for the Japan thing, yeah- Japan was WORSE than Germany in their torture methods and such. Nuking them might seem bad, but letting them continue on as they were wouldn't have been much better. japan worse than german? you know what usa act to pow? usa soldier rape woman pow even man usa soldier torture pow usa soldier don't give pow food usa soldier don't give pow medicine usa soldier order pow work like slave the way USA treats POW's has never been anywhere near as horrific as the way both Germany and Japan did 70-odd years ago. there is obviously very legitimate debate about the nuke attack, but anyone who defends the way Japan (or Germany under Hitler) was back then needs their head examined... either that or has probably just been brainwashed, like daughter diver german and japan worse than usa? absurd jew is not pow you know? my brain never get brainwashed
DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 09:59 german and japan worse than usa? absurd Sometimes a rebuttal simply isn't necessary. DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 09:59 my brain never get brainwashed I'm sure you believe that. DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 09:59 jew is not pow you know? Of course, which is one of the many reasons why the Nazi's policy was so evil.
Spoony wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 11:04 DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 09:59 german and japan worse than usa? absurd Sometimes a rebuttal simply isn't necessary. SURLY GERMAN AND JAPAN WORSE AS USOA???!
Quote: ask your grand father he rape japan woman? he kill japan children even girl right? Actually my Grandfather was captured in the Philippines in '42 and went through the Bataan Death March while wounded and sick with Malaria. Then in '44 was transported to Japan in a "hellship" before the American invasion. The Japanese were pretty damn brutal, even more so than the Germans, who at least at times pretended to follow Geneva conventions for POWs. Stories are plentiful about how the Japanese treated their prisoners including the British who probably had it the worst since they were prisoners the longest and as I see it were used as forced labor more, especially in southeast Asia. I don't think they had the time or the liberty to "rape japan woman." And since you are arguing on an English language forum..learn some damn syntax man.
GoArmy44 wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 11:54 Quote: ask your grand father he rape japan woman? he kill japan children even girl right? Actually my Grandfather was captured in the Philippines in '42 and went through the Bataan Death March while wounded and sick with Malaria. Then in '44 was transported to Japan in a "hellship" before the American invasion. The Japanese were pretty damn brutal, even more so than the Germans, who at least at times pretended to follow Geneva conventions for POWs. Stories are plentiful about how the Japanese treated their prisoners including the British who probably had it the worst since they were prisoners the longest and as I see it were used as forced labor more, especially in southeast Asia. I don't think they had the time or the liberty to "rape japan woman." And since you are arguing on an English language forum..learn some damn syntax man. your grandfather don't have time but other have i don't have money for english lesson
Spoony wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 11:04 DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 09:59 german and japan worse than usa? absurd Sometimes a rebuttal simply isn't necessary. DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 09:59 my brain never get brainwashed I'm sure you believe that. DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 09:59 jew is not pow you know? Of course, which is one of the many reasons why the Nazi's policy was so evil. you want to make me get brainwashed right? we talk about pow right?
Sir Kane wrote on Mon, 27 April 2009 08:48 Who the fuck cares about the history? smart people.... because they hate to do errors twice. @topic In germany its fairly actuall and something pretty present in the media. But at least I slowly grow tired ofthis whole "remember the past" yes. We germans done horrible things to a good part of the world and we are not proud of it, but sometimesI ask myself when its time to cut with it and stop paying for our mistakes and work like a modern country. Today we build new monuments to the victims, our government want to make sure that every 10th grade pupil visits a concentration camp (actually highschool-only, all others can do it, but usually don't becauseof money/lack of discipline) If a government official says something negative about israel he's usually screwed. Oh and if Israel requests something its usually immediatly done. I would say pretty much every week there is something in the news... So a directly answer to your question: Most germans (say 95%) don't deny it, but we prefered to be seen as something else as the country-created-out-of-hitler-germany. Always remember, we are already the second generation after the war. Most of those 3rd Reich officials are either dead or in prison if possible, a few days ago the USA even help us get our hands on one of those jailors... And if he is declared sane+healthy enough he will get his punishment even 60 years after the incident.
w0dka wrote on Sun, 17 May 2009 10:38 We germans done horrible things to a good part of the world and we are not proud of it, but sometimesI ask myself when its time to cut with it and stop paying for our mistakes and work like a modern country. That's not how I look at it at all. Germany did nothing wrong. It's Hitler and his circle taking advantage of the situation and killing every opponent. I don't blame the Germans at all and have nothing against them.
If I were German, I'd probably get a bit bugged about how much it lingers. Yes it was terrible, but people ought to focus on all the good stuff German's have done, like inventing the automobile, as well as being an impressive industrial power both before the depression, and afterwards. Same thing goes for Japan.
People ought to focus on the 21st century...