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why was this moved? Do you somehow feel that this is going to be a heated discussion or debate?! It doesn't look like there is too much to debate here.
What's your point? There's little new info in this, at least to me. I'll give you the benefit of doubt and put it back in general discussion.
I don't disagree with anything luv2pb said.
I know right...as if you never donated any money Havocide. That kills me every time I read that.
I have no problem whatsoever with Havocide. I don't recall any specific donations from him. If I were at home I could search my emails because Paypal will only let me go back a year.
This is hopeless. If you can't see the actual problem that I presented here, thats really odd. I'm not sure how much plainer I could present it. You won't hear from me or be bothered by me anymore. I promise.
I would advise anyone with any kind of sanity NOT to waste their time reading that. It is over an hour worth a null trying to explain why he hates me without using any kind of fact or intelligent thought. Actually, when put like that I guess if you have some time to kill it may be worth the lulz. I didn't look at it so I don't know if he actually changed anything. Anyone who does read that can see from your very first message to me you were just trying to bait me. I stand by every word of what I said. My favorite part is when you tell me that all you want is to hate me. Oh yeah and your text message to crim was win too. Hate to break it to you null but you can only ever be my #2 fan. (this should be in the spam section btw)
Crimson wrote on Wed, 17 December 2008 04:51 I don't disagree with anything luv2pb said. Quote: # luv2pb says: # I give crimson oral sex at n00bparty Also, if you're such a GODDAMN AWESOME MOTHERFUCKER THAT EVERYONE SHOULD LOVE, don't play the anonymity card.
lol im not gonna read this shit, but luv2pb you weren't kidding when you told me last night that this guy is lols and will make your night interesting. haha
null.var wrote on Wed, 17 December 2008 05:05 You won't hear from me or be bothered by me anymore. I promise. good, the community's better off without you. as for the conversation, I don't really see what you're whining about... nothing you've said against n00bstories there comes within a thousand miles of being as bad as some of the stuff you've done.
Idk who that "Joey" guy is, but obviously he's a fucktard and doesn't understand some vital problems with renegade. Quote: # Joey - irc.supragame.com says: # Yeah, what good would that do? It wouldn't centralize the community, allow for new developments and features for the community to use. It wouldn't allow streamlined patching. It wouldn't attract new people to the Westwood games. Replacing WOL, ok that shouldn't be too hard, it is a basic IRC server with some extra stuff. Now the REAL problem, how to get it to the players? Also, you seem to think that n00bstories == Renegade, which is not true, and has never been true. Yes they are one of the larger servers with players and such, but still not THE ONE. Another point that this joey seems to forget is that n00bstories is a community, and that means running a server and such, not (directly) modding/fixing renegade. It is much better to have a separate team for that, as we had in the past with BHS and have now with TT. This because this allows more people to help than people that are just from n00bstories. This does include knowledgeable people like WhiteDragon, StealthEye, Sir_Kane and some more. While I know for certain some of them would not have helped if all the work that is being done right now would've placed under the n00bstories flag. Something else, to create a better patch system, you first need to get everyone to patch his game to use a different patcher. This is what we're trying to get EA to do, when we finish the first version of the TT patch. Then we will probably have a different, more accessible patcher. As second to last point: You say that n00bstories is suffering from less players and such. Have you noticed the overall decline in Renegade players? Obviously not, if you say that lv2pb is to blame. And as final point, I know luv2pb for a bit, and unlike many others here he seems to be a helpful and friendly guy, so I wouldn't like to see him leave.
I agree. Some people have trouble separating n00bstories from other things. Just because I might be a part of two things doesn't make them the same thing. Oh, and luv2pb did not give me oral sex at n00bparty. I did own myself there. LOL.
ITT: Moar BBAAAAWWWWWW. Perhaps we should keep a waaambulence right around the corner of any thread null posts in? Edit: Quote: luv2pb says: than what purpose are you disgruntled for? luv2pb says: if there is something you are after just say it Joey - irc.supragame.com says: are you kidding me Joey - irc.supragame.com says: theres nothing I can do So that entire bitchfest had no point at all, and you admit it. I'm so foolish for reading it all.
You can tell winter break has started when morons like this guy have the time to troll the place and have mega online-nerd-beef with people who don't give a shit. Five bucks says he's gone onto n00bstories' forums because he's realized no one gives a flying fuck here.
null.var wrote on Wed, 17 December 2008 03:38 I'm a fag TL;DR. Why don't you go post your problems with n00bstories on their forums?
Ugh wow I read like five lines of that shit and it bored the hell out of me. This is stupid. I have no idea who this guy is but by bringing drama with him the moment he returns, my instant impression is that he's a douche.
oh look, more appreciation for n00bstories, you guys are just amazing at what you do.
Crimson wrote on Wed, 17 December 2008 06:01 I have no problem whatsoever with Havocide. I don't recall any specific donations from him. If I were at home I could search my emails because Paypal will only let me go back a year. You have to set the window on paypal to go back to however far it is. There's an option to go back a year, but you can customize the filter to go back further. And I know I donated money, before I could drive I had to ride my bike to get stamps, an envelope, and go drop off the letter. Why did luv take away my premium account btw? Check August 27, 2006 on paypal. Also, if the donations page was available for me to view, you will see I have donations documented in there.
DrasticDR wrote on Wed, 17 December 2008 13:20 oh look, more appreciation for n00bstories, you guys are just amazing at what you do. Sarcasm aside, you're absolutely right. Look at the servers which everyone LOLLUVZ, UNRules, etc. They're all trash. You don't run a good server by making a ton of friends.
This isn't about which community is better or whatever. This is about some dicktree trying to stir up shit.
nikki6ixx wrote on Wed, 17 December 2008 20:41 This isn't about which community is better or whatever. This is about some dicktree trying to stir up shit.
While I appreciate the name-drop, God knows I need all the internet-cred I can get for my university cause these days, I'm not sure referencing stances, attitudes and moods of 6 or 7 years ago (God it's been that long - depressing) is a way to go. I freely acknowledge that a 13-year old me wasn't up to the task of taking NS then and making it into N$ now. And y'all should be greatful, at least in some part, to luv2gotothepub for the effort he's put in. But anyway. Next time, I'd like to fight my own corner, eh?
lol dicktree. I actually remember when Null was around. I remember him getting B& too, but maybe I'm mis-remembering. I distinctly remember him being a dicktree back then, too, before he had a year and a half to let it all his pent up ReneRage ferment.
Dover wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 02:08 lol dicktree. I actually remember when Null was around. I remember him getting B& too, but maybe I'm mis-remembering. I distinctly remember him being a dicktree back then, too, before he had a year and a half to let it all his pent up ReneRage ferment. Registered: March 2006
a lot of people (including me) wouldn't say I am "old school" as far as ren goes, but for some reason null named myself and crimson as the two people he "missed from the old days"... so how were the old days, hmmm? my knowledge of null/slavik/yoshimitsu can be summed up in three brief points. 1. used to be in WSE, the pricks who brought cheating to renegade in the first place. in null's own words: "the purpose of WSE was to fuck up the game as much as possible" 2. first point at which I heard of him personally: turned out he was seriously plotting to ddos attack the official renegade servers. 3. first point at which he involved himself with me: he went to EA and told them some bullshit lies about how I ddosed some renegade community sites, including this one right here... utterly made up of course, and pretty ironic considering the source. I busted him lying on all this, and his only response was the bizarre statement that he "was not going to be blackmailed"... (huh?) so... in his rant to luv2pb he whines on and on about people who don't know or care who he is... if I'm one of the people who does (according to him...) then that's gotta be a good thing, considering the entire extent of my knowledge of null is three things, all of them very, very bad. still, let's make the pretense of balance here. admittedly if there is anything good to be said about you, I am not aware of it... so the floor is yours, slavik453.
havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 00:54 Dover wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 02:08 lol dicktree. I actually remember when Null was around. I remember him getting B& too, but maybe I'm mis-remembering. I distinctly remember him being a dicktree back then, too, before he had a year and a half to let it all his pent up ReneRage ferment. Registered: March 2006 And? March was before a year and a half ago. I don't understand the point of your post.
Dover wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 05:01 havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 00:54 Dover wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 02:08 lol dicktree. I actually remember when Null was around. I remember him getting B& too, but maybe I'm mis-remembering. I distinctly remember him being a dicktree back then, too, before he had a year and a half to let it all his pent up ReneRage ferment. Registered: March 2006 And? March was before a year and a half ago. I don't understand the point of your post. Null left NS sometime in late 05... maybe very early 06.
I don't recall seeing him on NS. I recall seeing him on these forums and thinking "Wow, what a jackass".
TO SUMMARIZE THIS ALL: null.var is some guy who got kicked out of n00bstories ages back. He got pissed off at luv2pb because he got in a high spot, even though null.var (AKA his apparent tons of other names) got kicked out. null.var thinks he's hot shit, when in reality, he's another shitbag no one cares about. luv2pb totally gave Crimson oral ( ). If you don't know who null.var is, you're clearly not an oldbie, and do not deserve to talk. You must know every vague aspect about him, and if you can't decode his cryptic (AKA, nonexistent) information he's posted about himself, then you are scum. Someone may correct me if I'm wrong. I personally blame Surth for all of this.
Cabal8616 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 05:32 TO SUMMARIZE THIS ALL: null.var is some guy who got kicked out of n00bstories ages back. truth Cabal8616 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 05:32 He got pissed off at luv2pb because he got in a high spot, even though null.var (AKA his apparent tons of other names) got kicked out. false - also watch for repetition Cabal8616 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 05:32 null.var thinks he's hot shit, when in reality, he's another shitbag no one cares about. Cabal8616 Registered: March 2006 Maybe if you were here back in 2003-2005, you would know and appreciate what he has done. Cabal8616 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 05:32 luv2pb totally gave Crimson oral ( ). If you don't know who null.var is, you're clearly not an oldbie, and do not deserve to talk. Wrong. You don't have to know who he is, but you shouldn't act like you know the history of Null and his past here (Enough people act here as it is!). That just makes you look like (as Nikki6ixx puts it) a dicktree. Cabal8616 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 05:32 You must know every vague aspect about him, and if you can't decode his cryptic (AKA, nonexistent) information he's posted about himself, then you are scum. If you knew every vague aspect about him, you would be a stalker... it takes some background about early Ren days to understand what he's saying about himself... earlier than March 2006. Cabal8616 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 05:32 Someone may correct me if I'm wrong. I got your back, no worries.
havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 04:59 false - also watch for repetition Perhaps I should have elaborated on my last bit. When I said "correct me", I didn't mean just say "true" or "false" or "you're wrong". Present me with a fairly detailed analysis, and I will be able to understand the situation more. I'd much more prefer null.var himself to do this, but oh well. havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 04:59 Cabal8616 Registered: March 2006 Maybe if you were here back in 2003-2005, you would know and appreciate what he has done. You're right, I don't know who he is- it doesn't help that he keeps playing the "I'm a mysterious guy who not too many people know. Hey, what? You don't know me?! NEWFAG" card. It's damned annoying, and you're using the same mentality. Explain some, that's kind of what I WANTED to see in this topic- people elaborating on his apparent background. I won't necessarily take yours or his word as absolute fact naturally, unless multiple people, including people like Luv2pb, Spoony, Crimson, and so on agree that it's a fact. Also, by posting join dates and then dismissing any opinions that oppose yours soley because of said join date, it makes you look incredibly pretentious. havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 04:59 Wrong. You don't have to know who he is, but you shouldn't act like you know the history of Null and his past here (Enough people act here as it is!). That just makes you look like (as Nikki6ixx puts it) a dicktree. Not saying I absolutely know his history, either. I'm simply going on what has been said here, naturally. Once again, if my summary is wrong, prove it wrong with facts and logic. Not just contradictory statements. havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 04:59 If you knew every vague aspect about him, you would be a stalker... it takes some background about early Ren days to understand what he's saying about himself... earlier than March 2006. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Hyperbole I CLEARLY meant that seriously, right? If you look past the sarcasm though, you'd see my point. Then again, maybe not, you're pulling the same shit he is. Now let's be real here for a second. Have you ever wondered why less and less people join the Renegade community? Maybe, just MAYBE, it's the attitude some of the "oldbies" here take- "You weren't here, therefore, you are not welcome" is the general feel that seems to be given off. I wouldn't mind QUITE as much, if both you and null.var had given further facts and statements that actually were logical and had a point to them. But it honestly just feels like some shitty business. You have to have connections and have been there for awhile- nevermind your competence or ability or anything, the only thing that apparently matters is how long you've been here.
havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 04:59 Maybe if you were here back in 2003-2005, you would know and appreciate what he has done. go ahead and fill us newbies in, and let's see if the good outweighs the bad? like I said, I can only speak from personal experience with him... all of which is very, very bad, so by all means let's hear the positive... given that a handful of people here seem to think he's a prick and the rest don't know him.
Can't fucking stand people that judge others by how long they've been around. That's basically all I have to say.
Well I don't know how secret this is so I don't want to spill the beans, but go ask Crimson about what Khold, xptek, null, Lee, and a few others worked on for quite a while. EDIT: Nikki and Eth and whoever the fuck the other guy is, please take your shenanigans to another thread. EDIT2: Cabal8616 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 06:15 Now let's be real here for a second. Have you ever wondered why less and less people join the Renegade community? Maybe, just MAYBE, it's the attitude some of the "oldbies" here take- "You weren't here, therefore, you are not welcome" is the general feel that seems to be given off. It's the new people like these 3 idiots who posted above me (Ethenal, Nikki, and whoever the fuck fobby is)
havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 16:32 Well I don't know how secret this is so I don't want to spill the beans, but go ask Crimson about what Khold, xptek, null, Lee, and a few others worked on for quite a while. EDIT: Nikki and Eth and whoever the fuck the other guy is, please take your shenanigans to another thread. EDIT2: Cabal8616 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 06:15 Now let's be real here for a second. Have you ever wondered why less and less people join the Renegade community? Maybe, just MAYBE, it's the attitude some of the "oldbies" here take- "You weren't here, therefore, you are not welcome" is the general feel that seems to be given off. It's the new people like these 3 idiots who posted above me (Ethenal, Nikki, and whoever the fuck fobby is) Whoever the fuck Fobby is? I bet if you asked around here more people would recognize his name quicker than yours. You may be an oldbie but for christ sake learn about a person before you insult them. Fobby contributes so much more to this community than most of the people in this thread combined. Stop being such a prick. Nikki is a good guy too and despite his join date being after yours (HOLY SHIT NEWFAG WTF BBQ) I think a lot of people have very high respect for him. Ethenal as well. I think the thing is they (among many others) realize this thread is a pile of shit that means nothing to mostly everyone. You've missed a lot, but PLECOS is basically Renegade forums self moderation. Shit changes when you don't check a forum for a million years or whatever you've been busy doing that supersedes the Renegade community. Don't expect to be on top of the mountain the moment you come back.
u6795 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 16:41 havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 16:32 Well I don't know how secret this is so I don't want to spill the beans, but go ask Crimson about what Khold, xptek, null, Lee, and a few others worked on for quite a while. EDIT: Nikki and Eth and whoever the fuck the other guy is, please take your shenanigans to another thread. EDIT2: Cabal8616 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 06:15 Now let's be real here for a second. Have you ever wondered why less and less people join the Renegade community? Maybe, just MAYBE, it's the attitude some of the "oldbies" here take- "You weren't here, therefore, you are not welcome" is the general feel that seems to be given off. It's the new people like these 3 idiots who posted above me (Ethenal, Nikki, and whoever the fuck fobby is) Whoever the fuck Fobby is? I bet if you asked around here more people would recognize his name quicker than yours. You may be an oldbie but for christ sake learn about a person before you insult them. Fobby contributes so much more to this community than most of the people in this thread combined. Stop being such a prick. Nikki is a good guy too and despite his join date being after yours (HOLY SHIT NEWFAG WTF BBQ) I think a lot of people have very high respect for him. Ethenal as well. I think the thing is they (among many others) realize this thread is a pile of shit that means nothing to mostly everyone. You've missed a lot, but PLECOS is basically Renegade forums self moderation. Shit changes when you don't check a forum for a million years or whatever you've been busy doing that supersedes the Renegade community. Don't expect to be on top of the mountain the moment you come back. Sorry, I don't keep up with every single person here. And no, I don't expect everyone to know who I am. I beg to differ on Ethenal and Nikki... This thread is a pile of shit? And who ever said I was on top of the mountain? Where did I ever say I was at the top of the mountain? What makes you think I am at the top of the mountain?
havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 16:50 u6795 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 16:41 havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 16:32 Well I don't know how secret this is so I don't want to spill the beans, but go ask Crimson about what Khold, xptek, null, Lee, and a few others worked on for quite a while. EDIT: Nikki and Eth and whoever the fuck the other guy is, please take your shenanigans to another thread. EDIT2: Cabal8616 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 06:15 Now let's be real here for a second. Have you ever wondered why less and less people join the Renegade community? Maybe, just MAYBE, it's the attitude some of the "oldbies" here take- "You weren't here, therefore, you are not welcome" is the general feel that seems to be given off. It's the new people like these 3 idiots who posted above me (Ethenal, Nikki, and whoever the fuck fobby is) Whoever the fuck Fobby is? I bet if you asked around here more people would recognize his name quicker than yours. You may be an oldbie but for christ sake learn about a person before you insult them. Fobby contributes so much more to this community than most of the people in this thread combined. Stop being such a prick. Nikki is a good guy too and despite his join date being after yours (HOLY SHIT NEWFAG WTF BBQ) I think a lot of people have very high respect for him. Ethenal as well. I think the thing is they (among many others) realize this thread is a pile of shit that means nothing to mostly everyone. You've missed a lot, but PLECOS is basically Renegade forums self moderation. Shit changes when you don't check a forum for a million years or whatever you've been busy doing that supersedes the Renegade community. Don't expect to be on top of the mountain the moment you come back. Sorry, I don't keep up with every single person here. And no, I don't expect everyone to know who I am. I beg to differ on Ethenal and Nikki... This thread is a pile of shit? [img]http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5618/apbeu1.jpg [img]http://www.n00bstories.com/image.fetch.php?id=1141455709 And who ever said I was on top of the mountain? Where did I ever say I was at the top of the mountain? What makes you think I am at the top of the mountain? First impressions. You've got a remarkably snide attitude from what I've seen despite the fact I haven't been paying attention to this much.
havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 15:50 u6795 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 16:41 havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 16:32 Well I don't know how secret this is so I don't want to spill the beans, but go ask Crimson about what Khold, xptek, null, Lee, and a few others worked on for quite a while. EDIT: Nikki and Eth and whoever the fuck the other guy is, please take your shenanigans to another thread. EDIT2: Cabal8616 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 06:15 Now let's be real here for a second. Have you ever wondered why less and less people join the Renegade community? Maybe, just MAYBE, it's the attitude some of the "oldbies" here take- "You weren't here, therefore, you are not welcome" is the general feel that seems to be given off. It's the new people like these 3 idiots who posted above me (Ethenal, Nikki, and whoever the fuck fobby is) Whoever the fuck Fobby is? I bet if you asked around here more people would recognize his name quicker than yours. You may be an oldbie but for christ sake learn about a person before you insult them. Fobby contributes so much more to this community than most of the people in this thread combined. Stop being such a prick. Nikki is a good guy too and despite his join date being after yours (HOLY SHIT NEWFAG WTF BBQ) I think a lot of people have very high respect for him. Ethenal as well. I think the thing is they (among many others) realize this thread is a pile of shit that means nothing to mostly everyone. You've missed a lot, but PLECOS is basically Renegade forums self moderation. Shit changes when you don't check a forum for a million years or whatever you've been busy doing that supersedes the Renegade community. Don't expect to be on top of the mountain the moment you come back. Sorry, I don't keep up with every single person here. And no, I don't expect everyone to know who I am. I beg to differ on Ethenal and Nikki... This thread is a pile of shit? And who ever said I was on top of the mountain? Where did I ever say I was at the top of the mountain? What makes you think I am at the top of the mountain? ...They made a WOL clone? Gee, who the fuck ever did that!
Ethenal wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 16:55 ...They made a WOL clone? Gee, who the fuck ever did that! Notice how it says "Logging into Linkup" Search Renforums for Linkup, I doubt you find a post about it. You'll have to ask somebody like Crimson about it. Maybe she will tell you what it was and why it's better than XWIS...
havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 16:18 Ethenal wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 16:55 ...They made a WOL clone? Gee, who the fuck ever did that! Notice how it says "Logging into Linkup" Search Renforums for Linkup, I doubt you find a post about it. You'll have to ask somebody like Crimson about it. Maybe she will tell you what it was and why it's better than XWIS... I saw that part, but me being inferior to you and not having been on Renforums and n00bstories as long as you have (though I was PLAYING Renegade from the beginning, just not participating in the drama), I have no idea what that means. And no, it doesn't return a post. But FUDforum's search is a piece of shit anyway.
Ethenal wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 17:21 havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 16:18 Ethenal wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 16:55 ...They made a WOL clone? Gee, who the fuck ever did that! Notice how it says "Logging into Linkup" Search Renforums for Linkup, I doubt you find a post about it. You'll have to ask somebody like Crimson about it. Maybe she will tell you what it was and why it's better than XWIS... I saw that part, but me being inferior to you and not having been on Renforums and n00bstories as long as you have (though I was PLAYING Renegade from the beginning, just not participating in the drama), I have no idea what that means. And no, it doesn't return a post. But FUDforum's search is a piece of shit anyway. There won't be any results no matter how you search for it. It was a web-based backend replacement for WOL, still had clan support, quickplay worked, the WOL helpbot was back online... too many improvements to list. EDIT: I agree, FUDForum's search is a sack of shit
Fuck yeah! Plecos! This topic instantly went from shit to awesome! And lol @ xwis clones.
Dover wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 17:34 Fuck yeah! Plecos! This topic instantly went from shit to awesome! And lol @ xwis clones. This would've superseded xwis had it been used.
havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 14:41 Dover wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 17:34 Fuck yeah! Plecos! This topic instantly went from shit to awesome! And lol @ xwis clones. This would've superseded xwis had it been used. It's the same story with all xwis clones. "This is better! This would've replaced xwis!" Could've, would've, should've, but didn't. The "why" is of minimal importance, which means the xwis clone is of minimal importance. You brought this up to show us why we should care about null, yet I'm left caring even less than I did before.
hey guize i made something that has been done before i demand ur respect o and if u dont kno me then you have no right to talk.
Cabal8616 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 18:11 hey guize i made something that has been done before i demand ur respect o and if u dont kno me then you have no right to talk. There's no winning with you people. Cabal, you obviously have no idea what this was, and that it HASN'T been done before. Anyways, I'm done. This thread has turned into fish pictures and ignorant replies.
havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 23:19 Cabal8616 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 18:11 hey guize i made something that has been done before i demand ur respect o and if u dont kno me then you have no right to talk. There's no winning with you people. Cabal, you obviously have no idea what this was, and that it HASN'T been done before. Anyways, I'm done. This thread has turned into fish pictures and ignorant replies. It's been done many times before, Wol is just an IRC server with some extra features.
RoShamBo wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 17:33 havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 23:19 Cabal8616 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 18:11 hey guize i made something that has been done before i demand ur respect o and if u dont kno me then you have no right to talk. There's no winning with you people. Cabal, you obviously have no idea what this was, and that it HASN'T been done before. Anyways, I'm done. This thread has turned into fish pictures and ignorant replies. It's been done many times before, Wol is just an IRC server with some extra features. Exactly, as far as I know, XWIS was another third party WOL ages back before it became the official WOL. I do appreciate the work that went into it, but seeing as how it's not been applied or anything, it just seems like it was all for naught. The only reason why you seem to be posting that, is for the sole purpose of being like "hey this happened, therefore, your arguement is invalid", rather than having an actual, valid point to it. TL;DR: stop the e-dick swinging, no one gives a fuck
Lets look at what everyone has said: Quote: luv2pb I would advise anyone with any kind of sanity NOT to waste their time reading that. But how would he know... Quote: I didn't look at it so I don't know if he actually changed anything. Oh wait I know why he wouldn't "advise" to read it. He was there and he knew how stupid he sounded and therefore decided to deter you all from witnessing his immense stupidity. Also, I assure you I didn't change anything, the nonsensical shit that you see in that log is from nobody but luv2pb. Here is another one of my favorites: Quote: u6795 Can't fucking stand people that judge others by how long they've been around. That's basically all I have to say. Thats funny: Quote: Have you ever wondered why less and less people join the Renegade community?...it's the attitude some of the "oldbies" here take- "You weren't here, therefore, you are not welcome" is the general feel that seems to be given off. Quote: Shit changes when you don't check a forum for a million years or whatever you've been busy doing that supersedes the Renegade community. Don't expect to be on top of the mountain the moment you come back. ????? Try again before you contradict yourself. I guess only me and Havocide's seniority is open to judgment! I don't expect you all to understand why Linkup would have succeeded because you were all too busy embracing XWIS and Clanwars.cc to open yourself to something better. If you ask anyone who knows about it, they'll tell you the extensive time, testing and money we put into building that project. Ironically, it was made by people that I'm pretty sure you all hate. In fact, let me go ahead and examine JUST the Linkup dev team's relationship and contributory actions regarding the Renegade community. xptek -> Joined community in 2003. Provided network defense, application security analysis, community support, Linkup coder, 2000+ posts on Renforums, frequented IRC. Received requests to retaliate against parties who DDoS'd Crimson's servers.Lead movement to incorporate APB and n00bstories into the development process of Linkup by consulting with them every step of the way. Result: Banned twice. GZlined on IRC. left community in frustration. null -> Joined community in September 2002 after leaving WSE. Frequented IRC. Advised Crimson to branch into games other than Renegade (specifically Counter-Strike.) Former n00bstories halfop. Provided IRC server (2004) avast.n00bstories.com - Maintained relationships with underground groups to seek incoming attacks against n00bstories, warned Crimson and attempt to convince the perpetrators otherwise. Orchestrated many retaliatory acts against communities that threated n00bstories. Worked with Crimson on analysis of EA's move to XWIS and worked silently to lead an alternative to the unstable, stratified and buggy WOL clone. Asked to be banned many times so that nobody would suspect that I was working to help her. Result: Banned several times (not by Crimson and not by my request). Lost half-op. After attempting many times to mend the gap by apologizing, introducing new people into the IRC (both me and my 30+ community members were harassed constantly) or even trying to positively contribute again, each attempt failed. I won't even get into how Kholdstare and Aprime are treated here. Aprime worked tirelessly to develop a beautiful interface for Linkup. Kholdstare has been loyal to Crimson for years, but has gotten absolutely nothing in return. Its disgusting. Now for fun, lets compare other people's contributions: Spoony -> June 2006: Spoony tries to pedal Clanwars.cc as some sort of alternative to the WOL clan ladder. Granted one didn't exist, but Linkup and BHS were both moving to make one. Renforums receives DDoS. Quote: The only gripe I can bring to mind is neither XWIS nor RenegadeCommunity.com have, or have ever had, anything in the way of clan support for Renegade. I'm just saying, I've brought up a suggestion which will benefit everyone and be of detriment to no-one, and it seems to have fallen on deaf ears. On the ears of Electronic Arts, however, it's resulted in our league being sponsored with hundreds of dollars' worth of prizes, which I think is food for thought for all the EA-haters on this forum who claim they don't support the older games. September 2006: Spoony bitches to Apoc and Crimson gets shit on by Apoc because she did not throw herself all over the concept of sponsoring a generic, third party ladder system. Result: Received Apoc and Crimson's support (somehow?). Became moderator of RenegadeCommunity.com forums. You all like to bitch about logic, so heres some flawed logic: null: Active community member -> Does Crimson's dirty work -> Attempted to provide a better WOL -> Stripped of ops and banned. Spoony: Shows up out of nowhere -> Spews some crap about CW.cc -> Considered a community leader luv2pb: Goes to n00bparty -> Becomes a n00bstories administrator Quote: Joey - irc.supragame.com says: Do you maintain the website Joey - irc.supragame.com says: like luv2pb says: andrew282 and ethenal do that Joey - irc.supragame.com says: what about the servers luv2pb says: and are building the new ones as well luv2pb says: what about them? Joey - irc.supragame.com says: do you debug them and such Joey - irc.supragame.com says: if something goes wrong, you fix it yourself? luv2pb says: it is far and few between but on the rare occasion yes I deal with the servers luv2pb says: typically only the Ren one ever needs me - the others are pretty much trouble free Joey - irc.supragame.com says: I wonder why all those things run trouble free Joey - irc.supragame.com says: somehow I really do not think it was due to your efforts, no offence I seriously encourage you to read the log and see for yourself.
You're wearing some mighty fine rose-tinted glasses there, null. I'm not taking sides here - I think there are better ways to approach this, but some of the things you're saying are quite inaccurate... well, actually, more like omitting certain facts. If you're going to claw this one back, I'd start peddling the truth.
Ok, so if you have such horrible misgivings about these people, then why are you not settling this score via PM, email, or any other behind the scenes correspondence?
The only reason I know who null is, is because he got chewed out royally over something at APB. Seems like it was deserved judging by the way he acts here. You may be an Oldbie, but that doesn't qualify you to act the way you do.
null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 18:30 I don't expect you all to understand why Linkup would have succeeded because you were all too busy embracing XWIS and Clanwars.cc to open yourself to something better. If you ask anyone who knows about it, they'll tell you the extensive time, testing and money we put into building that project. Ironically, it was made by people that I'm pretty sure you all hate. You think you could have provided a clan ladder that was "something better" than Clanwars.cc? If the answer's yes (and I have the feeling any competitive clan player would laugh at you at this point), then why didn't you? Why has the tangible contribution to this game in terms of a clan ladder (a necessary function of the game) been absolutely nothing? Now, you're not alone in this regard; plenty of other people haven't provided a clan ladder for this game. Me and my colleagues at CW are the only people who have. Those are the facts... although that's irrelevant to you, and always has been. Whether players had a clan ladder to use or not never mattered to you, clearly. null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 18:30 null -> Joined community in September 2002 after leaving WSE. Frequented IRC. Advised Crimson to branch into games other than Renegade (specifically Counter-Strike.) Former n00bstories halfop. Provided IRC server (2004) avast.n00bstories.com - Maintained relationships with underground groups to seek incoming attacks against n00bstories, warned Crimson and attempt to convince the perpetrators otherwise. Orchestrated many retaliatory acts against communities that threated n00bstories. Worked with Crimson on analysis of EA's move to XWIS and worked silently to lead an alternative to the unstable, stratified and buggy WOL clone. Asked to be banned many times so that nobody would suspect that I was working to help her. Result: Banned several times (not by Crimson and not by my request). Lost half-op. After attempting many times to mend the gap by apologizing, introducing new people into the IRC (both me and my 30+ community members were harassed constantly) or even trying to positively contribute again, each attempt failed. So in a nutshell, your boasting right is that you played a small part in undoing some of the damage you did in the first place? And you bitch at someone like luv2pb for not knowing about it when it was all secret anyway? Your stupidity is breathtaking. null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 18:30 Now for fun, lets compare other people's contributions: Spoony -> June 2006: Spoony tries to pedal Clanwars.cc as some sort of alternative to the WOL clan ladder. Granted one didn't exist, but Linkup and BHS were both moving to make one. Why didn't they? Why didn't you? We already had one. We had one since 2002 and barring the odd ddos attack from losers like you, it's always been there. We actually gave a shit about the players. You didn't. You've done nothing to provide a clan ladder. Get that word: nothing. null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 18:30 Renforums receives DDoS. And you went and told Apoc that I did it... you lied... again. null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 18:30 September 2006: Spoony bitches to Apoc and Crimson gets shit on by Apoc because she did not throw herself all over the concept of sponsoring a generic, third party ladder system. I did not complain to Apoc about that. As for "bitching to Apoc", you're the one with the habit of running to him and lying to make someone look bad, remember? null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 18:30 Result: Received Apoc and Crimson's support (somehow?). Became moderator of RenegadeCommunity.com forums. Uh, if you mean moderator here, that's only in the CGN forum section (makes sense since the CGN was my creation in the first place) and the tactics section, neither of which carry a great deal of authority. It is a bit of an exaggeration to describe myself as a full moderator here. null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 18:30 You all like to bitch about logic, so heres some flawed logic: null: Active community member -> Does Crimson's dirty work -> Attempted to provide a better WOL -> Stripped of ops and banned. Yeah, you were SO ACTIVE that you've just had to tell everyone good things about you in the feeble hope it counteracts the bad things about you? That alone ought to give you a clue about how little you've contributed to the community... at least, it would if you were a little brighter than you are. null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 18:30 Spoony: Shows up out of nowhere -> Spews some crap about CW.cc sorry, shows up out of nowhere? spews some crap about Clanwars.cc? that's a really strange way of describing the fact that I've hosted a clan ladder for several years, something you did not care about the community enough to do. See above re: "nothing" null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 18:30 -> Considered a community leader I never really considered myself a community leader outside of Clanwars.cc, but the bitterness in this statement is sufficiently satisfying that I don't feel like arguing against it.
The reason we were not able to finish the Clan ladder is because xptek and Lee wrote everything from scratch. We had to seek outside help and eventually, we lost both developers because we faced such brutal opposition in the community. Unlike you, we attempted to use the clan support that was already integrated with the Westwood game clients, as opposed to a reporting system. Excuse us for attempting to make a quality, fully functioning product.
Dover wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 17:59 havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 14:41 Dover wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 17:34 Fuck yeah! Plecos! This topic instantly went from shit to awesome! And lol @ xwis clones. This would've superseded xwis had it been used. It's the same story with all xwis clones. "This is better! This would've replaced xwis!" Could've, would've, should've, but didn't. The "why" is of minimal importance, which means the xwis clone is of minimal importance. You brought this up to show us why we should care about null, yet I'm left caring even less than I did before. You have absolutely NO clue what potential that it had and why it failed. Yours and everybody else's bullshit assumptions about Linkup as a WOL-clone (NOT XWIS clone, morons) is just that... bullshit. You guys are right to bitch about null being a troll that's doing nothing but causing a stir, but don't think that Linkup can be grouped into that.
Indeed, can we not shit on what was supposed to a great community centralization project please.
I don't have time to reply to everything, but luv2pb was the lead admin for the Renegade server for a good 2 years or more before n00bparty. His responsibilities have increased over time, but it's not a product of his attendance at n00bparty so much as a product of him *gasp* doing a good job, having good ideas, and (most of the time) having good motivation. Also, I have had to delegate a lot of stuff away in the last year that I've been running my business. I won't knock or belittle your contributions on my behalf when I was a frequent target of DDoS attacks from people you at some point probably considered friends. I definitely don't miss those days AT ALL.
cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 17:33 Dover wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 17:59 havocide3 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 14:41 Dover wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 17:34 Fuck yeah! Plecos! This topic instantly went from shit to awesome! And lol @ xwis clones. This would've superseded xwis had it been used. It's the same story with all xwis clones. "This is better! This would've replaced xwis!" Could've, would've, should've, but didn't. The "why" is of minimal importance, which means the xwis clone is of minimal importance. You brought this up to show us why we should care about null, yet I'm left caring even less than I did before. You have absolutely NO clue what potential that it had and why it failed. Yours and everybody else's bullshit assumptions about Linkup as a WOL-clone (NOT XWIS clone, morons) is just that... bullshit. You guys are right to bitch about null being a troll that's doing nothing but causing a stir, but don't think that Linkup can be grouped into that. You're right! This linkup thing I've never heard of is the greatest advance in the entire history of Renegade! It has benefited each and every player because of it's fine innovations and prompt implementation! Oh, wait...
null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 19:30 The reason we were not able to finish the Clan ladder is because xptek and Lee wrote everything from scratch. We had to seek outside help and eventually, we lost both developers because we faced such brutal opposition in the community. So what you're saying is their precious feelings being hurt was more important than providing the clan ladder the community needed? Well, thanks for answering my question of why you provided nothing to the community in terms of a clan ladder, although it hardly works in your favour. null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 19:30 Unlike you, we attempted to use the clan support that was already integrated with the Westwood game clients, as opposed to a reporting system. Excuse us for attempting to make a quality, fully functioning product. Oh, I would not slate you for attempting it, despite your unmitigated failure. I'm not you, you see. If anything I would've applauded your efforts, and welcomed the competition. Although, even if you could've been bothered to finish the product, I very much doubt it would've presented my ladder with anything resembling "competition", any more than jschultz's ladder did.
LIKE I SAID, don't make assumptions about why it failed. You haven't the slightest fucking clue, like the rest of the community. I didn't say it was great. I didn't say it benefited anything. All I said is do not insult it because you haven't the slightest fucking clue about it.
It couldn't be implemented because our developers got fed up with the shit we got from Chronojam, Saberhawk, Silent_Kane, Spoony and Olaf. I can't say I blame them for not putting up with it.
Spoony wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 19:43 I would've applauded your efforts, and welcomed the competition. Although, even if you could've been bothered to finish the product, I rather doubt it would've been more popular and successful than my clan ladder. Of course it would have, and thats why you went trying to Kauffman about me and Crimson not immediately agreeing with you. Way to go.
null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 19:44 It couldn't be implemented because our developers got fed up with the shit we got from Chronojam, Saberhawk, Silent_Kane, Spoony and Olaf. I can't say I blame them for not putting up with it. What did I do? null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 19:44 Quote: I would've applauded your efforts, and welcomed the competition. Although, even if you could've been bothered to finish the product, I rather doubt it would've been more popular and successful than my clan ladder. Of course it would have, and thats why you went trying to Kauffman about me and Crimson not immediately agreeing with you. Way to go. You seem even more confused than usual at this point. You're saying that I felt threatened by this clan ladder I didn't know even about? Indeed, how could anyone know about it, seeing as how for all intents and purposes it didn't exist? Read your own posts and see how much sense you aren't making. cheesesoda wrote That implies lack of desire/ambition/ability on the part of null and the rest of the Linkup team. Don't imply shit. Very very few people actually know anything about it. Like I said, if I knew about these efforts I probably would've encouraged them, despite the fact they would have been in competition with my own ladder. But, I can hardly be faulted for not knowing about these efforts, can I? You know, given the complete lack of results? Still, like I said, I'd have given points for trying... whereas null has given me nothing but vitriol for my efforts in the same direction. Maybe what really pisses him off is my efforts were actually successful?
Spoony Although, even if you could've been bothered to finish the product That implies lack of desire/ambition/ability on the part of null and the rest of the Linkup team. Don't imply shit. Very very few people actually know anything about it.
You pissed and moaned and bitched until Apoc confronted Crimson. Also, Quote: I won't knock or belittle your contributions on my behalf when I was a frequent target of DDoS attacks from people you at some point probably considered friends. I definitely don't miss those days AT ALL. Jesus Christ thank you. You know, I really appreciate you recognizing that.
null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 19:48 You pissed and moaned and bitched until Apoc confronted Crimson. I had a legitimate grievance (although you clearly don't seem to know what it was). When you lied to Apoc saying I ddosed this website, you didn't have a legitimate grievance. You were lying. Again. So let's examine your statement here. I made a perfectly legitimate complaint, and so your group abandoned your efforts to provide a clan ladder. Meanwhile, you made a completely fictional complaint, a big sack of lies you made up out of nowhere, and unlike you I DIDN'T say "SORRY GUYS! LEAGUE'S CLOSED!" If your IQ was any lower you might just need watering.
cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 17:44 LIKE I SAID, don't make assumptions about why it failed. You haven't the slightest fucking clue, like the rest of the community. I didn't say it was great. I didn't say it benefited anything. All I said is do not insult it because you haven't the slightest fucking clue about it. cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 17:48 Spoony Although, even if you could've been bothered to finish the product That implies lack of desire/ambition/ability on the part of null and the rest of the Linkup team. Don't imply shit. Very very few people actually know anything about it. You're missing the point, cheese, neither I nor Spoony nor anyone else is saying WHY it failed. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter why it failed. The point is it failed. It was never done. It amounted to nothing. Zero. Nada. And this is what the troll is touting as his great success? This is the reason we should all drop to our knees and suck his e-cock? From the sound of things, he feels he deserves Spoony's/Luv's job. Is this FAILED, NO-PRODUCT project the reason? Give me a fucking break. TL;DR It would've been nice if this Linkup was finished, and if it somehow blew xwis out of the water, but here's the important bit: IT WASN'T. For whatever reason it may be--Financial, lack of community support, laziness, DDoS, lack of ambitition, whatever. It doesn't matter. The point is that this "Linkup" is now nothing other than a pimple on community's ass from years ago, and null is openly flaunting his dicktree-ness by even bringing something like it up.
Spoony wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 19:43 So what you're saying is their precious feelings being hurt was more important than providing the clan ladder the community needed? Honestly, I didn't really see a point in using my bandwidth and resources to provide a free service to a bunch of whiners and morons. The C&C community is really just fucking hilarious anymore, and this entire discussion only proves that further! Quote: Oh, I would not slate you for attempting it, despite your unmitigated failure. I'm not you, you see. If anything I would've applauded your efforts, and welcomed the competition. Although, even if you could've been bothered to finish the product, I very much doubt it would've presented my ladder with anything resembling "competition", any more than jschultz's ladder did. The product was finished (the web interface too!), and I don't see why you're trying to compare it to Clanwars. Clanwars is a simple reporting system. Linkup's ladder system follows the original WOL protocol and actually integrated with the game. Once again, for all you presumptuous fucktards: Linkup was finished. Ultimately, we decided not to launch the service because the majority of you are stupid. - xptek
spigot wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 18:08 Honestly, I didn't really see a point in using my bandwidth and resources to provide a free service to a bunch of whiners and morons. The C&C community is really just fucking hilarious anymore, and this entire discussion only proves that further! So basically, yes. Hurt feelings and bruised egos. spigot wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 18:08 The product was finished (the web interface too!), and I don't see why you're trying to compare it to Clanwars. Clanwars is a simple reporting system. Linkup's ladder system follows the original WOL protocol and actually integrated with the game. Release or it didn't happen.
Dover wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 21:07 cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 17:44 LIKE I SAID, don't make assumptions about why it failed. You haven't the slightest fucking clue, like the rest of the community. I didn't say it was great. I didn't say it benefited anything. All I said is do not insult it because you haven't the slightest fucking clue about it. cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 17:48 Spoony Although, even if you could've been bothered to finish the product That implies lack of desire/ambition/ability on the part of null and the rest of the Linkup team. Don't imply shit. Very very few people actually know anything about it. You're missing the point, cheese, neither I nor Spoony nor anyone else is saying WHY it failed. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter why it failed. The point is it failed. It was never done. It amounted to nothing. Zero. Nada. And this is what the troll is touting as his great success? This is the reason we should all drop to our knees and suck his e-cock? From the sound of things, he feels he deserves Spoony's/Luv's job. Is this FAILED, NO-PRODUCT project the reason? Give me a fucking break. TL;DR It would've been nice if this Linkup was finished, and if it somehow blew xwis out of the water, but here's the important bit: IT WASN'T. For whatever reason it may be--Financial, lack of community support, laziness, DDoS, lack of ambitition, whatever. It doesn't matter. The point is that this "Linkup" is now nothing other than a pimple on community's ass from years ago, and null is openly flaunting his dicktree-ness by even bringing something like it up. From what I was reading, it seems like there are insinuations about Linkup because null is being an insufferable cock right now. I'm certainly not trying to argue that it was a success or that it did anything significant for the community. Obviously, it didn't end up going anywhere. Still, it just seems like Linkup is being judged by simply looking at null's behavior.
spigot wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 20:08 Honestly, I didn't really see a point in using my bandwidth and resources to provide a free service to a bunch of whiners and morons. Then we differ. I provided a clan ladder in spite of the whiners and morons, because I saw it as necessary to the community. spigot wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 20:08 The product was finished (the web interface too!), and I don't see why you're trying to compare it to Clanwars. Clanwars is a simple reporting system. Linkup's ladder system follows the original WOL protocol and actually integrated with the game. - xptek Clanwars actually existed. You could write pages and pages finding as many faults as you could with Clanwars; you could write pages more telling us what a great system Linkup would be. Those three italics words would trump it all. spigot wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 20:08 Once again, for all you presumptuous fucktards: Linkup was finished. Ultimately, we decided not to launch the service because the majority of you are stupid. So your personal dislike of people here is an excuse to deprive the community as a whole, is it? That alone tells me all I need to know; it demonstrates with certainty that your ladder would never compare to mine in a million years, and yet I'd still give you credit for trying.
Thank you for successfully hijacking this thread, Spoony. Can we go back to talking about luv2pb now please?
It's not a matter of how great of a system Linkup "would" be. Linkup WAS. It just wasn't released because, honestly, nobody in this community has ever been worth the hassle. Of course, you guys do have every right to doubt it. Linkup was never publicly released, so as far as you're concerned, xptek and null are talking out of their asses. Still, any criticism of Clanwars is legit, even if Linkup can't be proven to be better. Just because you produce something doesn't make it viable. Just look at Internet Explorer...
null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 20:20 Thank you for successfully hijacking this thread, Spoony. Can we go back to talking about luv2pb now please? Funny how you didn't mention the thread been hijacked the first few times... I guess it didn't matter until you got caught lying a few times, it turned out you didn't have a fucking clue what you were talking about, and it turned out the bad you've done to the community far outweighs the good you claim you were going to do but decided not to out of self-interest. cheesesoda wrote It's not a matter of how great of a system Linkup "would" be. Linkup WAS. It just wasn't released because, honestly, nobody in this community has ever been worth the hassle. Yep, getting flamed by a few people justifies denying the entire renegade community the supposed benefits of the project. cheesesoda wrote Still, any criticism of Clanwars is legit, even if Linkup can't be proven to be better. Oh, yes. Of course criticism of Clanwars is legit. When I was running the show I'd always go to the trouble of answering it.
So wait, you guys finished Linkup, but then decided not to give it to us because 'we're dumb' ?. Then why the hell are you here? Sheesh. And lets not go back to talking about luv2pb, because he does a fine job of administering n00bstories, as do the other administrators and moderators. The server is run well. Your attitude towards the guy is derisive, and you sound like a total asshole with some a fucking e-chip on your shoulder. Fuck, I'm surprised luv2pb put up with your bullshit as long as he did. The fact that he heard you out shows why Crimson put the dude in charge.
Spoony Yep, getting flamed by a few people justifies denying the entire renegade community the supposed benefits of the project. Getting flamed has nothing to do with it. It has to do with the vast majority of the community having the idea of self-entitlement for everything released.
For once i agree with spoonys long quoted rants. Null, question for you. What the fuck are you even attempting to do with this thread? Bring shit to luv2pbs name? Inform us your clearly outdated on n00bstories, and the renegade community? To me your chat with luv2pb, this thread, and all your whining posts just displays you have a pent up anger over the years towards the community and/or luv2pb. Grow a pair of fucking balls and shut the fuck up.
cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 20:36 Getting flamed has nothing to do with it. It has to do with the vast majority of the community having the idea of self-entitlement for everything released. I'll refer you to Null's own words. Quote: Chronojam, Saberhawk, Silent_Kane, Spoony and Olaf Five people. We now know that his gripe against me is completely fictional (for the 2nd time running), so that leaves four. I didn't ask what his problem is with the other four, but let's assume that he has a legitimate grievance, despite the fact he's managed to be crashingly wrong so often about so much already. If those four names (the "vast majority" of the Renegade community, apparently) behaved themselves appallingly, behaved themselves even worse than null has, you're saying it would be a perfectly good excuse to deprive the entire Renegade community of the wonders of Linkup? If I were to make a list of players who've cheated or pointpushed in clanwars, it would be a lot more than four names, and yet I'd still have hosted the league for the benefit of everyone else. Like I said, we differ on that. For some of us, getting the job done is what's important. For others, the general idea seems to be: decide not to help the community because you don't like a minority of them, then boast about how much you've done (when the reality is you decided not to do anything), and go on to belittle people who actually have done the things you thought weren't worth doing, and then cry about the fact nobody gives a shit about you anymore (ignoring the fact you've never given anyone a reason to)
Spoony: I'm not here to discuss the pros/cons of Linkup, XWIS, or Clanwars. Jake linked me to the thread, and I noticed several people making incorrect assumptions about Linkup. Fact of the matter is, Linkup, the Linkup network, and all accompanying programs were ready for public beta. Ultimately, I realized that this community as a whole is primarily comprised of absolute morons (just look at this thread, really) and decided to dedicate the bandwidth and money to something worthwhile. It had nothing to do with "hurt feelings" or lack of ambition. I just couldn't justify spending $300+ monthly on a bunch of bickering idiots at the time. After taking a look at some of the posts on this forum, I'm thinking it was a pretty good decision.
spigot wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 21:15 Spoony: I'm not here to discuss the pros/cons of Linkup, XWIS, or Clanwars. That is probably wise of you, considering the fact Null tried to, and failed dismally. (again) spigot wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 21:15 Jake linked me to the thread, and I noticed several people making incorrect assumptions about Linkup. Fact of the matter is, Linkup, the Linkup network, and all accompanying programs were ready for public beta. So? Who brought it up in the first place? Null (and havocide). If that's a bragging right, it is a valid rebuttal to point out that it got absolutely nowhere. What's really funny is Null seems to think it helps his case to blame this unmitigated failure on his dislike of those five people he mentioned, especially since we've learned that one of those five grievances was entirely fictional. It would look a lot better to just say there was some technical problem, it really would. He'd have gotten points for trying, in my book at least. He'd still be on about -1000 though. spigot wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 21:15 Ultimately, I realized that this community as a whole is primarily comprised of absolute morons (just look at this thread, really) Oh, I've seen the thread... I'm not sure you have. Given null's unparalleled stupidity, dishonesty, selfishness, bitterness and delusions of success, I'm a little puzzled why you think this shows everyone else to be "absolute morons".
spigot wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 20:08 Linkup was finished. Ultimately, we decided not to launch the service because the majority of you are stupid. Zounds! I don't even remember hearing about Linkup. How unfortunate, really.
Spoony wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 21:27 Given null's unparalleled stupidity, dishonesty, selfishness, bitterness and delusions of success, I'm a little puzzled why you think this shows everyone else to be "absolute morons". null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 17:06 What exactly did I do again?
Spoony I'm a little puzzled why you think this shows everyone else to be "absolute morons". I don't know how you can't see everybody being morons, INCLUDING null. Everybody wagon jumps and makes stupid posts against null. The only people who have legitimate reasons to bitch at him are the ones he's going after (very poorly, at that).
cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 21:56 Spoony I'm a little puzzled why you think this shows everyone else to be "absolute morons". I don't know how you can't see everybody being morons, INCLUDING null. Everybody wagon jumps and makes stupid posts against null. The only people who have legitimate reasons to bitch at him are the ones he's going after (very poorly, at that). We're all being being morons because this thread, in and of itself is moronic.
I never denied that, and I'm pretty sure I implied that by agreeing that null is being a moron.
nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 22:13 cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 21:56 Spoony I'm a little puzzled why you think this shows everyone else to be "absolute morons". I don't know how you can't see everybody being morons, INCLUDING null. Everybody wagon jumps and makes stupid posts against null. The only people who have legitimate reasons to bitch at him are the ones he's going after (very poorly, at that). We're all being being morons because this thread, in and of itself is moronic. lets all have peace! just lock this pile of shit
cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 22:14 I never denied that, and I'm pretty sure I implied that by agreeing that null is being a moron. Oh ok, so we're in agreement then. What do we do now?
nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 22:19 cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 22:14 I never denied that, and I'm pretty sure I implied that by agreeing that null is being a moron. Oh ok, so we're in agreement then. What do we do now? Lock and HoF
Canadacdn wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 22:33 Everyone here should pull their heads out of their fucking asses and realize that this argument is about a video game that came out in 2002. Get a damn life, people. My thoughts exactly.
Canadacdn wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 23:33 Everyone here should pull their heads out of their fucking asses and realize that this argument is about a video game that came out in 2002. Get a damn life, people. My only bitching was due to people discrediting a project being null is being a fucktard.
Ren > life... wait a min scratch that Ren = life
ChewML wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 23:39 Ren > life... wait a min scratch that Ren = life 'nuff said on everybody being morons. I don't think anybody here is implying, in the least, that an online game/forum is anyone's life. Having a gripe doesn't imply an obsession. If this was null's 10th post in 5 days, maybe I'd agree with you, since it's not, I'm going to have to just say that you're an idiot.
null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 20:48 Crimson I won't knock or belittle your contributions on my behalf when I was a frequent target of DDoS attacks from people you at some point probably considered friends. I definitely don't miss those days AT ALL. Jesus Christ thank you. You know, I really appreciate you recognizing that. You're awesome. You ignore the part of where she tells you in like 3 sentences why everything you have said is wrong but get a hard on because she threw you a bone and said something nice. null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 21:20 Thank you for successfully hijacking this thread, Spoony. Can we go back to talking about luv2pb now please? As anyone who reads this thread can tell no one really gives a crap about me outside of NS just like I said. Given that I did appreciate the compliments (thank you EWD, Dave, andr3w, Crim, Spoony and anyone I missed). It would seem to me this community has a disdain for you not me. By the way it was actually Havo who hijacked the thread not Spoony. Take a hint, even people who you tried to use against me (see: DaveGMM) told you to STFU. All you have done is make yourself look like a bigger jackass and confirm to me that I have done a good job over the years. Also, Crimson wont admit to the oral because she doesn't want Blazer to know how much better I am at it. Oh and one more thing null. You should hook up with drastic ... you two can jack each other off to how much you both hate me. May I suggest the "Dutch Rudder" maneuver to enhance the effect?
null.var wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 17:06 What exactly did I do again? hey, you're the one who came out of nowhere and cried and cried and cried about how nobody gives a shit about you (look at the initial replies; a handful of people think you're a prick and the rest haven't heard of you). That's what this thread was all about in the first place, your bitterness at being forgotten. (In your place I would probably welcome being forgotten, but hey) You've acted with nothing but vitriol towards me, for no provocation at all. You've lied several times trying to attack me and you've been busted each time. You've continually attacked me for being the only person who gives enough of a shit to provide a clan ladder i.e. succeeding where you failed (that's what really annoys you about me and CW, isn't it?). But moving on. It's really funny watching you huff and puff about how much you've "done for the community"; a simple fact check puts you somewhere below 0x90. You've done quite a few extremely bad things to this game and this community, and the only good thing you've done never got off the ground in the first place (and judging by your laughable conversation with luv2pb, you think others are at fault for not knowing about it). Well, there would be no real shame in the fact your linkup project was an unmitigated failure in every sense. Points for trying. At least, that WOULD be the case if you didn't make the absurd statement that the reason the project was an absolute, utter failure was everyone else's fault, specifically mine (and surprise surprise, you lied about why... again) I'm just saying, it seems like the reason you came crawling back to a community that spat you out is because you're desperate for respect... but it's really never occurred to you why nobody respects you. Judging by the luv2pb conversation, you're convinced that if someone doesn't think you're the best thing that happened to Renegade, they're new and ignorant. Couldn't POSSIBLY be because you haven't actually done anything for the community at all... at least, nothing good. I've already outlined the bad. I asked what did I do; and according to you, making a completely legitimate complaint about my website getting hacked makes me a real asshole. I know you're thick as pigshit so it's probably fruitless me pointing out there's nothing wrong with what I did there (a script kiddie loser like you can hardly be trusted to make any kind of moral distinction here), but that's not really the point... the point is what the hell does that make YOU? At least when I make a complaint to Apoc I tell him the truth. You don't, you make up bullshit lies to make people look bad, which you still haven't apologised for.
^ That's a pretty good summary. Also RenForums does not equal n00bstories, in case there's like 2 or 3 people who still haven't figured that out.
Spoony wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 02:21 Since I am so egocentric, you must understand that the reason why you are such a terrible person is because you criticize me. I gave a shit, so therefore you didn't give a shit. Even though I said that your existence means nothing, you have solely caused a series of bad things in the community. While I realize all this is logical fallacy, I'm going to go ahead and continue talking about it, just as I did 2 years ago, except this time, my shit is backed up by my new friends who previously shunned me.