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Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: Darkknight wrote No its a simple question. Doesn't need a full book of explanation. What will you do if your wrong and their is a God? I already answered that fully and clearly. I even went to the trouble of giving you a long version and a short version. But like I said, you never actually read what the person you're arguing with is saying, so I'll give it another go. Firstly, I never said "it is certain that there is no God". Scientifically, you cannot prove something does not exist. You just can't, like you can't prove the tooth fairy doesn't exist. What you can do is analyse how likely its existence is, based on how logical it is and how much evidence there is supporting it. In the case here, the question of does God exist, he scores no higher than the tooth fairy. Secondly, I specifically said that if God's existence was proven somehow, then I would accept the fact of his existence. I would, however, not worship him due to the fact I find many of the teachings related to Yahweh to be morally repugnant, as well as the fact that the Bible depicts him as a staggeringly evil monster. So, yes, you prove to me God exists and I'll admit he exists, but I won't worship him. If someone proved to you the devil exists, would you worship it? (If you already believe the devil exists, why don't you worship it?) Believing something's existence is not enough to worship it. I believe Hitler existed, but I would not worship him. Thirdly, your question seems to be about what happens when we die. If you're wrong, then presumably your life will be over in a conscious sense, and your body will eventually decompose, although I do not claim to know this as a fact; I can only guess, based on what we know about the human body. Well, if I'm wrong and there really is a God, a point needs to be made before we go any further. The point is this: if I'm wrong, it doesn't mean you're right. If I say 2+2=5 and you say 2+2=6, and I prove that 2+2 is not 6, that doesn't mean 2+2=5. Likewise if ever…
creator: Spoony
date: 2008-12-11T14:42:15-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: tl;dr;aftp
creator: Herr Surth
date: 2008-12-11T15:06:11-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: I'm actually starting to think I should write a book on religion and secularism... I'm just not sure I can stomach the inevitable death-threats.
creator: Spoony
date: 2008-12-11T16:43:57-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: Spoony wrote on Thu, 11 December 2008 11:43 I'm actually starting to think I should write a book on religion and secularism... I'm just not sure I can stomach the inevitable death-threats. Have you ever heard about Pat Condell? He didn't exactly write a book, but a Youtube video blog these days is right up there. I love that dude, and I'm pretty sure you'd enjoy his videos too. Search him on Youtube, you'll see what I mean.
creator: u6795
date: 2008-12-11T19:46:14-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: can someone edit this gif?
creator: DrasticDR
date: 2008-12-11T19:51:24-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: u6795 wrote on Thu, 11 December 2008 13:46 Spoony wrote on Thu, 11 December 2008 11:43 I'm actually starting to think I should write a book on religion and secularism... I'm just not sure I can stomach the inevitable death-threats. Have you ever heard about Pat Condell? He didn't exactly write a book, but a Youtube video blog these days is right up there. I love that dude, and I'm pretty sure you'd enjoy his videos too. Search him on Youtube, you'll see what I mean. Yes, I've seen a few of his videos; he's very good tbh.
creator: Spoony
date: 2008-12-11T20:04:41-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: That Pat guy is kind of a douche.
creator: Dover
date: 2008-12-11T21:53:18-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: Dover wrote on Thu, 11 December 2008 16:53 That Pat guy is kind of a douche. He's also a comedian, so some of his statements may indeed come off a bit douchey, but he definitely does a good job.
creator: u6795
date: 2008-12-11T21:54:40-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: Frontier Psychiatrist wrote on Thu, 11 December 2008 09:06 tl;dr;aftp I agreed.
creator: MGamer
date: 2008-12-11T22:29:32-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: Spoony wrote on Thu, 11 December 2008 08:42 Darkknight wrote No its a simple question. Doesn't need a full book of explanation. What will you do if your wrong and their is a God? I already answered that fully and clearly. I even went to the trouble of giving you a long version and a short version. But like I said, you never actually read what the person you're arguing with is saying, so I'll give it another go. Firstly, I never said "it is certain that there is no God". Scientifically, you cannot prove something does not exist. You just can't, like you can't prove the tooth fairy doesn't exist. What you can do is analyse how likely its existence is, based on how logical it is and how much evidence there is supporting it. In the case here, the question of does God exist, he scores no higher than the tooth fairy. Secondly, I specifically said that if God's existence was proven somehow, then I would accept the fact of his existence. I would, however, not worship him due to the fact I find many of the teachings related to Yahweh to be morally repugnant, as well as the fact that the Bible depicts him as a staggeringly evil monster. So, yes, you prove to me God exists and I'll admit he exists, but I won't worship him. If someone proved to you the devil exists, would you worship it? (If you already believe the devil exists, why don't you worship it?) Believing something's existence is not enough to worship it. I believe Hitler existed, but I would not worship him. Thirdly, your question seems to be about what happens when we die. If you're wrong, then presumably your life will be over in a conscious sense, and your body will eventually decompose, although I do not claim to know this as a fact; I can only guess, based on what we know about the human body. Well, if I'm wrong and there really is a God, a point needs to be made before we go any further. The point is this: if I'm wrong, it doesn't mean you're right. If I say 2+2=5 and you say 2+2=6, and I prove that 2+2 is not …
creator: DarkKnight
date: 2008-12-12T01:03:45-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: I have two things in response to what you just said. Eyes haven't evolved? You do realize that there is a series on History, Evolve, that even tackled "Eyes". http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4367940/%5BHST%5D_Evolve_-_Eyes.divx Also, even if there is something that created the universe (as I believe), that does not prove the existence of a god. It certainly doesn't prove the God of Islam, the Judeo-Christian God, or any other god created by man throughout history.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2008-12-12T01:12:25-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 11 December 2008 19:12 I have two things in response to what you just said. Eyes haven't evolved? You do realize that there is a series on History, Evolve, that even tackled "Eyes". http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4367940/%5BHST%5D_Evolve_-_Eyes.divx Also, even if there is something that created the universe (as I believe), that does not prove the existence of a god. It certainly doesn't prove the God of Islam, the Judeo-Christian God, or any other god created by man throughout history. The eyes comment was not mine it was from someone else. I believe i made that clear. As to rest the reason for the post is to discredit evolution and to say as you said, something created all this. Wasn't just an accident that spontaneously happened out of nothing.
creator: DarkKnight
date: 2008-12-12T01:17:20-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: That still doesn't discredit Evolution. Evolution admits that it can't go back before the bang. It just explains everything after the Big Bang.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2008-12-12T03:41:06-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: u6795 wrote on Thu, 11 December 2008 13:54 Dover wrote on Thu, 11 December 2008 16:53 That Pat guy is kind of a douche. He's also a comedian, so some of his statements may indeed come off a bit douchey, but he definitely does a good job. He's not very funny, either. I kind of agree with him, but the way he says things make me stop and think "Not cool, douche".
creator: Dover
date: 2008-12-12T04:42:30-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: why you guys keep wasting your time posting long text walls for something stupid like God
creator: MGamer
date: 2008-12-12T06:50:59-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: About the big bang: I personally believe that there wasnt any time before the big bang in which "nothing" could have existed. Think I got that from a Terry Pratchett book which was co-written with 2 scientists, so it might just be bullshit. it sounds nice though About the evolution: I suggest reading "the selfish gene" by richard dawkins. About;blank:
creator: Herr Surth
date: 2008-12-12T13:34:32-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: Darkknight wrote on Thu, 11 December 2008 19:03 Very well said... And I respect you for no name calling or flame bating as so many do when this subject comes up. I read everything you said word for word and I understand your points clearly. That's odd, because pretty much everything I said in this post has already been said in the previous post in the other thread; the one where you made some incoherent bleating about me not answering the question. Darkknight wrote on Thu, 11 December 2008 19:03 Yes I have read the bible several times and still study it. I believe the bible is the word of God so whats in the bible is the truth to me. You see God no different then the tooth fairy so anything associated with God like the bible is just another story book. So i won't even use the bible as proof because it means nothing to you. Its just a book. The last two sentences are contradictory. It doesn't mean nothing to me. It means what it is; it's a book. When you use a book as evidence you've got to ask certain questions. Who wrote it? When? Why? How did they know what to write? How much of it did they see for themselves, and is it possible they were mistaken? How much of it did they hear from other people, and if so how reliable were those people? When they wrote what they wrote, how much of it was literal reporting and how much was metaphor? Finally, what were the odds that the writers - or the people the writers used as source - were crazy, or lying for some purpose, or honestly mistaken? When a book about science is written, other scientists are always waiting to check its facts. If you can't answer these questions, it is a bit silly to claim the Bible is all true and inerrant. There is also the (not minor) point that the Bible contradicts itself again and again, starting right from Genesis. The New Testament is no better; the gospels manage to contradict each other about every single major event in Jesus' life; the birth, the genealogy of Jesus, the sermon on the mount, …
creator: Spoony
date: 2008-12-12T14:40:28-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: ^^ Tru Dat
creator: appshot
date: 2008-12-13T01:30:26-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: /threa
creator: Ma1kel
date: 2008-12-14T21:56:00-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: watch zeitgeist http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
creator: Jamie or NuneGa
date: 2008-12-18T13:31:40-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: I'll bet that's one hell of a timeshare.
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2008-12-26T21:58:01-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: He says he went to hell after plane crash: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGpxfoF3SYg&feature=related what ya'll think?
creator: pawky
date: 2008-12-27T12:18:01-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: Nune wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 08:31 watch zeitgeist http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ Very, very good movie. Some parts are kind of fucking strange but makes a lot of good points.
creator: u6795
date: 2008-12-27T21:19:37-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: it makes almost no good points :/
creator: Herr Surth
date: 2008-12-27T23:06:15-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: Frontier Psychiatrist wrote on Sat, 27 December 2008 18:06 it makes almost no good points :/ Jesus is an unoriginal idea 9/11 was mysterious Good enough for me, even if I'm easily entertained.
creator: u6795
date: 2008-12-27T23:27:32-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: ...idiots
creator: Ma1kel
date: 2008-12-28T21:11:01-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: re: zeitgeist. I'm quite happy to accept that a man called Jesus existed round about the alleged time and place (not that we have much to go on)... but the key word there is "man". A decent chap, sure... a great moral teacher (for the time, at least...) and philosopher, okay... but to say he was a supernatural, divine being is an extraordinary claim, with nothing to support it. the business about the same attributes of previous messiahs is dead simple; relates to the emperor Constantine. he basically fused the existing pagan traditions with some of the alleged accounts of Jesus' life. that's why a lot of things relating to Jesus are astrological, have to do with the sun and stars' movements, etc. I want to mention C.S.Lewis at this point. I've already gone over the fact I find a lot of Christianity's teachings to be morally repellent, such as the whole vicarious atonement business. Lewis was very dismissive of those who said that Jesus was a great moral teacher, but not actually anything more than a man - he pointed out that if Jesus was only a man, the whole business of redemption and so on is nonsense and therefore that proves he was the son of God. the obvious argument against this is that Jesus may have been insane, or lying. what I think is more likely (though I don't hear it said...) is that Jesus never said any of that stuff anyway, and it was all added later, rather opportunistically, for the purposes of securing temporal power.
creator: Spoony
date: 2008-12-28T23:29:31-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: Well, there might aswell be ONE message posted here on the first day of '09 before it ends.
creator: cnc95fan
date: 2009-01-01T22:38:38-00:00

Re: Darkknight's other thread: "does God exist?"
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description: No, this is the last message of the first day of 09.
creator: Muad Dib15
date: 2009-01-02T01:08:02-00:00