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My name, "Jacob", has been the most popular boy's name in America since 1999, where it ousted "Michael". What kind of just, loving, merciful God would put anyone through such agony? It's just not right. A name should not have such popularity. Are Americans this stupid and incapable of naming their kids? Now, I'm not for naming my kids "Apple" and other random, stupid names, but there have to be good names that aren't so god damned generic. http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/
Legally change your name to "PLECOS".
Canadacdn wrote on Tue, 09 December 2008 21:45 Legally change your name to "PLECOS".
I fail to see how this involves God...
Nigga Bob went to a bike store once. Not telling what happened out there.
CarrierII wrote on Wed, 10 December 2008 05:53 I fail to see how this involves God... A merciful God wouldn't let this happen.
Then this is not really an argument against Yahweh, is it?
Spoony wrote on Wed, 10 December 2008 09:38 Then this is not really an argument against Yahweh, is it? It's more satirical than anything. I wouldn't consider this a SERIOUS argument, but noticing the stupidity of people and the inability to be creative does help me figure there's even less of a chance that the Biblical God could be real.
I saw an article where a radio station offered a $100 gas card for whoever offers the most unique trade. Somebody won with offering the station the rights to name their new baby. Now THAT'S retarded. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,381262,00.html
Source Quote: The meaning of the name Jacob is Supplanter The origin of the name Jacob is Hebrew Alternate spellings: Jakob Source Quote: The meaning of the name Michael is Who Is Like God? The origin of the name Michael is Hebrew Notes: In the Bible, Michael was an archangel. Michael Jordan, athlete. Michael Douglas, actor. Michael J. Fox, actor. ...lol If you ever need a name looked up, go to that site. EDIT: CarrierII wrote on Wed, 10 December 2008 03:53 I fail to see how this involves God... Agreed.
Lol, so the name "Jacob" basically means to be an impostor?
Nope, it means I take the place of another. Not pretending to be someone else.
I've always wanted to know: does the name Leo have any significance/mean anything? Yeah, that's my name.
Is it "Leo", "Leonard", or "Leonardo"? Leo means "lion". Leonard means "brave as a lion". Leonardo means "brave lion".
Just Leo. That's right.. I knew it had something to do with Lions as the leo the lion thing, etc. Didn't think it actually meant that, cool.
Lol, my name means "Brave ruler."
R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 10 December 2008 14:37 Lol, my name means "Brave ruler." mine means "God is with us" TD wrote on Wed, 10 December 2008 05:49 Nigga Bob went to a bike store once. Not telling what happened out there. Quote: Harassment/Racism/Flaming: Harassment of other members, racism, or any hate speech in general will not be tolerated. Moderators will be the judge of what is intolerable, and what is not. Also, please refrain from flaming other members. If you really must, keep it inside of the Hot Issues forum.
The meaning of the name Andrew is Manly The origin of the name Andrew is Greek Notes: Andrew was the first apostle of Christ. Andrew Wyeth, artist. Andrew Jackson, 7th president of the U.S. Andrew Johnson 17th president of the U.S.
My name means "Descendent." ;(
Canadacdn wrote on Wed, 10 December 2008 00:45 Legally change your name to "PLECOS". I approve of this message! I love the chart explanation from the web site Mr.Soda posted "Note: Rank 1 is the most popular, rank 2 is the next most popular, and so forth." Well no fucking shit!
Mine, Timothy, means "to honor God," its Greek of course "Timotheos." If I ever get into political power it will be become a "Timocracy."
Mine means: "God Has Remembered" :\ lol
From what I understand, 'Nikki' means 'conceived in a stadium parking lot where Twisted Sister was headlining.
Daniel- "God is my judge" Joshua- "the Lord is salvation" The irony is hardly lost on someone who doesn't believe in Yaweh.
proof gods dont exist
people who believe in god are retarded. simple and easy scared cats who are too afraid to live on their owns. People who are scared to listen to theirself and die. People who are just fckd up. i hate god, i hate allah <- this fuckup is the worst. i hate the whole fucking bs about god and allah nor that asshat jezus.
renalpha wrote on Sun, 14 December 2008 14:32 people who believe in god are retarded. simple and easy scared cats who are too afraid to live on their owns. People who are scared to listen to theirself and die. People who are just fckd up. i hate god, i hate allah <- this fuckup is the worst. i hate the whole fucking bs about god and allah nor that asshat jezus. Agreed
renalpha wrote on Sun, 14 December 2008 16:32 people who believe in god are retarded. simple and easy scared cats who are too afraid to live on their owns. People who are scared to listen to theirself and die. People who are just fckd up. i hate god, i hate allah <- this fuckup is the worst. i hate the whole fucking bs about god and allah nor that asshat jezus. You should become a poet.
Ma1kel wrote on Sun, 14 December 2008 15:51 renalpha wrote on Sun, 14 December 2008 16:32 people who believe in god are retarded. simple and easy scared cats who are too afraid to live on their owns. People who are scared to listen to theirself and die. People who are just fckd up. i hate god, i hate allah <- this fuckup is the worst. i hate the whole fucking bs about god and allah nor that asshat jezus. You should become a poet. Agreed
renalpha wrote on Sun, 14 December 2008 15:32 people who believe in god are retarded. simple and easy scared cats who are too afraid to live on their owns. People who are scared to listen to theirself and die. People who are just fckd up. i hate god, i hate allah <- this fuckup is the worst. i hate the whole fucking bs about god and allah nor that asshat jezus. Ironic. I love your close-mindedness about those who believe in God, yet you mock the supposed close-mindedness of those others. Hypocrite. FYI, Not everyone who believes in God falls under your description. For example, I believe in God, but I'm not very (if at all) religious, I don't believe the bible in a literal way, nor do I believe in the traditional or biblical God (ala, the old man with the beard depicted). I don't preach about God either. Everyone has a set of morals that either includes God or doesn't, but not everyone who does falls under your close minded description. If you're out there living so free and open, you must have forgotten to have your mind in the same mode with you.
RoShamBo wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 14:21 The bible is proof enough.
Altzan wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 15:23 RoShamBo wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 14:21 The bible is proof enough. LOL
Mgamer and Altzan, stop fucking spamming.
Muad Dib15 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 15:39 Mgamer and Altzan, stop fucking spamming. i blame GOD
MGamer wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 15:43 Muad Dib15 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 15:39 Mgamer and Altzan, stop fucking spamming. i blame GOD You are a dumbass.
Chuck Norris wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 15:26 renalpha wrote on Sun, 14 December 2008 15:32 people who believe in god are retarded. simple and easy scared cats who are too afraid to live on their owns. People who are scared to listen to theirself and die. People who are just fckd up. i hate god, i hate allah <- this fuckup is the worst. i hate the whole fucking bs about god and allah nor that asshat jezus. Ironic. I love your close-mindedness about those who believe in God, yet you mock the supposed close-mindedness of those others. Hypocrite. FYI, Not everyone who believes in God falls under your description. For example, I believe in God, but I'm not very (if at all) religious, I don't believe the bible in a literal way, nor do I believe in the traditional or biblical God (ala, the old man with the beard depicted). I don't preach about God either. Everyone has a set of morals that either includes God or doesn't, but not everyone who does falls under your close minded description. If you're out there living so free and open, you must have forgotten to have your mind in the same mode with you. Why do you believe in some non existing i watch all over you figure? This so called "god" will torture the shit out of you if you do something bad... Im not being hypocrite, just realistic because someone who wrote a whole fkn book about this spooky dude, was just some bored lunatic, ppl like to read back in those days, (if they were able to read back in those days). Cant you see? WAR is mostly all about this shitty religion story. I can recommend you a few good books though, i really liked "meester jaap" i believed it was a good man . Still though, believe in something u like, i keep it real and realistic. "Believe" is just something stupith. You think you are stronger because u think if u die u end up in heaven. Guess what?! THERE IS NO HEAVEN! If u die, you die. Nothing to special about it. However, if you want to end up, like every lunatic praying everything comes fine, ill end up by my daddy or mommy. Then you are simply not strong enough, to handle the world. By then i hope you dont mess up with your kids minds about, god is because you are here, or god made me have food on the table. You did it all yourself, and still. UNBELIEVEABLE!!! People like you really think that kind of bullshit. God gave me this food. WRONG! You did it yourself, because you work hard on it. Dont make the world look better because this guy called "god" is watching over you, because he doesnt. If you are poor and you pray for food you wont get it. You have to work, you always did. And you will always do, because if you dont, you end up dead, unmissed and alone, you and with your stupith bible story, which brainwashed almost every stupith random moreone lunatic in the whole world. KTHXBYGOAWAYFKNGODBELIEVER
about the "there is no afterlife" business... well, we really don't know. We can be just as certain that the humans who wrote the Bible didn't know, either, especially considering how little we knew (about anything) at the time.
Except with the power of SCIENCE we know alot about biology and astronomy to know how the universe and human body works.
My name means...."PLECOS" o.O !
renalpha wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 03:11 Chuck Norris wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 15:26 renalpha wrote on Sun, 14 December 2008 15:32 people who believe in god are retarded. simple and easy scared cats who are too afraid to live on their owns. People who are scared to listen to theirself and die. People who are just fckd up. i hate god, i hate allah <- this fuckup is the worst. i hate the whole fucking bs about god and allah nor that asshat jezus. Ironic. I love your close-mindedness about those who believe in God, yet you mock the supposed close-mindedness of those others. Hypocrite. FYI, Not everyone who believes in God falls under your description. For example, I believe in God, but I'm not very (if at all) religious, I don't believe the bible in a literal way, nor do I believe in the traditional or biblical God (ala, the old man with the beard depicted). I don't preach about God either. Everyone has a set of morals that either includes God or doesn't, but not everyone who does falls under your close minded description. If you're out there living so free and open, you must have forgotten to have your mind in the same mode with you. Why do you believe in some non existing i watch all over you figure? This so called "god" will torture the shit out of you if you do something bad... Im not being hypocrite, just realistic because someone who wrote a whole fkn book about this spooky dude, was just some bored lunatic, ppl like to read back in those days, (if they were able to read back in those days). Cant you see? WAR is mostly all about this shitty religion story. I can recommend you a few good books though, i really liked "meester jaap" i believed it was a good man . Still though, believe in something u like, i keep it real and realistic. "Believe" is just something stupith. You think you are stronger because u think if u die u end up in heaven. Guess what?! THERE IS NO HEAVEN! If u die, you die. Nothing to special about it. However, if you want to end up, like every lunatic praying everything comes fine, ill end up by my daddy or mommy. Then you are simply not strong enough, to handle the world. By then i hope you dont mess up with your kids minds about, god is because you are here, or god made me have food on the table. You did it all yourself, and still. UNBELIEVEABLE!!! People like you really think that kind of bullshit. God gave me this food. WRONG! You did it yourself, because you work hard on it. Dont make the world look better because this guy called "god" is watching over you, because he doesnt. If you are poor and you pray for food you wont get it. You have to work, you always did. And you will always do, because if you dont, you end up dead, unmissed and alone, you and with your stupith bible story, which brainwashed almost every stupith random moreone lunatic in the whole world. KTHXBYGOAWAYFKNGODBELIEVER Heretic x 2
You Atheist think my God owes everyone everything. Why does everyone think God owes us? God doesn't owe us anything, he already gave us his life. What are you guys afraid of? All these forums saying "god doesn't exist". What are you trying to prove? There's absolutely no point to it.
ryan393 wrote on Mon, 02 February 2009 21:27 You Atheist think my God owes everyone everything. Why does everyone think God owes us? God doesn't owe us anything, he already gave us his life. What are you guys afraid of? All these forums saying "god doesn't exist". What are you trying to prove? There's absolutely no point to it. Well, by saying "God doesn't exist!" I'd venture to say atheists are trying to prove that God doesn't exist. Y'know. To Christians and the like.
ryan393 wrote on Mon, 02 February 2009 20:27 You Atheist think my God owes everyone everything. Why does everyone think God owes us? Uh no, your average atheist isn't convinced there is a god at all. ryan393 wrote on Mon, 02 February 2009 20:27 God doesn't owe us anything, he already gave us his life. How do you know? ryan393 wrote on Mon, 02 February 2009 20:27 What are you guys afraid of? All these forums saying "god doesn't exist". What are you trying to prove? There's absolutely no point to it. Hey, we aren't the ones misleading impressionable children... as for "what are you afraid of?"... well, it'd be nice if, for the first time in recorded history, religion would keep itself to itself instead of imposing itself on non-believers and indoctrinating children. When that happens, you will see a massive decline in atheists criticising religion, because we won't care anymore. Think of god like the tooth fairy (the credibility of either's existence is approximately the same, in my opinion). If you happened to believe in the tooth fairy and had the common decency to leave other people alone, you go ahead and believe in the tooth fairy for all I care. If instead you think non-believers ought to follow your tooth fairy rules, claim public money and tax subsidies etc, as is the case with religion, I'm gonna point out how ridiculous your beliefs are.
perhaps it is god, who should come down here, and beg for OUR forgiveness!
Quote: perhaps it is god, who should come down here, and beg for OUR forgiveness! you fail to understand
A poke of thought for people who haven't actually done any research: The entire book of Exodus is scientifically proven, with respect to the physical things science can prove.
That proves what? The Bible is historically accurate. Okay, but that does nothing to prove God's existence. It just proves that the stories in the Bible have historical truths to them. Just because a history book might be true doesn't mean that I'm going to believe some off-the-cuff claim.
I don't believe any single person can come to make a person believe in God. What I do believe, is that people can help you in your research, and help you come to understand what physical information we do have, what truths we do have, and the rest is your own doing. Each individual person reacts to information differently, for you Jake, as intelligent as you seem, I hope you have been, or are doing research on the subject outside of public forums and on your own. A public forum is not the place to do research, nor should your research be based upon peoples own beliefs or opinions. Ultimately, its up to you to decide what you believe. If you really want an answer, then you need to go out there and find it! If you do seek to learn about God, and those who believe in God and why, speak with these types of people. I always encourage people who are looking for an answer to speak with both sides! I personally believe in God strongly, and I have my own reasons, and my own personal experiences to back what I believe. Would you believe what I believe? Probably not, because your experiences are not my experiences! Ask atheists what they believe and why. Ask agnostics what they believe and why. Ask strong believers in God what they believe in why. Do your own research, and make your own journey. And remember! Influence yourself, and don't be influenced by others. Its your journey alone, and no one should criticize you because your looking for an answer, and trying to search yourself, and find what you believe, and why you believe it.
I was a Christian, and through contemplation and realization, I have decided that religious faiths are nothing but crocks of shit. A lot of it has to do with traditions. A lot of it has to do with answering questions that sciences of the times couldn't answer. A lot if it has to do with ways to promote their culture's growth by strict regulations. I've also come to the conclusion that there's no way any one faith could get a supreme being's character correct. It just seems impossible, even if you try to claim that the Bible was inspired, ignoring the fact that several books never made it into the Bible. Besides, the God of Judaism and Christianity is one hateful son of a bitch. Sure, the whole Bible tries to paint him as just and loving, but if you get on his bad side, you're screwed. Not in the "you're going to Hell for denying me" screwed, but "muahahahahahaha, buuuuuuuuuuuurn heathen buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn" screwed.
'Religions', or 'religious faiths' are flawed. You are a servant of God, or you are not a servant of God. There is no in between, right or left. No one person can get God's character correct, this is absolutely true. We don't know God, and even those who 'do', don't. The Bible shows God as both furious and destructive, loving and caring. He is absolutely not only loving and caring, but he definitely does not hate either. He wiped out entire civilizations, he spread plagues and disease, made peoples lives miserable, and much much worse. And as you said, you get on his bad side, and yes, you may be screwed. It all depends. I cannot elaborate further on this specific issue, because I simply do not carry the authority to make assumptions or spread false knowledge. Now why would anyone believe, or worship a God that is so mean? A lot wouldn't, and don't. If you put it into the perspective of, "Why would you loan someone a hundred dollars if they treat you horribly?" it becomes quite clear. A lot of people in the Bible detested God, violated his name. A lot of people who don't believe in God are not necessarily doing anything against God by not believing. But there are those who are, and that is definitely not good. I myself have had quite a miserable life thus far. A lot of good, and a lot of bad. Its neither been more one than the other, but because of what I believe and through my own experiences, the bad is quite alright too. If you don't believe in God, that absolutely does not mean your life will be bad. As a matter of fact, a lot people who don't believe in God have quite enjoyable lives. The only thing I can say is one must do the research on their own, and come to their own conclusions, but truly must seek the truth itself. This is a bit of an ambiguous statement, but it will speak for itself over time.
ryan393 wrote on Tue, 03 February 2009 16:05 Quote: perhaps it is god, who should come down here, and beg for OUR forgiveness! you fail to understand no, you fail to understand.
Ma1kel wrote on Wed, 04 February 2009 11:53 No, you fail to understand. yes
DeadX07 wrote on Tue, 03 February 2009 20:25 A poke of thought for people who haven't actually done any research: The entire book of Exodus is scientifically proven, with respect to the physical things science can prove. Funny you say that, cos the Israeli archeologists tasked to prove the whole flight-from-Egypt business had to eventually admit that the whole thing was almost certainly made up. Still, I can't wait to hear this; please do demonstrate how the entire book of Exodus (i.e. one small part of the Bible, but let's overlook that for a moment) "is scientifically proven". The existence of its most important characters Yahweh and Moses, for example... because if there has ever been any evidence for Yahweh's existence, it's obviously been hushed up so well it would probably make a convincing X-Files episode, and as for Moses, the Bible itself says nobody knows where his tomb is (which makes you wonder how anyone knows all about his last words)
Frontier Psychiatrist wrote on Tue, 03 February 2009 08:49 perhaps it is god, who should come down here, and beg for OUR forgiveness! I said something similar a few threads ago; if Jesus is God (for all the sense that makes), then perhaps the crucifixion was a punishment for everything God allegedly did, albeit a disproportionately lenient punishment.
You may think you understand, but I must admit that I am 16 and I don't understand God completely, as I'm sure you don't understand evolution completely.
I can't demonstrate how the entire book of Exodus was proven through scientific means. If you want to know why I mentioned that, then pull up the documentary on it that was broad casted on the History Channel. Then, do more research on the matter yourself. As for not knowing where moses "tomb" is, you need to be careful. The Bible does not state that Moses had a tomb. You are correct that it says nobody knows where he was buried. You also have to take into consideration that the Bible was written thousands of years ago, and that does not mean that we cannot find things that were lost back then. You also have to take the words in the Bible with an open mind: Back then they did not know how to describe many things. Try describing a silicon microchip to a four year old in a way that they would understand.. The description would probably not be that of an actual microchip, with respect you might describe its shape, color, or other things similar. We do not understand everything, and what we do, we must consider that we really don't. Though Spoony, I'm not going to discuss this with you. In every argument I have ever seen you partake in on these forums, it is very clear that you do not enter discussions to discuss issues, rather to oppress and force upon others what you believe. You must open your mind and take in both sides, do the research, and seek the truth yourself. It is very good to ponder your own assumptions, but spreading assumptions as truth because it is what you strongly believe, is not the right way to go about it. Do the research, and start your own journey to seek the truth. And in particular Renegade Forums is not the best place to start. I wish you the best of luck to you if you decide to seek truthful knowledge, and not assumptions and personal belief-based ideas and opinions.
DeadX07 wrote on Thu, 05 February 2009 00:05 Though Spoony, I'm not going to discuss this with you. In every argument I have ever seen you partake in on these forums, it is very clear that you do not enter discussions to discuss issues, rather to oppress and force upon others what you believe. You must open your mind and take in both sides, do the research, and seek the truth yourself. Although Spoony is a twat, yes. I have found that Christians (in particular) seem to force their own religion on us. Yes, this is stereotypical, not all of you do it. I don't take to the streets with a megaphone and attempt to convince people that we all evolved from apes, can you ever say you have seen that? DeadX07 I have seen most religions for what they are and I will keep a closed mind.
A lot of people in 'Religions' do try to force their beliefs on people. That is very wrong. You absolutely cannot force someone to believe something, just because you believe it is right. One must come forth themselves, out of their own free will and self-belief. I myself do not belong to any religion, I'm merely a servant of God, not the left, or the right. I don't say keep an open mind about religion though, only about the truth itself, which one must seek on their own.
DeadX07 wrote on Wed, 04 February 2009 18:05 I can't demonstrate how the entire book of Exodus was proven through scientific means. How unexpected. DeadX07 wrote on Wed, 04 February 2009 18:05 If you want to know why I mentioned that, then pull up the documentary on it that was broad casted on the History Channel. You pull it up. DeadX07 wrote on Wed, 04 February 2009 18:05 As for not knowing where moses "tomb" is, you need to be careful. The Bible does not state that Moses had a tomb. You are correct that it says nobody knows where he was buried. Yes, and isn't that rather odd? We have speeches of his last words, and we have the assertion that he was buried. So who buried him, and how do we know his last words? DeadX07 wrote on Wed, 04 February 2009 18:05 You also have to take into consideration that the Bible was written thousands of years ago I've never failed to take that into consideration; it's always worth the reminder every time someone refers you to its pronouncements on morality and science (i.e. all the time). It's always worth reminding yourself that it was written at a time when we knew very little at all about the world, the universe, and ourselves. DeadX07 wrote on Wed, 04 February 2009 18:05 You also have to take the words in the Bible with an open mind Yes, that's precisely why I question them. DeadX07 wrote on Wed, 04 February 2009 18:05 We do not understand everything, and what we do, we must consider that we really don't. Yes, that's precisely why I question it. Science is how we understand things we don't understand yet. Religion isn't; it just tries to fill in any gaps in our understanding by saying "God did it, case closed" DeadX07 wrote on Wed, 04 February 2009 18:05 Though Spoony, I'm not going to discuss this with you. It's surprising how many people say this, usually in the same post as when they attempt to. DeadX07 wrote on Wed, 04 February 2009 18:05 In every argument I have ever seen you partake in on these forums, it is very clear that you do not enter discussions to discuss issues, rather to oppress and force upon others what you believe. You must open your mind and take in both sides, do the research, and seek the truth yourself. Rhetoric. There's no sense here. Why do you say I'm not "discussing issues" when that is clearly exactly what I am doing? What "oppression" is going on? What am I "forcing upon others"? How is my mind not "open" and "not taking in both sides" when almost every post of mine is a direct quote of people I'm debating against, and a rebuttal against everything they say? There you are, see if you can "start your own journey to the truth" by answering those questions. Unless, of course, you're "not going to discuss this with me". DeadX07 wrote on Wed, 04 February 2009 18:05 It is very good to ponder your own assumptions, but spreading assumptions as truth because it is what you strongly believe, is not the right way to go about it. Yes, that's why I argue against that sort of thing, since religion does it all the time. I'm not exactly sure why you're aiming the condemnation in my direction... DeadX07 wrote on Wed, 04 February 2009 18:05 Do the research, and start your own journey to seek the truth. I wish you the best of luck to you if you decide to seek truthful knowledge, and not assumptions and personal belief-based ideas and opinions. Which "truth", hmmm? And what's wrong with assumptions and personal beliefs? What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, and I don't even need that loophole.
Religious Debate Thread Phrase Translations, Part 42: "Open your mind" = Agree with me, you ignorant fuck. "Seek the truth" = Agree with me, you ignorant fuck. "You don't have to agree" = Agree with me, you ignorant fuck. "Some things are unknowable" = Learning stuff is hard, so I don't wanna. "It's been proven" = I can't prove that I have proof, but I'll say I do anyway so you'll agree with me, you ignorant fuck. "You only care because..." = I can't go head-to-head with your logic, so I'll call you a hypocrite instead!
"It's a matter of faith, not proof": If I had proof I would spread it far and wide, but I don't, so I will say proof is not applicable in this case, although it is mandatory in your case "You should respect my beliefs": Stop complaining about the fact we are imposing our beliefs upon you "It's not meant to be taken literally": We used to take it literally, but then we realised how barbaric it was so some of us (that is to say we humans, not the god) decided it's a metaphor "God works in mysterious ways": Yes, I suppose it does defy evidence/reason/morality "Atheism/secularism/evolution is a religion too": I'm a dumbass
Yep, just living life knowing there's nothing left after death is a healthy way to live. And referring to the first post, how the hell do names have to do with religion?
I've never quite understood what belief in God has to do with belief in life after death. Care to explain that? Considering that I don't believe in God, yet I do believe in an afterlife, that seems somewhat inconsistent with reality from my perspective. *edit* Quote: how the hell do names have to do with religion? Many names have religious significance in their meaning- we look at names today as simple identifiers, but once upon a time names were meant to describe a person as well as identify them. A person might have been named "Michael" (meaning "who is like God") would be assumed to be a person of great faith, someone close to God. Even most of those names which today do not have a direct translation are in fact derived from earlier words and phrases that were corrupted and changed over time by mistranslation/mispronunciation. For example, "Tsar" and "Kaiser," the titles of the Russian and German rulers in the early 1900s, were both derived from "Caesar"- which was the name of Rome's first emperor and thereafter the title of every Roman emperor following, passed on to other cultures trough Rome's tremendous influence on the Western world. Another great example is "Jesus"- which is actually a mispronunciation of a mistranslation of the Aramaic form of what is today the name "Joshua." So, actually, names have quite a bit to do with religion. Along with quite a lot of other significant things throughout recorded history.
kikiller And referring to the first post, how the hell do names have to do with religion? Nevermind, the intention of my post clearly went over your head. It's not (nor are you) important enough to explain.
kikiller wrote on Sun, 08 February 2009 00:03 Yep, just living life knowing there's nothing left after death is a healthy way to live. Well, I don't "know" there's nothing left after death, anymore than I "know" that gods were invented by humans. It looks very, very likely, though, but I am quite willing to look at the evidence pointing the other way, just as soon as somebody finally comes up with some. As for "healthy way to live", it absolutely is; this is the only life of whose existence we know for certain, which makes it all the more precious. NukeIt15 wrote For example, "Tsar" and "Kaiser," the titles of the Russian and German rulers in the early 1900s, were both derived from "Caesar"- which was the name of Rome's first emperor and thereafter the title of every Roman emperor following, passed on to other cultures trough Rome's tremendous influence on the Western world. Since you mention the Tsar and the Kaiser, did you happen to read the last religious debate I found myself participating in...?
the fact deadx would be completely unable to answer some pretty straightforward questions is not at all surprising.
Spoony wrote on Wed, 04 February 2009 19:32 DeadX07 wrote on Tue, 03 February 2009 20:25 A poke of thought for people who haven't actually done any research: The entire book of Exodus is scientifically proven, with respect to the physical things science can prove. Funny you say that, cos the Israeli archeologists tasked to prove the whole flight-from-Egypt business had to eventually admit that the whole thing was almost certainly made up. There are no records of the jews ever been enslaved by the egyptians, and the egyptians surely would of documented the enslavement of a whole people.
Nor did they domesticate camels in the day of Abraham. Making the Abraham story nothing but made up.
BlueThen wrote on Thu, 11 December 2008 01:38 My name means "Descendent." ;( i thought it is "ejaculation".
when i was little i asked god for da new jordanz and i didnt get em i only got SHAQS for kobe bryant's sake
Scientific, logical, and moral proof is not a good way to argue a religion. Note my sarcasm in using the word argue
I got proof for all of you guys. The following: " America " " people" " war " " virgains " " money "
renalpha wrote on Tue, 14 April 2009 13:42 I got proof for all of you guys. The following: " America " " people" " war " " virgains " " money " He's right. The existence of Virgins and America is irrefutable proof that there is a God, and he is gracious to humankind.
I heard God made Dutch people at 1st april.
i saw a movie with sum dood who said, "if us humans can say that God exists then he must", gentile Hollywood or BS...U decide!
Quackpunk wrote on Tue, 14 April 2009 00:53 Scientific, logical, and moral proof is not a good way to argue a religion. Indeed, in much the same way that holy water is not a good way to wash a vampire. At least, from the vampire's point of view.
u6795 wrote on Tue, 14 April 2009 12:59 renalpha wrote on Tue, 14 April 2009 13:42 I got proof for all of you guys. The following: " America " " people" " war " " virgains " " money " He's right. The existence of Virgins and America is irrefutable proof that there is a God, and he is gracious to humankind. Some of the many reasons i believe in GOD
Christ could return tomorrow and take all the Christian souls both living and dead and perform countless miracles. And you would still have the same people on this thread going "its all a trick, there has to be some scientific explanation for it all"
Darkknight wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 05:00 Christ could return tomorrow and take all the Christian souls both living and dead and perform countless miracles. And you would still have the same people on this thread going "its all a trick, there has to be some scientific explanation for it all" Maybe he'll be some guy from New York, claiming to have found some secret gospels of the bible written on some golden plates only he can read, saying Utah is the promised land and the Jesus lives in a town in Alabama. You religfags have nobody to blame but yourselves for the skepticism you're dealing with. Claims like yours have been abused for thousands of years, with no sign of letting up. Just look at Scientology for fucks sake. And before you make some claim like "They're wrong, but I'm not with them! I'm right!", the "they" would say the same. It's all a tangled mess of blind faith and butthurt. Logic, on the other hand, never leads you astray, and never lies.
Darkknight wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 07:00 Christ could return tomorrow and take all the Christian souls both living and dead and perform countless miracles. And you would still have the same people on this thread going "its all a trick, there has to be some scientific explanation for it all" Please answer these questions one by one. 1. The Emperor Hirohito claimed to be the physical incarnation of a god. Do you believe this claim? 2. The Russian Tsars and the German Kaiser claimed to be officially appointed by the Christian god. Do you believe this claim? 3. The Prophet Mohammed claimed to be inspired and instructed by the same god who gave us Christianity (and Judaism). Do you believe this claim? 4. Same as 3, but replace Islam with Mormonism. 5. Kim Jong-Il and Kim Il-Sung claimed to be two incarnations of the same divine being, descended from heaven. One of them is dead but still officially rules over the people. Do you believe these claims? This is just off the top of my head, I could go on. Either religious assertions have to be proven or they don't. If they have to prove their religious assertions, so do you. If you don't have to prove your religious assertions, neither do they. You are then left with the presumably uncomfortable knowledge that this god of yours is responsible for World War One (since the rulers of both sides started it), took Hitler's side in World War Two, gave us Islam and the incalculable destruction and oppression that's caused, etc etc etc.
i have no desire to do a question and answer about my faith. It is MY faith and My belief. I'm not here to debate that. Good day.
Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 01:11 i have no desire to do a question and answer about my faith. It is MY faith and My belief. I'm not here to debate that. Good day. "You can't make me answer you. Haha, you suck." What a cop-out. At least give a real answer like, "debating my faith isn't going to change your or my opinion, and I have no desire to fuel an argument that will get neither of us anywhere."
cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 00:31 Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 01:11 i have no desire to do a question and answer about my faith. It is MY faith and My belief. I'm not here to debate that. Good day. "You can't make me answer you. Haha, you suck." What a cop-out. At least give a real answer like, "debating my faith isn't going to change your or my opinion, and I have no desire to fuel an argument that will get neither of us anywhere." umm no the reason for my response was that I was making a statement that those who do not believe here wouldn't believe even if Christ was standing in front of them without scientific proof. It was not an invite to discuss why I'm a Christian.
Darkknight wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 23:00 cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 00:31 Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 01:11 i have no desire to do a question and answer about my faith. It is MY faith and My belief. I'm not here to debate that. Good day. "You can't make me answer you. Haha, you suck." What a cop-out. At least give a real answer like, "debating my faith isn't going to change your or my opinion, and I have no desire to fuel an argument that will get neither of us anywhere." umm no the reason for my response was that I was making a statement that those who do not believe here wouldn't believe even if Christ was standing in front of them without scientific proof. It was not an invite to discuss why I'm a Christian. Your statement loses credibility if you bitch out when it's turned against you. Who are you to make hypothetical accusations when you're trying to put yourself above scruitiny? What if Spoony said something to the effect of "Even if you were presented with irrefutatable proof there is no God, people like Darkknight would cling to their silly superstitions."?
I just love these topics. No one ever wins but yet both sides think they have all the answers and the other side is all wrong. My statement was a simple one. It wasn't to debate the existence of God. All I was saying is even if God showed up on earth and performed countless miracles you would still have people thinking some how its all a trick. That's it simple statement. I wasn't disputing anyone claiming to be God or a profit. I wasn't saying their couldn't be some nut job who thinks he's God or Christ. I was talking about if the God, the one that us believers believe in were to appear on this planet you would still have people in disbelief.
Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 02:48 I just love these topics. No one ever wins but yet both sides think they have all the answers and the other side is all wrong. No one ever wins? You either don't pay much attention or you can't admit defeat in an argument. Are you forgetting what happened last time? First you rattled off some "arguments" against evolution. I don't claim to be a scientist, but it was remarkably easy to demonstrate that every single thing you said, without exception, was absolutely dead wrong. No one ever wins? Well, certainly one person lost. Your next argument was the only one I've seen you offer in favour of Christianity - anyone want to guess what it was? That's right... a threat to me (albeit a fairly veiled one) of the punishment for disobedience. Of course, this is actually an argument against Christianity, not for it; it shows not only that your religion is not capable of actually teaching you right from wrong, but also how feeble the belief is that it needs to be backed up by threats of horrific punishment (even worse than under, say, Stalin's Russia - he would certainly have you killed for disagreeing with him, but once you were dead he was more or less finished with you). I replied pointing out the sheer evil of your statement, and laying out exactly why I am not a Christian and why your pathetic threats of punishment are not enough to make me subscribe to a belief system I see is immoral. The first time I answered the question, you made the bizarre response that I hadn't answered it. "no just answer the question!" This puzzled me no end, so I thought the only real solution was simply to repeat my post a second time. Then you actually had the decency to read it and conceded that you respected what I said. No one ever wins? No one ever wins but yet both sides think they have all the answers and the other side is all wrong. So in a nutshell... "No one ever wins" - well, if one side is capable of losing, like you've done each time so far, are you sure no one wins? "Both sides think they have all the answers" - in my case, absolutely not. That's why I like science, which is simply the name for our continued process of understanding the world, the universe, and ourselves. Religion tries to do that too, it's just really really crap at it. You are basically admitting that you DO think you have all the answers, although it doesn't really square with your track record. But then, I suppose someone who answered every question wrong in a test can still technically claim to've answered every question. "and the other side is all wrong" - in your case, certainly, but only after carefully pointing out why. Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 02:48 My statement was a simple one. It wasn't to debate the existence of God. Of course it wasn't. Like I said above, you've already tried selling Christianity to me. If you had anything good to say about it, you would've done so. You didn't, hence your sales pitch being a threat of punishment for disobedience. Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 02:48 I wasn't disputing anyone claiming to be God or a profit. I wasn't saying their couldn't be some nut job who thinks he's God or Christ. These two sentences do contradict each other somewhat. But, you aren't disputing the claim of, say, the Russian Tsars and the German Kaiser, both of whom claimed to be officially appointed by the Christian God. Between us they gave us World War One, a war which was not only destructive beyond anything previously seen, but was astonishingly pointless and un-necessary. If you are not disputing their claims to divine authority, you are passively conceding that Christianity shoulders responsibility. Nor do you dispute the claim of the prophet Mohammed or of Joseph Smith (founder of LDS/Mormonism), both of whom claimed to be receiving revelations from the god you believe in. They were both more recent than the ones supposedly offered by Christ, therefore they supercede the earlier revelation (Christianity) in the same way that Christianity supercedes the yet earlier revelation (Judaism). So, by simply not being a Muslim or a Mormon, you actually ARE disputing their claims. All these four revelations purport to come from the same god. In chronological order: Judaism > Christianity > Islam > Latter Day Saints. By not subscribing to the two more recent updates from the Christian God, you are passively disputing the two claims. Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 02:48 All I was saying is even if God showed up on earth and performed countless miracles you would still have people thinking some how its all a trick. I was talking about if the God, the one that us believers believe in were to appear on this planet you would still have people in disbelief. Well, even when you find out that every single thing you think you know about evolution is absolutely dead wrong, you don't retract your statements or admit you were incorrect. So, why not assume there are more people like yourself in the world? You do realise that there is a straightforward reason why so many people doubt the existence of your god? Your statement implies that everyone just desperately wants not to believe what's right in front of them. The real reason is that there has never been any proof, nor any particularly convincing logical arguments, for this god's existence.
wow dude get a life. So my one post brings out everything I've ever said. Sounds like my ex-wife. Get it all out you will feel much better. Now that you've said all that and yes I did read it. I'm still a believer and your not. And I bet all the Christians who post here are still believers and all the ones who weren't still aren't We've accomplished a lot today.
Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 08:29 wow dude get a life. Thanks for the tip. I've a gig to get to in the city tonight, for which I'll be setting off in about an hour (since I need to move a drumkit about for one of the bands), but until then I'm just hanging out for a while so I can keep an eye on someone who is unwell. May as well post on the forums. How about you? Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 08:29 So my one post brings out everything I've ever said. Sounds like my ex-wife. Get it all out you will feel much better. Uh, is there a point in here somewhere? Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 08:29 Now that you've said all that and yes I did read it. I'm still a believer and your not. And I bet all the Christians who post here are still believers and all the ones who weren't still aren't Right. What were you saying earlier? If Christ/God showed up everyone would still disbelieve? Like I said, you think everybody's like you... i.e. completely incapable of admitting they were wrong. Ironically you're the one condemning others. Indeed, I'm not a believer. You've already done your best to bring me to Christianity... what a shame you had nothing good to say about it, so the only inducement was your threat of punishment if I disobeyed. Congratulations, my opinion of Christianity is even lower than it was before you opened your mouth. How fortunate Christ probably isn't coming back, because I don't think he would be particularly proud of you.
heres my last statement in this thread. I really could careless what you think. Your just some dude behind a keyboard with obviously nothing better to do with your time.
it depends on what you believe in, religions shouldn't be discussed