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What is it that you think he is going to do for you that made you vote for him? Be specific.
So this n00b can't be VP. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z75QSExE0jU
Why not the usual pseudo-reasons? ;( I like being a sheep dammit. I voted Barr.
pawkyfox wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 08:31 So this n00b can't be VP. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z75QSExE0jU Their are four different definitions of that. I bet you didn't know what the answer was? The one stated in the interview is one of the least known. So your answer to why you voted for Obama is you didn't want the other party to win. So your vote wasn't for anyone I'd still love for any of you who voted for Obama to say what he will do for you?
if your going to post a response like that calling one of the co candidates a "n00b" then you obviously lack the maturity to vote, let alone post in this topic. I didn't vote for him because of his policies and the fact that he has lied on several occasions, among other fuck ups. It seems more than likely that he got so much of the vote because of the color of his skin. I really hate how ignorant America can be sometimes.
I voted for Obama partly because all this "socialism" talk is utter nonsense.
When I'm not so lazy, I'll show that it's not the taxation that makes us consider him to be a Socialist. There's more to Marxism than just wealth redistribution. Let's not forget about enslaving our kids in public education, for one. Edit: I don't hate him just for his policies either. I hate him (just as I do McCain) for the fact that what he (and several presidents before him -- Bush, Clinton, etc...) wants to do is Unconstitutional.
cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 09 November 2008 11:18 When I'm not so lazy, I'll show that it's not the taxation that makes us consider him to be a Socialist. There's more to Marxism than just wealth redistribution. Let's not forget about enslaving our kids in public education, for one. Edit: I don't hate him just for his policies either. I hate him (just as I do McCain) for the fact that what he (and several presidents before him -- Bush, Clinton, etc...) wants to do is Unconstitutional. What is bad about public education? And why is the constitution so important to you?
I'm not entirely against public education, as long as people have a choice to where they send their kids... be it public or private. That way, kids aren't indoctrinated like they are in America. The Constitution is a well-written document, and it limits government to the size that I like it. Not to mention that America is a republic, and if the people aren't above the law, neither should the government be. To disrespect the rule of law is to become a democracy, and democracy is just another word for mob rule.
Quote: I'm not entirely against public education, as long as people have a choice to where they send their kids... be it public or private. That way, kids aren't indoctrinated like they are in America. Does obama plan to make policies that force you to go to a public school? No sarcastic question or something, I dont know that much about the candidates (since I cant vote anyway because im, uh, not american) positions. Quote: The Constitution is a well-written document Still, you shouldnt just say "their behaviour is unconstitutional", say what exactly is wrong about it. I dont know the constitution (again, not being american ), so when you say that their positions, laws and acts arent constitutional I dont really know what you mean by that ;( Quote: To disrespect the rule of law is to become a democracy, and democracy is just another word for mob rule. ? How is every act of disrespecting the law to become a democracy? I dont really see that link.
Quote: Does obama plan to make policies that force you to go to a public school? No sarcastic question or something, I dont know that much about the candidates (since I cant vote anyway because im, uh, not american) positions. Don't know for sure, but if he can, I guarentee he would. I know alot of Democrats want to outlaw homeschooling, and a good majority of public schools lean towards the democratic side (AKA, obama's side). Quote: Still, you shouldnt just say "their behaviour is unconstitutional", say what exactly is wrong about it. I dont know the constitution (again, not being american), so when you say that their positions, laws and acts arent constitutional I dont really know what you mean by that ;( He means the government breaks the laws the people have to follow. And the laws that are specifically stated FOR the government to follow. The constitution, in short, is a document made as a general guideline for both the people and for the government to follow. But mostly, it's a paper meant to restrict the government's ability. When they start controlling and changing things for specific people like taxes, education, and so on, they're going against the constitution. Cheesesoda would be better at explaining this than me, though. Quote: ? How is every act of disrespecting the law to become a democracy? I dont really see that link. Democracy is majority control, no matter how stupid the majority is. A Republic is a country ruled by law- Both the government and its people must abide by it.
Frontier Psychiatrist How is every act of disrespecting the law to become a democracy? I dont really see that link. Well, it doesn't necessarily mean we're becoming a democracy, but the people are voting in candidates who make it blatantly obvious that they're not going to respect the rule of law. It's mostly the people who don't seem to understand the concept of a republic. The government is supposed to follow the law. Once the government ignores one law, there's no reason why they won't ignore more laws... and that's exactly what happened. With the people still maintaining "control" over who's elected, it's just becoming more of a representative democracy than it is a representative republic. As for what's Unconstitutional, what I do know of Obama's plans, he wants to tax the rich more and give to the poor. While some will argue that an income tax is no longer illegal because of the 16th Amendment (illegally ratified), the uneven distribution of that money is what's Unconstitutional. Of course, as I said, I'm not just pointing the finger at Obama, as many presidents have been willing to ignore the rule of law, as well. As for schooling, if you send your kid to public school, you really don't have any choice as to where the kids can go. If you're within a school district, you are forced to send your kids to the district's schools. Unless, of course, you want to homeschool your kids or send them to private school.
Ryan3k wrote on Sun, 09 November 2008 17:57 I voted for Obama partly because all this "socialism" talk is utter nonsense. lol
cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 09 November 2008 14:49 As for what's Unconstitutional, what I do know of Obama's plans, he wants to tax the rich more and give to the poor. While some will argue that an income tax is no longer illegal because of the 16th Amendment (illegally ratified), the uneven distribution of that money is what's Unconstitutional. Of course, as I said, I'm not just pointing the finger at Obama, as many presidents have been willing to ignore the rule of law, as well. It might be illegal, but I think its right. Its not actually right, but its "more" right than how it is currently. In a perfect world, we would have a fixed rate for everybody, but this world isnt perfect, so we'll have to rip of the rich first because there is no other option. Quote: As for schooling, if you send your kid to public school, you really don't have any choice as to where the kids can go. If you're within a school district, you are forced to send your kids to the district's schools. Unless, of course, you want to homeschool your kids or send them to private school. oh, didnt know that. its a bit different in germany, although we have our own problems (mainly because its really hard fire teachers, a lot of incompetence ensues).
Oh, it's one hell of a bitch to fire bad teachers here, too. Hooray for the teachers union. That and we can't give bonuses to good teachers, so there's absolutely no incentive to be a better teacher. Even if it is "more right" (which I would argue AGAINST), the fact that it's illegal is where the entire argument should end. Ignoring the law, once again, starts to dissolve the republic. The rich spend more, therefore they'll be paying more in taxes at a flat rate. Plus, no way can someone bypass a national sales tax like they can the income tax. There'd be plenty of money from the taxes coming in if my government stopped spending money on useless wars, foreign bases, agencies, and programs.
for a dark knight u sure dont seem to like black people
LMFAO -- But after they assasinate him, they will have to draw in Biden.
pawkyfox wrote on Sun, 09 November 2008 20:48 LMFAO -- But after they assasinate him, they will have to draw in Biden. Do you realize how preposterous it is to suggest that Obama will ever be assassinated? There is always a minuscule chance, always, and no technology will ever change that. However, it's impossible to ignore the insane Tech and methods the SS uses. We have fucking lasers. Lasers that are going to be mounted on the front of jets that can shoot down missiles. From a billion and a half miles away. Fucking lasers. The real SS OPERATORS are pretty much like the assassins from Wanted, too. Fuck lasers, they can shoot the bullets out of the air with actual goddamn bullets. Obama is a very, very safe man right now. Safer than anyone here will ever be in their lifetime.
Dying at the hands of the SS in an attempt to assassinate the President would be a pretty badass way to go out, though.
Ethenal wrote on Sun, 09 November 2008 21:53 Dying at the hands of the SS in an attempt to assassinate the President would be a pretty badass way to go out, though. Totally.
Quote: Even if it is "more right" (which I would argue AGAINST), the fact that it's illegal is where the entire argument should end. Ignoring the law, once again, starts to dissolve the republic. Why? if its illegal but right (again, up to debate and soem of the stuff the government does illegal is also not right, such as giving teachers, policemen etc special rights -.- <- Dont know if all that is covered in america btw, in germany those 2 examples are both jobs in which you are a beamter and thus almost not fireable and i dont know where im going with this) then make it legal. Those founding fathers might have been pretty smart, but they werent perfect either and they sure as hell didnt make these laws for the 21st century (which you can notice by looking at the current election process, it sure made sense when they created the constitution, it doesnt know though). Quote: The rich spend more, therefore they'll be paying more in taxes at a flat rate. Plus, no way can someone bypass a national sales tax like they can the income tax. There'd be plenty of money from the taxes coming in if my government stopped spending money on useless wars, foreign bases, agencies, and programs. True, the government is currently too much involved in things. However, for some things we need a government. For example stem cell research. you cant really tax the people who need it because you dont know in advance who's gonna need a cure for cancer. the NASA might not have use for us, but at some point we will probably need to expand beyond earth and if we only have a slightest piece of responsibility, we should make sure our sons can. But burding these things on people who dont even have the money to buy their food, I find that kind of disgusting ;S Damn, I am so bad at getting my point across, its unbelieveable. Also u6795, do you have any proof of that? because that really just sounds stupid.
Don't judge me by the color of my skin but by the color of my soul.
I guess he's on vacation in Canada even though his headquarters is near the Verizon building here in the DC area. Strange.
Barack Obama wrote on Mon, 10 November 2008 12:49 Don't judge me by the color of my skin but by the color of my soul. the souls dont have color you idiot
Quote: Don't judge me by the color of my skin but by the color of my soul. ... which is also black.
Rocko wrote on Sun, 09 November 2008 16:04 for a dark knight u sure dont seem to like black people if you're going to make a statement like that back it up. Where have you seen me say I don't like black people? Cause I don't like Obama that means i hate blacks??? If Obama was a Conservative Republican and had the same values and beliefs as myself I'd have no problem voting for him. I don't like his views thats why I didnt vote for him. Has nothing to do with the color of his skin. Did you vote for him cause he's half black? Remember his mom is white even though they only showed pics of dear ole dad. MGamer wrote on Mon, 10 November 2008 13:42 Barack Obama wrote on Mon, 10 November 2008 12:49 Don't judge me by the color of my skin but by the color of my soul. the souls dont have color you idiot is your soul half black to? Mom is white, dad is black. Remember kids you can't take 50% white and 50% black and get all black
Darkknight wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 06:03 Rocko wrote on Sun, 09 November 2008 16:04 for a dark knight u sure dont seem to like black people if you're going to make a statement like that back it up. Where have you seen me say I don't like black people? Cause I don't like Obama that means i hate blacks??? If Obama was a Conservative Republican and had the same values and beliefs as myself I'd have no problem voting for him. I don't like his views thats why I didnt vote for him. Has nothing to do with the color of his skin. Did you vote for him cause he's half black? Remember his mom is white even though they only showed pics of dear ole dad. MGamer wrote on Mon, 10 November 2008 13:42 Barack Obama wrote on Mon, 10 November 2008 12:49 Don't judge me by the color of my skin but by the color of my soul. the souls dont have color you idiot is your soul half black to? Mom is white, dad is black. Remember kids you can't take 50% white and 50% black and get all black Both parents white but I get all black with it.
Rocko wrote on Sun, 09 November 2008 16:04 for a dark knight u sure dont seem to like black people Why did you vote for him? Was it because he's half black or was there something you think will make him a good president?
I lied. I apologize. I did not vote for Obama. I had to work.
u6795 wrote on Sun, 09 November 2008 18:48 pawkyfox wrote on Sun, 09 November 2008 20:48 LMFAO -- But after they assasinate him, they will have to draw in Biden. Do you realize how preposterous it is to suggest that Obama will ever be assassinated? There is always a minuscule chance, always, and no technology will ever change that. However, it's impossible to ignore the insane Tech and methods the SS uses. We have fucking lasers. Lasers that are going to be mounted on the front of jets that can shoot down missiles. From a billion and a half miles away. Fucking lasers. The real SS OPERATORS are pretty much like the assassins from Wanted, too. Fuck lasers, they can shoot the bullets out of the air with actual goddamn bullets. Obama is a very, very safe man right now. Safer than anyone here will ever be in their lifetime. Hes not that safe if a crazy white boy comes up and some how shoots him and know he will get killed or arrested for doing it and does not care if he dies or gets arrested
Darkknight wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 07:09 Rocko wrote on Sun, 09 November 2008 16:04 for a dark knight u sure dont seem to like black people Why did you vote for him? Was it because he's half black or was there something you think will make him a good president? Rocko where are you??? Ive noticed you like to make a comment then run off. you never back up what your talking about.
pawkyfox wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 20:31 I lied. I apologize. I did not vote for Obama. I had to work. how exactly does working prevent you from voting (for obama)?
Frontier Psychiatrist wrote on Wed, 12 November 2008 04:26 pawkyfox wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 20:31 I lied. I apologize. I did not vote for Obama. I had to work. how exactly does working prevent you from voting (for obama)? I was not going to vote for him anyway. Up until a month before the election, I was going to vote for McCain...till he came up with the negative campaiging. Then I really didn't know who to vote for. I just wanted to go vote for him anyway...but I had to work (job) and I could not go/choose not to go/just saying excuses here to not go vote.
pawkyfox wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 20:31 I lied. I apologize. I did not vote for Obama. I had to work. racist bastard
Darkknight wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 23:44 Darkknight wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 07:09 Rocko wrote on Sun, 09 November 2008 16:04 for a dark knight u sure dont seem to like black people Why did you vote for him? Was it because he's half black or was there something you think will make him a good president? Rocko where are you??? Ive noticed you like to make a comment then run off. you never back up what your talking about. you should probably change your name to Whiteknight
liquidv2 wrote on Thu, 13 November 2008 02:49 Darkknight wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 23:44 Darkknight wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 07:09 Rocko wrote on Sun, 09 November 2008 16:04 for a dark knight u sure dont seem to like black people Why did you vote for him? Was it because he's half black or was there something you think will make him a good president? Rocko where are you??? Ive noticed you like to make a comment then run off. you never back up what your talking about. you should probably change your name to Whiteknight yes that makes total sense since DarkKnight is white. Aparently Rocko is MIA
I voted for Obama eventhough, my vote doesn't count in terms of counting. 1. Because one. anything better then the mess a guy called "Bush" made. 2. He worked very hard to achieve what he achieved my deepest respect!. 3. He is a role model. 4. I dont believe he will be able to make any "big changes" noticable in the next 2 years. But hey look ahead and look at every problem as a challenge to overcome. 5. Yes we can.
Ok not to disrespect your reasons but their all fluff. Their all generalizations. Anyone can preach change but what exact changes is he going to do you agree with. Just because you respect a man doesn't mean he will make a good president. So basically you voted against the last 8 years not for Obama. Change isn't always a good thing. "Well anything is better", is a very naive statement Can anyone tell me a real reason you voted for the man?
watever whiteknight, no1 wants any backwards old conservative retard runnin, da peepl voted 4 my black brutha cus dey wanted a little bit of chocolate in da white house, wuts da big deel??? go back to ur swamp in louisana and come back in 4 years when the next election starts
Rocko wrote on Mon, 17 November 2008 00:31 watever whiteknight, no1 wants any backwards old conservative retard runnin, da peepl voted 4 my black brutha cus dey wanted a little bit of chocolate in da white house, wuts da big deel??? go back to ur swamp in louisana and come back in 4 years when the next election starts I'm sure the White House has plenty of chocolate. From Hershey's to Dove to maybe even Cadbury.
Rocko wrote on Sun, 16 November 2008 23:31 watever whiteknight, no1 wants any backwards old conservative retard runnin, da peepl voted 4 my black brutha cus dey wanted a little bit of chocolate in da white house, wuts da big deel??? go back to ur swamp in louisana and come back in 4 years when the next election starts I would like to nominate this for post of the year!
Ryan3k wrote on Tue, 18 November 2008 21:58 Rocko wrote on Sun, 16 November 2008 23:31 watever whiteknight, no1 wants any backwards old conservative retard runnin, da peepl voted 4 my black brutha cus dey wanted a little bit of chocolate in da white house, wuts da big deel??? go back to ur swamp in louisana and come back in 4 years when the next election starts I would like to nominate this for post of the year! Seconded.
Berkut wrote on Wed, 19 November 2008 12:14 Ryan3k wrote on Tue, 18 November 2008 21:58 Rocko wrote on Sun, 16 November 2008 23:31 watever whiteknight, no1 wants any backwards old conservative retard runnin, da peepl voted 4 my black brutha cus dey wanted a little bit of chocolate in da white house, wuts da big deel??? go back to ur swamp in louisana and come back in 4 years when the next election starts I would like to nominate this for post of the year! Seconded. Thirded. That was Rocko dishing out some supreme wisdom, should never be forgotten. I say hall of fame.
u6795 wrote on Wed, 19 November 2008 13:42 Berkut wrote on Wed, 19 November 2008 12:14 Ryan3k wrote on Tue, 18 November 2008 21:58 Rocko wrote on Sun, 16 November 2008 23:31 watever whiteknight, no1 wants any backwards old conservative retard runnin, da peepl voted 4 my black brutha cus dey wanted a little bit of chocolate in da white house, wuts da big deel??? go back to ur swamp in louisana and come back in 4 years when the next election starts I would like to nominate this for post of the year! Seconded. Thirded. That was Rocko dishing out some supreme wisdom, should never be forgotten. I say hall of racism.
I voted for him because Palin scared the shit out of me.
MGamer wrote on Thu, 20 November 2008 02:52 u6795 wrote on Wed, 19 November 2008 13:42 Berkut wrote on Wed, 19 November 2008 12:14 Ryan3k wrote on Tue, 18 November 2008 21:58 Rocko wrote on Sun, 16 November 2008 23:31 watever whiteknight, no1 wants any backwards old conservative retard runnin, da peepl voted 4 my black brutha cus dey wanted a little bit of chocolate in da white house, wuts da big deel??? go back to ur swamp in louisana and come back in 4 years when the next election starts I would like to nominate this for post of the year! Seconded. Thirded. That was Rocko dishing out some supreme wisdom, should never be forgotten. I say hall of racism. This post deserves its own topic.
Rocko wrote on Sun, 16 November 2008 23:31 watever whiteknight, no1 wants any backwards old conservative retard runnin, da peepl voted 4 my black brutha cus dey wanted a little bit of chocolate in da white house, wuts da big deel??? go back to ur swamp in louisana and come back in 4 years when the next election starts so basically you have no clue what the issues are you voted for him because he's half black. Thats all i wanted to know. And I'm in Cincinnati btw. How is it racist to ask you why you voted for the man?
Darkknight wrote on Sun, 23 November 2008 12:23 Rocko wrote on Sun, 16 November 2008 23:31 watever whiteknight, no1 wants any backwards old conservative retard runnin, da peepl voted 4 my black brutha cus dey wanted a little bit of chocolate in da white house, wuts da big deel??? go back to ur swamp in louisana and come back in 4 years when the next election starts so basically you have no clue what the issues are you voted for him because he's half black. Thats all i wanted to know. And I'm in Cincinnati btw. How is it racist to ask you why you voted for the man? Dude, he's trolling, don't ever get into a discussion with a troll.
yeah i know but i wanted to just say one more thing. The reason I didnt vote for Obama is I don't agree with liberal view points. if the man would have been a black conservative and had my same views I'd vote for him in a second. Not because of his skin color but because of his values. You on the other hand voted simply on the fact that he has darker skin. You sir are a dumb ass.
I dont think Obama is that liberal tbh
well he's to liberal for me and thats why I didnt vote for him. i bet there are a lot who voted for him simply on skin color alone. So maybe our next prez can be green and we can all vote for them cause maybe all we needed was a different color in the white house to make things better. i still have not seen one person say why they voted for Obama other than general talking points and skin color p.s. this also goes for you all who didn't vote for him because of his skin color. those who voted for or against him strictly on skin color should have their rights removed for voting.
This is why Canadian politics > American politics. Ethnicity is never an issue.
American politics is alot more hilarious because of all the nutjobs.
Ma1kel wrote on Mon, 24 November 2008 07:05 American politics is alot more depressing because of all the nutjobs. Fixed that for you.
whiteknight well he's to liberal for me and thats why I didnt vote for him... i still have not seen one person say why they voted for Obama other than general talking points I didn't vote for McCain because he is too conservative for me!!! That's my legitimate reason for voting for Obama!!! HURF DURF
Ryan3k wrote on Mon, 24 November 2008 15:49 whiteknight well he's to liberal for me and thats why I didnt vote for him... i still have not seen one person say why they voted for Obama other than general talking points I didn't vote for McCain because he is too conservative for me!!! That's my legitimate reason for voting for Obama!!! HURF DURF wow one person has a reason. the reason its DarkKnight isnt the color of his skin. I didnt make it racial Rocko did. The only reason he voted was cause of the color of his skin
I am eager to see where the country stands in 6 months.
pawkyfox wrote on Tue, 25 November 2008 07:57 I am eager to see where the country stands in 6 months. well in Obama's acceptance speech he said not to see any real changes till his second term
Ma1kel wrote on Mon, 24 November 2008 12:25 It's both at the same time. Let's see what the Colbertctionary calls it... 'tragicomedy!' pawkyfox wrote on Tue, 25 November 2008 07:57 I am eager to see where the country stands in 6 months. I already know, and I'm about to profit on the millions upon millions of "Welcome to New Mexico!" signs I'm making! Darkknight wrote on Tue, 25 November 2008 11:59 Well, in Obama's acceptance speech he said not to see any real changes till his second term. ...or as I like to call it, the Great Tribulation.
Berkut wrote on Tue, 25 November 2008 21:46 ...or as I like to call it, the Great Tribulation. [/color] Ain't that the truth. Here's something I haven't seen posted yet and I know if you post your a nut job or its just coincidental. Doesn't mean anything but since Berkut posted what he did i thought I'd put this out there. What were the pick 3 numbers the day after the election results in Obama's home state?
That's no more of a sign than the day after the election being November the 5th. Remember, remember the fifth of November...
cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 26 November 2008 09:24 That's no more of a sign than the day after the election being November the 5th. Remember, remember the fifth of November... your probably right, but its still interesting. I just report the facts, you decide
BARACK OBAMA HAS CHOSEN TO REVEAL HIS SATANIC POWERS THROUGH THE STATE LOTTERY ..DEVELOPING..
pick 3 was 666. I'm sure it doesnt mean anything its just numbers and the lottery. Just something to throw out. just like when 9-11 happened and some said you could see the devil in the smoke.
Quote: just like when 9-11 happened and some said you could see the devil in the smoke. Did they say that on Fox News?
[NE Fobby[GEN] wrote on Wed, 26 November 2008 17:30] Quote: just like when 9-11 happened and some said you could see the devil in the smoke. Did they say that on Fox News? Don't know. did they?
It was an Associated Press photographer who took the picture. AP later said they do not manipulate any of their images. Also it was CNN that aired the video of it.
I saw that pic. It looked nothing like the devil. ^ Not the devil. The real devil looks a bit more like this...
Another retarded conspiracy theory is all. RONALD REAGAN'S THE DEVIL, no wait GEORGE BUSH IS THE DEVIL, no wait, OBAMA'S THE DEVIL. Shit, is everyone the devil?
Rocko wrote on Fri, 28 November 2008 22:32 nothin dumber then a cristian how about someone who only votes cause of the color of the mans skin? Or someone who can't use spell check
Not voting for someone because of their religion is entirely valid. Obama lost ten points in my book when I thought he was a Muslim, then it turned out he was a Christian so he got one point back.
Except that the US Constitution says there shall be no religious test for office.
No, that would mean a candidate would be disqualified from standing. It doesn't mean the electorate can't take the candidate's religion into consideration, just like their stand on the economy, foreign policy etc.
Spoony wrote on Sat, 29 November 2008 14:39 No, that would mean a candidate would be disqualified from standing. It doesn't mean the electorate can't take the candidate's religion into consideration, just like their stand on the economy, foreign policy etc. Ofcourse it wouldn't, it just means that a REAL American wouldn't take it into consideration.
Makes me wonder what the fuss about Obama supposedly being a Muslim was all about, then, or the fact we keep hearing that the majority of Americans wouldn't vote for an otherwise qualified atheist. Are these people, therefore, not 'real' Americans?
No, they're not real Americans. They're American citizens, but they've abandoned most of everything America was founded on.
Rocko wrote on Sat, 29 November 2008 06:32 nothin dumber then a cristian Lol, it's as if you are wanting to be a stereotype.
As much as it pains me to say it it has to be a little different with Islam- a true follower of Islam as president of the US (as unlikely as that is) would be disastrous.
cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 29 November 2008 14:11 No, they're not real Americans. They're American citizens, but they've abandoned most of everything America was founded on. If America was "founded on" democracy, then it sounds like you're the one who's done that. Y'know, the principle that you're allowed to choose for yourself which criteria to think about when casting your vote? Tell me, if you watched an interview and a candidate was asked which book they found most inspirational and uplifting, and they said Mein Kampf, would it be unfair to take that into account? No? Then why not if the book was the Qu'ran, which - let's be honest - makes Mein Kampf look downright moderate?
You hate state religions, so why is it a good reason to focus on keeping Christians in office that are undoubtably going to keep religion in government? Besides, if you start looking at the candidates instead of their issues, you become uninformed. It's one reason why Bush was elected over Kerry in 2004. Bush was a guy you could sit down and have a beer with, but likability doesn't really leave you with good policies, does it? Honestly, I don't give a damn if someone's favorite book was Mein Kampf. In fact, I don't care if the person is a complete racist. As long as he separates his morals/feelings from his public policy, I couldn't give two shits who he is.
cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 30 November 2008 11:57 Honestly, I don't give a damn if someone's favorite book was Mein Kampf. In fact, I don't care if the person is a complete racist. As long as he separates his morals/feelings from his public policy, I couldn't give two shits who he is. Unfortunately only robots can do that, which is the ultimate downfall of humanity IMO. We are mostly unable to separate emotion from our work.
Eh, not really. If you view that the government has no right to regulate rights besides to protect rights, then what you think and feel about acts and lifestyles are irrelevant. Or, if you feel that government should regulate as much as they can.
u6795 is correct to some extent, but there some instances in which people can separate their beliefs from their policy. for example, while I am personally opposed to abortion, i do not think it is the government's place to restrict it.
cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 30 November 2008 10:57 You hate state religions, so why is it a good reason to focus on keeping Christians in office that are undoubtably going to keep religion in government? I'm absolutely mystified as to how you came to this conclusion. cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 30 November 2008 10:57 Besides, if you start looking at the candidates instead of their issues, you become uninformed. I'm equally puzzled as to your use of the words "instead of", when "as well as" is far more appropriate. cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 30 November 2008 10:57 It's one reason why Bush was elected over Kerry in 2004. Bush was a guy you could sit down and have a beer with Speak for yourself. I'd rather not be near Bush when he's been drinking.
Spoony cheesesoda You hate state religions, so why is it a good reason to focus on keeping Christians in office that are undoubtably going to keep religion in government? I'm absolutely mystified as to how you came to this conclusion. Well, most politicians profess to be Christian. At least, here in America. Even though most people don't act like they're part of Christianity, they won't vote for anyone who isn't Christian. Put an atheist up against a Christian with virtually the same voting record and about the same amount of experience, and the Christian will win, especially if the atheist is out-spoken about his/her beliefs. Spoony cheesesoda Besides, if you start looking at the candidates instead of their issues, you become uninformed. I'm equally puzzled as to your use of the words "instead of", when "as well as" is far more appropriate. You clearly don't understand American voters, then. "Instead of" is appropriately used. Trust me.
I voted for him because as a single parent, I dont feel I pay enough in taxes. I also dont like the fact that I can see my doctor right away...I should wait longer like my friends in Canada and Scotland. I also think that my employer should pay me $249,999 a year and not a PENNY more, because then I'd be rich and be taxed too much. Oh wait, that number has changed to $50,000 now. That seems like a lot, but I make $34 an hour and I drive a 1994 with 140,000 miles on it, dont own a home, and can't save much. Lets see...OH I KNOW! To get obama the HELL out of Chicago, as this town is screwed up enough. Government can't do anything right, they cant even send me my license plate sticker on time, spell my name right on my car title, bill me correctly for my sewer & water, or send a letter across town within 9 days. And you people believe this crap he said? Where is this "change"? You guys probably arent old enough to remember Clinton's first term. "Worst economy in 50 years (a lie)" and "It ALL starts with a MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUT". So, he was inaugurated in the middle of January, and raised taxes, yes RAISED TAXES ON THE MIDDLE CLASS by THREE BILLION DOLLARS. Bush Senior said and did the same thing and got wiped for it. Clinton does it, on top of Bush Sr's tax increase, but calls them "contributions" and everyone's OK with it. obama's health care plan is a JOKE. If you get coverage if your employer doesnt offer it, WHAT company in America would offer it then, if they dont have to offer one? Where is the money coming from to pay for it? YOU. The MIDDLE CLASS. The rich dont pay much taxes, and the poor pay ZERO. So, you think your taxes will go down if everyone gets treated for everything? Why should I spend $10 on cough syrup and aspirin when I can get the care for free and get the government billed $300 for it? You people that voted for him are either easily fooled, or stupid. His wife is a mean lady, and gets paid over $120000 a year as a "consultant" for a food company here. She's never set foot in the building. Nothing but a union payoff (Story in the Chicago Sun Times April 2008). I'm union. Have been since 1995. Clinton fought for NAFTA and got it passed. Jobs have gone away, but they blame Bush, even Reagan. I'm not even bringing up obamas drug use, his gay connection, his love of Bill Ayers, his lack of ever having a real fucking job, or ever wondering what it is like to barely pay your rent and not have 20 cents for a package of Ramen noodles. Fuck obama, and all you idiots that voted for him. I want to laugh at the misery he will cause you all, but I would feel bad about it. Nobody deserves obama. Well, the Taliban and AlQuieda does, but obama wants to play nice with them and "negotiate". I've spent 4 years in the middle east, and I would feel safer wearing a KKK outfit yelling the "N" word in South Central LA than I would EVER going back to Saudi or Kuwait ever again. Those people HATE us, no matter WHAT we do. No matter what we WILL do. Was this post enough to continue the flame and to get people to hate me? I can add to it if you'd like PS., I really HOPE obama will do the right thing. I dont know WHY he'd want to be president now, he must be retarded. But I just cant see him doing ANYTHING right. He's a bullshitter. Its easy to catch a liar when you've been in the military, been an advisor to a government official, had druggies as friends/family, and been a parent. obama is lying every time someone asks him a question. Just try to decipher his answers. He doesnt deny or affirm anything. He redefines.
Oh I forgot. Bill Clinton was America's first black president. Remember when he said that? I LOL'ed. Being much older or younger than I am (38) and you have missed CLASSIC "WTF" moments in politics in America. Like when George Bush barfed on the Japanese Prime Minister in January of 1992. Or when he said "A new world order" which drove people insane with conspiracy theories (real and imagined), and spawned one of the coolest MINISTRY video/songs of all time. "Mommy, I like President Clinton!" "Why, honey?" "Because Daddy said he has Flowers on his desk every morning!" (Meaning Jennifer Flowers, a lover that Clinton had Arkansas State Troopers drive them to secret places for sex, as well as soliciting women for him as Governor) Ahh, I could go on. I wonder what asinine things obama will do that we can laugh about from our nuked-out fallout shelter eating canned beans from 1961. Renegade better be fucking playable or I'm gonna be PISSED
Fortunately, Obama is apparently going to play it safe to start off with. He's acting like his administration is going to be a lot more Centrist, which will make me happy. Unfortunately, I don't expect Congress to do the same, and I assume Obama will pass whatever bullshit, leftist crap they pass through Congress. I do hope that he doesn't, though. I could see myself liking Obama a lot more than I ever did like Bush (and I was a neo-con, at one point) if he stays Centrist. He'll piss off a lot of liberals in the process, but he'll be able to make peace with a lot of conservatives. He will need to do that if he truly expects to unite the country. What I am NOT fond of, as of right now, is that he still plans to waste a lot of money on frivolous bullshit. From what I can tell, he plans to reallocate wasteful spending to new wasteful spending. It will prevent new taxes, for a short while, but wasteful spending is still wasteful spending, no matter how you twist it. Here's to hoping that Obama proves me wrong in my initial assumptions and actually succeeds to make America a better place. I don't expect it to happen, and I expect his billions in spending will do little to absolutely nothing in terms of advancement. We shall see, and I'm going to be patient, against my better judgment.
@NUNYA What a bizarre, ill-informed rant. Nunya wrote on Tue, 02 December 2008 13:15 obama's health care plan is a JOKE. If you get coverage if your employer doesnt offer it, WHAT company in America would offer it then, if they dont have to offer one? Where is the money coming from to pay for it? YOU. The MIDDLE CLASS. The rich dont pay much taxes, and the poor pay ZERO. You are obviously painfully ignorant on this issue. Have you ever heard of tax credits? Quote: You people that voted for him are either easily fooled, or stupid. His wife is a mean lady, and gets paid over $120000 a year as a "consultant" for a food company here. She's never set foot in the building. Nothing but a union payoff (Story in the Chicago Sun Times April 2008). Nunya wears a tinfoil hat and smells his own farts. (Story in my dentist's Highlights magazine January 2005) Quote: I'm union. Have been since 1995. Clinton fought for NAFTA and got it passed. Jobs have gone away, but they blame Bush, even Reagan. H.W. spearheaded the negotiations for NAFTA. Clinton passed it in an attempt to "govern from the center." So are you for free trade, or against it? Quote: I'm not even bringing up obamas drug use, his gay connection, his love (Editor's Note: LOL?) of Bill Ayers, his lack of ever having a real fucking job, or ever wondering what it is like to barely pay your rent and not have 20 cents for a package of Ramen noodles. I've never seen someone so completely annihilate what little credibility they had in so few words. Bravo. I'm starting to think this is an elaborate fakepost. Just for the record, let me fill everyone in on this alleged "gay connection" of Obama's. A strange little man by the name of Larry Sinclair has gained notoriety for making wild accusations regarding gay sex, drugs and possible murder committed by Barack Obama. Not only would this be unbelievable on its own, but let me inform you that Mr. Sinclair has "a 27-year criminal record, with a specialty in crimes involving deceit." Quote: Fuck obama, and all you idiots that voted for him. This is the most intellectually stimulating way to debate someone. Quote: I want to laugh at the misery he will cause you all, but I would feel bad about it. Nobody deserves obama. Well, the Taliban and AlQuieda does, but obama wants to play nice with them and "negotiate". The Taliban and al-Qaeda are what are known as "non-state actors." Obama has never declared any intention to negotiate with non-state actors, especially the likes of these two groups. I know it's easy to set up bizarre straw-man arguments. You build them up and use them as a basis for your argument. The problem is, it makes you look like a fucking retard. Woops, you're starting to rub off on me. Quote: I've spent 4 years in the middle east, and I would feel safer wearing a KKK outfit yelling the "N" word in South Central LA than I would EVER going back to Saudi or Kuwait ever again. Those people HATE us, no matter WHAT we do. No matter what we WILL do. Perhaps you should have a word with all the Bush administration officials, Republicans, war hawks, neoconservatives, and AM radio talk show hosts who thought we would be greeted in Iraq as "liberators." Quote: Was this post enough to continue the flame and to get people to hate me? I can add to it if you'd like Oh, please, man! You've given me quite a laugh, here. (I'm serious.) Quote: PS., I really HOPE obama will do the right thing. yeah brah, i c ur hearts in da rite playce. we kool, we kool Quote: I dont know WHY he'd want to be president now, he must be retarded. But I just cant see him doing ANYTHING right. He's a bullshitter. Its easy to catch a liar when you've been in the military, been an advisor to a government official It's crazy to think that a veteran and former government adviser knows what it feels like to not be able to afford a 20cent pack of ramen noodles. Man Nunya, you've sure fallen upon some hard times. Anyway, I've heard all this shit before, so yeah? My dad works for Westwood and I'm gonna get you banned from these forums!!!!!
Spoony wrote on Sun, 30 November 2008 09:18 cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 29 November 2008 14:11 No, they're not real Americans. They're American citizens, but they've abandoned most of everything America was founded on. If America was "founded on" democracy, then it sounds like you're the one who's done that. Y'know, the principle that you're allowed to choose for yourself which criteria to think about when casting your vote? Tell me, if you watched an interview and a candidate was asked which book they found most inspirational and uplifting, and they said Mein Kampf, would it be unfair to take that into account? No? Then why not if the book was the Qu'ran, which - let's be honest - makes Mein Kampf look downright moderate? We weren't established as a democracy but a republic. As Chief Justice John Marshall said in Marbury v. Madison "the United States has been emphatically termed a government of laws, and not of men."
Note the words "if" and "on", and perhaps "democratic values" might've been better than "democracy" cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 01 December 2008 08:33 Spoony cheesesoda You hate state religions, so why is it a good reason to focus on keeping Christians in office that are undoubtably going to keep religion in government? I'm absolutely mystified as to how you came to this conclusion. Well, most politicians profess to be Christian. At least, here in America. Even though most people don't act like they're part of Christianity, they won't vote for anyone who isn't Christian. Put an atheist up against a Christian with virtually the same voting record and about the same amount of experience, and the Christian will win, especially if the atheist is out-spoken about his/her beliefs. I know all this; you haven't answered my question. What was this garbage about "focusing on keeping Christians in office"? cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 01 December 2008 08:33 You clearly don't understand American voters, then. "Instead of" is appropriately used. Trust me. well, I guess it depends on your definition of "issue", doesn't it. If you show me someone who claims they live their life by a book as morally despicable as the Qu'ran or the Bible, someone who thinks there's something good about the prospect of armaggeddon, and inform me that there's a chance they'll be in charge... I personally think "issue" is too mild a word. "Emergency" is better imho
GoArmy44 wrote on Tue, 02 December 2008 22:43 Spoony wrote on Sun, 30 November 2008 09:18 cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 29 November 2008 14:11 No, they're not real Americans. They're American citizens, but they've abandoned most of everything America was founded on. If America was "founded on" democracy, then it sounds like you're the one who's done that. Y'know, the principle that you're allowed to choose for yourself which criteria to think about when casting your vote? Tell me, if you watched an interview and a candidate was asked which book they found most inspirational and uplifting, and they said Mein Kampf, would it be unfair to take that into account? No? Then why not if the book was the Qu'ran, which - let's be honest - makes Mein Kampf look downright moderate? We weren't established as a democracy but a republic. As Chief Justice John Marshall said in Marbury v. Madison "the United States has been emphatically termed a government of laws, and not of men." And who made the laws?