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This is my prediction. All this Obama "leads in the polls" is pure crap...McCain's gonna win this. And many many people will be surprised.
Kerry was "going to win", too. When it comes right down to it, conservatives make a mad dash at the end, and many people will take a second look at Obama and hopefully change their mind. Not that they'd be doing much better by voting McCain...
There are SEVERAL third parties. It just so happens that Americans are sheep, and they only seem to know how to vote for one of two corrupt parties.
I've always hoped that in a heated election like this, everyone at the last moment ends up voting for a third party, and we have a third party president. Anyways, I dunno. Alot of people seemed to be swayed by Obama's stupid bullshit.
I was hoping that McCain would (for some reason) concede the presidency to Obama. However, since there are more than one candidates (and write-ins), Obama would lose to Barr because conservatives (neo-cons and TRUE conservatives) would vote Barr because Obama is the worst possible candidate, and a lot of Obama supporters wouldn't vote because they're too stupid (face it, American voters are idiots, for the most part. A lot of McCain voters would do the same if Obama conceded) to realize that there are other candidates.
Statistically, Mac's got a very hard fight. This graph shows the electoral college score over time counting only those states where one candidate has a lead of at least 5%. The states where the race is very close don't count here. For what it's worth, Kerry's campaign barely touched 300 EV's. Frankly, turnout will probably be huge this election, and that factor will also benefit Obama because he appeals most to younger voters.
Fuck mecain we need a Democratic look how bad gorge bush fucked use over and mccain agreed 90% of what bush did wtf is that
SSnipe wrote on Wed, 29 October 2008 16:51 Fuck mecain we need a Democratic look how bad gorge bush fucked use over and mccain agreed 90% of what bush did wtf is that I'm reasonably certain we've never had a president named Gorge.
As far as I know, Slick Willy signing a bill authorizing Freddy Mac and Fanny May to start buying subprime loans didn't exactly help us either. Nor did George H. W. Bush caving into a Democratic Congress to sign a bill that made our situation worse than it already was in 1991. As far as I'm concerned, the Democrats have screwed us over for the last decade, they shouldn't be given a chance to continue. I really don't want my parents to start getting taxed since they are going to raise taxes on anyone making over 150,000 a year. Quote: OBAMA: If Senator McCain wants a debate about taxes in this campaign, then it is a debate I have (sic) happy to have, because if you're a family making less than $250,000 a year, my plan will not raise your taxes. RUSH: Later in the campaign -- this is just recently -- very slyly, very slyly, Obama reduced the figure. OBAMA: If you have a job, pay taxes, and make less than $200,000 a year, you'll get a tax cut. RUSH: Whoa! So $250,000 has become $200,000. Yesterday Joe Biden in a TV interview on WNEP-TV, Channel 16 in Scranton Wilkes-Barre lowered it again. BIDEN: It should go like it used to. It should go to middle-class people, people making under $150,000 a year. http://www.wnep.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=3072032&h1=Bi den%20Talks%20to%20Newswatch%2016%20-%20Part%202&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=5 6066&LaunchPageAdTag=Search Results&activePane=info&rnd=17055173 ^^ above link links to the interviewhttp://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_102808/content/01125108.guest.html http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=exZPLEFixDQ bottom up??!! WTF?? The economy has always improved from the top down, not from the bottom up. Less than a quarter million huh? see above ^^
Muad Dib15 wrote on Wed, 29 October 2008 16:34 As far as I know, Slick Willy signing a bill authorizing Freddy Mac and Fanny May to start buying subprime loans didn't exactly help us either. Nor did George H. W. Bush caving into a Democratic Congress to sign a bill that made our situation worse than it already was in 1991. As far as I'm concerned, the Democrats have screwed us over for the last decade, they shouldn't be given a chance to continue. I really don't want my parents to start getting taxed since they are going to raise taxes on anyone making over 150,000 a year. Quote: OBAMA: If Senator McCain wants a debate about taxes in this campaign, then it is a debate I have (sic) happy to have, because if you're a family making less than $250,000 a year, my plan will not raise your taxes. RUSH: Later in the campaign -- this is just recently -- very slyly, very slyly, Obama reduced the figure. OBAMA: If you have a job, pay taxes, and make less than $200,000 a year, you'll get a tax cut. RUSH: Whoa! So $250,000 has become $200,000. Yesterday Joe Biden in a TV interview on WNEP-TV, Channel 16 in Scranton Wilkes-Barre lowered it again. BIDEN: It should go like it used to. It should go to middle-class people, people making under $150,000 a year. http://www.wnep.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=3072032&h1=Bi den%20Talks%20to%20Newswatch%2016%20-%20Part%202&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=5 6066&LaunchPageAdTag=Search Results&activePane=info&rnd=17055173 ^^ above link links to the interviewhttp://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_102808/content/01125108.guest.html http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=exZPLEFixDQ bottom up??!! WTF?? The economy has always improved from the top down, not from the bottom up. Less than a quarter million huh? see above ^^ OH NO, I BET THAT TAX INCREASE IS GONNA BREAK YOUR MOMMIES AND DADDIES NECK!
i predict that your prediction is wrong
Muad Dib15 wrote on Wed, 29 October 2008 14:34 bottom up??!! WTF?? The economy has always improved from the top down, not from the bottom up. Less than a quarter million huh? see above ^^ Unfortunately, trickle-down economics is not working as well as its proponents have said it would. You only need to see the reports the GAO have published that have concluded, Quote: that more than 40 percent of very large corporations doing business in the United States--those with assets of $250 million or more--either paid no income taxes or paid income taxes of less than $100,000. This was true of both foreign- and U.S.-controlled corporations. http://www.gao.gov/products/GGD-93-112FS I'm no fan of Obama, but unfortunately, his economic policy is more sound for these times than McCain's. The other thing is that people are crying that Obama is a socialist, but for the most part, his taxes would be essentially equal to what America had while Clinton was in office, and if I recall correctly, America was not singing the Soviet Anthem during the '90's.
cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 29 October 2008 09:44 There are SEVERAL third parties. It just so happens that Americans are sheep, and they only seem to know how to vote for one of two corrupt parties. Agreed most don't see the message of the 3rd party but mostly it is also to be blamed on the age-make up of the population. In a few decades time, after the present day middle-aged and older population dies out/becomes insignificant, the current generally liberal younger population will be the majority. I think then that would be the time a 3rd party can have success. IMO.
^ It isn't even that. Most Americans simply vote because they only see these "corrupt" parties... let alone know others exist or what the parties even stand for. Most people I know only vote to be "loyal to their political party." Disregarding the beliefs of the actual candidate and voting solely on if they are Republican or Democrat. Political parties have corrupted the politics of America for decades! If political parties were abolished, people would be forced to actually care for the election of the president and not rely simply on the fact they are in a party.
u6795 wrote on Wed, 29 October 2008 15:06 SSnipe wrote on Wed, 29 October 2008 16:51 Fuck mecain we need a Democratic look how bad gorge bush fucked use over and mccain agreed 90% of what bush did wtf is that I'm reasonably certain we've never had a president named Gorge. Nor have I heard of this "mecain" figure.
GoArmy44 wrote on Thu, 30 October 2008 10:14 u6795 wrote on Wed, 29 October 2008 15:06 SSnipe wrote on Wed, 29 October 2008 16:51 Fuck mecain we need a Democratic look how bad gorge bush fucked use over and mccain agreed 90% of what bush did wtf is that I'm reasonably certain we've never had a president named Gorge. Nor have I heard of this "mecain" figure. You guys know what i mean.
Just because Bush didn't do the greatest job ever, doesn't mean Obama will magically make everything better.
Cabal8616 wrote on Thu, 30 October 2008 10:40 Just because Bush didn't do the greatest job ever, doesn't mean Obama will magically make everything better. demecrates have done more for use and shit then any republican iv heard about and plus we need something and someone knew this is gonna be my last post here i hate fighting about shit like this
Even if Obama gets more votes, McCain will win. You watch...
pawkyfox wrote on Thu, 30 October 2008 12:34 Even if Obama gets more votes, McCain will win. You watch... We're talking the United States of America here, not Zimbabwe. If there really was a conspiracy to prevent Obama from being president, he probably wouldn't have even been running in the election at all, and he most certainly would not have beaten out Hills.
SPEAKING OF (WHICH? DONT KNOW WHAT ACTUALLY), why does the winner of one state get all the votes from that state? is there any specific reason for that?
A broken, stupid system that has become more than it was intended to be. The people were like WE WANTZ MOAR KUNTROL, and the politicians gave it to them. Powers were delegated for certain reasons, but they've long since been ignored.
It isn't that obama is doing better it is that the longer things go the more people realise how bad McCain/Palin really are.
I'd vote Obama if I were an American. Not that I like the guy very much, but his policies are more appealing to me than McCain's. McCain's sided with Bush on pretty much everything, and these past eight years have been a disaster to the U.S economy and public image. Not that I think Obama would change much, but McCain will probably either do nothing or take another step in the wrong direction. The McCain's campaign has made so many attacks and very false accusations to Obama, by first calling him inexperienced, then bringing up his former pastor, then calling him someone who hangs around terrorists, and now a socialist. If Obama is a socialist, then that would make me Stalin. I was also not happy with McCain's VP pick - a mayor of a small town and the governor of Alaska for less than two years - throws the "inexperienced" argument right out the window. Just my crazy Canadian opinion of course.
[NE Fobby[GEN] wrote on Thu, 30 October 2008 17:06]I'd vote Obama if I were an American. Not that I like the guy very much, but his policies are more appealing to me than McCain's. McCain's sided with Bush on pretty much everything, and these past eight years have been a disaster to the U.S economy and public image. Not that I think Obama would change much, but McCain will probably either do nothing or take another step in the wrong direction. The McCain's campaign has made so many attacks and very false accusations to Obama, by first calling him inexperienced, then bringing up his former pastor, then calling him someone who hangs around terrorists, and now a socialist. If Obama is a socialist, then that would make me Stalin. I was also not happy with McCain's VP pick - a mayor of a small town and the governor of Alaska for less than two years - throws the "inexperienced" argument right out the window. Just my crazy Canadian opinion of course. Very well said.
SSnipe wrote on Wed, 29 October 2008 15:51 Fuck mecain we need a Democratic look how bad gorge bush fucked use over and mccain agreed 90% of what bush did wtf is that http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/13/wall.bush-obama/index.html?eref=rss_lates t
Quote: Fuck mecain we need a Democratic look how bad gorge bush fucked use over and mccain agreed 90% of what bush did wtf is that Quote: McCain's sided with Bush on pretty much everything, and these past eight years have been a disaster to the U.S economy and public image. And before the Bush administration there was the Clinton administration, and before that.. Do you see the pattern here? Frankly it is very ignorant to blame the problems of America on the president. The president is one person, whom actually has limited authoritive power without consent. Everyone thinks that someone else can do a better job. Everyone thinks that they themselves can do a better job. The reality of it is that no one really can, because you can't please the entire nation, ever. It doesn't even matter which party gets the presidency, its going to be the same thing for the rest of our lives: "The 'X' administration doesn't know what they're doing, we need change! And new people! And he/she/it can do it better!" Whoever gets the presidency does what they think is right, to the best of their ability. The presidency will never please its nation because unfortunately we are all human, and we all have opinions, views, and by human nature "so and so can do it better".
Actually I thought Clinton made a fine president so I'm not blaming him for anything. I do blame the current administration, though, for several problems concerning the deficit, your debt, your image on the world stage, the mess in Iraq, etc. I don't want to get into a political debate because I'm just stating my opinion. The previous poster was absolutely right in saying that Obama and Bush aren't very different. That's American politics for you - two sides on the same coin - only slight differences between both parties and yet so much tension. I miss Ron Paul.
Under Clinton, sub-prime lending didn't exactly go unnoticed. (Which uh, sort of is why our economy is in such a disaster) Under Clinton, we had the chance to get rid of osama bin laden. But didn't. Under Clinton, our military was fucked up pretty badly. Clinton was NOT a great president. Not saying Bush was either, but I hate it when people say Clinton was such a great president. As for Ron Paul though, I agree. I miss him too. I really wish he had been the nominee. He mostly didn't get it because he was HONEST. And people hate honesty in politics, as much as they orgasm over it whenever Obama says he's LOL HONEST AND WILL BRING ABOUT CHANGE LOL.
I hate this forum... I just lost everything I had said by a connection interruption... Just a quick reminder for everybody who hates Bush so much and thinks that he's to blame everything... HE. CAN'T. PASS. LEGISLATION. ON. HIS. OWN. Congress (House of Representatives AND the Senate) must agree upon and pass the legislation before it goes to the Executive Branch for the president to sign/veto. As far as I have heard, there hasn't been anything huge that Bush has had to veto that Congress has passed. Who has the 3x the approval rating as the other? That's right, G.W. does. His approval rating around 30% is 3x the Congress' approval rating of 9%. While Bush may be fucking with our nation, Congress is obviously doing worse, and who are they controlled by, albeit slightly? The Democrats. Oh, and let's not forget who agreed with Bush on the $700 billion bailout. Kerry, Edwards, Obama, Clinton, McCain, and a sizable majority of Democrats. Less than 50% of Republicans in Congress voted for it. Edit: Cabal, the Republican Congress didn't want Clinton to go after bin Laden. They thought it was a waste of time, then 9/11 hit, and they attacked Clinton for not going after him.
For what it's worth, one of the reasons bin Laden was not eliminated was due to bickering among the CIA, FBI, and the military, and their jurisdictions. Richard Clarke makes a big note of this in his book. They had actually been spying on bin Laden for months using drones as he walked freely in his compound/village. Essentially they were just about to rig up a drone to dump a payload, but the operation was scuttled when those three organizations began to argue.
Mr. Fantastic wrote on Thu, 30 October 2008 13:00 pawkyfox wrote on Thu, 30 October 2008 12:34 Even if Obama gets more votes, McCain will win. You watch... We're talking the United States of America here, not Zimbabwe. http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Oct14/0,4670,PhoneJamming,00.html
FOXNEWS CONSERVATIVE!!! God, I hate it when people do shit like that to me. Especially on the APB forums. According to Al Sharpton, if Obama loses, there will be riots in the streets because all the black people that voted for OsamabinBiden will riot.
What makes you people talking about 3rd parties think that the same thing won't happen like it did in England with their parties?
actually Clinton had a budget surplus(one of the very very few), didn't f*** with other countries(a good thing), had the lowest inflation, biggest home ownership and lowest uneployment rate while he was a president, so I hate when people say Clinton was a bad president. And then Bush came....
Because the popular third parties are about reducing the size of government involvement. Edit: Clinton didn't fuck with other countries? What the fuck are you smoking? Ever hear of a little thing called Kosovo? That's just one of his foreign "military aid" campaigns during the 1990s. The only thing he didn't do was topple a foreign government, but he sure as Hell did send the military into foreign conflicts.
sorry, i meant he didn't ovethrow a government.
McCain's gonna win in the narrowest of margins, you just watch! NOTE: This is my election gamble.
I don't think there's any chance McCain will win : / Sad as it is. My friend runs this site: http://latestpollresults.com/ and he's been saying that for quite some time.
Can anyone from america tell me why you have such a low voter percentage btw? I always thought that our 60-85% were quite low, guess I was wrong.
Americans are lazy, uneducated, and complacent morons. HURR, MY VOTE DOESN'T COUNT HURR HURR HURR HURR.
My vote DOESN'T count Cheesesoda. I live in Illinois. McCain has a 0.0% chance of winning. If every other county in the state goes McCain, and Cook County(County that Chicago is in) goes to Obama, the state goes to Obama in a landslide victory. Not only is that working against him, but the Teamsters have already stated that they are to vote for Obama. Even if through some incredible miracle McCain did win, then the dead would cast their ballots, then the pets, then the children. It's just the way things work around here.
Well, Michigan has N****rville, USA, and North N****rville, USA. Not to mention Wayne County, a bunch of liberal assholes. Oh, and who am I voting for? Neither Obama nor McCain, so my vote obviously isn't going to directly help elect the next president. Still, even if my vote ends up being nothing more than a civil protest, I'm still using my voice. Plus, if all of the 150 million people that don't vote actually did, I'm guessing we'd see a lot different of a race.
Maybe everywhere else but Illinois : P. Also as for the voting for a third party candidate as Civil protest. Did you ever see the episode of the Simpsons, it was a Halloween special. Kang and Kodos impersonate Bush and Clinton until near election day. Then it is revealed and they both want to enslave the Earth. Then they are like "You have to choose one of us!" and some guy pipes up "I'll vote for a third party candidate!" And they say "Fine, Throw your vote away!" Then later as they are tabulating the results and... I can't remember if Kang or Kodos won, but Ross Perot is shown punching a whole in his hat and roaring since he lost to Evil space aliens that wanted to enslave the earth. Just thought that was relavent and kinda funny.
Quote: I miss Ron Paul. Me to, damn shame he didn't get more national attention. For the guys worried about their vote not counting...we aren't a democracy and were not designed to be. We are a republic. Here is a good video on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODJfwa9XKZQ
For the record I'm not complaining about it. I know that is the way the system works here and am A-OK with it. It works. We've sorta got corruption down to a science here and we prosper along side it.
C'mon McCain...you can do it man....damn he's got to win. I am not even gonna sleep tonight...I will be watching the results.
Obama is winning currently. Very very close though.
IN YOUR FACE.
nope more people have their hands out for free-bee's then their are people who want to work for it. Obama wins
So what was the topic starter talking about
TD wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 06:54 So what was the topic starter talking about I bet he is one of the 'many' people that is surprised.
Bah, no big deal. I voted McCain, but I really don't care that Obama won... If something is going to happen, good or bad, there is nothing we can do to stop it, therefore there is no use worrying about it. What ever happens, happens.
R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 08:45 Bah, no big deal. I voted McCain, but I really don't care that Obama won... If something is going to happen, good or bad, there is nothing we can do to stop it, therefore there is no use worrying about it. What ever happens, happens. Exactly, whatever happens, happens, and I'm not worried. I don't live in America anyway ;p
I was joking.
pawkyfox wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 13:41 I was joking. Did you at least have the time to fix my MCT while joking so much?
TD wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 07:04 pawkyfox wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 13:41 I was joking. Did you at least have the time to fix my MCT while joking so much? hahaha yes! LOL...I attached it. I uploaded it to Jelly but that guy pulled the plug on our box so no more forums. ----- MY NEW RENEGADE NICK NAME WILL BE "OBAMA." I WILL NO LONGER PLAY AS "pawkyfox." THIS IS MY PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT.
pawkyfox wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 14:06 TD wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 07:04 pawkyfox wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 13:41 I was joking. Did you at least have the time to fix my MCT while joking so much? hahaha yes! LOL...I attached it. I uploaded it to Jelly but that guy pulled the plug on our box so no more forums. ----- MY NEW RENEGADE NICK NAME WILL BE "OBAMA." I WILL NO LONGER PLAY AS "pawkyfox." THIS IS MY PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT. Alright, I'll check it out later, thx. All of a sudden you have become a fan of a black brother, while at first U were sucking on a rotten 70yo penis. Like wtf
Any good deals on places in the UK?
I would suggest Iceland, actually. The UK is more Socialist than we are.
If you're one of the people who would even consider leaving the U.S. based on the results of ANY election, by all means, get the FUCK out of the country.
Ryan3k wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 14:04 If you're one of the people who would even consider leaving the U.S. based on the results of ANY election, by all means, get the FUCK out of the country. I'm the type of person who would move based on the direction my nation is going and has been going. If I can find a nation that appreciates the views that I adhere to, why would I want to stay in a nation that continues to go AWAY from what I want? That's like sitting through a movie that is terrible and only seems to be getting worse by the minute when you can get a refund and see a movie you know you will enjoy. It's a no-brainer. Though, I do plan on sticking through a lot of this and seeing if the nation can get turned around and start shrinking the government down to the size it was intended to be. If not, I see no reason why I should have to endure a system of government that I cannot agree with. As it stands, I don't agree with Democrats or Republicans on any majority of issues.
no stupid his name is "Barack Obama" you must be confusing him with someone else!
TD wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 07:22 pawkyfox wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 14:06 TD wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 07:04 pawkyfox wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 13:41 I was joking. Did you at least have the time to fix my MCT while joking so much? hahaha yes! LOL...I attached it. I uploaded it to Jelly but that guy pulled the plug on our box so no more forums. ----- MY NEW RENEGADE NICK NAME WILL BE "OBAMA." I WILL NO LONGER PLAY AS "pawkyfox." THIS IS MY PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT. Alright, I'll check it out later, thx. All of a sudden you have become a fan of a black brother, while at first U were sucking on a rotten 70yo penis. Like wtf lol now I am having bad luck when playing as "OBAMA" so I am going back to "pawkyfox."
pawkyfox wrote on Fri, 07 November 2008 04:30 TD wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 07:22 pawkyfox wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 14:06 TD wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 07:04 pawkyfox wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 13:41 I was joking. Did you at least have the time to fix my MCT while joking so much? hahaha yes! LOL...I attached it. I uploaded it to Jelly but that guy pulled the plug on our box so no more forums. ----- MY NEW RENEGADE NICK NAME WILL BE "OBAMA." I WILL NO LONGER PLAY AS "pawkyfox." THIS IS MY PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT. Alright, I'll check it out later, thx. All of a sudden you have become a fan of a black brother, while at first U were sucking on a rotten 70yo penis. Like wtf lol now I am having bad luck when playing as "OBAMA" so I am going back to "pawkyfox." Racist
liquidv2 wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 22:20 no stupid his name is "Barack Obama" you must be confusing him with someone else! You do realize his full name is Barack Hussein Obama, right?
Saberhawk wrote on Fri, 07 November 2008 05:06 liquidv2 wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 22:20 no stupid his name is "Barack Obama" you must be confusing him with someone else! You do realize his full name is Barack Hussein Obama, right? You do realize he inherited his name from his biological father, right? (he is officially Barack Hussein Obama II)
Why does his middle name even matter? Barack Obama is not a Muslim. His father may have been one, but he had a very minimal relationship with his father, and had been a Christian for all his life. If Obama is a Muslim, then hell, so was Thomas Jefferson, who actually had his own Qur'an, learned some Arabic and did not believe God was Triune.
Any Fobby Gen wrote on Fri, 07 November 2008 14:38 Why does his middle name even matter? Barack Obama is not a Muslim. His father may have been one, but he had a very minimal relationship with his father, and had been a Christian for all his life. If Obama is a Muslim, then hell, so was Thomas Jefferson, who actually had his own Qur'an, learned some Arabic and did not believe God was Triune. It matters because sadly enough, someone having a muslim sounding name is enough to make intolerant people associate them with terrorism.