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Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: I am pre-ordering it today; can live with the DRM (which I find to be quite satisfactory after giving it a lot of thought). I am not missing out on the release of a C&C game this time around. EDIT: Added last option. EDIT2: I find the game to be enjoyable having been in the Beta. EDIT3: I changed my plan after learning of DRM issues I did not know before; I am boycotting it.
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2008-10-02T05:10:03-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: How about a "Don't want it because it looks crappy" option? I mean comon if they are so lazy they don't even feel like making new models then I say we should not buy that game.
creator: Lone0001
date: 2008-10-02T05:15:21-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: Lone0001 wrote on Thu, 02 October 2008 00:15 How about a "Don't want it because it looks crappy" option? I mean comon if they are so lazy they don't even feel like making new models then I say we should not buy that game. I added the option. I agree with your assessment. The game follows in the line of C&C 3 and KW. Same format but different units, factions, and storyline. IMHO, it is more of a remake of RA2 except the storyline changes we see with Japan.
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2008-10-02T05:20:13-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: Another thing is they are also too lazy to make a new UI, it reminds me directly of General's UI.
creator: Lone0001
date: 2008-10-02T05:23:11-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: I'll probably preorder it just for the preorder bonus material, and then wait until the price drops to actually get it.
creator: cmatt42
date: 2008-10-02T08:16:37-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: you can install ra3 a whole 5 times! woot EA are making big concessions here! Its ridiculous, its like you are renting it for a prolonged period of times rather than buying it. However my comp can't handle it so won't be buying.
creator: Jamie or NuneGa
date: 2008-10-02T14:55:57-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: I just CANCELLED all plans for buying Red Alert 3. As per my previous understanding, being connected to the internet and installing/uninstalling would give an install "credit" back. This would allow for indefinite uninstalls/installs as long as it is done on 1 computer and the limit is within 5 installations. However, the sheer absurdity of the DRM has been revealed as I just now learned that NO, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY INSTALL/UNINSTALL "CREDITS" whether you are connected to the internet or not. So plainly: after 5 installs, you are screwed and have to call EA to re-install the game for the 6th time. You will be treated like a little pirate kid by EA Customer Service as you explain to them why you should be allowed to re-install a $60+ game you purchased with your own money for the 6th time. As a computer and gaming enthusiast, my 2 gaming computers undergo constant changes every alternate weeks and the draconian DRM limits are totally unacceptable. It's absurd because I initially found the DRM satisfactory based entirely on the uninstallation "credits" scheme. With that removed as well, it kills all my options. As much as I would love to massproduce squadrons of Soviet Twinblade gunships and fight online, this would be the first ever C&C game I am going to skip entirely without a single bit of remorse. Piracy of any kind is not in my vocabulary. As a FPS/RTS gamer, I look forward to StarCraft II and in the meantime, I am considering trying out Universe at War (despite it's minor flaws) for a change. NOTE regarding poll: Subtract ONE (1) vote from option #1 and add ONE (1) vote to option #3. EDIT: Typo
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2008-10-02T17:44:18-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: I'll be buying it when it's released. It's CnC afterall.
creator: reborn
date: 2008-10-02T17:52:02-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: I already pre-ordered it. Quote: I mean comon if they are so lazy they don't even feel like making new models then I say we should not buy that game. Huh? RA2 was on a completely different engine, everything that is in RA3 was modeled completely from scratch... Lone0001 wrote on Thu, 02 October 2008 01:23 Another thing is they are also too lazy to make a new UI, it reminds me directly of General's UI. Again, huh? How can it remind you of Genera's UI? I bet you haven't even seen RA3's UI. It is the same as C&C3's UI just with a new Naval tab and control bars on the bottom left & right of the screen. General's UI was a sub-bar, not a side bar... it was completely different.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2008-10-02T20:04:25-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 02 October 2008 16:04 I already pre-ordered it. Quote: I mean comon if they are so lazy they don't even feel like making new models then I say we should not buy that game. Huh? RA2 was on a completely different engine, everything that is in RA3 was modeled completely from scratch... Lone0001 wrote on Thu, 02 October 2008 01:23 Another thing is they are also too lazy to make a new UI, it reminds me directly of General's UI. Again, huh? How can it remind you of Genera's UI? I bet you haven't even seen RA3's UI. It is the same as C&C3's UI just with a new Naval tab and control bars on the bottom left & right of the screen. General's UI was a sub-bar, not a side bar... it was completely different. Nothing in RA3 is modeled from scratch they are using almost all of C&C3's models, look at the war factory if you don't believe me. Sorry I meant to say C&C3, the same ugly Sidebar from C&C3(imo).
creator: Lone0001
date: 2008-10-02T23:55:46-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: The only similarity of the Allied WF to the GDI WF is that it has that scaffolding on the top of it. However the one in C&C3 a movable crane that moved forward and backward to give supplies to the constructing units. The Allied one in RA3 is in a different spot as and is immovable as it has a conveyor belt/lift inside of it that raises supplies and carries them into the garage from above. Another thing to notice is the side part of the structure which wasn't in the C&C3 version as well as the actual garage being on the opposite side of the structure. I don't know about you, but if you can somehow prove they are the same models, but edited, that in no way makes EA "lazy." It would be at least 3x harder to add such things onto an existing model than it would to create something from scratch. Trust me, I know, I've tried doing such things in the past. There is a difference between using the same design concept and using the same model.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2008-10-03T01:01:22-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: I have little interest in playing RTS's online other then Dawn of War, so I be downloading my copy, am only interested in the SP missions. When it becomes a gold game after a few months/year then I buy a copy or if I really did enjoy the SP missions, I mgiht buy a copy, but there is little chance of that.
creator: IronWarrior
date: 2008-10-03T02:55:22-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: RA3's campaign is co-operative. You can play alone, but you are paired off with an AI for the mission. If you really want to get into strategy, you should team up with someone online.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2008-10-03T03:32:33-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: EA actually listened to consumer opinion :/, you can install ra3 on up to 5 computers and it can be reinstalled and uninstalled as many times as you like however you must be connected to the internet so the uninstall can be declared. I'm ok with this method as there is no longer a limit to installation as long as you uninstall correctly. I think this was a result of the backlash against that spore game that would only allow 3 installs .
creator: Jamie or NuneGa
date: 2008-10-06T23:08:42-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: Nune wrote on Mon, 06 October 2008 18:08 EA actually listened to consumer opinion :/, you can install ra3 on up to 5 computers and it can be reinstalled and uninstalled as many times as you like however you must be connected to the internet so the uninstall can be declared. I'm ok with this method as there is no longer a limit to installation as long as you uninstall correctly. I think this was a result of the backlash against that spore game that would only allow 3 installs . Holy cow man you did not read my previous post. It was based on that scheme that I had plans to pre-order the Premier version. But no, EA retracted that statement. Once you have installed the game for the 5th time, the automatic activation WILL FAIL and you will have to call EA Customer Service. Chris Corry, on behalf of EA, said initially that connected to the internet would give you back an installation count. But he admitted it was a "mistake" and retracted his statement. Read his thread here: http://forums.ea.com/mboards/thread.jspa?threadID=430797 Most accurate information on Red Alert III's DRM: http://planetcnc.gamespy.com/fullstory.php?id=153673 In short, just forget this game and boycott it. I am not going to spend $60+ on a rental only to buy the same game over again after the 5 installation limit runs out. I am not calling Customer Service (what a joke!). Oh and how long do you think the authentication servers will be online? Will they be online 10 years from now? I don't think so.
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2008-10-07T00:23:47-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: i don't understand how making things harder for people who bought the game legally will make people not want to pirate the shit out of the game
creator: liquidv2
date: 2008-10-07T01:16:56-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: he retracted it :/... at least rate ea will just drive more people into downloading torrents as they will get tired of the treatment they get when they try to stay within the law. and with more people doing it, the chances of getting caught will decrease thus the risk will decrease thus more people will start illegal downloading. and with less revenue eventually EA and other game producers will not be able to afford to finance mroe and more games and as a result gaming will die with no new products on the market. Its a extreme outcome but a possible one.
creator: Jamie or NuneGa
date: 2008-10-07T09:49:01-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: Nune wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 04:49 he retracted it :/... at least rate ea will just drive more people into downloading torrents as they will get tired of the treatment they get when they try to stay within the law. and with more people doing it, the chances of getting caught will decrease thus the risk will decrease thus more people will start illegal downloading. and with less revenue eventually EA and other game producers will not be able to afford to finance mroe and more games and as a result gaming will die with no new products on the market. Its a extreme outcome but a possible one. And it'd all be caused by... Oh, what's that? Yeah, that's right. Anti piracy tools.
creator: GEORGE ZIMMER
date: 2008-10-07T13:02:57-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: Cabal8616 wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 14:02 Nune wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 04:49 he retracted it :/... at least rate ea will just drive more people into downloading torrents as they will get tired of the treatment they get when they try to stay within the law. and with more people doing it, the chances of getting caught will decrease thus the risk will decrease thus more people will start illegal downloading. and with less revenue eventually EA and other game producers will not be able to afford to finance mroe and more games and as a result gaming will die with no new products on the market. Its a extreme outcome but a possible one. And it'd all be caused by... Oh, what's that? Yeah, that's right. Anti piracy tools. Thats the ironic thing!
creator: Jamie or NuneGa
date: 2008-10-07T16:05:00-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: Cabal8616 wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 08:02 Nune wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 04:49 he retracted it :/... at least rate ea will just drive more people into downloading torrents as they will get tired of the treatment they get when they try to stay within the law. and with more people doing it, the chances of getting caught will decrease thus the risk will decrease thus more people will start illegal downloading. and with less revenue eventually EA and other game producers will not be able to afford to finance mroe and more games and as a result gaming will die with no new products on the market. Its a extreme outcome but a possible one. And it'd all be caused by... Oh, what's that? Yeah, that's right. Anti piracy tools. And Anti piracy tools were caused by... piracy.
creator: Herr Surth
date: 2008-10-07T16:37:37-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: And piracy is caused by Anti-piracy tools! It's a vicious cycle!
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2008-10-07T18:24:12-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: No? games being pirated was caused by people not wanting to buy them legally. Sorry to burst your bubble.
creator: Herr Surth
date: 2008-10-07T18:29:52-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: It was a joke. I was trying to loop it to what Cabal said...
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2008-10-07T19:14:24-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: Lone0001 wrote on Thu, 02 October 2008 07:15 How about a "Don't want it because it looks crappy" option? I mean comon if they are so lazy they don't even feel like making new models then I say we should not buy that game. lets boycot EA!!!
creator: renalpha
date: 2008-10-07T20:22:34-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: If they lose enough money for using the DRM tho, they might not use it in future games. "Time vil tell" Oh wait, einstein died in RA3...
creator: bisen11
date: 2008-10-07T21:51:53-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: Surth wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 20:29 No? games being pirated was caused by people not wanting to buy them legally. Sorry to burst your bubble. I'll blast a bubble in ur face DRM sucks, people buying the game will have a harder time playing it than people downloading and cracking it. It's basically like 'Hey, we can't stop all the people who download it, so let's just make it harder for the people who actually buy it legally to pirate the game!' And they achieve this by not allowing these people to install it more than 5 times, whereas people who download it can install it as many times as they want. IMO, the game should be protected by its own serial like RA2, allowing only one game to be connected with one valid serial for online gameplay. EA is basically focusing on protecting the WHOLE game (including single player), which requires this stupid DRM protection. I vote, all download RA3 until EA decides to remove the DRM fully.
creator: TD
date: 2008-10-08T05:38:03-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: I just say screw RA3, it's a lazily made game.
creator: Lone0001
date: 2008-10-08T05:57:06-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: TD wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 00:38 Surth wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 20:29 No? games being pirated was caused by people not wanting to buy them legally. Sorry to burst your bubble. I'll blast a bubble in ur face DRM sucks, people buying the game will have a harder time playing it than people downloading and cracking it. It's basically like 'Hey, we can't stop all the people who download it, so let's just make it harder for the people who actually buy it legally to pirate the game!' And they achieve this by not allowing these people to install it more than 5 times, whereas people who download it can install it as many times as they want. IMO, the game should be protected by its own serial like RA2, allowing only one game to be connected with one valid serial for online gameplay. EA is basically focusing on protecting the WHOLE game (including single player), which requires this stupid DRM protection. I vote, all download RA3 until EA decides to remove the DRM fully. Hey there mister Carmanufacturer, your Car is flawed. thus, I grant myself the right to steal it.
creator: Herr Surth
date: 2008-10-08T09:17:37-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: Surth wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 11:17 TD wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 00:38 Surth wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 20:29 No? games being pirated was caused by people not wanting to buy them legally. Sorry to burst your bubble. I'll blast a bubble in ur face DRM sucks, people buying the game will have a harder time playing it than people downloading and cracking it. It's basically like 'Hey, we can't stop all the people who download it, so let's just make it harder for the people who actually buy it legally to pirate the game!' And they achieve this by not allowing these people to install it more than 5 times, whereas people who download it can install it as many times as they want. IMO, the game should be protected by its own serial like RA2, allowing only one game to be connected with one valid serial for online gameplay. EA is basically focusing on protecting the WHOLE game (including single player), which requires this stupid DRM protection. I vote, all download RA3 until EA decides to remove the DRM fully. Hey there mister Carmanufacturer, your Car is flawed. thus, I grant myself the right to steal it. Allow me to fuel my legally bought car more than 5 times and we have a deal.
creator: TD
date: 2008-10-08T14:36:44-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: Haha, I love how "ima just pirate it" won, lets fuck EA over
creator: XCorupt69
date: 2008-10-08T16:11:23-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: TD wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 09:36 Surth wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 11:17 TD wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 00:38 Surth wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 20:29 No? games being pirated was caused by people not wanting to buy them legally. Sorry to burst your bubble. I'll blast a bubble in ur face DRM sucks, people buying the game will have a harder time playing it than people downloading and cracking it. It's basically like 'Hey, we can't stop all the people who download it, so let's just make it harder for the people who actually buy it legally to pirate the game!' And they achieve this by not allowing these people to install it more than 5 times, whereas people who download it can install it as many times as they want. IMO, the game should be protected by its own serial like RA2, allowing only one game to be connected with one valid serial for online gameplay. EA is basically focusing on protecting the WHOLE game (including single player), which requires this stupid DRM protection. I vote, all download RA3 until EA decides to remove the DRM fully. Hey there mister Carmanufacturer, your Car is flawed. thus, I grant myself the right to steal it. Allow me to fuel my legally bought car more than 5 times and we have a deal. Look, its not about the fact that the cars dealer is an idiot whose product has flaws. its about the way you react. Instead of not buying a car from him, you decide to steal his product. Besides, are you seriously gonna reinstall the game every 3 days like you refuel your car?
creator: Herr Surth
date: 2008-10-08T16:19:42-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: Surth wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 12:19 TD wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 09:36 Surth wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 11:17 TD wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 00:38 Surth wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 20:29 No? games being pirated was caused by people not wanting to buy them legally. Sorry to burst your bubble. I'll blast a bubble in ur face DRM sucks, people buying the game will have a harder time playing it than people downloading and cracking it. It's basically like 'Hey, we can't stop all the people who download it, so let's just make it harder for the people who actually buy it legally to pirate the game!' And they achieve this by not allowing these people to install it more than 5 times, whereas people who download it can install it as many times as they want. IMO, the game should be protected by its own serial like RA2, allowing only one game to be connected with one valid serial for online gameplay. EA is basically focusing on protecting the WHOLE game (including single player), which requires this stupid DRM protection. I vote, all download RA3 until EA decides to remove the DRM fully. Hey there mister Carmanufacturer, your Car is flawed. thus, I grant myself the right to steal it. Allow me to fuel my legally bought car more than 5 times and we have a deal. Look, its not about the fact that the cars dealer is an idiot whose product has flaws. its about the way you react. Instead of not buying a car from him, you decide to steal his product. Besides, are you seriously gonna reinstall the game every 3 days like you refuel your car? Well, you made the same kind of analogy with the stealing of the car. You don't take it away from him, you simply make a copy of it therefor they keep there's, and you have one just like it :/ .
creator: bisen11
date: 2008-10-08T17:19:43-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: I know the DRM is moronic, but why do people assume that pirating the game even more will somehow make any game publisher change their position? It's a vicious circle, and the only way to stop it is to stop pirating the software AND stop buying the games.
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2008-10-08T17:25:17-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: My guess is that it's usually used as an excuse to use pirated software. I'm quite convinced that those who voted for piracy here would have anyway, even without annoying anti piracy measures. (Then you'd get stories like "they just make it too easy, they are asking for it!"). I agree that the anti piracy measures have little to no to a negative effect though. They only make it more challenging for crackers to crack the software so it won't really help much avoiding the eventual pirated version and simultaniously people do get annoyed by it. The only use there probably is is for the first few days if people really want the game and there is no pirated version yet.
creator: StealthEye
date: 2008-10-08T19:06:19-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: StealthEye wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 14:06 My guess is that it's usually used as an excuse to use pirated software. I'm quite convinced that those who voted for piracy here would have anyway, even without annoying anti piracy measures. (Then you'd get stories like "they just make it too easy, they are asking for it!"). I agree that the anti piracy measures have little to no to a negative effect though. They only make it more challenging for crackers to crack the software so it won't really help much avoiding the eventual pirated version and simultaniously people do get annoyed by it. The only use there probably is is for the first few days if people really want the game and there is no pirated version yet. I have *never* pirated a game. Untill last week when i downloaded Spore out of spite because of the DRM. I purchased C&C3, KW even Generals. But will be pirateing RA3.
creator: Nightma12
date: 2008-10-09T18:46:03-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: If people continue to pirate the game even with DRM in place, yes it will actually help the situation. EA will realize that the DRM isn't working and either try to put in something else to see if it works, or put it back to the way it was before. Not buying the game will just hurt the future games that they would be making. Less buyers translates to less demand, and therefore less priority on future C&C games.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2008-10-09T20:57:40-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: How about you buy the game, pirate the ISO, and use your legit serial? Because in the end you won't seem like a fucking moron, right? While I may disagree with DRM and because I'm not a consumer whore, doesn't mean I can't think logically. EA need to keep a business running so obviously they're going to try and protect their product, even if their attempts are weak, however, why should you steal their product? If you like the game, buy it, get the serial, download the cracked version with no DRM and use your legit serial and happy fun times, if you don't like the game or EA yet still pirate it, you are a fucking moron because you are still supporting EA one way or another.
creator: Ryu
date: 2008-10-09T21:07:08-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: Surth wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 18:19 TD wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 09:36 Surth wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 11:17 TD wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 00:38 Surth wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 20:29 No? games being pirated was caused by people not wanting to buy them legally. Sorry to burst your bubble. I'll blast a bubble in ur face DRM sucks, people buying the game will have a harder time playing it than people downloading and cracking it. It's basically like 'Hey, we can't stop all the people who download it, so let's just make it harder for the people who actually buy it legally to pirate the game!' And they achieve this by not allowing these people to install it more than 5 times, whereas people who download it can install it as many times as they want. IMO, the game should be protected by its own serial like RA2, allowing only one game to be connected with one valid serial for online gameplay. EA is basically focusing on protecting the WHOLE game (including single player), which requires this stupid DRM protection. I vote, all download RA3 until EA decides to remove the DRM fully. Hey there mister Carmanufacturer, your Car is flawed. thus, I grant myself the right to steal it. Allow me to fuel my legally bought car more than 5 times and we have a deal. Look, its not about the fact that the cars dealer is an idiot whose product has flaws. its about the way you react. Instead of not buying a car from him, you decide to steal his product. Besides, are you seriously gonna reinstall the game every 3 days like you refuel your car? Basically we are all treated as potential car thieves, so they put this fuel limit on their cars. That's why I am just gonna duplicate his car, fix the flaws and use that one until they decide to fix the original car's flaws. I am not stealing the original car. A consumer shouldn't be treated as a potential thief. Stupid comparation you say? You started it. It's really not easy to compare software with stuff like that.
creator: TD
date: 2008-10-09T23:13:05-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: Piracy (In terms of VIDYA GAMES and stuff like that) isn't stealing. It's copying. Pretty big difference, so there goes that analogy.
creator: GEORGE ZIMMER
date: 2008-10-09T23:18:23-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: Ryu wrote on Thu, 09 October 2008 16:07 How about you buy the game, pirate the ISO, and use your legit serial? Because in the end you won't seem like a fucking moron, right? While I may disagree with DRM and because I'm not a consumer whore, doesn't mean I can't think logically. EA need to keep a business running so obviously they're going to try and protect their product, even if their attempts are weak, however, why should you steal their product? If you like the game, buy it, get the serial, download the cracked version with no DRM and use your legit serial and happy fun times, if you don't like the game or EA yet still pirate it, you are a fucking moron because you are still supporting EA one way or another. That's what I do with C&C 3 actually. Instead of taking forever to start up with all that DRM shit in place, it loads much much faster. But seriously, EA is just asking to lose customers with this move.
creator: Ethenal
date: 2008-10-09T23:40:59-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: Here's what I don't get : RA was a limited universe and a win or lose event for the soviet union. Why is EA trying to squeeze this very limited interim connective universe for C&C 95 into a multi-universe wierdo plot? Why not move on to another universe or better yet make campaign based plot based on missions and events from the first game? There's a whole lot more story to be told there. Instead we're getting these weird one offs with ridiculous tech and characters... Instead of releasing RA2 as a standalone they should have released it as an expension of the initial universe, and then adressed the period between the allies' win and the founding of the GDI. THAT's where a story and the potential lies without corrupting the games that came before. Instead we get: "Oh just pretend that never happened." and as a result many fans are confused and disregard the plot which in turn erodes the replayability and fan followups. I don't want a multiplayer RTS. I want a dynamic SP game with replayability and won't deliver the same experience twice yet still has a central hook that brings me back to the table. That is where the power of the first four releases of c&c came from and what everything from generals on has lacked.
creator: KIRBY-098
date: 2008-10-10T16:59:30-00:00

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description: KIRBY-098 wrote on Fri, 10 October 2008 12:59 stuff Precisely. It's becuase of EA's recent obsession with making the perfect ultra competitive RTS to make them more money with contests and such. That's why C&C 3 sucked so much monkey cock, it was designed for people who spent their entire day playing strategy games and boast about their mad skillz, and didn't give a flying fuck about the continuity of the C&C universe. Hence, the Scorpion spam problem. Honestly EA could just make a game with units like "Tank" and "Jeep" and "Artillery" and other obscenely bland things, and people would buy it by the droves. C&C 3 should not have been made the way it was. C&C is an amazing, story centered universe and Generals basically begun raping it and extorting it for more and more money when EA couldn't get any good ideas of their own.
creator: u6795
date: 2008-10-10T18:52:43-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: KIRBY-098 wrote on Fri, 10 October 2008 12:59 Here's what I don't get : RA was a limited universe and a win or lose event for the soviet union. Why is EA trying to squeeze this very limited interim connective universe for C&C 95 into a multi-universe wierdo plot? Why not move on to another universe or better yet make campaign based plot based on missions and events from the first game? There's a whole lot more story to be told there. Instead we're getting these weird one offs with ridiculous tech and characters... Instead of releasing RA2 as a standalone they should have released it as an expension of the initial universe, and then adressed the period between the allies' win and the founding of the GDI. THAT's where a story and the potential lies without corrupting the games that came before. Instead we get: "Oh just pretend that never happened." and as a result many fans are confused and disregard the plot which in turn erodes the replayability and fan followups. I don't want a multiplayer RTS. I want a dynamic SP game with replayability and won't deliver the same experience twice yet still has a central hook that brings me back to the table. That is where the power of the first four releases of c&c came from and what everything from generals on has lacked. RA2 is a sequal to RA1, which can be drawn to by watching the installation movie (connecting RA1 & RA2). RA3 uses time to RE-WRITE RA2, so according to RA3, RA2 never happened, neither did Yuri's Revenge. Now, the reason why EA wont connect the Red Alert universe with the Tiberium universe is due to simple misinterpreted care for the series. EA took over Westwood's operations in the C&C franchise. However, after the reception of Generals, EA realized that the C&C community isn't a group they can just bait a game to as long as it has the C&C label on it. That is why they tried to use what Westwood did and gain trust of the C&C community. However, while using the stuff Westwood provided for them, they also added i…
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2008-10-10T19:39:45-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: ..or they're just retarded and have no idea what to do with the series?
creator: u6795
date: 2008-10-10T20:10:38-00:00

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description: I will buy it, but will only install the pirated DRM-Free version. However I will use my purchased SN so I can play online.
creator: djlaptop
date: 2008-10-13T05:36:37-00:00

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description: djlaptop wrote on Mon, 13 October 2008 01:36 I will buy it, but will only install the pirated DRM-Free version. However I will use my purchased SN so I can play online. Lol, that's actually a smart idea. XD
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2008-10-13T05:40:18-00:00

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description: I've done a Pre-order on EA. why!! i have every C&C Game in its original case. An illegal copy doesnt look ok between all the original ones. i believe if you are a dedicated C&C Fan you cant f@$*#ck around with illegal stuff, thats almost the same as riding a Rolls Royce with a big sign ''RENTAL'' on it.
creator: wittebolx
date: 2008-10-13T15:01:32-00:00

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description: Pre-Ordering in lol.
creator: cpjok
date: 2008-10-13T21:32:33-00:00

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description: wittebolx wrote on Mon, 13 October 2008 11:01 I've done a Pre-order on EA. why!! i have every C&C Game in its original case. An illegal copy doesnt look ok between all the original ones. i believe if you are a dedicated C&C Fan you cant f@$*#ck around with illegal stuff, thats almost the same as riding a Rolls Royce with a big sign ''RENTAL'' on it. Pirating something that you own isn't illegal.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2008-10-14T01:12:50-00:00

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description: I just read up on the DRM being included with RA3, and it really isn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Sure it has that 5 install max limit thing, but you can call customer service to reactivate the game. THIS ONLY COUNTS FOR ONLINE PLAY. You are STILL ALLOWED TO PLAY THE GAME if you run out, but you just can't play ONLINE. You can play offline, but not online. Another thing about the DRM is that it means you don't need the disk to play the game. Once you install it, you can take the disk out and hide it somewhere because you don't need it to play. (Previously, games that required the disk to play where for piracy reasons, but since SecuROM has that being controlled from another perspective, disk requirements are unneeded)
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2008-10-15T02:56:51-00:00

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description: R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 21:56 I just read up on the DRM being included with RA3, and it really isn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Actually, it is worse and nobody is exaggerating anything; I certainly haven't. I am not going to repeat what I have said before many times in this thread. CS call after 5th install, beg and plead for 6th install. No thanks!
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2008-10-15T04:06:59-00:00

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description: No it isn't worse. I've been following this thread, and that was before knowing any solid facts about what this DRM was. When I finally read official facts about it, I realized that everyone was over reacting. It's not that bad. The only negative thing is that it restricts your product, but that isn't something you can say "OMG I spent $50 on this and I deserve to use it!" Because what you spent $50 on wasn't the game, but 5 hassle free installations of the game.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2008-10-15T04:32:38-00:00

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description: I'm gonna be honest, the DRM is one of the last things that would prevent me from buying the game. It's the fact that the game has armoured parachuting bears, and transformers that is stopping me from getting it.
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2008-10-15T04:35:00-00:00

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description: Don't knock it if you haven't played it! It's mad fun.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2008-10-15T04:36:01-00:00

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description: Tbh that's just the start of the stupidity, the fact that engineers can swim is an even stupider idea imo, and to add I don't like how EA is going for the "look RA3 has pretty girls" gimmick (I miss Borris and the original Tanya ).
creator: Lone0001
date: 2008-10-15T04:39:27-00:00

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description: Engineers have to swim because most structures can be built on water. And if you are implying Tanya from RA2, then she isn't the "original" Tanya.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2008-10-15T04:47:51-00:00

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description: Well yea I did forget the one from RA but I would even prefer her over the RA3 one.
creator: Lone0001
date: 2008-10-15T04:51:09-00:00

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description: Install limits = no purchase. I'm not so keen on getting RA3 that I'd go through the trouble of buying it then hunting down a crack for the DRM, and I don't pirate games as a rule, so I'll pass.
creator: NukeIt15
date: 2008-10-16T00:34:21-00:00

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description: Install limits = no ownership. I look forward to seeing the piracy vs sales numbers for RA3.
creator: Starbuzzz
date: 2008-10-16T22:52:27-00:00

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description: Once EA has realized this is causing more piracy they will either loosen the DRM or try to make the DRM stronger and make people want to get it legally even less(more likely this option), though this is lazy EA we're talking about so they will probably just leave it and get to work on another game.
creator: Lone0001
date: 2008-10-16T23:47:17-00:00

Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey
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description: Lone0001 wrote on Thu, 16 October 2008 19:47 Once EA has realized this is causing more piracy they will either loosen the DRM or try to make the DRM stronger and make people want to get it legally even less(more likely this option), though this is lazy EA we're talking about so they will probably just leave it and get to work on another game. Deffinitly the last option lol.
creator: bisen11
date: 2008-10-17T16:55:03-00:00