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Russia Vs. Georgia: Revengencefulness 2 XX
So what do you guys think? Who is in the right here? Who is going to get blasted on. Which side should the US try to help? Info here: http://www.reuters.com/article/europeCrisis/idUSL8732121 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7548715.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7549662.stm I'm sure you can find more on various news sites.
Re: Russia Vs. Georgia: Revengencefulness 2 XX
As for what I think: "lolwar" As for who's in the right? Between Georgia and S.O.: S.O. Between Georgie and Russia: neither. As for who's going to get the beatdown? If Russia actually uses its military force, Georgia will be flattened. As for who America should help: None. "Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none." -- Thomas Jefferson
It's probably George Bush's fault. LOLSARCASM
The US should not become involved. This is most emphatically not our fight.
I agree with Nuke and Cheesesoda...not our problem, let's stay out of it. We don't need to get involved with another war.
pawkyfox wrote on Fri, 08 August 2008 15:12 I hope Russia annihilates the Georgians. RIDICULOUS and BIGOTED how the Western media are focusing more on the Georgian side of the story portraying this as a Russian invasion. Greedy Georgians want to keep SO under their control and they march their army into SO. Russia has attacked back as Russia recognizies SO as an autonomous region within Georgia. Gee sorry, should Russian be named "greedy" for trying to keep Chechen region in their control? South Ossetia is Georgian territory, would you, if you are a head of state, let a militant group separate from your country?
Stay out of this Bush... This ain't our fight. Although I feel for the Georgians.
NEWSFLASH: There's about 2000 American citizens in Georgia, so we're probably going to get involved at some point.
u6795 wrote on Sat, 09 August 2008 21:44 NEWSFLASH: There's about 2000 American citizens in Georgia, so we're probably going to get involved at some point. It was their choice to move their, Not Americas, If America gets involved, I guess America will be stereotyped and generalized and hated more. Besides, I don't want Britain to get involved with a war against Russia. Shit, they'd flatten us with one bomb.
Ryu wrote on Sat, 09 August 2008 17:52 u6795 wrote on Sat, 09 August 2008 21:44 NEWSFLASH: There's about 2000 American citizens in Georgia, so we're probably going to get involved at some point. It was their choice to move their, Not Americas, If America gets involved, I guess America will be stereotyped and generalized and hated more. Besides, I don't want Britain to get involved with a war against Russia. Shit, they'd flatten us with one bomb. True, but the military is obligated by some weird law or something to get Americans out of a warzone as soon as possible.
Say hello to the Russia of the 21st Century, everybody! From what I am seeing, Russia is doing this not only to assert its power in the region, but it's also giving the finger to NATO at the same time. Georgia really wanted in on NATO, but now with it's borders invaded, it'll likely be very hard for NATO members to approve adding Georgia, because an attack on one member is an attack on all... and the last thing NATO and it's members want to do is attack Russia at the moment. If Russia gets away with this, who knows what they might attempt next... if the world remains ambivalent, and does not act on this invasion of a country which embraces Western ideals, Russia may try to enter other areas that are contentious. Remember what happened in 1936; this could very well be Russia's 'Rhineland' .
Putin and Medev know what they want. ( And no they dont care about others opinion) But whats with all the Pantser howitzers though :/ Just like with that school that got terorized by terorrists.. Russians don't seem to care about civilian casualties. ( these kind of weaponry make alot of innocent victims)
pawkyfox wrote on Sat, 09 August 2008 22:22 sadukar09 wrote on Sat, 09 August 2008 08:54 Gee sorry, should Russian be named "greedy" for trying to keep Chechen region in their control? If Chechnya was allowed by Russia to become a sovereign nation, then it would have become a HIVE of Islamic terrorists and a base of operations for future Jihad terrorist operations. So Russia was correct to take action against the Chechen rebels and put them out of their sick DAMNED God-forsaken misery. So, in your mind, all Muslims are terrorists? Wow, racist much? I'm sorry, but many of my friends are muslims, and they are good people, it's just a small minority that's making muslims look bad. sadukar09 wrote on Sat, 09 August 2008 08:54 South Ossetia is Georgian territory, NO. South Ossetia is an independent breakaway region within Georgia. Georgia has no rights over SO as they signed a treaty in 1992 that allowes SO to function independently. So since it is a breakway region with a secessionist boundary with Georgia WITHIN Gerogia, the Russian Federation has gleefully provided economic and military aid. South Ossetians are considered "citizens of Russia" by Moscow. Hey, let the U.S. provide funds and Stinger missiles to the Chechen rebels. With this situation at hand, the foolish Georgians and their STUPID president Saakashvili invaded South Ossetia to "restore constitutional order"...in essence, take over South Ossetia. And now they are getting owned bad as they deserve. Hey, let Russia take over all the former USSR countries, since some of them are "breakaway" countries. What is even more pathetic for Georgia is that they don't stand a chance to win. Their foolish president Saakashvili has come on TV LYING that Russia is making a full-scale invasion of Georgia! LIAR...Moscow has repeated that the goal of the Russian military operation is to RESTORE the South Ossetian border the Georgians came hoping over. I'm sorry, but shooting civilians and blowing them up with artilleries don't help your "Peacekeeping" theory. Saakashvili thought that being a pro-Western guy will automatically grant him military support from NATO countries! haha...NOBODY in Europe wants to get dirty with Russia. Only the US is influential and big enough to help Georgia and even then, still cannot provide any military support. Russia's armed forces' morale is so low, and with many budget cut, most of their equipment won't work, in a conventional war, even Germany can win. sadukar09 wrote on Sat, 09 August 2008 08:54 would you, if you are a head of state, let a militant group separate from your country? Your statement is completely irrelavent as that is not the case. Completely relevant, same situation was faced by Georgian and Russian Presidents. EDIT: typo If you like Russia so much, go live in it.
pawkyfox wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 08:35 sadukar09 wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 07:16 So, in your mind, all Muslims are terrorists? Wow, racist much? I'm sorry, but many of my friends are muslims, and they are good people, it's just a small minority that's making muslims look bad. No. But due to the actions of said minority, i.e. Chechen rebels, their entire race paid the price. Ok, by your logic all Christians are bad because of KKK. sadukar09 wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 07:16 Hey, let the U.S. provide funds and Stinger missiles to the Chechen rebels. sadukar09 wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 07:16 I'm sorry, but shooting civilians and blowing them up with artilleries don't help your "Peacekeeping" theory. wow Did I say it was a "peacekeeping" theory? I said Russian forces have come to the aid of their allies to wipe out the enemy that has invaded. Oh and who started this war? Russians! NO, Georgians started this war by invading the pro-Russian South Ossetians. Russia strikes back in fiercesome force NO DIFFERENT then how Israel reacted to Hezbollah in the summer of 2006. But somehow the fault is with Russia? And as for your quote above, there is a certain amount of civilian casualties and collateral damage that are an accepted norm in modern military warfare. Russia did not do anything excessive so far other than shelling a city that was OCCUPIED by Georgian troops and attacking Georgian military bases and oil depots deep within Georgia (and in the process killing some Georgian civilians as well). It seemed to have worked as Georgian forces have fled the city. Funny when Russia goes to war, civilian casualties are immediately brought up. In the same way, nobody wants to mention Iraqi civilian casualties due to the American invasion. And what about Lebanese civilian casualties due to Israel's war in 2006? I smell hypocrisy. You didn't, but the Russian did. sadukar09 wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 07:16 Russia's armed forces' morale is so low, and with many budget cut, most of their equipment won't work, in a conventional war, even Germany can win. This shows how slacking you have been in keeping current with Russian economic and military development over the past 8 years. In 2001, President Putin authorized a massive funding program to rebuild the Russian Air Force. In the years after that, other arms of the Russian military has been rebuilt with more funding. Russia is rich now, the economy has stablized from the tumultous era of the early 90's, and the military has grown stronger. Russia stopped being a broken nation around 2005. They have been strong and getting stronger since. I'm sorry, is that why the average Russian citizen still live below Western standards? sadukar09 wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 07:16 Completely relevant, same situation was faced by Georgian and Russian Presidents. There was no 3rd side in Chechnya. It was Chechen rebels vs Russian government. No ally to protect. Your statement is irrelavent. sadukar09 wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 07:16 If you like Russia so much, go live in it. I see you have ran out of your supply of crap. Yeah sure you believe that.
I like how 18 year old high schoolers are suddenly experts on geopolitical warfare
I like how trolls trolling trolls are suddenly expert trolls.
Yeah I don't have a clue at all, you're right. I'm not over there watching what's going on so my opinion on the subject means about as much as your grade school thesis does. The only verifiable fact is that there's an undeclared war going on over there and its repercussions may end up defining the next 10 years if it becomes any bigger than it already is. To sum up what I'm saying, don't pretend like you know this whole situation inside and out. I doubt being a Pennsylvanian high schooler gives you a huge insight into what's obviously a very complex situation.
Aircraftkiller wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 19:54 I like how 18 year old high schoolers are suddenly experts on geopolitical warfare Yeah it is all the rave these days, I guess we old "post grads" are behind the times.
I don't need to research your "arguments" to know you're a pretentious ass. You don't know much about the situation beyond what you've seen in mass media and I think it's obvious to most people that what you and I read online from CNN, BBC, etc is going to be just a little bit more tailored to our viewpoints than Russian news agencies would report. My real problem with you is that you're not right, not by a long shot. You're sitting at home behind a monitor while Russia is attacking Georgia and you think you know the answers to the conflict and what sparked it. Go ahead and do another point-by-point rebuttal, that I won't read, if you think it makes you look smart. But don't pretend that you're informed on a situation you've never even come close to seeing for yourself. When you admit that you know nothing and endeavor to correct that ignorance, you'll join the rest of us and try to figure out what's going on over there.
Good job posting another point-by-point retort... I don't even need to read what you wrote to see that you just don't get it.
I'll admit I skip them too. :/ Point-by-point responses are kinda... abrasive and frankly, the fact that you need to so clearly counter each point is a little insulting. You could just write a bit more about your stance in each post and let us determine what to take from it. Also I think you need to find a synomnym for sensationalism. (I think you are throwing it around a bit too much Pawky and some of the usages don't exactly make sense to me)
God damn, I remember when topics in this forum were interesting and I was willing to post in them. Then Pawkyfox came along.
Aircraftkiller wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 23:23 When you admit that you know nothing and endeavor to correct that ignorance, you'll join the rest of us and try to figure out what's going on over there. That's all that needs to be said.
I was contributing to this thread too, but I quit when you started arguing with ACK. He is right, though, you are such a massive knowitall, it's just not even entertaining to read these threads anymore. Don't even start picking at Doitle. You're just proving how much of a massive faggot you are.
pawkyfox blah blah blah, missing the point, etc... Wow, you ARE such a fucking blowhard. I was thinking maybe Doitle and Aircraftkiller were being a little harsh, but I probably should just stop doubting them because they're right on the money with you. I thought I had an arrogant sense about my opinion, but you blow me AND Starbuzz out of the water with your arrogance. It's not even about how you were using the quotes. Doitle didn't even touch on how you used them. It's the fact that you had to do a point-by-point argument, especially over non-sense. With you being such a brilliant guy (note: heavy sarcasm), I would have thought you would have caught that.
Hey look, I think you guys made him quit Renegade forums.
sadukar09 wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 21:23 Hey look, I think you guys made him quit Renegade forums. Next to go: you.
At least sadukar can make amusing posts sometimes. But losing another fucking troll that we clearly can do without is no big loss.
nvm, just noticed he's quit the forum, I suspect he may come back on another name.
Cabal8616 wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 15:51 At least sadukar can make amusing posts sometimes. But losing another fucking troll that we clearly can do without is no big loss. yeah, posting "FUCK" in big letters over 35346 Lines is really amusing. Like AIDS. Or War.
Wow, damn, he didn't pull a Zeratul on us when he left. I wasn't really trying to be a massive d-bag over it, I just hate when people pretend they have all the answers when in reality nobody really knows anything at all. Understanding your lack of knowledge and your limitations is the first step to enlightenment, not arguing point by point on a forum to pretend you're better than someone else. I myself am guilty of that, so I think my words should ring true.
cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 12:42 ... AND Starbuzz ... That was sarcasm right? Because just in case it wasn't, pawkyfox was Starbuzz. Edit: I don't get why he left, it's not as if he was being a total moron, but whatev.
Err, are you sure? Pawky was a conservative while Starbuzz took more of a liberal position... as far as I remember. o_O
Ha, no wonder the two were comparable in know-it-all attitudes.
nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 01:11 Nope. Same dude. How did you know? =\
sadukar09 wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 18:21 nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 01:11 Nope. Same dude. How did you know? =\ They both have the same writing style, and also... http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=29796&start=0&rid=2 3108 Check out 'Buzz's IP, and the removed posts. I knew it was him when he came back under 'pawkyfox' anyways. It didn't take much to figure it out.
I thought they were different people. But hey, at least he's not as bad as Bluesummers.
Muad Dib15 wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 23:25 I thought they were different people. But hey, at least he's not as bad as Bluesummers. Hey, now, leave him out of this. Null was right, and everybody else just needs to get over it.
Pawkyfox was quite a nice dude, I'll miss him around here. A bit too enthusiastic and a bit too much caring maybe, but still a nice guy...
What makes you guys think Pawkyfox is quitting the forum? I'm just wondering. I certainly didn't mean for anyone to leave because of what I said. I was just speaking my mind. I could see him pulling out of this thread but leaving the forum seems rash.
cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 00:14 Muad Dib15 wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 23:25 I thought they were different people. But hey, at least he's not as bad as Bluesummers. Hey, now, leave him out of this. Null was right, and everybody else just needs to get over it. So, you'd shrug it off as nothing if he/she/it faked a deadly disease that might/could/would affect your family members? Or, you.
sadukar09 wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 08:23 cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 00:14 Muad Dib15 wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 23:25 I thought they were different people. But hey, at least he's not as bad as Bluesummers. Hey, now, leave him out of this. Null was right, and everybody else just needs to get over it. So, you'd shrug it off as nothing if he/she/it faked a deadly disease that might/could/would affect your family members? Or, you. I have. Granted, I wasn't as close as many, but it's the fucking web. Sure, there could have been more tact used than the whole cancer thing, but everybody getting a dick shoved in their asses over it seems a bit much, too.
cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 13:48 sadukar09 wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 08:23 cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 00:14 Muad Dib15 wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 23:25 I thought they were different people. But hey, at least he's not as bad as Bluesummers. Hey, now, leave him out of this. Null was right, and everybody else just needs to get over it. So, you'd shrug it off as nothing if he/she/it faked a deadly disease that might/could/would affect your family members? Or, you. I have. Granted, I wasn't as close as many, but it's the fucking web. Sure, there could have been more tact used than the whole cancer thing, but everybody getting a dick shoved in their asses over it seems a bit much, too. Bluesummers from ABP forums..?
I have always found it interesting that the same people who treat others badly on any given day will complain, whine, and otherwise raise hell over someone doing something just a bit worse than what they've done. For example, the overly sarcastic guy who always ends his vitirolic posts with a complains to the heavens above that someone used cancer as a way to garner sympathy, as if he even knew what sympathy was or how to display it. I think the problem is that everyone is capable of things that Bluesummers did, and showing people that they aren't a shining beacon of purity makes them start showing how cruel they can be without needing to use cancer as a cover.
When will people learn that others will lie directly to their faces? I mean, if people are willing to lie in person, then there's no reason to believe that people are any more truthful on the Internet. Do people trick themselves into thinking that people are injected with a truth serum before they log onto the web? You people need to just detach yourselves from the Internet if you get that hurt over something as trivial as lying on the Internet. I'm sure every one of you upset over this whole ordeal has been 100% truthful, especially on the Internet. BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW YOU ARE SAINTS THAT ARE RIGHTEOUS IN PASSING JUDGMENT ON OTHERS.
Well, I best let it out here. I'm Captain Jean Picard, of the USS Enterprise. I'm so sry :[
Oh, my God. WHY CAN'T WE JUST STAY OUT OF OTHERS' BUSINESS? We are far too involved in foreign nations. South Ossetians voted 99% to secede from Georgia. The ONLY reason why it makes a difference for Georgia is that they want power and money. That's the only fucking reason that makes sense. That and holding people against their will must get them off. Bush says we can't abandon those that have chosen "freedom". Yes, we can, because they have chosen freedom. Once you choose freedom, you accept the possibility that people will disagree and choose to exercise their freedom and leave. Why suddenly become statist? It's pretty fucking hypocritical if you ask me. Oh, and fuck this current administration. I tried to be open minded about it. This is just frustrating. The arrogance that our foreign policy exudes is ASTOUNDING. We certainly don't want China bossing us around, so why the fuck do we think we can do the same to others? I'm tired of this invasive foreign policy. I'm tired of the current administration, and I'm fearful that nothing will change no matter which one of the two fucking idiots gets elected.
Ryu wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 14:47 cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 13:48 sadukar09 wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 08:23 cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 00:14 Muad Dib15 wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 23:25 I thought they were different people. But hey, at least he's not as bad as Bluesummers. Hey, now, leave him out of this. Null was right, and everybody else just needs to get over it. So, you'd shrug it off as nothing if he/she/it faked a deadly disease that might/could/would affect your family members? Or, you. I have. Granted, I wasn't as close as many, but it's the fucking web. Sure, there could have been more tact used than the whole cancer thing, but everybody getting a dick shoved in their asses over it seems a bit much, too. Bluesummers from ABP forums..? so.. is it THAT bluesummers..?
I can't believe you just figured that out.
nikki6ixx wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 18:45 sadukar09 wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 18:21 nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 01:11 Nope. Same dude. How did you know? =\ They both have the same writing style, and also... http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=29796&start=0&rid=2 3108 Check out 'Buzz's IP, and the removed posts. I knew it was him when he came back under 'pawkyfox' anyways. It didn't take much to figure it out. omg drugs! They are bad! Goztow wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 01:48 Pawkyfox was quite a nice dude, I'll miss him around here. A bit too enthusiastic and a bit too much caring maybe, but still a nice guy... I think I will come back to post here. Anyway, thank you!
Heh, I'm so tempted to call my brother and his wife and ask how the war is affecting them and that whole tirade about fighting outside, etc. He lives in Augusta
warranto wrote on Mon, 25 August 2008 14:04 Heh, I'm so tempted to call my brother and his wife and ask how the war is affecting them and that whole tirade about fighting outside, etc. He lives in Augusta Seriously? I moved out of Augusta at the beginning of the Summer. What's he doing in Augusta, studying?
mrpirate wrote on Mon, 25 August 2008 16:36 Lol, wow that gave me a good laugh.
ouch brain hurts...
Welcome to America where liberals want to throw money at our education system in hopes that it'll make our children less of fucking retards. Unfortunately, it's obvious that throwing money won't solve anything because it doesn't take thousands of dollars to teach that the state of Georgia is nowhere near Russia, and if Russia ever attacked the U.S., we can be damn sure they wouldn't start with Georgia.
cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 19:17 Yes... What did he/she do..?
Ryu wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 10:21 cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 19:17 Yes... What did he/she do..? He pretended to be a she ON THE INTERNETS. Then he was lying about having cancer, and then was found out that "she" really was a he. Then people got all butthurt over some stupid drama on the Internet.
cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 08:59 and if Russia ever attacked the U.S., we can be damn sure they wouldn't start with Georgia. Why not? I doubt the U.S. would honestly give two shits about Atlanta and Raleigh anyway.
I know someone in Atlanta and he said that the support lines for the help center were slammed with calls from people asking why Russia was invading.
^^ lol R3 probbaly oldies from the previous Cold War generation...
pawkyfox wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 14:03 ^^ lol R3 probbaly oldies from the previous Cold War generation... Err... umm... WHAT? You're an idiot. Georgia is not only a country bordering Russia, but it's also a state in the USA. People during the Cold War Era are older than I am. I trust that the majority of them understand the concept that the Georgia being attacked isn't the state in the Southern US.
lol i know. so who were the n00bs calling the Atlanta help center like Razor says? I don't think they were kids. Kids are busy on the internets today on myspace. My guess is that probably oldies with memory problems who listend some stuff on the radio about Russia and Gerogia in the same sentence and called for help lmfaooo
I highly doubt that. The older generations don't usually act on impulse like the younger generations do. I doubt they were kids, but I doubt they were middle-aged, either.
Actually the georgian president Saakaschwili is in german television. A talkshow aired by ZDF ... well a little bit anti-russian but still interesting. The georgian president seems to misunderstand the concept of a talkshow. for anyone who speaks german: http://maybritillner.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/19/0,1872,1021235,00.html?dr=1
cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 15:26 Ryu wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 10:21 cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 19:17 Yes... What did he/she do..? He pretended to be a she ON THE INTERNETS. Then he was lying about having cancer, and then was found out that "she" really was a he. Then people got all butthurt over some stupid drama on the Internet. To think I wanted a E-relationship with her/him too. Just kidding, but that is fairly pathetic, hahaha.
The rat chews his tie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRnbOlhEZj0&feature=related
hh putin lying he is still in kgb they say people what they want to say new president of russia is a hand of putin he still rule