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List your top 5 most hated things of all time! Rules: -Can't be or relate to any specific person/persons/group of people. (Also you can't use events to single out a person either... like saying "people who make threads like this.") -Try not to start a fight with anyone by listing something on your list. For me: 1. People who use "kid" as an insult.. or use their age as leverage to win an argument. For example: "Shut up you stupid kid, I'm older than you so I'm right." 2. When people start to talk about you and describe things about you when you are sitting right there in front of them. (Like people telling other people what you do and don't like) 3. Giving and receiving thank you cards... they are just a waste of paper. Why waste paper to say thank you in a letter when you can just call the person up and thank them. I actually find it more insulting when someone sends a note rather than calls. :\ 4. People outside the United States that hate the United States with no real reason and/or factual evidence explaining why they do so. (They normally make some stupid crap up too. Like "The US sucks cause the president is a dictator!" or crap like that.) 5. The word mature/immature. It just sounds like a weird word when I hear it... I hate using the word and hate hearing the word.
When people say seriously after everything they say, seriously. People with no common sense. Conspiracists. Sexists, Ageists, Racists, and pretty much anything else that ends with "ists" People who brag 24/7 about crap no one cares about.
Pretty goooooooooooooog!! or LMFAMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! The inner city. I wish that those people could live like the rest of us. Terrorists. Michel Moore. Conspiricy threorists. For the most part, they are wrong like some of those bullshit magazines.
Top 5? 1. Zep Nazi's. 2. EnvironMENTALists. 3. Anyone who wants to impose their religious/social beliefs upon others. 4. People who state their height and weight in game. If they really were a bag of chips and all 'dat, they wouldn't be going around saying it. 5. Anyone over 16 who hasn't done a hard day's worth of manual labour.
Quote: Michel Moore. Why would you hate him? He exposes the truth about Bush's Presidency and others like mad.
sadukar09 wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 18:39 Quote: Michel Moore. Why would you hate him? He exposes the truth about Bush's Presidency and others like mad. What a frigging tool. lol.
1) People who assume someone takes a specific mentality. 2) People who use wealth as an argument. 3) std:: 4) Inproper tabbing 5) Console_Input(StrFormat("").c_str());
BlueThen wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 18:29 When people say seriously after everything they say, seriously. People with no common sense. Conspiracists. Sexists, Ageists, Racists, and pretty much anything else that ends with "ists" People who brag 24/7 about crap no one cares about. might I add "atheist anti-christians"
Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 18:42 sadukar09 wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 18:39 Quote: Michel Moore. Why would you hate him? He exposes the truth about Bush's Presidency and others like mad. What a frigging tool. lol. You actually believe Bush and his bullshit?
what bullshit? Oh right, 9/11 was a conspiracy to get America involved in a war. Pretty goooooog!
Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 19:23 what bullshit? Oh right, 9/11 was a conspiracy to get America involved in a war. Pretty goooooog! I still don't see a reason to invade Iraq, it's funny how Saddam was installed by the U.S. and Reagan administration even supported Saddam with weapons.
No, that isn't true. What is true is that the United States DID want a reason to invade Iraq before 9/11, they didn't cause it themselves. When 9/11 happened the government was looking for an excuse on how to transform it into a reason to invade Iraq, but all they could find were Afghanistan. However, once over in the middle east, they eventually went from a hunt in Afghanistan into a war in Iraq. This is all true and it has been explained by government officials in a documentary on the War in Iraq.
sadukar09 wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 19:53 Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 19:23 what bullshit? Oh right, 9/11 was a conspiracy to get America involved in a war. Pretty goooooog! I still don't see a reason to invade Iraq, it's funny how Saddam was installed by the U.S. and Reagan administration even supported Saddam with weapons. How did we install him? Yeah we did give him weapons and support once he was at war with Iran but this is ex post facto. Quote: Quote: Michel Moore. Why would you hate him? He exposes the truth about Bush's Presidency and others like mad. Quid est veritas?
1. People who wear those weird mini-speaker things that wrap around their ears and act like they're something special talking "hands-free" cellphone. Yeah you're definetly better than the rest of us.
1. "If you're not with us, you're against us." ...which neatly ignores anybody who doesn't necessarily agree with either side, or who can see it both ways. Or who have minds of their own at all. 2. "If you're innocent, then you have nothing to hide." ...which disregards the basic principle of innocent until proven guilty. 3. Gun control. ...because when you make it a crime to be armed, only criminals will be. 4. Telephones. ...mostly because I'm a dyslexic fuck and avoid any form of communication that can't be edited before I've dumb something said. 5. "Too long, didn't read." ...encouraging illiteracy on the Internet and beyond since the dawn of the information age. Remember, kids: only losers read. Can we make it 10 next time?
1). The sun (not the newspaper, the huge glowing thing in the sky). 2). Hayfever x_x 3). Local gangs (I know it breaks a rule, but they kill small kids, I mean, c'mon!). 4). That, god, damn, Windows, Update, popup! I thought I turned you off?! 5). People who don't like others due to having a different lifestyle, or just because they don't understand others way of life. Yes, I'm talking to you, furry haters!
1.) Cheaters 2.) Hmmm T.... 3.) "Playas" 4.) "KillaHz" 5.) HipHop
1. Bleeding-heart liberals. If you care so much about the poor, then you do something about it, and stop dragging everybody else into it. It's MY money, asshole. 2. Neo-cons. You moral high-horsers can fuck off, and pre-emptive wars are NOT just wars, you idiot. 3. Politicians. Stop pandering to the idiots that voted you in and actually follow the document you swore to protect. Don't take my guns, don't take my speech, don't take my privacy, and don't take my money. 4. Utilitarianism. Yeah... as if that's a realistic moral principle. Let's all NOT take care of ourselves because somehow being completely altruistic makes sense... or not. 5. "Victims" of prejudice. As long as your rights aren't being taken away, you have no reason to act as if you're a victim. If I don't like you or your lifestyle, oh well.
cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 23 June 2008 10:11 4. Utilitarianism. Yeah... as if that's a realistic moral principle. Let's all NOT take care of ourselves because somehow being completely altruistic makes sense... or not. Umm, that's not Utilitarianism... its very easy NOT to be altruistic in a Utilitarian society. Example: Assume that it is for the betterment of society that people do not get sick. Therefore we must remove anyone who does get sick to avoid getting other people sick. Therefore removing people who by whatever means necessary to prevent others from getting sick is the morally correct thing to do. This would include killing, segregation, burning. Not only that doing whatever is possible to discover a cure for these illnesses is also the morally right thing to do. Including usually unethical medical practices.
warranto wrote on Mon, 23 June 2008 12:23 cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 23 June 2008 10:11 4. Utilitarianism. Yeah... as if that's a realistic moral principle. Let's all NOT take care of ourselves because somehow being completely altruistic makes sense... or not. Umm, that's not Utilitarianism... its very easy NOT to be altruistic in a Utilitarian society. Example: Assume that it is for the betterment of society that people do not get sick. Therefore we must remove anyone who does get sick to avoid getting other people sick. Therefore removing people who by whatever means necessary to prevent others from getting sick is the morally correct thing to do. This would include killing, segregation, burning. Not only that doing whatever is possible to discover a cure for these illnesses is also the morally right thing to do. Including usually unethical medical practices. Yes, I know. "Maximize benefit, minimize harm." Still, the idea is altruistic in nature. You can't value your life above anybody else, and you can't even value your friends and family over that of a dog, cat, or cow.
1. Neoconservatives 2. Fundamentalist religions 3. Bullshit celebrity news 4. When people stop in the middle of a hallway 5. Cyclists on the road taking up way too much of the street
1. The stupid people who will eventually bring about the downfall of the world by insisting that their specific view of something is the absolute final answer, using violence to enforce their point. 2. Political correctness. 3. Priests who touch little boys. (Nope, wasn't molested as a kid, but if there's a king of all hyprocrits, these priests are #1, therefore by pointing out the top hypocrit, I'm basically hating on all extreme hypocracy.) 4. Betrayal. 5. Anything in politics, be it laws or people, which exists that either wastes more time than creates (dumb people like Al Gore who win the Nobel prize for making a dumb global warming video), create more problems than solve (anti-marijuana laws), or overall do more harm to the human population than good (lobbyists trying to influence the gov't to do things like control guns for "increased safety" or keep cigarettes legal to boost the economy). I'm surprised no one has put EA on their list yet.
Well we all have lives other than video games. EA isn't high on our realife hate list.
SlikRik wrote on Mon, 23 June 2008 16:34 5. Anything in politics, be it laws or people, which exists that either wastes more time than creates (dumb people like Al Gore who win the Nobel prize for making a dumb global warming video), create more problems than solve (anti-marijuana laws), or overall do more harm to the human population than good (lobbyists trying to influence the gov't to do things like control guns for "increased safety" or keep cigarettes legal to boost the economy). Althought Al Gore has political agenda on his global warming video, it's still relatively true. You can't deny we didn't cause global warming.
sadukar09 You can't deny we didn't cause global warming. I can, I have, I do, and I will.
of course we started global warming... the globe isn't going to warm itself... and we are the only civilization on the planet that emits any sort of heat energy capable of causing global warming. Now I haven't followed anything that Al Gore has said concerning global warming... in fact I have no idea what his stand point on the matter is. I just think it is a no brainier that humans are causing it... Denying it is like saying ice isn't cold...
cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 23 June 2008 19:09 sadukar09 You can't deny we didn't cause global warming. I can, I have, I do, and I will.
R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 23 June 2008 19:56 of course we started global warming... the globe isn't going to warm itself... But how do you explain the multiple ice ages. We're not the CAUSE of it. But we are likely speeding it up, and exacerbating the situation.
That's what I meant. I guess "start" was a poor choice of word.
Muad Dib15 wrote on Mon, 23 June 2008 20:19 cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 23 June 2008 19:09 sadukar09 You can't deny we didn't cause global warming. I can, I have, I do, and I will. Gee, might want to explain then?
R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 23 June 2008 21:26 That's what I meant. I guess "start" was a poor choice of word. Errr, are you sure, or are you changing your view because nikki makes sense? Honestly, I think you realized that he's probably right and changed your stance because what you said atop this page puts full blame on humanity. Edit: Sadukar, the earth CONSTANTLY changes its climate. Hell, it even changes the polarity of its poles. It's just a natural occurrence, but I will agree that humanity isn't helping the situation. However, climate change would have happened regardless of our technology. Hell, in the 20th century, there was a concern for global cooling, too.
Shit happens. That's about all there is to global warming. Get an AC when that shit happens. Or, don't, so the national IQ average will rise some more. Back on topic... 1. People who fake being an idiot for attention. 2. People who ARE an idiot for attention. 3. Hypocrites. 4. People who simply follow what they're told because they're told to do it, instead of actually questioning why they're doing it, and following their own answers. 5. Egotistical people. ESPECIALLY when they have nothing to be proud of.
cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 06:52 R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 23 June 2008 21:26 That's what I meant. I guess "start" was a poor choice of word. Errr, are you sure, or are you changing your view because nikki makes sense? Honestly, I think you realized that he's probably right and changed your stance because what you said atop this page puts full blame on humanity. Edit: Sadukar, the earth CONSTANTLY changes its climate. Hell, it even changes the polarity of its poles. It's just a natural occurrence, but I will agree that humanity isn't helping the situation. However, climate change would have happened regardless of our technology. Hell, in the 20th century, there was a concern for global cooling, too. Same, poor choice of wording, we hurried it along.
Yeah, but making it go slower requires: -Alot of time and energy put into it. That time and energy could be used enjoying yourself, and/or could possibly create aftereffects in itself that'd fuck things up aswell. -Probably alot of downgrading in technology. Either that, or someone comes up with infinite energy. I'd rather enjoy my time with a little bit of heat than spend time trying to prevent something that'll happen anyways. To be honest, it's like wishing for immortality. You get it, but then suddenly, you find yourself 900 years old, a crippled old man, wishing for death.
how about making terraforming and massive space travel possible instead so we can just get another planet when this one fucks us over?
Surth wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 09:12 how about making terraforming and massive space travel possible instead so we can just get another planet when this one fucks us over? How I wish this'd happen in my life time .
Muad Dib15 wrote on Mon, 23 June 2008 21:19 cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 23 June 2008 19:09 sadukar09 You can't deny we didn't cause global warming. I can, I have, I do, and I will. Also, Maud Dib15 Well we all have lives other than video games. EA isn't high on our realife hate list. I was thinking the same until I saw RoShamBo's post. RoShamBo ... 3) std:: 4) Inproper tabbing 5) Console_Input(StrFormat("").c_str());
You obviously don't have a sense of humor. I sill don't have a life.
cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 01:09 sadukar09 You can't deny we didn't cause global warming. I can, I have, I do, and I will. Ignorance is bliss.
Ryu wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 12:43 cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 01:09 sadukar09 You can't deny we didn't cause global warming. I can, I have, I do, and I will. Ignorance is bliss. Talking about those that believe in global warming? I agree. The fact that the earth's climate has changed (and there is proof in ice core samples taken) numerous times only helps to support my view that we are not the cause of global warming. Just because there are industrialized nations while the climate is changing doesn't prove that we are the cause of it. Correlation is not causation.
cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 18:06 Ryu wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 12:43 cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 01:09 sadukar09 You can't deny we didn't cause global warming. I can, I have, I do, and I will. Ignorance is bliss. Talking about those that believe in global warming? I agree. The fact that the earth's climate has changed (and there is proof in ice core samples taken) numerous times only helps to support my view that we are not the cause of global warming. Just because there are industrialized nations while the climate is changing doesn't prove that we are the cause of it. Correlation is not causation. I never stated HUMANS Caused Global warming (gosh, then my geog teacher would think I'm such a stupid prick) - I was actually calling both of you ignorant. Humans sped (sp?) up global warming, burning oils, greenhouse gasses, cutting down more trees than we are planting them, etc. gasses don't magically escape into space without doing damage, and the damage is heat is stored on earth slowly melting ice caps, of course that heat will eventually escape into space but more replaces it. it's inevitable that a ice age will occur, eventually killing everyone and everything - But for now, recycling, turning off all your plugs in your house before you go out, etc, is basically slowing down this and thus making sure you get to live a full life, and help your children live a full life (assuming you have kids.) you only live once, I share this planet with you - don't be such a prick.
Calling me ignorant because I said I can and will deny global warming was caused by humans? Heh.
cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 19:57 Calling me ignorant because I said I can and will deny global warming was caused by humans? Heh. k mind fuck moment. self destruct in 5.
cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 07:52 R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 23 June 2008 21:26 That's what I meant. I guess "start" was a poor choice of word. Errr, are you sure, or are you changing your view because nikki makes sense? Honestly, I think you realized that he's probably right and changed your stance because what you said atop this page puts full blame on humanity. No I did not change my argument at all. I just didn't think that using the word "starting" was any different than saying we "helped it along." I didn't realize the actual argument behind global warming was between us causing it and us helping it along. I had originally thought that the argument was if global warming existed or it didn't exist. Like I said before, I don't follow along with anything like this, so it would be quite common for me to get mixed up like that. Now that I know what the dividing argument is, I want to rephrase it in saying it is a no brainer we are helping it along, not that we started it. EDIT: cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 07:52 ...what you said atop this page puts full blame on humanity. Maybe not on global warming but I do believe that humans deserve full blame for a lot of problems on Earth. Humans are like parasites to the planet. They take, take, take, and give nothing in return.
Well, you said the globe isn't going to warm itself which pretty much ignores natural climate change, putting full blame on humanity, but oh well. I'll agree that we certainly aren't helping at any rate. I just wish we weren't so willing to destroy the earth. I am not a tree hugger, but I do appreciate natural beauty, and we continue to destroy it.
cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 19:57 Calling me ignorant because I said I can and will deny global warming was caused by humans? Heh. Ok ok, OK. Let me retort - I call sadukar09 ze ignorant one then. Sorry baby. maybe next time though.
Ryu wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 20:24 cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 19:57 Calling me ignorant because I said I can and will deny global warming was caused by humans? Heh. Ok ok, OK. Let me retort - I call sadukar09 ze ignorant one then. Sorry baby. maybe next time though. Oh you'll pay for that... in bed. Rawr.
Quote: 4. When people stop in the middle of a hallway God I hate that to, seriously they need to get out of the way, it is a common courtesy. Ok my five: 1. Stupid voters, nothing says democracy like when the vulgus mobile turns out to vote for candidates they know next to nothing about. 2. Handless cell phone talkers (the blue tooth kind), I always think they are talking to me when they say hello, I always end up embarrassed when I respond and they give me a weirded out look. 3. Ants, god I hate ants. And snakes to, I hate'em. 4. Strangers that wave at me, like wtf I don't know you. I don't care if you are friendly. 5. Whole sentences in "txt talk" or "leetspeak". It is a forum with unlimited time limits on typing out a message, The internet doesn't charge you on words used.
1. People who pretend to know something/a lot about something but in fact know nothing about it at all. 2. People who fail to see a good argument because they don't dare to change opinions and/or think changing opinions is bad. 3. People who are demanding when they ask me something. 4. People who are impolite/insulting without any reason. 5. People who are too polite. (That includes asking "how are you" every time you see them, even if it's 3 times a day) Probably many more, these are mostly the discussion related things since that's what I've been reading most recently before posting this.
cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 25 June 2008 01:38 Ryu wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 20:24 cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 19:57 Calling me ignorant because I said I can and will deny global warming was caused by humans? Heh. Ok ok, OK. Let me retort - I call sadukar09 ze ignorant one then. Sorry baby. maybe next time though. Oh you'll pay for that... in bed. Rawr. rawr rawr!! =(<^-^>)=
1. Religion 2. Religion 3. Religion 4. Religion 5. Rap
BlueThen wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 18:43 BlueThen wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 18:29 When people say seriously after everything they say, seriously. People with no common sense. Conspiracists. Sexists, Ageists, Racists, and pretty much anything else that ends with "ists" People who brag 24/7 about crap no one cares about. might I add "atheist anti-christians" Oh, and emos. Those attention-hoggers. :/
Assholes who only flick on the signal lights when they get to the intersection. Way waste everyone else's time, grabasses.
Okay, I promised myself I wouldn't, but it looks like I'm a hypocrite. 6. "We must make sacrifices for our own protection."...give me Liberty, or give me Death. 7. Slippery Slope arguments....because when they're applied to every single fucking issue, we are made blind to the slopes upon which we really do slide. 8. Tailgaters....for you, I'll go 5-10mph slower. 9. Drivers who can't park....why is it always the douchebag with the extended Escalade, too? I'm so tempted to block you in. 10. "Bling-bling."...I swear, if I ever meet the fucker who came up with that phrase, I will force-feed them large, obnoxious jewelry until they shit diamonds and die.
These are not in order of most hated, but 5 things I hate are: 1. People who claim to know something when they really have no clue. 2. People who claim something is so perfect that it must be that way or be nothing. (nothing can be that perfect, so I refer you to number 1 on the list... because you fall in to that category) 3. People who try to argue by constantly and purposefullyignoring the important questions and keep arguing with you about the minor stuff. 4. People who think happiness trumps everything. 5. People who rely exclusively on logic to dictate what they should follow.
I fully support using logic for politics. Emotions are far too unstable and irrational for politics. You end up with people thinking the government should take care of things it shouldn't/can't (ie. poverty and morality).
Oh, I'm not saying that logic shouldn't be used... just not to be relied on exclusively. Proper "Logic" can be flawed but still never be wrong. If you were to rely exclusively on logic, you would follow it because, despite a particular argument being flawed, it is still right and can not be defeated by any counter arguments. The movie "I Robot" displays this nicely. The main issue was not that the logic of the main enemy was wrong (it was proper and sound), just that it was flawed.
Please dont EVER use that film in a debate. please! 8[
Heh, I'm not using it as part of the discussion. It's simply an accurate example to show what I mean about the risks associated with following logic exclusively.
Ok, I lied... I have a new number 1 here... Alberta recently switched to 10-digit dialing because of our population. My new hatred is the amount of complaining about this that I now here. Get over it people!
I hate america only because: They pay for their healthcare. Their "welfare" system is almost non-existent for the less fortunate. They invade other countries over bullshit excuses. And: Their so called evidence is a bunch of higher up's with their "word".
I like privatized healthcare. Welfare should be privatized. I hate our interventionist foreign policy. I hate blind faith.
Swearing at unreasonable times Selfishness People with no patience whatsoever and need entertaining even minute of their lives People who completely ignore their background culture even though they have to capability to embrace it Students that care way to much about prestige for college and can't take time in their busy schedule to truly relax in life
Idiots that want to import other healthcare systems from Europe, when they are having massive problems paying for it. Idiots like Obama that don't answer any questions (he thinks they are unimportant, you know what Obama? GET THE FUCK OVER IT!). CNN, CBS, NBC, stuff like that. People that aren't somewhat socially consicious. Democrats for trying to keep the black population under their control by welfare.
cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 30 June 2008 21:33 I like privatized healthcare. Welfare should be privatized. I hate our interventionist foreign policy. I hate blind faith. You enjoy over 50% of americans unable to send their kids to a docters appointment?
cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 01 July 2008 02:33 I like privatized healthcare. If you're a rich mean lady, yeah. If your some poor kid with leukemia who's parents have no money, but work 4 jobs, raise the money and find out they now need to pay more because their son doesn't have health insurance. a few months later the kid dies, privatized health care what now? more like privatized execution.
And your healthcare is any better? From what I've heard you people are havin major problems paying for your own healthcare. It is failing. Sure, everyone has free healthcare, but its useless with 50 people lining the doors for an operation. The Canadian healthcare system is a perfect example of what Europe is going through as well.
The Canadian health care system is great. I've never seen a '50-person line-up'. I've never had an excruciatingly long-wait. When I snapped my arm I had a 20-minute long wait, before I got it all fixed up. You should come down to Canada and see that not everything you see on the television is the gospel truth . I could compile an excruciatingly long list of the pros and cons of Canada's health care system, but It's an argument that's been done over and over. EDIT: Just read more of your post 50 person line-up for an operation lmao yeah, that's so true
Muad Dib15 wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 02:27 And your healthcare is any better? From what I've heard you people are havin major problems paying for your own healthcare. It is failing. Sure, everyone has free healthcare, but its useless with 50 people lining the doors for an operation. The Canadian healthcare system is a perfect example of what Europe is going through as well. ugh, Dunno were you're getting your facts from but the problem is that because Britain is on a anti-smoking campaign, the tax from cigarettes goes towards the NHS (National Healthcare System) and 40,000 people have quit smoking, That means alot of tax isn't going towards the NHS meaning no funds. That's it. Our health care system is fine - My mother has been treated for Cancer, surgery, Chemotherapy, the works and is now fine. I've had a operation on my foot to get rust from a nail out of my foot, If I didn't get that operation I'd be dead now due to blood poisoning. Both operations and treatment was free. But we're both alive and kicking - Our health care system is fine - America's is in question, though.
Send the child to a children's hospital, then. That's where I donate my money to, anyway. The problem with universal healthcare is that I don't necessarily benefit from the money I spend. Sure, that makes me a selfish bastard for wanting to benefit from what money I pay out, but it's my money, and if I want to benefit from it, then I should be able to. No system is perfect, but there is a lot of good that comes from privatized healthcare. You see people flying to America for medical care. Why? Because we have innovation and technology achievable because of Capitalism. Sure, it only affirms that people are greedy, but it works. I've noticed a huge difference between me and people who want a universalized health system. I don't spend other people's money because of my convictions. I think it's horrible that people have to suffer, but I see the consequences of playing to my emotions. I not only encourage my government to steal from my fellow Americans, but I allow for technology to slow down because there's no achievable capital gain. Sorry my political views aren't more Utilitarian. Sorry, but I choose quality over quantity.
This thread is full of people who know nothing about how healthcare works in America. I dont really know what 5 things I hate off the top of my head, but if theres one thing that makes me mad to no end, it's when people give a completely bullshit reason that they are expert on a subject. You make your case, and you support it. You dont just claim it irrefutable because you are a lifeguard or a teacher or this or that.
cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 05:04 Sorry, but I choose quality over quantity. There is no "Quality" in Health care.
Ryu wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 16:35 cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 05:04 Sorry, but I choose quality over quantity. There is no "Quality" in Health care. Sorry your post doesn't make sense, please explain.
He means regardless of Canada or America, the healthcare for powerful nations is roughly the same.
Then why do Canadians come to America for medical care?
Depends on the situation. I know in Alberta our government was stupid enough to tear down about half a dozen (or more) hospitals just before we got our economic boom. Now if there is not enough space (which is a reality at the moment), people are flown to the states. Other times it's to see a specific specialist. The more rare the case, the less people who are qualified to deal with it, after all. Government-run health care isn't perfect (it's run by the government after all...) but at least it's nice knowing I can get what I need without having to worry about whether or not I can pay for it or insurance will cover it. Edit: Interesting personal case study to share. My brother's wife, who is from Georgia, was up here visiting while they were dating and had to go to the clinic for some reason. She was completely dumbfounded that we could just walk in (answer some questions because she was not from Canada - not too sure on the details on this part) and get treated. No hassles. She absolutely loved it.
Oh, I don't doubt that she enjoyed it. I would enjoy not having the hassle, BUT I don't spend a lot of time in a hospital, but I do spend my money. Then I'd argue strictly on the principle that I'd rather not have my government force me or anybody else to spend money that they don't directly benefit from.
GoArmy44 wrote on Thu, 03 July 2008 00:53 Ryu wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 16:35 cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 05:04 Sorry, but I choose quality over quantity. There is no "Quality" in Health care. Sorry your post doesn't make sense, please explain. In the medical world, there are standards, Private hospitals aren't the only facility's with clean tools like syringes and Scalpel knifes, public Hospitals have 'em too. Everything is the same, only difference between a private and public Hospital is that Private Hospitals give you your own room, and have one doctor per person, rather one doctor per 20 people. Apart from that operations are the same, same tools, same machinery, if one Facility has a brand new tool, every hospital has them.
Ryu wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 21:22 GoArmy44 wrote on Thu, 03 July 2008 00:53 Ryu wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 16:35 cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 05:04 Sorry, but I choose quality over quantity. There is no "Quality" in Health care. Sorry your post doesn't make sense, please explain. In the medical world, there are standards, Private hospitals aren't the only facility's with clean tools like syringes and Scalpel knifes, public Hospitals have 'em too. Everything is the same, only difference between a private and public Hospital is that Private Hospitals give you your own room, and have one doctor per person, rather one doctor per 20 people. Apart from that operations are the same, same tools, same machinery, if one Facility has a brand new tool, every hospital has them. Isn't one doctor per patient better quality? I mean I would rather have a doctor who has time to process my ailment than one who has 20 other people who need his attention. For example there is an university health center on campus here that I went to in March about some back pain I was experiencing, the one doctor who was there was obviously stressed out from all the people that had come through (there were many), he basically told me to stretch it out while not even giving a second look at my problem...cost me 9 dollars. Cheap I know but horrible service, now it is July and my back is still the same as it was, just recently I went to a chiropractor about the problem, about 5 minutes of paperwork instead of the half hour wait at the health center, instead of pushing me on through the chiropractor actually helped me out and I came out of there feeling better. A lot more expensive but I got way better service and personal attention concerning my problem. I would diffidently consider them different in terms of "quality".
GoArmy44 wrote on Thu, 03 July 2008 03:42 Ryu wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 21:22 GoArmy44 wrote on Thu, 03 July 2008 00:53 Ryu wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 16:35 cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 05:04 Sorry, but I choose quality over quantity. There is no "Quality" in Health care. Sorry your post doesn't make sense, please explain. In the medical world, there are standards, Private hospitals aren't the only facility's with clean tools like syringes and Scalpel knifes, public Hospitals have 'em too. Everything is the same, only difference between a private and public Hospital is that Private Hospitals give you your own room, and have one doctor per person, rather one doctor per 20 people. Apart from that operations are the same, same tools, same machinery, if one Facility has a brand new tool, every hospital has them. Isn't one doctor per patient better quality? I mean I would rather have a doctor who has time to process my ailment than one who has 20 other people who need his attention. For example there is an university health center on campus here that I went to in March about some back pain I was experiencing, the one doctor who was there was obviously stressed out from all the people that had come through (there were many), he basically told me to stretch it out while not even giving a second look at my problem...cost me 9 dollars. Cheap I know but horrible service, now it is July and my back is still the same as it was, just recently I went to a chiropractor about the problem, about 5 minutes of paperwork instead of the half hour wait at the health center, instead of pushing me on through the chiropractor actually helped me out and I came out of there feeling better. A lot more expensive but I got way better service and personal attention concerning my problem. I would diffidently consider them different in terms of "quality". In my opinion, If one doctor per 20 people can keep it up and help everyone, it shows that there more good at what they do, active in their line of work opposed to one doctor per patient, makes them seem like they can't handle a little competition. You had a bad experience, one stressed doctor vs plenty of non stressed doctors. as for your back, exercise more, you lazy runt. alternatively, no heavy lifting, gee, you went and saw a doctor over a little back problem? LOL, sorry, but you just got conned man.
cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 19:42 Oh, I don't doubt that she enjoyed it. I would enjoy not having the hassle, BUT I don't spend a lot of time in a hospital, but I do spend my money. Then I'd argue strictly on the principle that I'd rather not have my government force me or anybody else to spend money that they don't directly benefit from. Be it the government or an insurance company, you are giving away money that you will never directly benefit from... until you need to use it.
Government run hospitals in the UK are paid per patient they treat. They need people to keep going back to it if they have a problem, so it's usually very good service.
warranto wrote on Thu, 03 July 2008 10:08 cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 19:42 Oh, I don't doubt that she enjoyed it. I would enjoy not having the hassle, BUT I don't spend a lot of time in a hospital, but I do spend my money. Then I'd argue strictly on the principle that I'd rather not have my government force me or anybody else to spend money that they don't directly benefit from. Be it the government or an insurance company, you are giving away money that you will never directly benefit from... until you need to use it. The difference between insurance companies and government is... the companies aren't government. Some may see this as a trivial difference, but I like my government small. Companies lose power when people don't want their services, anymore. Government keeps its power. Edit: "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty, than those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
Quote: as for your back, exercise more, you lazy runt. Are comments like this really necessary? I mean you try to make an intelligent point but bringing personal quips such as this to the argument only serve to prove your asininity in debate. Why I went to the doctor has no bearing on the argument so it is not a topic of the debate, for all intents and purposes it is hypothetical. Quote: In my opinion, If one doctor per 20 people can keep it up and help everyone, it shows that there more good at what they do, active in their line of work opposed to one doctor per patient, makes them seem like they can't handle a little competition. If you're good going to a doctor that spends the minimal amount of time looking at your problem because he has 20 other patients to look at then go for it but I will go to the doctor who will spend more time on my problem and treatment. If he is good at his work he will be rewarded with more business from other customers. Competition? From what? Is this the quality vs. quantity debate again? It better not be since you don't think there is such a thing as "quality" in health care.
GoArmy44 wrote on Fri, 04 July 2008 21:55 Are comments like this really necessary? I mean you try to make an intelligent point but bringing personal quips such as this to the argument only serve to prove your asininity in debate. Why I went to the doctor has no bearing on the argument so it is not a topic of the debate, for all intents and purposes it is hypothetical. I just gave you a hint, a back problem is probably the most simplest pain to cure. why? because your body is equipped to heal it, pain killers and rest, with a little exercise can heal it in one week. I really don't care how my argument looks, even if i add shit like that, big fucking woop! There are other things in life to worry about other than MY intelligence and how an argument looks on the Internet, besides, I couldn't give two fucks what people think of me. oh, it has no bearing in the argument yet you use it to try and prove a point.. I'm tempted to call you an oxymoron here but I just don't think that word justifies this situation. GoArmy44 wrote on Fri, 04 July 2008 21:55 If you're good going to a doctor that spends the minimal amount of time looking at your problem because he has 20 other patients to look at then go for it but I will go to the doctor who will spend more time on my problem and treatment. If he is good at his work he will be rewarded with more business from other customers. Competition? From what? Is this the quality vs. quantity debate again? It better not be since you don't think there is such a thing as "quality" in health care. first of all, a doctor can be appointed to people with a common cold to a possible patient with MS (Multiple Sclerosis), The doctor will say to the patient with a common cold, wait three fucking days, it will go away, and then go to the patient with Multiple Sclerosis and tell him what's going to happen, give his sympathy and prescribe painkillers to stop the pain you're going to get with that illness. Just because a doctor doesn't want to waste 30 minutes with you because you have the flu or a pain in your leg doesn't mean he might not give a fuck for you, but that the other people he has to treat might need more attention because it's more serious. as for qualiteh, there's standards, I mean this is American we're talking about, so things might be different, Public hospitals might be dirty places infested with all sorts of diseases opposed to private hospitals that are completely clean but hey, that's me generalizing America as stupid unfair fucks like the rest of the world is doing. protip: dignifying the last paragraph with a reply would make you look like an idiot. P.S: Just because a doctor doesn't want to waste time on you because you have a common cold and if I assume correctly you'll pull the "that's not quality" retort, I'll agree it's not quality, it's common sense.
Quote: oh, it has no bearing in the argument yet you use it to try and prove a point.. I'm tempted to call you an oxymoron here but I just don't think that word justifies this situation. My back problem was just a bit of the story that I decided to tell you, in the end it doesn't matter what I went to the doctor for, it was the service that I got, which was bad even before I even saw the doctor himself. Quote: protip: dignifying the last paragraph with a reply would make you look like an idiot. lol great defense, I guess it helps to try to get people to not to respond to stupid or absurd points of your post by calling them idiots ahead of time.
BlueThen wrote on Mon, 23 June 2008 02:29 When people say seriously after everything they say, seriously. People with no common sense. Conspiracists. Sexists, Ageists, Racists, and pretty much anything else that ends with "ists" People who brag 24/7 about crap no one cares about. im a BlueThenist ftw!
Haw, sucks to be you guys, I'm a military dependant so American taxpayers pay for my health care.
1. people who use violence as a first resort. 2. people that will never admit they're wrong no matter the evidence against them 3. people that take religion to the extreme (like christians that try and ban harry potter cos it is apparently evil etc) 4. people that look down on me cos of my age 5. people that use others as a tool/piece of tissue that they throw out when they're done with said person
u6795 wrote on Sun, 05 October 2008 08:07 Haw, sucks to be you guys, I'm a military dependant so American taxpayers pay for my health care. not your entire life, you will have to pay.. I'm a military brat to so enjoy it while you can. Why not just have the government do it all for us? Why stop at health care? They need to pay for my car insurance, my utilities, my house payment, rent, etc... why not have the government be the end all to everything. do away with free market economy just let them fix the same price for everyone.
insert_name_here wrote on Sun, 05 October 2008 14:43 4. people that look down on me cos of my age That pisses me off extremely.
Ryu wrote on Mon, 06 October 2008 13:26 insert_name_here wrote on Sun, 05 October 2008 14:43 4. people that look down on me cos of my age That pisses me off extremely. Try bridge clubs, they're quite possibly the worst for that.
1)people who are stuck up 2)girls who are hoes then bitch about being used like a rag doll afterwards 3)drama 4)online geeks who think there hot shit 5)..............