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Intro Today is the day the arrow reveals all! In this post, you will learn about the newest (and yet the oldest) development team in Renegade! Your support in this new group is humbly requested as we have learned from our past mistakes and those of others. I now present to you, on behalf of the excellent group I represent, Tiberian Technologies! Who is Tiberian Technologies? Tiberian Technologies is a newly formed group, founded in December 2007 by mac and Crimson, who aimed to unite the best Renegade coders, as there are many individual groups trying to achieve similar things. Now, all of the people that created the most widely-used software utilities such as RenGuard, BRenBot, BIATCH, scripts.dll, and Renegade Resurrection are now united into one single group: Tiberian Technologies. This group is dedicated to eradicate the heretics and restore Renegade to its former glory! Our first step is the creation of a new patch. We hope that with the community's support, we can get this patch sent through to all players as an official game patch. It consists of many bugfixes and an extremely extended version of the old custom scripts.dll, a new map, and a lot of stuff ported over from BlackIntel's projects and Renegade Resurrection. Patch Info TT strives to bring Renegade up to the next level. The game we have played and loved for years will be updated to include fixes for many nasty bugs, reduction of lag issues, and even enhanced gameplay with new features. We've been working for a long time in the shadows to bring you the most important Renegade development in the past 5 years and now we are proud to announce a new patch! The patch, originally planned as Core Patch 3, contains the following highlights: scripts.dll 4.0 built in Anti Cheat (replaces RenGuard) automatic downloading of maps and other content better compatibility with programs such as VoiceOverlay for TeamSpeak countless engine bugfixes and performance enhancements most prominent bugfixes: Blue Hell fix! Purchase Terminals no longer broken after rejoin The pistol now starts out loaded when you spawn The repair bays on Glacier Flying and other maps with repair bays now work correctly You will no longer be killed on some maps if you are standing right next to the weapons factory and someone buys a vehicle Taking a screenshot no longer causes lag Using a sniper scope no longer causes lag Enhancements: Support for using the left and right side buttons on mice with more than 3 buttons The weapon back and forward keys will now skip weapons that are out of ammo. You can still access those weapons by pressing the number keys to select the specific weapon New feature on vehicles that calculate damage points based on last occupant Points Fix - fixes an error in the way points are calculated when attacking vehicles with green health. Against all other targets, points are directly proportionate to damage, but not green-health vehicles due to a coding mistake. This is why, for example, snipers could get illogically high points for attacking heavy vehicles they did very little damage to. The selection of where you spawn when you join the game/die/etc is now more random New Maps "City2" map by Deathlink6.0 will be shipped with the patch BRenBot and NightRegulator will be updated as necessary to support these changes, and we will work with other bot authors to update theirs as well. Community Support These communities have been recognized by TT as the most popular and influential and as such, their leadership has received advance notification of this project and have all agreed to support it and us in any way they can. It will be very important to have these communities and everyone else possible participate in testing this patch in order to convince EA that such a patch should be released officially to all players and made mandatory. This part is essential to the success of the anti-cheat components. n00bstories Jelly Games BlackIntel UNRules Clanwars.cc TheKOSS2 Atomix Gaming MP Gaming n00bless German Renegade Community (RCS Server) Black Cell St0rm Gaming Renz0r Gaming TsuGaming Members Tiberian Technologies consists of the brightest minds in the Renegade community, including members of BlackIntel, Blackhand Studios, Black Cell, and a new face or two. The member list in alphabetical order is: Name Country Position Group Software Titles --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blazer USA Consultant Blackhand Studios BRenBot Cat998 Austria Coder BlackIntel BIATCH Crimson USA Management Blackhand Studios RenGuard danpaul88 UK Coder Blackhand Studios BRenBot EvilWhiteDragon Netherlands Consultant BlackIntel BIATCH Ghostshaw Netherlands Coder BlackIntel BIATCH inetkngeek USA Coder Blackhand Studios RenGuard, CPs jonwil Australia Coder Blackhand Studios scripts.dll mac Germany Management Blackhand Studios BrenBot/RenGuard Saberhawk USA Coder none scripts.dll Sir Kane Germany Coder Blackhand Studios Original bhs.dll, ladder server, RenGuard StealthEye Netherlands Coder BlackIntel BIATCH Spoony UK QA/Balance none WhiteDragon USA Coder Black Cell SSGM v00d00 Canada Coder Blackhand Studios TFD's no cd crack, RenGuard Yrr Germany Coder none Renegade Resurrection Future Only our messiah Kane himself knows what else the future holds for Renegade with this new development team! [Edit] Credits go to Deathlink6.0 for the TT-Logo!
Sweet
Hurray! I was right! This sounds really cool. Good luck to you all.
Sweet... So when's the release date for the patch?
Well, I'll be... This is very exciting news!
And this built in anti cheat is what exactly?
YA!!!!!!!!!! Also, n00bless owns all. We got some of the beststuff.
Cool.
Sn1per74* wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 14:44 Sweet... So when's the release date for the patch? Release schedule will be announced later. There will be lots of public beta testing (several months with various beta builds). We have to get this patch in its final state as stable as humanily possible.. if the entire community supports it, EA can approve this, as it has been communicated. Scripts 4.0 has been in the works since early January.. with a full force team. It's just not jonwil working on this, but there's alot of teamwork between roughly 6-8 people every day!
The whole community should fully support this . It sounds very promising .
We don't have a date set in stone yet but we do have a LOT of stuff already done, too. Don't look for this to be done in the next month but we needed to make sure with you guys that we were on the right track with something the community wants and needs.
haha. Nice planning. ~Zack
You guys should talk to TheKGBspy. I bet he'd be interested in working on this.
I have no words for this.
Nice job guys! I'm going to post this on www.blacksharkstudios.com! BSS might help a little!
awesome
WHY MUST YOU FIX BLUE HELL, FUNNIEST PART OF ALL RENEGADE
MUDKIPS wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 15:29 WHY MUST YOU FIX BLUE HELL, FUNNIEST PART OF ALL RENEGADE What is blue hell anyway?
HeavyX101 wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 12:30 MUDKIPS wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 15:29 WHY MUST YOU FIX BLUE HELL, FUNNIEST PART OF ALL RENEGADE What is blue hell anyway? This is blue hell. Also, I'm glad to hear that something's finally being done again, but I hope that it doesn't take too long to complete. Overall playercount's already extremely down from last summer, and time is not our friend.
HeavyX101 wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 14:30 What is blue hell anyway? You do Renecoding?...
havoc9826 wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 15:33 HeavyX101 wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 12:30 MUDKIPS wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 15:29 WHY MUST YOU FIX BLUE HELL, FUNNIEST PART OF ALL RENEGADE What is blue hell anyway? This is blue hell. Also, I'm glad to hear that something's finally being done again, but I hope that it doesn't take too long to complete. Overall playercount's already extremely down from last summer, and time is not our friend. Oh lol, i got those alot of times, but i didnt know what they were called.
I can't wait until 2011! Seriously though, it looks good.
I asked it at n00bparty and I will ask it again. How the hell our you going to get enough people to download this to get the support you need for EA to auto patch it? The already small player base is going to get split in half. inb4 SK shit storm.
There have been talks with Electronic Arts, and they support this, if the community supports it. This is as simple as it can be.
I am Brims-AFK, multi-term president of the Buttstories community. This small yet bountiful community has been closely following the rene-political sphere and is elated to receive the news of this update. It is with both a proud heart and a cautious spirit that I come here on behalf of this organization to give my full endorsement for Tiberian Technologies. It seems that as we advance into a bold new renefuture we must be unified in our attempts to beat back the haxing aggressors. But with this endorsement also comes a heavy hand of recommendation. There are many issues which still need to be addressed as we take these bold steps forward. Most paramount of these is maintaining the dignity and upholding the identity of the Chem Trooper, a sacred and beloved character unit amongst my electorate. Many times I have felt my pulse racing as I executed an early game chem rush on GDI's infantry barracks. Yet these are dangerous times for the noble chem trooper, and their numbers are fast dwindling in the face of overwhelming hostility by snipers and APCs alike. Another issue of central importance to my community is the absolute necessity of taking the point. In order to achieve total victory, one must be willing to lead the squad into it--Buttstorians have always recognized the power of Alt+2 even among the temptation to Alt+8. For this reason, we urge Tiberian Technologies to take the point. We need the point. We support the pointfix insofar as it discourages the cowardly of act of tanksneirping, or tanksniping as it is known in this region of the renecommunity. You're either with the tanksneirpers or against them, and we stand firmly in opposition to these terrorists and hope that you will join our coalition of the willing in bringing their movement down. Once again, on behalf of the Buttstories community, we wish you best of luck in your endeavours. May your games be chem-filled and hax-free! -President Commodore Rumforger J. Brimsley (Brims-AFK) the Third Esq.
Sooo.... anyone contact EA yet? Think they'll support the project or ignore us?
mac wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 22:05 There have been talks with Electronic Arts, and they support this, if the community supports it. This is as simple as it can be. That answers your question, doesn't it?
mac already said that EA supports it if the rest of community supports it. Also, I CAME.
Ahh didn't read that far down, thnx. But how can they tell "if the community support it"? Of course anyone who cares about Renegade surviving will support it so... Would they be looking for anything specific?
I'd think a huge topic with alot of ideas and stuff like "I support!" would be a good idea. But yeah, I don't see why anyone wouldn't support it. VERY nice guys. Glad that Renegade will finally be getting a patch. I think this is one of the few games, if not one of the ONLY games, to actually have a patch years after the company that made it was dropped, and also years after its release. You all deserve a cookie
Caveman wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 19:53 And this built in anti cheat is what exactly? So like anyone gonna answer this or what?
Caveman wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 16:50 Caveman wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 19:53 And this built in anti cheat is what exactly? So like anyone gonna answer this or what? Yes it is, Crimson said it!
Magnificent! I knew in some form or another that it was going to be "Core Patch 3", but the unification of the greatest Renegade coders of all time is an extremely pleasant surprise. I have a question though, will all these wonderful engine fixes be available in the popular mods around it? Red Alert: A Path Beyond, Red Alert 2: Apocalypse Rising, Command & Conquer: Reborn, and other mods such as the Dune Mod and Rise of Apocalypse? What about the shaders? Can you reveal anything on these?
TruYuri wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 16:53 I have a question though, will all these wonderful engine fixes be available in the popular mods around it? Red Alert: A Path Beyond, Red Alert 2: Apocalypse Rising, Command & Conquer: Reborn, and other mods such as the Dune Mod and Rise of Apocalypse? What about the shaders? Can you reveal anything on these? That's a definite yes. All new engine bugfixes and features can and will be used in all the popular mods, since scripts.dll still is and will always be open source. I'm sure Saberhawk will shed some light into the new shader stuff we've been doing for the past few months..
hmm, I hope with the new patch Renegade will still work on my shitty computer lol I've been using scripts 2.9.2 because I've been avoiding shaders.
mac wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 15:56 TruYuri wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 16:53 I have a question though, will all these wonderful engine fixes be available in the popular mods around it? Red Alert: A Path Beyond, Red Alert 2: Apocalypse Rising, Command & Conquer: Reborn, and other mods such as the Dune Mod and Rise of Apocalypse? What about the shaders? Can you reveal anything on these? That's a definite yes. All new engine bugfixes and features can and will be used in all the popular mods, since scripts.dll still is and will always be open source. I'm sure Saberhawk will shed some light into the new shader stuff we've been doing for the past few months.. Beautiful. I figured some of the changes were in the .exe itself, so it would have been slightly difficult to apply these fixes. I'm all for it! As a member of Bluehell Productions staff this means alot. EDIT: I can't wait for a full changelist. I love this shit.
HeavyX101 wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 21:51 Caveman wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 16:50 Caveman wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 19:53 And this built in anti cheat is what exactly? So like anyone gonna answer this or what? Yes it is, Crimson said it! Dude you make no sense, its not a question for you to answer so dont attempt to...
Caveman wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 17:03 HeavyX101 wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 21:51 Caveman wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 16:50 Caveman wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 19:53 And this built in anti cheat is what exactly? So like anyone gonna answer this or what? Yes it is, Crimson said it! Dude you make no sense, its not a question for you to answer so dont attempt to... Sorry then
I hope the new anti cheat will be in bhs.dll? As an open source anti cheat might not be the best thing to have?
Surprised and intrigued. Can't wait to find out more.
StealthEye wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 16:32 mac wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 22:05 There have been talks with Electronic Arts, and they support this, if the community supports it. This is as simple as it can be. That answers your question, doesn't it? Actually that is totally worthless. What I want to know is how your going to get the community to support this so that EA will do it. Here is how this plays out, you have all these servers on board which is sweet. Then you have a player base where about 30% of the players download this. Lets face it this isn't going to get any better of attention or downloads than Renguard, maps or anything else. After a little while servers like Jelly get sick of running at 30% capacity and switch back to the non TT renegade. You are also going to have people that are going to provide servers based on non TT Renegade to fill the gap where the big players like Jelly and N00bstories were for that other 70%. That is a situation EA wants nothing to do with ... assuming they actually intend to follow through on their word. Which to present everyone on your team knows hasn't happened. Of course I'm just picking easy numbers and using Jelly as an example based on their history with things like Renguard.
luv2pb, I hope that this patch will be backwards compatible with the normal Renegade. What I mean is that both people with and without the patch should be able to join a server but only people with the patch get the new fixes. A bit like RR is now, so I do think it is possible .
I'm pretty sure RenGuard is a well known thing to EA and whatnot. Infact, I'd go far enough to say it's incredibly well known by now. TT Patch will more than likely get the same attention, if not more. Naturally though, it just needs a push. As it stands, most of the important people seem to support it. Give it a few weeks, and it'll be supported by those who want it. Which I'm sure is most of the Renegade community.
can't wait to see how many people get shit overnight.
Goztow wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 17:41 luv2pb, I hope that this patch will be backwards compatible with the normal Renegade. What I mean is that both people with and without the patch should be able to join a server but only people with the patch get the new fixes. A bit like RR is now, so I do think it is possible . I disagree. I think the best way for this to work is not allowing the player to connect to XWIS without the patch, and for that we need EA to support us officially.
Clown wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 23:53 Goztow wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 17:41 luv2pb, I hope that this patch will be backwards compatible with the normal Renegade. What I mean is that both people with and without the patch should be able to join a server but only people with the patch get the new fixes. A bit like RR is now, so I do think it is possible . I disagree. I think the best way for this to work is not allowing the player to connect to XWIS without the patch, and for that we need EA to support us officially. If all goes well this would be send to EVERYONE playing renegade. Or at the least, all XWIS players.
As long as you got BlackIntel, failure is not going to happen.
EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 00:02 Clown wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 23:53 Goztow wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 17:41 luv2pb, I hope that this patch will be backwards compatible with the normal Renegade. What I mean is that both people with and without the patch should be able to join a server but only people with the patch get the new fixes. A bit like RR is now, so I do think it is possible . I disagree. I think the best way for this to work is not allowing the player to connect to XWIS without the patch, and for that we need EA to support us officially. If all goes well this would be send to EVERYONE playing renegade. Or at the least, all XWIS players. What Luv2 and me mean is that during beta stage, you'll have players with and without this patch.
This is really unexpected and brilliant news. I hope enough people show support for EA to let you patch the game through XWIS. That would be so awesome and a triumph for the dedicated community that has kept Renegade alive all this time
I sense fail already. This is all good and shit, but EA is EA and I douth they be interested, you can talk to them all you like, but when it comes to the real work, they will forgot about it.
EA already has a history of using fan-made patches when the community supports it and the patch itself is rock-solid. In fact, higher standards than their own patches have to fulfill. We don't intend to split up the community with this patch. That's why I have always been (silently) opposed to certain projects where a team is trying to re-make Renegade in another engine with the futile hope that everyone will abandon the old one. As I said before, we are learning from our old mistakes (such as those we made with RenGuard's release) and trying to do it much better this time around now that we are armed with boatloads more experience and knowledge.
EA always helps the community when it comes to stuff like this... especially the C&C community. It is like their baby. (Adopted baby because they couldn't have one of their own) I support this, it is pretty cool down on paper... but I am still confused on how you're going to start the entire community on this thing. Face it, this is an old game and for all the new players out there none of them could be bothered to download a 3rd party download for something they just felt like installing to see what it's like. Renguard is good, but I know many, MANY people who disapprove of it and refuse to download it. If one person doesn't like something, then chances are their opinion will spread to other people. Your going to have a faction in the working Renegade community that has no idea about what is going on. If you guys can somehow get EA to add an autopatcher in an official patch for Renegade that simply institutes TT members the ability to patch the game when they feel is right, then that would be insane... but I don't see that happening. Also: Quote: New feature on vehicles that calculate damage points based on last occupant What does that mean?
Do you think this is BCPT worthy? (Apoc's community corner? Or blog?)
Definitely. Just announce it on PCNC or CNCNZ and it'll be on Apoc's corner momentarily.
Would you guys add my Serverside Gate and Door Script to the .dll? or is it in already?
And add my serial stealer script .dll to it as well..... BTW, does this little group have a website?
To answer Cavemans question, the anticheat consists of several parts. Part of it is improved (because we can also make clientside changes) BIATCH/RR code. Besides that theres a few extra things that weren't possible to do on the server side only. I won't go deep into it now since its not all finished yet (although alot is finished though) so things might still change. And WTF is this about?: DrasticDR wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 01:02 Thank fuck you didn't get your hands on the source code.
Goztow wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 16:41 luv2pb, I hope that this patch will be backwards compatible with the normal Renegade. What I mean is that both people with and without the patch should be able to join a server but only people with the patch get the new fixes. A that would actually make this whole idea fail. Look at the current state of renguard, CP1, CP2 and scripts.dll .. there is no mandatory level aside from the renegade patch from westwoods ftp. ( Renegade_1037_English.exe ) For these patches, fixes, anticheats to be a success a mandatory, forced upgrade to play in the online games is a must. Otherwise servers will lack players, multiple versions of updates, lack of forced anticheat, and so many other issues like map autodownloader. This is why they need the community behind them, so EA takes notice and agrees to release it as an official, forced patch much like the Renegade 1037 update. If this happens, renegade would finally be at a level playing field in all of the servers when it comes to fixes and anticheats.
Ghostshaw wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 19:48 And WTF is this about?: DrasticDR wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 01:02 Thank fuck you didn't get your hands on the source code. It is common belief that if the community got their hands on the source code Renegade would be ruined because cheaters would run around everywhere with overwhelming power.
Speedy059 wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 18:46 And add my serial stealer script .dll to it as well..... BTW, does this little group have a website? www.renegadeforums.com :o
BlueThen wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 20:23 Speedy059 wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 18:46 And add my serial stealer script .dll to it as well..... BTW, does this little group have a website? www.renegadeforums.com I think he meant a separate site like how RenGuard does.
Well this is pretty kickass I can't wait to see the new patch If this is spread enough we could have more players playing Renegade again in no time
{SB}Lone0001 wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 20:35 Well this is pretty kickass I can't wait to see the new patch If this is spread enough we could have more players playing Renegade again in no time In march 2006, when i bought cnc TFD, there were over 1000 people online at Westwood online. But when cnc 3 got released, there were only like 400 people playing. I have a friend that hs renegade but i cant ****** make him play it, that is how they hate it. For example, blackhand101 doesnt play it too because it has bad graphics. I hope the person/people that made the BHS.dll options could make better graphics and more good stuff. I want to thanks those people that made TT up. YOU GUYS ROCK!
I'm sure most of you would agree that a public source code release would spell the end of Renegade and I would rather see no one get the source code if it meant it would be easily accessible.
Maybe if they released.. a limited amount of the source? I don't know, any way of making Renegade more flexible and moddable sounds fine to me.
Quote: We don't intend to split up the community with this patch. That's why I have always been (silently) opposed to certain projects where a team is trying to re-make Renegade in another engine with the futile hope that everyone will abandon the old one. No idea how you can back this notion, as I've never said any of this, and as it is clearly an attack on Renegade X. The reality is, I'm a Renegade person first, UT3 person second. I support TT and look forward with what you guys will be doing with Core Patch 3. Don't forget that I've been in the Renegade community just as long as you have (been playing since the demo), and have worked on more W3D projects than most modders in this community. Criticize all you want, Renegade X has never ever wanted everyone to abandon W3D. On the contrary, we released some model replacements for C&C Renegade, and have a surprise coming up that will benefit the C&C Renegade community specifically. We are merely an exonerated mod that wants to bring C&C mode to more people who have never even heard of it. You know just as well as I do that no mod and no game will kill Renegade on W3D anytime soon. Hope you understand.
HeavyX101 wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 19:41 I hope the person/people that made the BHS.dll options could make better graphics and more good stuff. How about shaders, normal, and specular maps eh?
Great news about the patch, can't wait for it.
HeavyX101 wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 20:41 {SB}Lone0001 wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 20:35 Well this is pretty kickass I can't wait to see the new patch If this is spread enough we could have more players playing Renegade again in no time In march 2006, when i bought cnc TFD, there were over 1000 people online at Westwood online. But when cnc 3 got released, there were only like 400 people playing. I have a friend that hs renegade but i cant ****** make him play it, that is how they hate it. For example, blackhand101 doesnt play it too because it has bad graphics. I hope the person/people that made the BHS.dll options could make better graphics and more good stuff. I want to thanks those people that made TT up. YOU GUYS ROCK! What is with all you people and graphics these days! Graphics do not make a game the overall gameplay make a game Take Super Mario Brothers for example most people still enjoy that game for the gameplay and don't give a shit about the graphics. [/rant]
Goztow wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 18:27 EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 00:02 Clown wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 23:53 Goztow wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 17:41 luv2pb, I hope that this patch will be backwards compatible with the normal Renegade. What I mean is that both people with and without the patch should be able to join a server but only people with the patch get the new fixes. A bit like RR is now, so I do think it is possible . I disagree. I think the best way for this to work is not allowing the player to connect to XWIS without the patch, and for that we need EA to support us officially. If all goes well this would be send to EVERYONE playing renegade. Or at the least, all XWIS players. What Luv2 and me mean is that during beta stage, you'll have players with and without this patch. From what I know from Crim and from reading all this it isn't backwards compatible. So I'm back to my original question. How are you going to get the full support you need from the community for EA to support this?
Although it'd be nice to have better graphics, it doesn't need it. Besides, Renegade is like the latest game I can play on my computer without a buttload of lag...
This Patch looks nice, about time for some updates lol, good job guys.
{SB}Lone0001 wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 20:12 Graphics do not make a game the overall gameplay make a game Bullshit.
Sir Kane wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 18:42 {SB}Lone0001 wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 20:12 Graphics do not make a game the overall gameplay make a game Bullshit. I call bullshit on your bullshit:) ~Zack
Sir Kane wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 21:42 {SB}Lone0001 wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 20:12 Graphics do not make a game the overall gameplay make a game Bullshit. And you would be one of the people involved in the people I'm talking about a game is nothing without gameplay. A game has awesome graphics but innovative or fun gameplay is missing will anyone play it, no(I wouldn't). A game has fun gameplay but not the best graphics or not the most recent but decent and acceptable(Renegade) will anyone play that? I don't know about you but if it were me sure I would give it a go. And Renegade is an excellent example of the above statement.
Graphics aren't an over-all necessity, however, it does help out a lot when it comes to promotions and stuff like that.
Awesome! Can't wait! But I have a request. Seeing as the anti-cheats will probably disable any objects.ddb files, can we only have it enabled on Multiplayer games?
Not to rush you or be an annoyance of any sort, but will we be able to see a list of what has been fixed/changed anytime soon? Of course, this list would exclude all things that you want to remain hidden for the time being.
luv2pb wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 18:13 Goztow wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 18:27 EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 00:02 Clown wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 23:53 Goztow wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 17:41 luv2pb, I hope that this patch will be backwards compatible with the normal Renegade. What I mean is that both people with and without the patch should be able to join a server but only people with the patch get the new fixes. A bit like RR is now, so I do think it is possible . I disagree. I think the best way for this to work is not allowing the player to connect to XWIS without the patch, and for that we need EA to support us officially. If all goes well this would be send to EVERYONE playing renegade. Or at the least, all XWIS players. What Luv2 and me mean is that during beta stage, you'll have players with and without this patch. From what I know from Crim and from reading all this it isn't backwards compatible. So I'm back to my original question. How are you going to get the full support you need from the community for EA to support this? We've gone through a few options but I believe we'll be creating a sort of test environment with test servers and schedule events around playing on these other servers so that bugs can be found and worked out. I know I'm not the only one who runs more than one server so one can be temporarily donated to this project and mobilized and motivated testers can run our fixes through the wringer and try to find any bugs that need to be addressed.
[NE Fobby[GEN] wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 20:53] Quote: We don't intend to split up the community with this patch. That's why I have always been (silently) opposed to certain projects where a team is trying to re-make Renegade in another engine with the futile hope that everyone will abandon the old one. No idea how you can back this notion, as I've never said any of this, and as it is clearly an attack on Renegade X. The reality is, I'm a Renegade person first, UT3 person second. I support TT and look forward with what you guys will be doing with Core Patch 3. Don't forget that I've been in the Renegade community just as long as you have (been playing since the demo), and have worked on more W3D projects than most modders in this community. Criticize all you want, Renegade X has never ever wanted everyone to abandon W3D. On the contrary, we released some model replacements for C&C Renegade, and have a surprise coming up that will benefit the C&C Renegade community specifically. We are merely an exonerated mod that wants to bring C&C mode to more people who have never even heard of it. You know just as well as I do that no mod and no game will kill Renegade on W3D anytime soon. Hope you understand. Get em fibby
This is magnificent!
I agree strongly with {SB}Lone0001. The most important elements to a game in my oppinion are storyline & gameplay (not always in that order). Graphics always come 3th for me, why? Because graphics alone don't make a good/great game. I agree that nice graphics make a game sell well and benefit advertisement, but in the end the quality & lifespan of a game come from a fine balance between these 3 factors, and graphics doesn't always add as strongly to the outcome. And in the end what matters most for a game is how long people will remember it and play it. (which gives an indication to the quality of a game). I prefer a game with a good balance between storyline & gameplay anytime over a game with good (even awesome) graphics. But ofcours that doesn't mean I don't enjoy or praise good graphics Look at pong or pacman, how old it that game? And I'm sure it's still as popular as ever (if not even more, given other games based on this one). The later one is even getting a movie of it's own
May I say that that is a lot of message's for two day's?
Ok ghost thanks for clearing that up. I just wanted to know if we were getting RenGuard 1.4 but renamed or something completely new. Don't necessary need the in's and out's of it.
Crimson, aren't you like the owner of Black Hand Studios? Who not use THAT for this? it would make more sense.
Ryu wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 12:01 Crimson, aren't you like the owner of Black Hand Studios? Who not use THAT for this? it would make more sense. TT is the combination of forces of more than just 1 community or whatever you want to call it. For this reason, it makes sense to use a different name, as not everyone is BHS member.
EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 11:20 Ryu wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 12:01 Crimson, aren't you like the owner of Black Hand Studios? Who not use THAT for this? it would make more sense. TT is the combination of forces of more than just 1 community or whatever you want to call it. For this reason, it makes sense to use a different name, as not everyone is BHS member. but you could be.
Tanya A. wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 03:19 I agree strongly with {SB}Lone0001. The most important elements to a game in my oppinion are storyline & gameplay (not always in that order). Graphics always come 3th for me, why? Because graphics alone don't make a good/great game. I agree that nice graphics make a game sell well and benefit advertisement, but in the end the quality & lifespan of a game come from a fine balance between these 3 factors, and graphics doesn't always add as strongly to the outcome. And in the end what matters most for a game is how long people will remember it and play it. (which gives an indication to the quality of a game). I prefer a game with a good balance between storyline & gameplay anytime over a game with good (even awesome) graphics. But ofcours that doesn't mean I don't enjoy or praise good graphics Look at pong or pacman, how old it that game? And I'm sure it's still as popular as ever (if not even more, given other games based on this one). The later one is even getting a movie of it's own Well said
There is one thing I would like to see fixed I dont know if it is possible. In the time of scripts 3.0 there has been said they would fix the stairs that. Now if you drive a vehicle in a stair it will get stuck. I hope it is fixable
Wow i'm impressed, modders coming together to benefit the ren community as a whole? Perhaps we may now see some decent things come out of all this.
Ghostshaw wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 07:21 Reaver you mean ladders? I think so. Could you guys fix the .pkg Zero bug please? because always when i play RP2 i get Zero bug on every server
Ghostshaw wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 14:21 Reaver you mean ladders? My bad. I ment ladders.
I'm glad to see this Anti-cheat features are always great! Does this have a public IRC channel where proposals and ideas can be given on as well as questions can be asked?