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Dole
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description: Someone said this in college today, and I had to totally agree with them. Dispite the fact that being on the dole isn't good for society. When you're on the dole, everything is paid for. You get a house, food and could probably run a small car. When you have a job, even though you're earning money. You spend about 8 hours a day earning that money and it's not easy. You have to pay for: food, bills, your house (mortgage), your car (to get to work) and everything is taxed. The government takes all your money away from you and you're struggling to pay for essentials. While you're struggling, the people on the dole are doing jack all have no worries. So what's better? Living on the couch, going out for a drink with some freinds? or working 8 hours a day and worrying about money all the time.
creator: jnz
date: 2008-05-21T18:15:54-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: our benefits system is just disgraceful tbh... but then our entire economic policy is downright absurd.
creator: Spoony
date: 2008-05-21T18:25:38-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: You couldn't be more wrong. Being on dole does NOT give you a house or a flat nor does it give you food and it sure as hell isn't going to pay for you to run a small car. I'd quite happily trade places with someone who is working 8 hours a day for being on the dole. When you're are on the dole you're not just lazing around doing fuck all that I can assure you off. You clearly need to do some more research.
creator: Caveman
date: 2008-05-21T18:26:43-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: there's housing benefits you can claim. you wouldn't be able to afford to run a car these days though, I expect... unless my description of the benefits system was an understatement, which it quite likely is.
creator: Spoony
date: 2008-05-21T18:28:00-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: I do know a few people on the dole with the same circumstances as i discribed.
creator: jnz
date: 2008-05-21T18:34:32-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: I am on the dole and the money I recieve each week JUST about covers my food for that week, it sure as hell doesn't pay for a house nor a car or even a ped for that matter. If you already have a flat and then you go on the dole the government will pay the rent otherwise you'd be homeless wouldn't you...And thats just what we need more homeless people. Anyone can apply for a flat but if you're not missing both legs and an arm you will be put on a waiting list which I think is 5 years.. Please do not try and make living on the dole seem like its great because its not. I was much better off when I was working. Atleast then i'd have money to have a few drinks with the lads.
creator: Caveman
date: 2008-05-21T18:42:29-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Caveman wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 13:42 I am on the dole and the money I recieve each week JUST about covers my food for that week, it sure as hell doesn't pay for a house nor a car or even a ped for that matter. If you already have a flat and then you go on the dole the government will pay the rent otherwise you'd be homeless wouldn't you...And thats just what we need more homeless people. Anyone can apply for a flat but if you're not missing both legs and an arm you will be put on a waiting list which I think is 5 years.. Please do not try and make living on the dole seem like its great because its not. I was much better off when I was working. Atleast then i'd have money to have a few drinks with the lads. Plus being ugly doesn't help your cause. Meanwhile I just got my first car, 2001 mercedes-benz C220 ($37,000), n_P.
creator: trooprm02
date: 2008-05-22T00:26:06-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 19:26 Caveman wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 13:42 I am on the dole and the money I recieve each week JUST about covers my food for that week, it sure as hell doesn't pay for a house nor a car or even a ped for that matter. If you already have a flat and then you go on the dole the government will pay the rent otherwise you'd be homeless wouldn't you...And thats just what we need more homeless people. Anyone can apply for a flat but if you're not missing both legs and an arm you will be put on a waiting list which I think is 5 years.. Please do not try and make living on the dole seem like its great because its not. I was much better off when I was working. Atleast then i'd have money to have a few drinks with the lads. Plus being ugly doesn't help your cause. Meanwhile I just my first car, 2001 mercedes-benz C220 ($37,000), n_P. ...you just your car?
creator: BlueThen
date: 2008-05-22T01:06:31-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 17:26 Caveman wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 13:42 I am on the dole and the money I recieve each week JUST about covers my food for that week, it sure as hell doesn't pay for a house nor a car or even a ped for that matter. If you already have a flat and then you go on the dole the government will pay the rent otherwise you'd be homeless wouldn't you...And thats just what we need more homeless people. Anyone can apply for a flat but if you're not missing both legs and an arm you will be put on a waiting list which I think is 5 years.. Please do not try and make living on the dole seem like its great because its not. I was much better off when I was working. Atleast then i'd have money to have a few drinks with the lads. Plus being ugly doesn't help your cause. Meanwhile I just got my first car, 2001 mercedes-benz C220 ($37,000), n_P. I don't like saying this... but you're being a really big b____ by saying that. Ugh, I hate swearing.
creator: Feetseek
date: 2008-05-22T06:32:53-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Some people simply are not able to get work. And there is still a lot discrimination and racism going on in the world. For example when a white guy just like most of us sollicitate for a job and a Arabian or Black guy goes for the job. They will interview the white guy first, after that the black. Lately the arabian are getting discriminated like mad. Looks like we have always have to point @ wellfair. And i though the american system was, when u dont work and hardly educated u can easely go to the ghetto and crack smoke ur life. Tell me when im wrong though. Also the goverment here in holland should open his eyes. In every country there is hunger. EVERYBODY stresses out if there is enough money in the wallet. In my case it was different though, i really had luck that i had a dad that could pay my school and secure my future. Still i have seen a bad example of my mom how to deal with money, good for me i learned from that.
creator: renalpha
date: 2008-05-22T06:47:31-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: You must have bought that Merc by selling private WOW servers, Troop?
creator: Goztow
date: 2008-05-22T06:56:34-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Lmao, look at trooprm02 just deciding to drop in the conversation and brag more about something that's probably not even true. And if it is, he's the only one on the forums to actually care about it. Just go to that link Gozy posted.
creator: TD
date: 2008-05-22T07:05:01-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Spoony wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 19:25 our benefits system is just disgraceful tbh... but then our entire economic policy is downright absurd. disgraceful.. maybe.. keep Britain in the MEDC list? it's needed.
creator: Ryu
date: 2008-05-22T07:57:49-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 01:26 Caveman wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 13:42 I am on the dole and the money I recieve each week JUST about covers my food for that week, it sure as hell doesn't pay for a house nor a car or even a ped for that matter. If you already have a flat and then you go on the dole the government will pay the rent otherwise you'd be homeless wouldn't you...And thats just what we need more homeless people. Anyone can apply for a flat but if you're not missing both legs and an arm you will be put on a waiting list which I think is 5 years.. Please do not try and make living on the dole seem like its great because its not. I was much better off when I was working. Atleast then i'd have money to have a few drinks with the lads. Plus being ugly doesn't help your cause. Meanwhile I just got my first car, 2001 mercedes-benz C220 ($37,000), n_P. Hows your busisness going troop? I'd like a server please.
creator: Caveman
date: 2008-05-22T10:20:37-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Caveman, you ever get fed up filling in them stupid forms that you meant to do to log your job seeking?
creator: IronWarrior
date: 2008-05-22T12:42:28-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: renalpha wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 07:47 Some people simply are not able to get work. And there is still a lot discrimination and racism going on in the world. For example when a white guy just like most of us sollicitate for a job and a Arabian or Black guy goes for the job. They will interview the white guy first, after that the black. Lately the arabian are getting discriminated like mad. In England, it's the other way around. There are no end of examples of white people being turned down for jobs specifically because they're white. still, anyone who physically can't get a job at tesco or asda etc is frankly a sorry individual.
creator: Spoony
date: 2008-05-22T12:52:32-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Spoony wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 07:52 renalpha wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 07:47 Some people simply are not able to get work. And there is still a lot discrimination and racism going on in the world. For example when a white guy just like most of us sollicitate for a job and a Arabian or Black guy goes for the job. They will interview the white guy first, after that the black. Lately the arabian are getting discriminated like mad. In England, it's the other way around. There are no end of examples of white people being turned down for jobs specifically because they're white. still, anyone who physically can't get a job at tesco or asda etc is frankly a sorry individual. There is more to life then working and to be honest who the hell would want to work at Tesco and Asda, that is not work, that is slave work for slave money.
creator: IronWarrior
date: 2008-05-22T13:36:32-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 13:42 Caveman, you ever get fed up filling in them stupid forms that you meant to do to log your job seeking? Filling in the same forms can be quite annoying but it has to be done. RoShamBo - I for one am not laying around doing fuck all I am on work courses to train for the work I am looking to do. I am putting in the same hours on these courses as I would be if I was doing a plain ol 9-5 yet im not getting 5x the money I would be if I was doing work so you tell me what im better off doing... The system has changed within the last year or two.. If you're just sleeping in til 1pm and playing on your playstation all day the job centre will terminate your money for 6months. I am looking for work at the moment while on this course and I have already been threatened that I would lose my money if I don't have a exceptionally good reason as to why im not working. Don't speak of that which you don't know. Just because you know a few people that abuse the system doesn't mean we all do.
creator: Caveman
date: 2008-05-22T14:09:08-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Caveman wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 09:09 IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 13:42 Caveman, you ever get fed up filling in them stupid forms that you meant to do to log your job seeking? Filling in the same forms can be quite annoying but it has to be done. RoShamBo - I for one am not laying around doing fuck all I am on work courses to train for the work I am looking to do. I am putting in the same hours on these courses as I would be if I was doing a plain ol 9-5 yet im not getting 5x the money I would be if I was doing work so you tell me what im better off doing... The system has changed within the last year or two.. If you're just sleeping in til 1pm and playing on your playstation all day the job centre will terminate your money for 6months. I am looking for work at the moment while on this course and I have already been threatened that I would lose my money if I don't have a exceptionally good reason as to why im not working. Don't speak of that which you don't know. Just because you know a few people that abuse the system doesn't mean we all do. That means you been on the jobseekers for about a year then? Because the first 12 months you are not forced to register and join them courses and crap. :s
creator: IronWarrior
date: 2008-05-22T16:03:56-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Troop, you live in Canada, so your opinion on this subject is null and void However, your opinion on the topic we all keep linking to would be appreciated... As for the topic, I dislike the government in general, so anything I say is biased.
creator: CarrierII
date: 2008-05-22T16:59:24-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: In Canada, we essentially have two forms of the 'Dole' : 'Welfare, and 'Employment Insurance' . 'Welfare' or a 'Living Allowance' is pretty much the same thing as the 'Dole' , and is a Provincial jurisdiction. Employment Insurance is the one I like. With 'EI' , as soon as someone gets a job, and is on the payroll, a portion of their weekly, or bi-weekly earnings is sent into a massive fund. When the person loses their job, they get put on EI. Because they have paid into the fund, the money they receive can equal their previous salary, or be a major percentage of what they previously earned. EI lasts for a relatively short time, but enough for someone to find a new job. Once they are back in the workforce, they automatically begin paying into EI again. From what I've seen, EI seems to work very nicely, in that the person is much more motivated to find a new job, because the EI payments will run out in a short time. Life on Welfare is comparatively 'dumpy' , but many people just seem to 'adjust' to it, and know that until the day they die, they'll be getting the same cheque from the government. As our friend Caveman has said, he really can't afford to have a pint with the lads, and that just makes life boring, which in turn can make the person unmotivated to pull themselves out of the rut. With EI, a person will be able to run their vehicle to get around and go for interviews, buy decent food, and still be able to have a beer with the boys. For what it's worth, our federal governement has not paid into the EI program since 1990. Lastly, trooprm02 has no idea what depreciation is, nor does he even know what car he's driving. The 2001 C220 is NOT sold in Canada because it is a CDI. It's likely a C240, and if that's what it is, it's bluebooked for about 12-16K depending on mileage and features. If troop's parents DID pay $37,000 for an seven to eight year old Benz, It'll prove to me that stupidity is indeed hereditary.
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2008-05-22T19:05:30-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 08:36 to be honest who the hell would want to work at Tesco and Asda, that is not work, that is slave work for slave money. someone with enough self-respect not to live off the dole.
creator: Spoony
date: 2008-05-22T20:21:12-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Goztow wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 00:56 You must have bought that Merc by selling private WOW servers, Troop? Werent you the one who said "lets not do that" when someone suggested to spam troopm02 with links?
creator: Herr Surth
date: 2008-05-22T20:36:55-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Surth wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 15:36 Goztow wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 00:56 You must have bought that Merc by selling private WOW servers, Troop? Werent you the one who said "lets not do that" when someone suggested to spam troopm02 with links? No.
creator: Starbuzz
date: 2008-05-22T20:39:29-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Spoony wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 15:21 IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 08:36 to be honest who the hell would want to work at Tesco and Asda, that is not work, that is slave work for slave money. someone with enough self-respect not to live off the dole. Damn, I wouldn't even take dole.
creator: IronWarrior
date: 2008-05-22T20:46:37-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Haha, TD just because you spend 25/8 posting on forums, but sucking at the game the forums are about = no job = you are broke, doesn't mean it isn't true. Thanks for the compliment though, saying its too good to be true when it is, haha. @nikki, only 25,000 KM on it, it was imported from Munich Germany in 2003, and it's crazy upgraded (gps system, 20GB Internal HDD (computer basically), etc). Insurance is gonna be a bitch, but other than that, its good to go, I'll have some pics up if I feel like it.
creator: trooprm02
date: 2008-05-23T01:15:53-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 20:15 @nikki, only 25,000 KM on it, it was imported from Munich Germany in 2003, and it's crazy upgraded (gps system, 20GB Internal HDD (computer basically), etc). Insurance is gonna be a bitch, but other than that, its good to go, I'll have some pics up if I feel like it. If you do have the Diesel, then you're going to love it. The mileage is awesome, and they can go pretty damn fast because of the huge amount of torque that hits the rear wheels.
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2008-05-23T01:34:02-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: THANKS FOR THE CAR DADDY
creator: mrpirate
date: 2008-05-23T02:23:56-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: mrpirate wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 04:23 THANKS FOR THE CAR DADDY i hate ppl who get that
creator: renalpha
date: 2008-05-23T05:39:22-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Surth wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 22:36 Goztow wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 00:56 You must have bought that Merc by selling private WOW servers, Troop? Werent you the one who said "lets not do that" when someone suggested to spam troopm02 with links? Only a fool never changes his opinions! I must say i'm amazed by Troop's force to keep ignoring that topic and to keep up his "goooooooooooooooog game k tx bye w/e" attitude! Kudos to troop!
creator: Goztow
date: 2008-05-23T06:41:25-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 02:15 Haha, TD just because you spend 25/8 posting on forums, but sucking at the game the forums are about = no job = you are broke, doesn't mean it isn't true. Thanks for the compliment though, saying its too good to be true when it is, haha. @nikki, only 25,000 KM on it, it was imported from Munich Germany in 2003, and it's crazy upgraded (gps system, 20GB Internal HDD (computer basically), etc). Insurance is gonna be a bitch, but other than that, its good to go, I'll have some pics up if I feel like it. Troop you're too pr0 man just look at all theses 1v1 didges Iron - About 6months now, I am not forced to do these courses I am doing them to train myself for the work im looking to do. I can stop them at anytime.
creator: Caveman
date: 2008-05-23T06:49:19-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: mrpirate wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 21:23 THANKS FOR THE CAR DADDY Just because im not some poor ass collage student who lives in a shithole (ive seen pics, ill post em tonight) doesn't mean other people can't have nice things just because you can't afford em.
creator: trooprm02
date: 2008-05-23T12:21:34-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: I think the dole should only be allowed to those who cannot physically work. Why should I pay for someone else's wellbeing?
creator: cnc95fan
date: 2008-05-23T12:45:29-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 13:21 mrpirate wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 21:23 THANKS FOR THE CAR DADDY Just because im not some poor ass collage student who lives in a shithole (ive seen pics, ill post em tonight) doesn't mean other people can't have nice things just because you can't afford em. Things like pirated WOW servers?
creator: CarrierII
date: 2008-05-23T13:35:15-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: cnc95fan wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 14:45 I think the dole should only be allowed to those who cannot physically work. Why should I pay for someone else's wellbeing? You're 16 years old. Your parents get money from the state for raising you. How is that different?
creator: Goztow
date: 2008-05-23T13:39:50-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: It ends when you turn 16 here. Either way, if I go to a shop and buy somthing, I still pay tax for those who take the dole. When I work in the summer, I get at least the minimum wage of €8.15 an hour, and charged at least 20% on that, though I will be earning somewhat 15-20, that percentage will still rise up, largly..
creator: cnc95fan
date: 2008-05-23T14:06:49-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: collage
creator: mrpirate
date: 2008-05-23T15:48:32-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: mrpirate wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 10:48 collage
creator: sadukar09
date: 2008-05-23T19:21:44-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Look at this ugly, poor piece of shit, and your rebuttal is a spelling mistake? lmfaoo, pretty good!
creator: trooprm02
date: 2008-05-23T19:33:53-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: college is correct where I come from.
creator: jnz
date: 2008-05-23T20:01:41-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 14:33 Look at this ugly, poor piece of shit, and your rebuttal is a spelling mistake? lmfaoo, pretty good! He looks better than you tbh.
creator: sadukar09
date: 2008-05-23T20:03:35-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: RoShamBo wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 15:01 college is correct where I come from. His post says "collage".
creator: Ethenal
date: 2008-05-23T20:30:49-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: So what if you got a benz, I have a 66 plymouth barracuda which in 2 years will be worth more than your stupid mercedes. btw its worth 12,000 as a slightly junky looking car.
creator: Muad Dib15
date: 2008-05-23T20:35:53-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Ethenal wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 21:30 RoShamBo wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 15:01 college is correct where I come from. His post says "collage".
creator: jnz
date: 2008-05-23T22:03:15-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: fix'd
creator: DarkDemin
date: 2008-05-24T01:15:33-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: cnc95fan wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 08:45 I think the dole should only be allowed to those who cannot physically or mentally work. Why should I pay for someone else's wellbeing?
creator: T0RN
date: 2008-05-24T01:28:53-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: if canada's anything like britain, every student lives in unenviable accommodation - the cool thing is the student lifestyle teaches you as much about economy management than your course will teach you about whatever you're studying. so calling a student "poor" is just... dense.
creator: Spoony
date: 2008-05-24T03:24:29-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 20:33 Look at this ugly, poor piece of shit, and your rebuttal is a spelling mistake? lmfaoo, pretty good! but you still live with your parents so.. who's dignity is at stake? the plot thickens.
creator: Ryu
date: 2008-05-24T04:27:49-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Could we maybe get back onto topic here?
creator: Caveman
date: 2008-05-24T11:12:39-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: ye lULz u Guy2 R4pe T0p1Cz h4Rd LOLOLOL #$#$ nuBs
creator: renalpha
date: 2008-05-24T11:49:36-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Ryu wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 14:27 trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 20:33 Look at this ugly, poor piece of shit, and your rebuttal is a spelling mistake? lmfaoo, pretty good! but you still live with your parents so.. who's dignity is at stake? the plot thickens. Im 17, not 25 like cheesesoda or w/e, And I already got my own home, moving in August 25th of this year (when I get back from my EU trip this summer). Its in the burbs, single 2 story home, valued at over $255,000 US. I got accepted to law school (ottawau, criminology, 4 year honors degree) with a scholarship, so I think Spoony's asumption is a dangerous one to make.
creator: trooprm02
date: 2008-05-24T23:06:21-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Spoony wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 22:24 if canada's anything like britain, every student lives in unenviable accommodation - the cool thing is the student lifestyle teaches you as much about economy management than your course will teach you about whatever you're studying. so calling a student "poor" is just... dense. OSAP only gives the students *just* enough to support them during the school year, nothing extra. Most student have the part time jobs in order to go out, even pay for about 25%-50% of living (includes food, gas, etc). Basically it is, the government is helping oyu half way, but it is upto yourself to get all the way. About all these posts who has what, who can do what, who cares. Good for you if you have something. People, just remember one thing (and it is true for 90% of cases). Those who have, don't say. Those who don't have, embellishes.
creator: gkl21
date: 2008-05-24T23:19:55-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Come to think of it. Since when are college scholars and such ever right about anything that happens in the real world?
creator: bisen11
date: 2008-05-25T03:48:04-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 18:06 so I think Spoony's asumption is a dangerous one to make. sorry, which assumption?
creator: Spoony
date: 2008-05-25T06:44:47-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Spoony wrote on Sun, 25 May 2008 07:44 trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 18:06 so I think Spoony's asumption is a dangerous one to make. sorry, which assumption? I think he means the one were you said something like "teaches you about economy control" but I don't think that was an assumption, more of a guess, right?
creator: Ryu
date: 2008-05-25T07:01:52-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Although being generally conservative, I am a proponent of free post-secondary education (providing the student attains proper grades, etc). My country pisses away so much cash into stupid ventures that would be better spent on future workforces. It might even lead to governments that don't suck. I've found that students who take out government loans, work part-time, etc. to pay for their schooling are much better employees at my workplace. As well, I manage a couple apartment buildings, and they also make for better tenants. I think the lack of 'sheltering' is the reason, as they had to learn how to use their heads, and are much more in touch with the real world.
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2008-05-25T08:39:36-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: In Belgium, post graduate education costs the parents about 500 € per year inscription money if you odn't have any post graduate degrees yet. The rest is sponsored by the government. On top of this you can get scholarship to cover most surrounding costs, like books, transport, ... I think it's a good system to give everyone a fair chance at getting a degree.
creator: Goztow
date: 2008-05-25T08:49:03-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Spoony wrote on Sun, 25 May 2008 01:44 trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 18:06 so I think Spoony's asumption is a dangerous one to make. sorry, which assumption? That student like means "money management". That is true in the US (most of the time), since tuition is about $20,000/year, but everywhere else (I dont know about UK) it is reasonable, here in canada its only about $6,000. But the osap thing greg is talking about, that only applies to low income families who already are listed on a government assistance plan so...
creator: trooprm02
date: 2008-05-25T13:01:44-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: nikki6ixx wrote on Sun, 25 May 2008 03:39 Although being generally conservative, I am a proponent of free post-secondary education (providing the student attains proper grades, etc). My country pisses away so much cash into stupid ventures that would be better spent on future workforces. It might even lead to governments that don't suck. I've found that students who take out government loans, work part-time, etc. to pay for their schooling are much better employees at my workplace. As well, I manage a couple apartment buildings, and they also make for better tenants. I think the lack of 'sheltering' is the reason, as they had to learn how to use their heads, and are much more in touch with the real world. Let's vote for the Communist party next time.
creator: sadukar09
date: 2008-05-25T14:00:22-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Sun, 25 May 2008 08:01 Spoony wrote on Sun, 25 May 2008 01:44 trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 18:06 so I think Spoony's asumption is a dangerous one to make. sorry, which assumption? That student like means "money management". That is true in the US (most of the time), since tuition is about $20,000/year, but everywhere else (I dont know about UK) it is reasonable, here in canada its only about $6,000. But the osap thing greg is talking about, that only applies to low income families who already are listed on a government assistance plan so... Not sure which schools you've been to, but it's 2.3k to 20k (even 30k) per year for courses... All depends on a college or university setting... The OSAP is not for low income families only either...
creator: gkl21
date: 2008-05-25T20:25:34-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: gkl21 wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 19:19 Spoony wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 22:24 if canada's anything like britain, every student lives in unenviable accommodation - the cool thing is the student lifestyle teaches you as much about economy management than your course will teach you about whatever you're studying. so calling a student "poor" is just... dense. OSAP only gives the students *just* enough to support them during the school year, nothing extra. Most student have the part time jobs in order to go out, even pay for about 25%-50% of living (includes food, gas, etc). Basically it is, the government is helping oyu half way, but it is upto yourself to get all the way. About all these posts who has what, who can do what, who cares. Good for you if you have something. People, just remember one thing (and it is true for 90% of cases). Those who have, don't say. Those who don't have, embellishes. OSAP is retarded. My girlfriend had to use it this year, it paid for her school and books but part of the agreement of taking OSAP (in her case) was the amount of money she could make during the school year. It ended up causing more problems than it was worth. Her living conditions changed early on and that may have been the problem. Anyways, college is pretty cheap here and most people can afford it as long as they're living at home.
creator: Homey
date: 2008-05-26T01:52:20-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: gkl21 wrote on Sun, 25 May 2008 15:25 trooprm02 wrote on Sun, 25 May 2008 08:01 Spoony wrote on Sun, 25 May 2008 01:44 trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 18:06 so I think Spoony's asumption is a dangerous one to make. sorry, which assumption? That student like means "money management". That is true in the US (most of the time), since tuition is about $20,000/year, but everywhere else (I dont know about UK) it is reasonable, here in canada its only about $6,000. But the osap thing greg is talking about, that only applies to low income families who already are listed on a government assistance plan so... Not sure which schools you've been to, but it's 2.3k to 20k (even 30k) per year for courses... All depends on a college or university setting... The OSAP is not for low income families only either... Check the OSAP website for "conditions to apply". I had aa seminar on it, and was told it was for families with kids going to college/uni that made under X ammount/year, or something like that. For tuition fee's, im strictly talking tuition. Board makes it 2x, but even Canada's top school's (queens,macgill, etc) are under $7,500/year.
creator: trooprm02
date: 2008-05-26T15:10:59-00:00

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description: I know what the system is, and it's bullshit. Not all conditions have to be met .. i've been threw it already, and didn't go back for my last 2 years of schooling on OSAP... What you have been told, and what I have done seem to be totally two different things...
creator: gkl21
date: 2008-05-26T20:30:21-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Im just going offer their website, under "conditions to apply". Either way, tuition is no way $30,000/year for a single uni in Canada. I'll easily put money on that, Ive looked around.
creator: trooprm02
date: 2008-05-26T21:22:51-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Mon, 26 May 2008 16:22 Im just going offer their website, under "conditions to apply". Either way, tuition is no way $30,000/year for a single uni in Canada. I'll easily put money on that, Ive looked around. Try looking at double majoring. It does apply as one in that case
creator: gkl21
date: 2008-05-26T22:13:12-00:00

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description: http://www.craterofdiamondsstatepark.com/
creator: Starbuzz
date: 2008-05-26T22:32:54-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 19:06 Ryu wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 14:27 trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 20:33 Look at this ugly, poor piece of shit, and your rebuttal is a spelling mistake? lmfaoo, pretty good! but you still live with your parents so.. who's dignity is at stake? the plot thickens. Im 17, not 25 like cheesesoda or w/e, And I already got my own home, moving in August 25th of this year (when I get back from my EU trip this summer). Its in the burbs, single 2 story home, valued at over $255,000 US. I got accepted to law school (ottawau, criminology, 4 year honors degree) with a scholarship, so I think Spoony's asumption is a dangerous one to make. Best of luck in Criminology, but it might be useful to figure out what law school is before you start telling people you attend it. Also, please stop bragging about things your parents have bought you. My parents have money too; one of the things that you will hopefully figure out at school is that no one gives a shit how rich daddy is, and going on about it makes you seem like a giant fag. Finally, since you weren't satisfied with my response of "collage," let me say this: - I am not poor. - Yeah I lived in a shithole. The student ghetto at Queen's University is extremely run down. This is not my personal problem; anyway, it means that you can fuck around and not worry about damaging the beautiful house mommy and daddy bought. - I am no longer a student as I've just graduated. - Oh no, you said I'm ugly Enjoy Ottawa U. With any luck you'll grow up a bit. EDIT: As far as tuition is concerned, at Queen's my tuition was about $8000 this year, but I was in Engineering. I think tuition for an art sci student was more like $4500.
creator: mrpirate
date: 2008-05-27T21:58:42-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Out of curiosity which neighbourhood did you buy your "house".
creator: nope.avi
date: 2008-05-27T22:02:25-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: I got a scholorship so im saving money in that sense, I only had a job when it was winter (snowboarding), nor do I need one. OttawaU isn't cheap, but im not doing a double major. Just need to get good grades to try for LSAT'S in 3rd year to get accepted to law school, $60,000 starting salary first year out.
creator: trooprm02
date: 2008-05-30T05:29:54-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: I dunno about that $60,000 starting figure... but even then, the work required is grueling. Being a legal assistant, and essentially being a go-for for another lawyer is not the easiest job out there. I used to have a couple tenants that came out with a law degree, and half the time they didn't use their suites because they were always out at night researching cases.
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2008-05-30T06:58:42-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: I don't plan to work too much, I already have some pretty cool connections to people who run their own firms, so I already basically have a job the second I finish school (and a reserved spot for my apprenticeship in 3rd year). And with most canadian firms, base salary is $60,000/year based on certain requirements, but either way ive already looked into all of this.
creator: trooprm02
date: 2008-05-30T14:22:47-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 30 May 2008 15:22 I don't plan to work too much, I already have some pretty cool connections to people who run their own firms, so I already basically have a job the second I finish school (and a reserved spot for my apprenticeship in 3rd year). And with most canadian firms, base salary is $60,000/year based on certain requirements, but either way ive already looked into all of this. apprenticeships are rare now, there like gold dust, and only contracted builder firms do them now (plumbing, plastering etc) it's not very common for other places to do them.
creator: Ryu
date: 2008-05-30T14:41:32-00:00

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description: cnc95fan wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 14:45 I think the dole should only be allowed to those who cannot physically work. Why should I pay for someone else's wellbeing? Maybe because some people can't get a job? And they still need money to survive, so if they can't get money legally they will acquire it illegally, through murdering you and stealing your belongings for example. The idea behind social welfare is to make sure the poor stay out of crime. In Netherland this isn't needed because the jails are 3-star hotels and jail time is really low. trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 15:33 Look at this ugly, poor piece of shit, and your rebuttal is a spelling mistake? lmfaoo, pretty good! He looks pretty hot, anything wrong with that?
creator: Ma1kel
date: 2008-05-30T20:30:43-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 30 May 2008 10:22 I don't plan to work too much, I already have some pretty cool connections to people who run their own firms, so I already basically have a job the second I finish school (and a reserved spot for my apprenticeship in 3rd year). And with most canadian firms, base salary is $60,000/year based on certain requirements, but either way ive already looked into all of this. Haha, you're lying or just really stop if you think you aren't gonna work. And $60.000/year isn't much with the salary you can get if you graduate on anything economics or science related from college.
creator: Ma1kel
date: 2008-05-30T20:47:22-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Yeah, $60000 is a bit of a rubbish starting salary if you're gonna go through undergrad and then law school (and let's not get ahead of ourselves here considering you're 17 and don't know your ass from a hole in the ground). Although being a lawyer would be appropriate since everyone already hates you anyway.
creator: mrpirate
date: 2008-05-30T21:28:26-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Didn't read he was doing law school, good luck with the college debt.
creator: Ma1kel
date: 2008-05-30T21:34:25-00:00

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description: From the sound of it, Daddy would be happy to pay. However, he hasn't even attended a university lecture yet, so... I'm not exactly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt wrt actually getting into law school.
creator: mrpirate
date: 2008-05-30T21:40:48-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Haha, look at that ugly fag saying "daddy" over and over again. Just because my parents are actually educated and can afford to pay for my education thats a bad thing? My scholarship covers most of it, and I already have a spot in law school reserved Don't hate me because you ain't me.
creator: trooprm02
date: 2008-05-31T22:49:25-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: I am jealous of you because I have just graduated from a better university in a more difficult and useful program.
creator: mrpirate
date: 2008-05-31T23:10:24-00:00

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description: One learns better if they pay for themselves for schooling in: education, responsibility, management, and motivation. For everything in fact, one is better if they have to work for it, not provided to them. "Connections" is why society is so corrupted ... Instead of getting the best person for the job, they get one through "connections" ... Believe in equality/fair chance? I guess not...
creator: gkl21
date: 2008-06-01T02:24:19-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: mrpirate wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 18:10 I am jealous of you because I have just graduated from a better university in a more difficult and useful program. Aren't you that ugly welfare kid who lives in a shithole? Ohhhhhh, ok then. So you are saying you of all people got a better job than being a lawyer? Giving handjobs for crack is NOT a better job fyi, lmfaooooooo.
creator: trooprm02
date: 2008-06-02T15:43:41-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Mon, 02 June 2008 10:43 mrpirate wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 18:10 I am jealous of you because I have just graduated from a better university in a more difficult and useful program. Aren't you that ugly welfare kid who lives in a shithole? Ohhhhhh, ok then. So you are saying you of all people got a better job than being a lawyer? Giving handjobs for crack is NOT a better job fyi, lmfaooooooo. Is selling private WOW server a better job?
creator: sadukar09
date: 2008-06-02T15:50:10-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: I have a B Sc Eng from Queen's University. You haven't even started attending classes in criminology at Ottawa University. qed? I'm not really sure why you think I'm poor. In all likelihood my parents have more money than yours do. But that's not the point. The reason I started posting in this thread in the first place was because of how offended I was by your behaviour. No one here is impressed that your parents bought you a car, or a house, or whatever the fuck. YOU have never accomplished anything. So keep your dumb mouth shut because no one wants to hear about how cool you think you are.
creator: mrpirate
date: 2008-06-02T16:32:58-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: hahahaha, look how "offended" you are, I guess stupidity is hereditary. Oh, and its not "think", its know. npppppp
creator: trooprm02
date: 2008-06-02T17:46:05-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Nice job hijacking this thread and turning it into your own private show-off/flame thread troop.
creator: nope.avi
date: 2008-06-02T18:23:20-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: If you're just going to ignore what I'm saying I guess we're done here.
creator: mrpirate
date: 2008-06-02T18:24:05-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: mrpirate wrote on Mon, 02 June 2008 13:24 If you're just going to ignore what I'm saying I guess we're done here. don't give up on yourself like your parents did
creator: trooprm02
date: 2008-06-03T00:00:53-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Hmm ok, i take it this can be split or locked now ... (before flamefest 2008 part 673)
creator: gkl21
date: 2008-06-03T01:57:46-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Mon, 02 June 2008 19:00 mrpirate wrote on Mon, 02 June 2008 13:24 If you're just going to ignore what I'm saying I guess we're done here. don't give up on yourself like your parents did So selling private WOW servers is better?
creator: sadukar09
date: 2008-06-03T10:10:51-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Why do people brag about their wealth? The only person that actually cares is going to be the one bragging regardless. It's an extremely rude thing to do and will never get you any friends at all. I am also surprised that it hasn't been mentioned that rich kids are a lot more likely to get bullied too. I can't see how someone with that attitude will survive let alone get employment afterwards.
creator: Memphis
date: 2008-06-03T12:12:09-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Exactly, the reason they get bullied is because they go in thinking they're superior to everyone in the room. Hence, Nobody likes them.
creator: nope.avi
date: 2008-06-03T12:36:49-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Ok is this about 'The Dole' or about troops awesome life that im so jelus of and if he doesn't be my friend im gonna commit RL suicide? I'd actaully like to hear back from the topic creator about my last post in this thread.
creator: Caveman
date: 2008-06-03T13:26:16-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: I don't want to argue, so I have nothing to say.
creator: jnz
date: 2008-06-03T14:15:54-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Mon, 02 June 2008 20:00 mrpirate wrote on Mon, 02 June 2008 13:24 If you're just going to ignore what I'm saying I guess we're done here. don't give up on yourself like your parents did Hey man, I bet all you valuable experience in dodging 1v1's, ignoring posts and topics and being a bragging little prick will definitely get you somewhere in life.
creator: u6795
date: 2008-06-03T14:28:23-00:00

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description: RoShamBo wrote on Tue, 03 June 2008 15:15 I don't want to argue, so I have nothing to say. You don't want to argue yet you started the thread..Did you think everyone was just going to agree with you?
creator: Caveman
date: 2008-06-03T15:05:34-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: I would much prefer this money to go to the elderly people that actually have to make decisions of whether to have food or heat in the winter. I'm pretty sure if the amount was cut down suddenly people would be starting to find jobs that were apparently never there before. To be frank the elderly deserve it a lot more than someone that doesn't want to work in a supermarket (even only temporarily). These elderly people have done their bit and have paid taxes throughout their lives not to mention the fact that quite a few of them were involved in World War 2.
creator: Memphis
date: 2008-06-03T15:11:22-00:00

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description: Caveman wrote on Tue, 03 June 2008 16:05 RoShamBo wrote on Tue, 03 June 2008 15:15 I don't want to argue, so I have nothing to say. You don't want to argue yet you started the thread..Did you think everyone was just going to agree with you? I don't mind debating, i'm not going to argue.
creator: jnz
date: 2008-06-03T20:01:52-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: bakerrrr wrote on Tue, 03 June 2008 07:36 Exactly, the reason they get bullied is because they go in thinking they're superior to everyone in the room. Hence, Nobody likes them. Hahaha, look at this nerd talking shit again, stfu before you apologize to me again LOL. This is all on topic because a canadian on the equivalent of the dole here, welfare, stated post-secondary education is a poor time for everyone and I disagreed. The fact the have-nots have become upset, who cares.
creator: trooprm02
date: 2008-06-03T22:26:20-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 20:26 Caveman wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 13:42 I am on the dole and the money I recieve each week JUST about covers my food for that week, it sure as hell doesn't pay for a house nor a car or even a ped for that matter. If you already have a flat and then you go on the dole the government will pay the rent otherwise you'd be homeless wouldn't you...And thats just what we need more homeless people. Anyone can apply for a flat but if you're not missing both legs and an arm you will be put on a waiting list which I think is 5 years.. Please do not try and make living on the dole seem like its great because its not. I was much better off when I was working. Atleast then i'd have money to have a few drinks with the lads. Plus being ugly doesn't help your cause. Meanwhile I just got my first car, 2001 mercedes-benz C220 ($37,000), n_P. It's not on topic. You derailed this thread by jerking off over a car your parents bought you. You haven't accomplished anything. No one is impressed by your parents' money. You are not cool. Go away.
creator: mrpirate
date: 2008-06-03T22:52:03-00:00

Re: Dole
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description: Haha, ok cool guy: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8311/mrpiraterc3.jpg ^^lolol, why would you post something like that in the first place? Pussy magnet for sher!
creator: trooprm02
date: 2008-06-04T00:44:32-00:00