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Word on the renegade under ground streets says that the source code is being release to the public soon. Whether it is or not I don't know, but if it was going to be released, do you think it's a good idea? I think it would be the last nail in the coffin for the game and all mods based on it. I mean we don't really have a dedicated really good community coder here. Whilst some are pretty awesome, they are not always that active... And unfortunately we all know it is easier to make cheats then to stop them. I think the release of the source code would compound the problem. What do you think?
well, it will have its upsides and downsides a positive is we can finally get into the nitty gritty of the source and actually get some interesting shit done a negative is like you said, the cheats. so, I think it might be worth it, so i voted yes.
I have a Question, what can you exactly do with the Source Code, Modding Groups like APB, APOC and Reborn already have theyr scripts what they need.
OH about the Cheaters, lets ask Crimson to ban 0x90 and Mandai´s serials Fucking Dicks, creating Hacks because THEY HAVE NO NUTS!
MadRockz wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 17:26 OH about the Cheaters, lets ask Crimson to ban 0x90 and Mandai´s serials Fucking Dicks, creating Hacks because THEY HAVE NO NUTS! If only it was that easy.
Despite the negatives, wouldn't Crimson be able to pull some chains here and there to get some coders together?
Im sure, that many other coders (wich never played Renegade) will take a look at the Engine
Is it at all possible that the source code be released ONLY to the highest level of persons within the Renegade community (BHS)?
Originally Blue wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 17:28 MadRockz wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 17:26 OH about the Cheaters, lets ask Crimson to ban 0x90 and Mandai´s serials Fucking Dicks, creating Hacks because THEY HAVE NO NUTS! If only it was that easy. Crimson has "Controll" with banning serials right ? we can ask him, maybe we get luck. OH well, i see he´s not allowed to bann them, they Payd for the Game and the Serial.
MadRockz wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 17:37 Originally Blue wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 17:28 MadRockz wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 17:26 OH about the Cheaters, lets ask Crimson to ban 0x90 and Mandai´s serials Fucking Dicks, creating Hacks because THEY HAVE NO NUTS! If only it was that easy. Crimson has "Controll" with banning serials right ? we can ask him, maybe we get luck. OH well, i see he´s not allowed to bann them, they Payd for the Game and the Serial. Crimson isn't a he. She can't ban people from the game, I think, only from XWIS.
Originally Blue wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 17:39 MadRockz wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 17:37 Originally Blue wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 17:28 MadRockz wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 17:26 OH about the Cheaters, lets ask Crimson to ban 0x90 and Mandai´s serials Fucking Dicks, creating Hacks because THEY HAVE NO NUTS! If only it was that easy. Crimson has "Controll" with banning serials right ? we can ask him, maybe we get luck. OH well, i see he´s not allowed to bann them, they Payd for the Game and the Serial. Crimson isn't a he. lmfaoooo
0x90 has never logged into XWIS, and doesn't even play Renegade, so what good is "banning" him going to do other than make him angry and release a new cheat version? IMO a "public" release of the source code would be a mess, as the only people who know what do do with source code are either already in a project group, or are cheat-creators. A public release of the source code without access to the auto-update servers would mean that after awhile there would be umpteen different versions of renegade servers and clients all over the place, not to mention would pretty much nullify RenGuards effect, as it wouldn't work on custom versions. I'd like to know who these "underground" folks are who are spreading this rumor, as I have not heard anything of this, and I have my ear fairly close to the ground for things like this.
I would say it would be a good idea to release it but only to the people that know what the hell they are doing and the people that do not make cheats.
just fix or update RG and many of the current problems are solved, better yet, force players to run scripts 3.* make an auto update so nexttime someone logs into wol their game gets updated, then its bye bye R..H
wittebolx wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 18:02 just fix or update RG and many of the current problems are solved, better yet, force players to run scripts 3.* make an auto update so nexttime someone logs into wol their game gets updated, then its bye bye R..H Shouldn't force people to download unofficial things like the Scripts.
They should be official cause people that don't use it get some advantages the ones that use it don't, and it would really have to detect some of their system specs cause old computers can't handle above 2.9.
It's only good if it's released to trusted and selected people, aka Crimson, reborn, Blazer...blah blah blah.
I've been hearing a lot of things about this potential Source Code release, if it's real, the Ren community should come together (all the talented scripters, people with knowledge of the engine) and come up with a way to use it to really improve the game.
Canadacdn wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 19:41 I've been hearing a lot of things about this potential Source Code release, if it's real, the Ren community should come together (all the talented scripters, people with knowledge of the engine) and come up with a way to use it to really improve the game. No more BLUE HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Renegade 2, anyone? Really, the engine isn't TERRIBLE, it's just got some glitches. It'd be nice if it had some more things like better vehicle physics and whatnot, though. The source code though should yeah, only be given to a select few people. It would be pretty helpful to TC mods out there, though.
As said above, if the code was released, would there be any point if we didn't have access to the servers to update the client? I would love to have it for a other reason, burn the source to a golden DVD and then stick it in a frame.
pffft... if the source would be released to one community they would keep it for himself to feel cool. owye 1 yet another thing. FUCK YE IM BEING PESSIMISTIC everybody should have to download the new game so, tbh whats is the motherfucking point? i bet all you asshats wants something new reborn wants this, voiltbloky this, oh and dont forget about v00d00. the whole game would be screwed in the end so i voted no, and keep it like it is kthxbaigoawaynub
I think Stealteye managed to solve blue hell. Or at least partially. Now that u mention it, it's been an eternity since I went into blue hell. I wonder if he made a serevr side patch... Anyway, I voted for the last option. IMO access to the auto update servers would be way more important. Giving out the source code would help change things client side and the one saying client side says cheats, unless you can use the knowledge to update the client.
You can use scripts.dll to change the update location.
RoShamBo wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 08:37 You can use scripts.dll to change the update location. Not everyone has scripts.dll!
Funny how "everyone" has "heard" the "rumor", but when you ask them where/who they heard it from, they STFU.
IF is does get released, it should probably (and probably would) be handed to BHS only. Then BHS can get coders under NDAs to work on a patch, and then release the patch after thorough testing. By the time any sort of patch was made, I'd be 18 and happy to sign an NDA to help test, but I think a 3D engine might be beyond my six months of programming experience. lol
I reckon it should be given it to certain people. I want to frame it on my wall for example.
Goztow wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 09:04 RoShamBo wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 08:37 You can use scripts.dll to change the update location. Not everyone has scripts.dll! if they want to updates they should get it
Everyone should use the updated scripts 3.4.4 and be happy about it. If a new update was made, it should only fix client bugs, nothing to do with balance or anything of that sort, only client bugs and new maps.
You cannot please all of the people, all of the time. No matter what happens, you can be sure that there will be lots of complaints. I feel sorry for software developers, all they get is complaints and no props for all their hard work.
One Winged Angel wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 09:02 I reckon it should be given it to certain people. I want to frame it on my wall for example. LOL.
Blazer wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 17:16 You cannot please all of the people, all of the time. No matter what happens, you can be sure that there will be lots of complaints. I feel sorry for software developers, all they get is complaints and no props for all their hard work. But they make a ton of money for all their hard work. Programmers are the elite within the elite in IT.
Sorry to say but it is EA, It wont come and if it comes certain people will hold ot back and probably build in renguard and what so ever. Like Renguard stuck in brenbott you gota disable it yourself if you dont want it. Probably they (who would get it)would force all kinds of nasty shit clients or server owners dont want. This does not weighs up only I'd love the lag to be fixed. I voted yes, but EA wont do it. This is still the same engine as generals and what so ever (if im correct)
If EA is going to release the source code of Renegade, it would only be to kill Renegade. It's going to be a disaster. Think about it. Anyone who understands just a little bit about coding knows that when this source will be released, it's going to be heaven paradise for cheat creators. Within a few weeks Renegade will be crawling with cheaters, and it will die, just in time for EA's release of their new "C&C" game Tiberium...
If anything, it's to be distributed to select persons only. IE: The BHP team, Reborn team, etc. No small mods or non-conversion mods as they don't really need it. They wouldn't be able to do much with it as their mod requires the game, and if they privatly patch it, it won't work with the game anymore. Total conversion, yes, as they can fix A LOT of things in their releases (as they're standalone). I voted no, because there wasn't a "To select persons only" option... >.>
reckneya wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 17:19 If EA is going to release the source code of Renegade, it would only be to kill Renegade. It's going to be a disaster. Think about it. Anyone who understands just a little bit about coding knows that when this source will be released, it's going to be heaven paradise for cheat creators. Within a few weeks Renegade will be crawling with cheaters, and it will die, just in time for EA's release of their new "C&C" game Tiberium... That is very scary scenario.
Well, actually this "theory" is more true than most people would think. Some people at EA (mostly 1 person) basically stated that something along the lines of renegade's source code being released was going to happen, "soon". The explanation was that not now because of the other things going on with C&C, kanes wrath, tiberium, and RA3, but to "expect" it when things cooled down a little. My quesiton is this, apart from the obviously HUGE advantage I think having access to the update servers (let alone the source code), what kind of benefits would be possible from the (hopefully private) release of the renegade source code?
Starbuzz wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 23:40 reckneya wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 17:19 If EA is going to release the source code of Renegade, it would only be to kill Renegade. It's going to be a disaster. Think about it. Anyone who understands just a little bit about coding knows that when this source will be released, it's going to be heaven paradise for cheat creators. Within a few weeks Renegade will be crawling with cheaters, and it will die, just in time for EA's release of their new "C&C" game Tiberium... That is very scary scenario. And not unrealistic, we all know how much EA like to grab money. Not that we'd buy tiberium, we'd just struggle on, or move to Renegade 2007 or something similar.
OH let me think about the Source again... NO! They shouldn´d release it to anyone. "Normall" Renegade still the BEST Game ever. When you dont agree then G.T.F.O
CarrierII wrote on Wed, 05 March 2008 07:31 Starbuzz wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 23:40 reckneya wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 17:19 If EA is going to release the source code of Renegade, it would only be to kill Renegade. It's going to be a disaster. Think about it. Anyone who understands just a little bit about coding knows that when this source will be released, it's going to be heaven paradise for cheat creators. Within a few weeks Renegade will be crawling with cheaters, and it will die, just in time for EA's release of their new "C&C" game Tiberium... That is very scary scenario. And not unrealistic, we all know how much EA like to grab money. Not that we'd buy tiberium, we'd just struggle on, or move to Renegade 2007 or something similar. It will be total chaos someone should take the source and lock it away and mayby fix some very annoying bugs. And thats it. Otherwise cheat-a-holic, and renegade will die!
There's always a big chance of the code leaking out if any one person were to get the code.
Zion Fox wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 17:37 If anything, it's to be distributed to select persons only. IE: The BHP team, Reborn team, etc. No small mods or non-conversion mods as they don't really need it. They wouldn't be able to do much with it as their mod requires the game, and if they privatly patch it, it won't work with the game anymore. Total conversion, yes, as they can fix A LOT of things in their releases (as they're standalone). I voted no, because there wasn't a "To select persons only" option... >.> Fuck you.
Canadacdn wrote on Thu, 06 March 2008 03:05 Zion Fox wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 17:37 If anything, it's to be distributed to select persons only. IE: The BHP team, Reborn team, etc. No small mods or non-conversion mods as they don't really need it. They wouldn't be able to do much with it as their mod requires the game, and if they privatly patch it, it won't work with the game anymore. Total conversion, yes, as they can fix A LOT of things in their releases (as they're standalone). I voted no, because there wasn't a "To select persons only" option... >.> Fuck you. What are you talking about? Roleplay2 is a total conversion, is it not?
It officialy isnt a total conversion. Because it still uses the basic renegade folder (rp2 is a pkg file) A pkg is basicaly a mix file so a new map with stuff in it. (correct me if im wrong) EA should just keep it, if we are already getting fustrated what will happen if it really will be released?
One Winged Angel wrote on Thu, 06 March 2008 03:37 Canadacdn wrote on Thu, 06 March 2008 03:05 Zion Fox wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 17:37 If anything, it's to be distributed to select persons only. IE: The BHP team, Reborn team, etc. No small mods or non-conversion mods as they don't really need it. They wouldn't be able to do much with it as their mod requires the game, and if they privatly patch it, it won't work with the game anymore. Total conversion, yes, as they can fix A LOT of things in their releases (as they're standalone). I voted no, because there wasn't a "To select persons only" option... >.> Fuck you. What are you talking about? Roleplay2 is a total conversion, is it not? Rp2 is not a total conversion, we decided to keep it as a PKG mod because that way more people will be able to see our mod being played along with the Ren servers and download it. Not all Ren players are involved in the community. Regardless, if the source was released to smaller (but equally talented if not moreso) mod teams like ours, we could still make quite a lot of use in implementing new scripts etc. Zion Fox's snobby elitist opinion about this matter really pisses me off.
Zion Fox wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 18:37 If anything, it's to be distributed to select persons only. IE: The BHP team, Reborn team, etc. No small mods or non-conversion mods as they don't really need it. They wouldn't be able to do much with it as their mod requires the game, and if they privatly patch it, it won't work with the game anymore. Total conversion, yes, as they can fix A LOT of things in their releases (as they're standalone). I voted no, because there wasn't a "To select persons only" option... >.> That's just selfish. Why should you get it and not us?
Why would EA publicaly realease it? Thats the stupidest shit ive ever heard..I fully support BHS ONLY having access to the source code (when it is given).
Zion Fox wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 16:37 No small mods or non-conversion mods as they don't really need it. They wouldn't be able to do much with it as their mod requires the game, and if they privatly patch it, it won't work with the game anymore. STAND DOWN! Its the small mods that keep the game alive, people would just leave renegade and forget about it if they only waited for the "Large Mods" to release (ie APB, Reborn, ect.
Ya because we all want to play rp2 and renhalo... LOL
trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 07 March 2008 07:26 Ya because we all want to play rp2 and renhalo... LOL I think you must be the first person that I have meet that thinks a 1.2 GB mod is small.
BHS, Blackintel and people like WD should have access to it, but that's about it. Could still maintain some scripts.dll type thing to the public, but add support for more things.
And major kudos to the person who fixes the physics.
Sir Kane wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 17:01 BHS, Blackintel and people like WD should have access to it, but that's about it. Could still maintain some scripts.dll type thing to the public, but add support for more things. Nobody should get it. When you dont like "normal" Renegade then go buy Counter Strike like all the other idiots.
"Normal" Renegade is buggy and still a tad incomplete. There were quite a few maps that were still meant to be made (Snow, sand, etc...), various special powerups (Tiberium immunity powerup, stealth suit, ammo increaser, etc), mannable guns, a mutant team (Presumably an infantry-only kinda sub-team, but yeah), and quite a bit more. So it'd be nice if someone could get the source code and make an official patch for Renegade to add in all these things. Things like that should be entrusted to the people at like, black hand studios. Though of course, many mods that seek to increase Renegade's possibilities (APB, Reborn, AR, Rp2) should also be given the source code. It definetly shouldn't be a huge public thing, as that would be incredibly annoying to see alot of cheating and hacking going on.
It is funny because it is stil a rumor I havent really seen anything of a 'word of EA' that they even would release it. And if EA does it they will release it their way. (probably full open on the site) Bring the word first that those rumors are based on something EA said. (could be that I missed something duno)
if EA were to release it to a responsible group who used it wisely, it'd be exactly what Renegade needs - as long as it was used to deal with cheaters, stuff like bluescreening etc, not to actually change the way the game is played. open release to anyone would probably be a disaster though
Spoony wrote on Sun, 09 March 2008 04:39 if EA were to release it to a responsible group who used it wisely, it'd be exactly what Renegade needs - as long as it was used to deal with cheaters, stuff like bluescreening etc, not to actually change the way the game is played. open release to anyone would probably be a disaster though Open release = Ren's death. Release to BHS/BI = win.
Spoony wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 21:39 if EA were to release it to a responsible group who used it wisely, it'd be exactly what Renegade needs - as long as it was used to deal with cheaters, stuff like bluescreening etc, not to actually change the way the game is played. open release to anyone would probably be a disaster though QFT. If I were to ever be a part of a group working with Renegade source, I would push for what's most important to me (and to, I believe, the majority of the community), which is to keep the gameplay almost identical to what we're used to and fix the stupid problems that get in the way of a good game, things like netcode/lag, blue hell, vehicle theft, and of course, cheating. To be honest, I don't see a reason to even have RenGuard anymore if there was a source code + access to release official patches. If I were a part of such a group, I would also do my best to make sure that we worked in conjunction with mod teams to get them what they want without actually having to share the code with them and increase the possibility of a devastating leak.
Being able to release updates would at this moment be more useful than the source would be. A public release would be horrible due to cheats being made... I hope that doesn't happen. A private release would be ok imo, although only if they would be able to send out updates as well. Doubt it would happen though...
If the source code does somehow magically get released there are only two things I would want done: -Improve the W3D engine's handling of textures. -Fix blue hell and the other weird physics glitches.
It'd be pretty cool if you could add some more engine features to w3d too. Not neccisarily things included in existing maps, just more flexability to future/current mods.
cnc95fan wrote on Thu, 06 March 2008 22:31 That's just selfish. Why should you get it and not us? Because you haven't released anything. You may say the same about RA2:AR but since we are camping with APB, we are set. RA2:AR is in the comfortable position of being the middle child in the TC mod world. APB being the older child, who looks down on the attention seeking Reborn (the youngest child). (Nothing of this has to do with the mod's physical age though. It's just a metaphor). If I were dishing out the code I'd give it to RP2, since their mod is a total conversion in my eyes (but just not standalone). I've heard a bit about RenHalo, but it seems to be all talk and not much stuff being shown (aside from a modified APB ranger that was shown a while back). Plus, there is nothing stopping you from using the modified engine builds minus the source code when new iterations are produced.
Canadacdn wrote on Thu, 06 March 2008 22:21 One Winged Angel wrote on Thu, 06 March 2008 03:37 Canadacdn wrote on Thu, 06 March 2008 03:05 Zion Fox wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 17:37 If anything, it's to be distributed to select persons only. IE: The BHP team, Reborn team, etc. No small mods or non-conversion mods as they don't really need it. They wouldn't be able to do much with it as their mod requires the game, and if they privatly patch it, it won't work with the game anymore. Total conversion, yes, as they can fix A LOT of things in their releases (as they're standalone). I voted no, because there wasn't a "To select persons only" option... >.> Fuck you. What are you talking about? Roleplay2 is a total conversion, is it not? Rp2 is not a total conversion, we decided to keep it as a PKG mod because that way more people will be able to see our mod being played along with the Ren servers and download it. Not all Ren players are involved in the community. Regardless, if the source was released to smaller (but equally talented if not moreso) mod teams like ours, we could still make quite a lot of use in implementing new scripts etc. Zion Fox's snobby elitist opinion about this matter really pisses me off. You're missing the point here. Remember that game patches are required by ALL players, so if you patch the game and do whatever to it, EVERYONE who wants to play on that server will need said patch, and i don't know about you but i'm not installing two versions of Renegade just to play RP2. Read, before you comment, in future. (And to cnc95fan, read also)
Um, so if EA is planning to release it "sometime soon" which they probably will/might (according to a EA employee himself), couldn't someone contact EA (crimson?) and ask them about this matter (privately is thats the only way they will say anything), to ask if they really plan on doing what they eluded too, and if so, could it be only released to certain people? (BHS, BI, etc) Because they might magically release it, they have no idea about this thread and they couldn't care less what happens as a result of it so..say something before they do something stupid.
The problem with that is, if I did in fact know something and/or was involved in it, EA wouldn't allow me to tell the "public" about it anyway, and I'd have to keep it a secret and pretend I didn't know anything about it and only speak in hypothetical. Quite a dilemma, no?
One Winged Angel wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 11:14 cnc95fan wrote on Thu, 06 March 2008 22:31 That's just selfish. Why should you get it and not us? Because you haven't released anything. You may say the same about RA2:AR but since we are camping with APB, we are set. RA2:AR is in the comfortable position of being the middle child in the TC mod world. APB being the older child, who looks down on the attention seeking Reborn (the youngest child). (Nothing of this has to do with the mod's physical age though. It's just a metaphor). If I were dishing out the code I'd give it to RP2, since their mod is a total conversion in my eyes (but just not standalone). I've heard a bit about RenHalo, but it seems to be all talk and not much stuff being shown (aside from a modified APB ranger that was shown a while back). Plus, there is nothing stopping you from using the modified engine builds minus the source code when new iterations are produced. You're missing the point. There isn't much in RA and RA2 that can't be accomplished in Renegade with scripts easily. When you look at E:BFD you will noticed 3 sides, and sub sides.
cnc95fan wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 16:58 One Winged Angel wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 11:14 cnc95fan wrote on Thu, 06 March 2008 22:31 That's just selfish. Why should you get it and not us? Because you haven't released anything. You may say the same about RA2:AR but since we are camping with APB, we are set. RA2:AR is in the comfortable position of being the middle child in the TC mod world. APB being the older child, who looks down on the attention seeking Reborn (the youngest child). (Nothing of this has to do with the mod's physical age though. It's just a metaphor). If I were dishing out the code I'd give it to RP2, since their mod is a total conversion in my eyes (but just not standalone). I've heard a bit about RenHalo, but it seems to be all talk and not much stuff being shown (aside from a modified APB ranger that was shown a while back). Plus, there is nothing stopping you from using the modified engine builds minus the source code when new iterations are produced. You're missing the point. There isn't much in RA and RA2 that can't be accomplished in Renegade with scripts easily. When you look at E:BFD you will noticed 3 sides, and sub sides. I think the scripts should be only released for RENEGADE related stuff like patches and such instead of conversion mods to make ren look like other games. :/
Crimson wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 16:55 The problem with that is, if I did in fact know something and/or was involved in it, EA wouldn't allow me to tell the "public" about it anyway, and I'd have to keep it a secret and pretend I didn't know anything about it and only speak in hypothetical. Quite a dilemma, no? Thanks for the hint No, but really, an EA employee with strong ties to the C&C side of EA, said it would happen "soon" (inside ties, n_P) thats why im worried...
I assure you there is no public release planned. If our community was about 10 times larger with 10 times more skilled coders, we could probably survive a public release and beat the cheat creators down with more effort, but we don't, and they understand that.
I love the idea of releasing it to BHS. A responsible and long standing group like that could do a great job of relegating it with mod teams and such.
Crimson wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 16:32 I assure you there is no public release planned. How can you be sure? No offense, but the guy works for EA, it was the same person who is "intresting" (acting to be I think, tbh) in the development of ren2k7 who said something along the lines of releasing the source code when the other C&C stuff cools off, and something similiar was even said by him on their own forums, thats why I thought this entire topic started, because people started hearing about this...
Well, I can't tell you how I know. I just know. That WAS the original plan but I told them over a year ago that I would rather see NO ONE get it if the only option was a public release.
Zion Fox wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 14:55 You're missing the point here. Remember that game patches are required by ALL players, so if you patch the game and do whatever to it, EVERYONE who wants to play on that server will need said patch, and i don't know about you but i'm not installing two versions of Renegade just to play RP2. Read, before you comment, in future. (And to cnc95fan, read also) Seriously, what do you have against RP2?
Zion Fox wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 14:55 You're missing the point here. Remember that game patches are required by ALL players, so if you patch the game and do whatever to it, EVERYONE who wants to play on that server will need said patch, and i don't know about you but i'm not installing two versions of Renegade just to play RP2. Read, before you comment, in future. (And to cnc95fan, read also) *Acts like a complete retard* Or we could just copy the game.exe and rename it gamerp2.exe and patch that... [/retard] Oh wait that would work.
So EA only offered a public release? EA are doing nothing for this game, they may as well do themselves a fucking favour and give the code to BHS, and then they can "wash their hands" of this game, which suits us as much as them.
Canadacdn wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 01:56 Zion Fox wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 14:55 You're missing the point here. Remember that game patches are required by ALL players, so if you patch the game and do whatever to it, EVERYONE who wants to play on that server will need said patch, and i don't know about you but i'm not installing two versions of Renegade just to play RP2. Read, before you comment, in future. (And to cnc95fan, read also) Seriously, what do you have against RP2? Nothing, nothing at all.
cnc95fan wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 21:58 You're missing the point. There isn't much in RA and RA2 that can't be accomplished in Renegade with scripts easily. When you look at E:BFD you will noticed 3 sides, and sub sides. Oh really now? I think you are forgetting Yuri's Revenge and the giant ants faction here. Also if you think that Giant Squids with proper collisions are a walk in the park, think again. But it's not limited to just that
One Winged Angel wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 05:59 cnc95fan wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 21:58 You're missing the point. There isn't much in RA and RA2 that can't be accomplished in Renegade with scripts easily. When you look at E:BFD you will noticed 3 sides, and sub sides. Oh really now? I think you are forgetting Yuri's Revenge and the giant ants faction here. Also if you think that Giant Squids with proper collisions are a walk in the park, think again. But it's not limited to just that Three sides. Nope it wont work mayby it works enigine technically but in the gameplay it will probably be a downside. Especially if it are three mainsides (i know that you need three to be true to the E:BFD story) I have never really seen a fps with three fractions battleing each other. Besides that you will need a lot of players it will start as 1 vs 1 vs 1 To have an avarage ren game you would require 12 people? (in your mod 4 vs 4 vs 4)
One Winged Angel wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 04:59 Oh really now? I think you are forgetting Yuri's Revenge Hmm? If my memory serves me correctly, (which it always does) you had no intention of adding Yuri's side into AR.
Reaver11 wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 08:54 One Winged Angel wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 05:59 cnc95fan wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 21:58 You're missing the point. There isn't much in RA and RA2 that can't be accomplished in Renegade with scripts easily. When you look at E:BFD you will noticed 3 sides, and sub sides. Oh really now? I think you are forgetting Yuri's Revenge and the giant ants faction here. Also if you think that Giant Squids with proper collisions are a walk in the park, think again. But it's not limited to just that Three sides. Nope it wont work mayby it works enigine technically but in the gameplay it will probably be a downside. Especially if it are three mainsides (i know that you need three to be true to the E:BFD story) I have never really seen a fps with three fractions battleing each other. Besides that you will need a lot of players it will start as 1 vs 1 vs 1 To have an avarage ren game you would require 12 people? (in your mod 4 vs 4 vs 4) Oh dear gawd, the score screen won't display which team won correctly, there is no way gameplay can work without the score screen. You won't be able to choose your team either... oh wait, most of the time the servers don't let you change your team anyways, so that can't be whats ruining the game play... hmmm, we already know there are ways to work around the pt, so I think you best explain how it will be a down side.
He means in gameplay. Not technically. I agree that although 3 sides might be cool, it is uncertain whether it would improve gameplay. In some aspects probably, but there might be some severe disadvantages as well. (What happens when one team is killed for example? Gameover? Wait? Its players join the other team?) Those things might cause trouble, and it is not unlikely that gameplay will be better with 2 teams than with 3. (Although it would be nice to experiment with it anyway)
StealthEye wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 14:31 He means in gameplay. Not technically. I agree that although 3 sides might be cool, it is uncertain whether it would improve gameplay. In some aspects probably, but there might be some severe disadvantages as well. (What happens when one team is killed for example? Gameover? Wait? Its players join the other team?) Those things might cause trouble, and it is not unlikely that gameplay will be better with 2 teams than with 3. (Although it would be nice to experiment with it anyway) I just mean it as StealthEye said it, I know the most is possible technically. Although at the moment I see more problems(Just as in StealthEye's quote) mayby it is good to wait and see how it works out.
cnc95fan wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 17:55 One Winged Angel wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 04:59 Oh really now? I think you are forgetting Yuri's Revenge Hmm? If my memory serves me correctly, (which it always does) you had no intention of adding Yuri's side into AR. You'd be a fool to assume things that you aren't 200% sure on. Oh and fix your quote tags.
One Winged Angel wrote on Wed, 12 March 2008 02:45 cnc95fan wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 17:55 One Winged Angel wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 04:59 Oh really now? I think you are forgetting Yuri's Revenge Hmm? If my memory serves me correctly, (which it always does) you had no intention of adding Yuri's side into AR. You'd be a fool to assume things that you aren't 200% sure on. Oh and fix your quote tags. I don't remeber using the word assume. You told me yourself, after I had asked you a long while back, when I was with SCUD Storm, had BHP accomplished the third side at all.. You told me that Yuri was not going to be added.
cnc95fan wrote on Wed, 12 March 2008 15:32 One Winged Angel wrote on Wed, 12 March 2008 02:45 cnc95fan wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 17:55 One Winged Angel wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 04:59 Oh really now? I think you are forgetting Yuri's Revenge Hmm? If my memory serves me correctly, (which it always does) you had no intention of adding Yuri's side into AR. You'd be a fool to assume things that you aren't 200% sure on. Oh and fix your quote tags. I don't remeber using the word assume. You told me yourself, after I had asked you a long while back, when I was with SCUD Storm, had BHP accomplished the third side at all.. You told me that Yuri was not going to be added. Take a look at my previous post.
One Winged Angel wrote on Wed, 12 March 2008 15:39 cnc95fan wrote on Wed, 12 March 2008 15:32 One Winged Angel wrote on Wed, 12 March 2008 02:45 cnc95fan wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 17:55 One Winged Angel wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 04:59 Oh really now? I think you are forgetting Yuri's Revenge Hmm? If my memory serves me correctly, (which it always does) you had no intention of adding Yuri's side into AR. You'd be a fool to assume things that you aren't 200% sure on. Oh and fix your quote tags. I don't remeber using the word assume. You told me yourself, after I had asked you a long while back, when I was with SCUD Storm, had BHP accomplished the third side at all.. You told me that Yuri was not going to be added. Take a look at my previous post. Sorry, quote tags fixed.
It is a good idea, and it completely outweighs the downsides. Cheating in Renegade is not that bad. If someone cheats, you can stop them. It is easy to tell who is cheating and what they are using.. a simple kick is in order. There are even ways to test if that person is cheating. Even more over, the community based anti-cheat Renguard handles some of the stuff. But a game like Renegade is relatively clean with cheats when compared to other games out there. Not to mention that by having the source code, we can further prevent some cheats from happening. Especially in the new mods out, like Reborn, APB and AR. It would really be a Renegade 2, and not simply a Renegade mod.
If everyone has access to the source, expect totally undetectable cheats. Saying cheating is easy to detect now isn't true at all. Yes, final renegade stuff is, but double-RoF is hard, and even more subtle things are even worse.
They never release the Renegade Source
MadRockz wrote on Fri, 14 March 2008 13:28 They never release the Renegade Source They already e-mailed it to Crimson! This topic is a diversion!
Starbuzz wrote on Fri, 14 March 2008 18:23 MadRockz wrote on Fri, 14 March 2008 13:28 They never release the Renegade Source They already e-mailed it to Crimson! This topic is a diversion! WOOOOOOOT NOBODY SHOULD GET IT! NORMAL RENEGADE STILL THE BEST! Go home, Reborn, APB, etc.
EA WILL NEVER GIVE THE SOURCE CODE AWAY BECAUSE THEY STILL USE A HIGHLY MODIFIED VERSION IN THEIR NEW C&C STRATEGY GAMES, AND WOULD NEVER WANT TO GIVE COMPETITION AN EDGE![/caps lock] [/ridiculous size]
Jerad Gray wrote on Sun, 16 March 2008 00:46 EA WILL NEVER GIVE THE SOURCE CODE AWAY BECAUSE THEY STILL USE A HIGHLY MODIFIED VERSION IN THEIR NEW C&C STRATEGY GAMES, AND WOULD NEVER WANT TO GIVE COMPETITION AN EDGE![/caps lock] [/ridiculous size] Yeah
MadRockz wrote on Sat, 15 March 2008 13:24 Go home, Reborn, APB, etc.
Hope APOC will not sucks like Reborn, APB and Sadukar
R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 14 March 2008 16:42 Cheating in Renegade is not that bad. What the fuck are you smoking? R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 14 March 2008 16:42 If someone cheats, you can stop them. It is easy to tell who is cheating and what they are using.. a simple kick is in order. Most servers ban cheaters! R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 14 March 2008 16:42 There are even ways to test if that person is cheating. Ever heard of panic buttons? R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 14 March 2008 16:42 Even more over, the community based anti-cheat Renguard handles some of the stuff. But a game like Renegade is relatively clean with cheats when compared to other games out there. Again what the fuck are you smoking? R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 14 March 2008 16:42 Not to mention that by having the source code, we can further prevent some cheats from happening. Especially in the new mods out, like Reborn, APB and AR. It would really be a Renegade 2, and not simply a Renegade mod. You take a sensible pill half way through? I agree that EA would not release that source code while some of their other game platforms are based on the same or similar code.
MadRockz wrote on Mon, 17 March 2008 16:18 Hope APOC will not sucks like Reborn, APB and Sadukar The C&C community manager is a nice guy isn't he.