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I'm sure your parents had good intentions, so I wouldn't hate them for it. The only thing you should and obviously are doing is to think for yourself, and decide for yourself what is proper for you. You may see your parents as narrow-minded, but it's not their fault, as they were taught and treated much more harshly than you by their own parents, so this sort of thing is ingrained in them, and there is probably nothing you can do to make them understand. Such is the way of things...perhaps someday you will be fussing at a child of your own, who will think that you are a n00b
I get really angry when I hear of people doing that to their kids, it's wrong in so many ways and to be honest, their views are so backward like muslims reading books backwards, something really wrong with it. I enjoyed watching the movies and I only read one of the books, which was the last one (just had too, after so much hype) and I enjoyed every minute of it.
Starbuzz wrote on Fri, 22 February 2008 00:34 I do agree that parents have the right to tell their kids what to do and shit afterall I was living under their roof and eating from their money and sleeping in the bed they provided. I disagree. You received that book on your own as a gift with no ties to your parents at all. You read it at night while they where asleep in the room that they gave to you. -They didn't pay for the book or endorse it in anyway. It was a gift. -They where asleep while you read it, so you weren't reading on their time. -You read in your room that they gave to you, so you weren't invading in their space. There is no connection between them providing for you and that book and how you used your time to read it. They did not have any real right to take it away. All of the reasons you said (living under their roof and eating from their money and sleeping in the bed they provided), have nothing to do with that book. If any of those where taken away, it still wouldn't effect your ability to possess and read the book. I can understand that your parent's beliefs are what they are, but there is a limit.
Rocko wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 00:02 fucking christians are retarded as hell lol
Rocko wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 01:02 fucking christians are retarded as hell This is why I hate religion. Religious people act all superior like they own the world, and everyone else hates them for it. I quoted Rocko as an example.
Blazer wrote on Thu, 21 February 2008 23:44 I'm sure your parents had good intentions, so I wouldn't hate them for it. They got on the anti-Harry Potter bandwagon without even reading the book. This bandwagon assumes that the book teaches how to do magic. These are the types of people who would hate anything and worse, take action to prevent others from doing what they themselves don't like to do. I agree with everything else you said. It maybe the way of things. IronWarrior wrote on Fri, 22 February 2008 00:20 I get really angry when I hear of people doing that to their kids, it's wrong in so many ways and to be honest, their views are so backward like muslims reading books backwards, something really wrong with it. Yeah, I simply can't stand this backwardness. It is the divisivness that really pisses me off. The "I am this and this so you can't be that and that" attitude makes me mad. This is why there are many extra unneeded wars today. --- @Razor: True but what they did was no different than what the Taliban did to the people: take away their TV's. R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 22 February 2008 00:53 I can understand that your parent's beliefs are what they are, but there is a limit. I agree but this is not understood by people like this. For them, even the sky is not the limit. As long as they feel they are right, they will do it and will impose that on others.
Sir Kane wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 09:37 Harry Potter is for losers! I agree. I'm not going to say Harry Potter is "evil", but I can't stand the premise of the series.
Sir Kane wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 08:37 Harry Potter is for losers! You are entitled to your opinion.
Harry Potter sucks. People who think Harry Potter is evil suck even more.
Harry Potter dont sucks, and its not great... Because i dont read Books
Thread is now Harry Potter book critiques FFS.
Considering the title is "F*ck you Harry Potter bashers...", I'm pretty sure that'd suggest it's BEEN about Harry Potter critiques...
Cabal8616 wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 18:27 Considering the title is "F*ck you Harry Potter bashers...", I'm pretty sure that'd suggest it's BEEN about Harry Potter critiques... No...it says "F*ck you" at those who bash Harry Potter; aimed at people who bash it...not critique it. Your statment only proves how important it is to differentiate between bashing and critiquing...something nobody here is willing to do.
Well, Harry Potter is an incredibly easy read. It may be a lot of pages, but it is a children's novel. I'm not much for reading in the first place, but I don't really like the whole "world of magic" concept.... the stories aren't bad, I just don't like the theme.
I love reading, when I can, I will try to get the whole set.
Harry Potter ftl Crime and Punishment ftw
I find it ironic that your teacher gave you Farenheit 451, an obvious blast at what your parents were doing to you.
this discussion is not on whether harry potter is a good book, but about the fact that christians are all blind are possibly mildly retarded.
Rocko wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 01:49 this discussion is not on whether harry potter is a good book, but about the fact that christians are all blind are possibly mildly retarded. If their retarded, why is it the biggest religion in the world? Also the religion that inspired huge emipres, mathematics and science. It's not really retarded, unlike you.
DarkDemin wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 00:52 I find it ironic that your teacher gave you Farenheit 451, an obvious blast at what your parents were doing to you. Yeah, probably! cnc95fan wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 04:37 Rocko wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 01:49 this discussion is not on whether harry potter is a good book, but about the fact that christians are all blind are possibly mildly retarded. If their retarded, why is it the biggest religion in the world? Also the religion that inspired huge emipres, mathematics and science. It's not really retarded, unlike you. I lol'ed at this HARD. I think you need to read some History books, my friend.
cnc95fan wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 04:37 Rocko wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 01:49 this discussion is not on whether harry potter is a good book, but about the fact that christians are all blind are possibly mildly retarded. If their retarded, why is it the biggest religion in the world? Also the religion that inspired huge emipres, mathematics and science. It's not really retarded, unlike you. Drugs are bad, man.
I find people to be very stupid and in large groups, they become even more stupid. People on their own are smarter, so don't think am calling you all stupid.
I read through a bit of the first one when it came out, and didn't like it. I hate that sort of fiction. Still, at least it is reading; something which more people should be doing these days.
Its something I should doing somewhat less of. Apparently I read too much.
cnc95fan wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 04:37 Rocko wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 01:49 this discussion is not on whether harry potter is a good book, but about the fact that christians are all blind are possibly mildly retarded. If their retarded, why is it the biggest religion in the world? Also the religion that inspired huge emipres, mathematics and science. It's not really retarded, unlike you. Uh hu... I think Islam inspired more huge empires than Christianity (not saying that Islam is better). Has anyone read the book Mists of Avalon? Great book unless you're very, very Christian.
R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 01:51 Rocko wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 01:02 fucking christians are retarded as hell This is why I hate religion. Religious people act all superior like they own the world, and everyone else hates them for it. I quoted Rocko as an example. You say that and yet you act as if it's all religious people. I don't see how you can say they're all terrible when you're using generalities yourself.
IronWarrior wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 15:34 I find people to be very stupid and in large groups, they become even more stupid. People on their own are smarter, so don't think am calling you all stupid. Awesome point you made, Iron. The current system that the world revolves under stifles the individual thought process from a very early age. You go to kindergarten, 1st grade and then that's it...you are inside the system. If they teach you, then you know it. If they don't, then you don't know it. On top of this at the same time, the parents add in their share of shit at an early age (for example: religion). By the time the person is entering the teen years, their brains have been fully programmed to think in one direction by the educational system they grew up in, society (and it's trends/norms), AND their parents. There are exceptions of course but these people are unfortunately a minority. The result is you have a majority of people who are products of the current system...they are like drones. We got a lot of them in the world today simply playing their part in the chain. They watch news from one channel and then feel like they are experts in world current events. They don't like history books because appraently it is "boring," and they see in black and white. If they close their eyes, then the whole world is dark for them. And no, I am not generalizing because sadly the majority of the world's population is like that. @ Feetseek: Thanks for sharing that book. I am ordering it. bisen11 wrote on Mon, 25 February 2008 09:14 R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 01:51 Rocko wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 01:02 fucking christians are retarded as hell This is why I hate religion. Religious people act all superior like they own the world, and everyone else hates them for it. I quoted Rocko as an example. You say that and yet you act as if it's all religious people. I don't see how you can say they're all terrible when you're using generalities yourself. He never acted as if "it's all religious people."
Ethenal wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 21:31 cnc95fan wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 04:37 Rocko wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 01:49 this discussion is not on whether harry potter is a good book, but about the fact that christians are all blind are possibly mildly retarded. If their retarded, why is it the biggest religion in the world? Also the religion that inspired huge emipres, mathematics and science. It's not really retarded, unlike you. Drugs are bad, man. Must I make a list?
hahahahaha i was acutally laughing how hard you got owned by religion youtube.com george carlin on religion. woohoo
I don't particularly care for Harry Potter; it's way below my reading level and I'm far more into Sci-Fi settings anyway. There's a line, however, between not reading a book for a good reason (i.e. it doesn't interest you) and not reading it for a stupid, ignorant reason (i.e. the book is evil and people who read it also eat babies). Then there's another line beyond that, where personal preference becomes policy- and that line should never, ever be crossed. I've run across crap like this before- more or less exactly like this; one of my teachers back in middle school forbade students from using Harry potter for book reports because of its references to 'witchcraft' and magic. It wasn't such a big deal for me, since I wasn't into the book, but the whole concept of being allowed to ban a book because you don't agree with its contents is dangerous and stupid. Furthermore, Harry Potter hardly presents a realistic view of anything- witchcraft, real life Wicca, has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with brewing potions or flying on brooms. Nevertheless, you'll find that the same folks who'll say you can't read Harry Potter will also restrict access to books about alternate religions, which drives straight past banning a novel and straight into thought control. You were absolutely right to be pissed off at your parents and teachers; what they did was wrong. You have a right to read whatever you desire, no matter how much others may disagree with it. Reading a book- any book, from the Bible to the Anarchist's Cookbook- does not violate the rights of any other human being.
Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 25 February 2008 13:50 bisen11 wrote on Mon, 25 February 2008 09:14 R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 01:51 Rocko wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 01:02 fucking christians are retarded as hell This is why I hate religion. Religious people act all superior like they own the world, and everyone else hates them for it. I quoted Rocko as an example. You say that and yet you act as if it's all religious people. I don't see how you can say they're all terrible when you're using generalities yourself. He never acted as if "it's all religious people." When you say things like "Religious people..." and "everyone else..." it sure sounds like you're speaking for everyone in that group. He never said anything like "most" or "some" or "the extremists", not even "the loudest group within". So I'd say that counts as saying all.
NukeIt15 wrote on Mon, 25 February 2008 15:42 I don't particularly care for Harry Potter; it's way below my reading level and I'm far more into Sci-Fi settings anyway. Well, I should have read these books starting years and years ago when I was at that reading level. Now I only want to finish reading the story that I was prevented from doing. Sci-Fi military fiction are my top preference and along with books that fall under the realistic fiction genre. NukeIt15 wrote on Mon, 25 February 2008 16:42 There's a line, however, between not reading a book for a good reason (i.e. it doesn't interest you) and not reading it for a stupid, ignorant reason (i.e. the book is evil and people who read it also eat babies). Then there's another line beyond that, where personal preference becomes policy- and that line should never, ever be crossed. Excellent point. The problem these days is that parent's personal policy becomes policy and are impressed upon their children from their youngest years. The result is we have more of the same type of people.
R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 00:51 Rocko wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 01:02 fucking christians are retarded as hell This is why I hate religion. Religious people act all superior like they own the world, and everyone else hates them for it. I quoted Rocko as an example. I don't get how you're bashing on Religious people specifically for this, since literally everyone tries to act supperior. But on-topic, yeah, I agree you shouldn't do witch-craft since it is against Christianity, if you are a Christian, but that doesn't mean kids shouldn't be allowed to read fictional books about witch-craft.
I think the point that many people miss is the fact that parents are only trying to look out for their children. Misguided? Sure. Closed-minded? Most likely. Wrong to do so? Not if they're truly being sincere. It's the parents' job to help define their children's morals and beliefs. Of course, parents can go way wrong and indoctrinate their kids, but for the most part, the parents are only wanting to bring up their kids in a moral philosophy that they believe to be true. Personally, I wouldn't want to teach my kid any sense of moral relativism. I'm going to teach them a right and a wrong. I'd be a failure as a parent to tell my children to define their own morals and let society coach them. Once they get to a certain point, sure, I'm going to have to let them define their own morals, but until that point, I'm going to raise them as I see fit. It's something more parents need to be doing in America. Just not so much with the indoctrination.
if people were not force-fed christianity from birth and didn't learn about it until their teen years or at least like until high school, I wonder if anyone would still be foolish enough to believe in that ridiculous shit.
The practice of telling your kid they can't do something isn't the problem; it's that doing so for no reason at all- or, worse, a reason grounded in ignorance- does far more harm than good. The problem is that people who never learned to think for themselves tend to pass their blind obedience along by force of will (or, in some cases, brute force). That people do this has nothing at all to do with Christianity or any other religion- it has to do with people raising children in such a way that will cause them to actually resent their upbringing and- in the worst case- all semblance of stable, normal behavior. It is perfectly acceptable, even beneficial to pass one's own beliefs on to one's children. It gives those children a much-needed sense of stability and comfort until they can develop their own beliefs based on- here's the key- experience and knowledge. Experience and knowledge will be acquired one way or another, sooner or later, and the longer they are restricted the greater the shock to the system when they suddenly one day aren't.You can't keep a human being's head locked in a vise until they turn 18; I know not a single person whose parents did that who doesn't have serious emotional and psychological issues today. Not surprisingly, most of those same people have also strongly rejected their parents' beliefs and several of them are still trying to figure out where they really belong. In order to raise a happy, healthy, well adjusted person, you have to stop force-feeding them your own ideology at some point and let them come to their own conclusions- even if that means letting them dabble here and there with things you strongly dislike (so long as those things aren't illegal). That doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to take your child to church or send them to Sunday school, but it does mean that you can't place restrictions on what they may or may not do for the sole purpose of preventing exposure to those things until you can no longer possibly do so and get away with it. All children become curious, and if you don't let them satisfy that curiosity then they will rebel. It's all a question of degree, and banning entirely fictional stories written purely for entertainment goes way too far. Maybe I'm not the world's leading expert on good parenting, not being a parent myself, but I'll be damned if I can't speak from my own upbringing and my experience in learning how my friends and family were raised. I cannot think of a single example of a person, given an open-minded, understanding childhood (with reasonable discipline and a solid moral foundation of one sort or another), who wasn't far better off than someone forced along their parents' version of the straight and narrow until the day they left for college. I hope I remember that lesson if and when I ever do decide to start a family.
Discworld novels > H.Potter Problem of H.Potter is the low tead-twice factor. You read it, it's good, take next book.
Rocko wrote on Mon, 25 February 2008 21:35 if people were not force-fed christianity from birth and didn't learn about it until their teen years or at least like until high school, I wonder if anyone would still be foolish enough to believe in that ridiculous shit. Quite interesting how a number of Atheists convert to a religion well after they become adults... some who are revered in many intellectual circles. One example of someone was a "devout atheist"-turned-chrsitan who is well received in both the literary world and the philosophy world is C.S. Lewis. Heck, take a look at Scientology and the number of ADULTS turning to that.
Rocko is probably an alter boy who got pissed off at Christianity because some Priest touched him in the back room of the church.
Quote: "Because I have been enjoined by this Holy Office to abandon the false opinion that the Sun is the center and immovable, I abjure, curse, and detest the said errors and heresies contrary to the said Holy Church." -Galileo Galilei
The belief that the sun was in the center of the universe didn't have anything to do with Christianity, not that I know of. It was a general belief back then, like how we think that cheese is made of milk today.
Originally Blue wrote on Wed, 27 February 2008 20:26 The belief that the sun was in the center of the universe didn't have anything to do with Christianity, not that I know of. It was a general belief back then, like how we think that cheese is made of milk today. Your Bible reinforced those beliefs. And all this from a book that is claimed to be the inspired word of the all-knowing God (with capital G). warranto wrote on Wed, 27 February 2008 13:17 Rocko wrote on Mon, 25 February 2008 21:35 if people were not force-fed christianity from birth and didn't learn about it until their teen years or at least like until high school, I wonder if anyone would still be foolish enough to believe in that ridiculous shit. Quite interesting how a number of Atheists convert to a religion well after they become adults... some who are revered in many intellectual circles. Bertrand Russell from the "intellectual circles" said this: Quote: There is something feeble and contemptible about a person who cannot face life without the help of comfortable myths and cherished illusions.
Who says that myths and illusions can't be the thoughts that we are the highest life form, leaving us to a false arrogance.
Starbuzz wrote on Wed, 27 February 2008 20:35 Your Bible reinforced those beliefs. And all this from a book that is claimed to be the inspired word of the all-knowing God (with capital G). You aren't using logic here. We're humans, we're wrong sometimes, but a mistake like that doesn't make EVERYTHING we say wrong... and please give me your sources on that. I've seen no where in the bible, or on the internet where God said that the world is flat.
cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 08:29 Who says that myths and illusions can't be the thoughts that we are the highest life form, leaving us to a false arrogance. Because our beliefs are NOT based in myths and illusions but in logic and objectivity? Please don't make sensationalist false claims when you clearly have not made an effort to understand the philosophy behind Atheism. I thoroughly resent this false statement you made as it is the highest form of intellectual injustice that is targeted at Atheists and Agnostics today. Yeah, because if we think we are the highest life forms, then we are automatically arrogant right? FYI, the knowledge that we are the highest life form leads to humbleness and the highest level of responsibility as human beings rather than a feeling of arrogance as you falsely claim. Claims such as yours are the usual garbage thrown at Atheists by religious folks; the same self-righteous folks who claim the world is full of sinners in need of salvation (like as if there are no other problems to solve). Also, I feel more responsible as an Agnostic than I ever was as a Christian. And I was a devout Christian at that. But I was indifferent; I saw the world as sinners and believers just as you do today. You can't go about solving the world's problems with that attitude. As an Agnostic, I see EVERONE as a human being and have a greater respect for human life, the world we live in, the environment that we must protect for future generations and the animal species that must be preserved. There is no place for "the earth is going to end" bull. I feel disgusted when Bible thumpers get all excited and hyped up when Israel goes to war because apparently these are the "end-times." Originally Blue wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 16:46 Starbuzz wrote on Wed, 27 February 2008 20:35 Your Bible reinforced those beliefs. And all this from a book that is claimed to be the inspired word of the all-knowing God (with capital G). You aren't using logic here. We're humans, we're wrong sometimes, but a mistake like that doesn't make EVERYTHING we say wrong... I never have not used logic. Correct me if I am wrong but the Bible is supposed to the inspired word of God. As I understood, God came down to men in many forms (dreams, revelations, voice, visions) and that made men write down the books that you call the Bible. I know you never heard that because no Christian wants to go into what "inspired by God" really means. The men wrote down in their ignorance what they felt to be true at the time. NOBODY wants to talk more about the whole "God-inspired" issue. Now unless the man (and men) were a bunch of total retards, why would they make repeated mistakes over and over again in several books spanning years apart of the Bible simply reflecting the limited knowledge of the then-prevailing understanding of the world? Originally Blue wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 16:46 and please give me your sources on that. I've seen no where in the bible, or on the internet where God said that the world is flat. That's the problem. If God had said it, then the Bible would be correct no? But as explained above, men in their lack of knowlege and ignorance wrote the Bible. Quote: And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. Rev 7:1 Quote: As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. Ps 103:12 And don't tell me these verses are not to be taken literally because I have other verses that would blow you away. There are many many more verses that the Catholic Church in Europe upheld as the truth. And the only reason Christians don't believe this garbage from their own Bible today is because clearly the times have changed and scientific discoveries that you have learned in middle school are the accepted and dominant answers to ancient ignorance.
Amazing how the topics change +1
bisen11 wrote on Mon, 25 February 2008 19:58 When you say things like "Religious people..." and "everyone else..." it sure sounds like you're speaking for everyone in that group. He never said anything like "most" or "some" or "the extremists", not even "the loudest group within". So I'd say that counts as saying all. Your being hypocritical. You just said that I never said anything like "most" or "some." Then you go on to say that means I meant to say "all." I didn't say all, and I didn't say most, I didn't specify any amount. I think that the group of people, not everyone, not some, but the group in general. I have no idea how many people think like that, therefore I left the actual count out. I will never say all or none in such a way, especially when it relates to people's own morals. If you still don't understand what I mean than here is an example. We got 2 religious people. Both of the same religion however one is more strongly religious. What I meant by that comment was the one who is so strongly religious that they are blinded to everything else, not the other guy.
R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 16:37 Your being hypocritical. When were they not?
You know what pisses me off, starbuzz? You're bashing on many religions. You shouldn't call people idiots or retards or ignorant for being wrong, not that I'm saying that we're wrong. But you've said the word "ignorant" dozens of times now. I'd continue debate about religion with you, but stop acting like a 5 year old, and stop bashing on the Christian religion. Practically everything you said made Christians and other religious people look like they're freakin gangsters running around and murdering people and using threats to make them believe whatever! I'm ok if you try and convince us that Christianity is wrong, but insulting and bashing isn't going to make me change my mind. Go ahead, give me verses that'd "blow me away"
Starbuzz Because our beliefs are NOT based in myths and illusions but in logic and objectivity? Please don't make sensationalist false claims when you clearly have not made an effort to understand the philosophy behind Atheism. I thoroughly resent this false statement you made as it is the highest form of intellectual injustice that is targeted at Atheists and Agnostics today. Yeah, because if we think we are the highest life forms, then we are automatically arrogant right? FYI, the knowledge that we are the highest life form leads to humbleness and the highest level of responsibility as human beings rather than a feeling of arrogance as you falsely claim. Claims such as yours are the usual garbage thrown at Atheists by religious folks; the same self-righteous folks who claim the world is full of sinners in need of salvation (like as if there are no other problems to solve). Also, I feel more responsible as an Agnostic than I ever was as a Christian. And I was a devout Christian at that. But I was indifferent; I saw the world as sinners and believers just as you do today. You can't go about solving the world's problems with that attitude. As an Agnostic, I see EVERONE as a human being and have a greater respect for human life, the world we live in, the environment that we must protect for future generations and the animal species that must be preserved. There is no place for "the earth is going to end" bull. I feel disgusted when Bible thumpers get all excited and hyped up when Israel goes to war because apparently these are the "end-times." Wow, you are a blowhard. Since when do people feel humble when they view themselves as superiors? The VAST MAJORITY of people with power are arrogant fucktards. Very few people are humbled by the power of which they hold. The fact that you claim what I said is sensationalist is proof enough of your utter arrogance on the subject. I realize that I omitted the question mark, but I thought it was clear that it was just a simple question on the flip side of what you were arguing. Thanks for blowing it out of proportion as if that's meant to be some attack. Who's being the sensationalist, now? Just because you've come to regret your upbringing doesn't mean you're any more stable mentally than you were as a devout Christian. Ever think that you possibly hold the same arrogance as you did then? It sure looks like it to me. Then, perhaps, it's not the religion that made you arrogant. Maybe it's just you. Oh, and don't ever think you can label me as a Bible thumper. Again, that just shows your blatant arrogance on the issue. Everybody who disagrees with you MUST be a Bible thumper because why else would people disagree. Right? Wrong. I'm a Theist, thank you very much. I don't believe in the Bible anymore, but that doesn't mean I'm going to start bashing Christians for believing what they do. You, for whatever fucked up reason (ie. arrogance), feel that it's your job to keep up your rebellion. Good job, you're certainly making Atheism and Agnosticism more attractive world views. Oh, and again, you only need to look no further than yourself to see that your claim of humbleness is defeated.
Originally Blue wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 19:40 You know what pisses me off, starbuzz? You're bashing on many religions. Ever heard of a debate? I kept it as civil and toned-down as possible and would not consider this as bashing. Originally Blue wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 19:40 You shouldn't call people idiots or retards or ignorant for being wrong, not that I'm saying that we're wrong. But you've said the word "ignorant" dozens of times now. I'd continue debate about religion with you, but stop acting like a 5 year old, and stop bashing on the Christian religion. I can't see how you can handle a heated debate. Originally Blue wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 19:40 Practically everything you said made Christians and other religious people look like they're freakin gangsters running around and murdering people and using threats to make them believe whatever! Pulling accusations out of our ass are we? If what I am saying is making you look like shit, then I say you are not ready for this subforum. Originally Blue wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 19:40 I'm ok if you try and convince us that Christianity is wrong, but insulting and bashing isn't going to make me change my mind. That's not true when for the whole time I have been here in the forums debating religion, you are good at seeing all my "convincing" as insulting and bashing. Originally Blue wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 19:40 Go ahead, give me verses that'd "blow me away" Pissed off for no reason? I expected a cowardly reply from you like this. Thanks for proving me right. NOTE: Your WHOLE post was a misguided rant with zero relevance to the topic. cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 20:03 Since when do people feel humble when they view themselves as superiors? The VAST MAJORITY of people with power are arrogant fucktards. Very few people are humbled by the power of which they hold. Since when in time did Atheists view themselves as superior to anything? You need to do a lot of reading to understand the philosophy behind Atheism. Don't talk like you are an expert when you don't have the slightest clue. And also, Atheists hold no power whatsoever in their mere beliefs. That said, the rest of your post is garbage. And yes, calling me "arrogant" and referring to my upbringing and classifying this debate as my continued "rebellion" shows your total lack of judgment. It is certaintly a good way to blow off your steam. You guys do an excellent job of defending your beliefs: by name-calling and "e-screaming." If I were here as a Chrisitan, I would have replied to all of Starbuzz's posts with my faith and the Bible...something some here are totally incapable of doing. cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 20:03 Oh, and don't ever think you can label me as a Bible thumper. If you cared to read my post, it is pretty clear I was referring to the Rapturists and the "End-Times" madmen as the Bible thumpers. Unless you are one like that, you were not being labeled that. cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 20:03 Oh, and again, you only need to look no further than yourself to see that your claim of humbleness is defeated. An Atheist's humblenss is in context with other living beings. To say that I am not humble because I question and debate and argue is the most arrogant statement I ever heard. We have too many people in this world who shut up and sit tight afraid to voice their opinions.
The fact that you think man is humbled by the idea that they are alone in the world as far as "supreme beings" go is funny. Religious people, as a whole, are just as humbled. There are plenty of VERY intelligent people that are Christians. There are the annoying extremists and fundamentalists who make it a point to judge others, but that's not religion as a whole. Again, just because you're rebelling against the fundamentalism that you were brought up into doesn't mean you're any more humbled than religious people as a whole. More humbled than your parents? Possibly, but don't make me laugh by claiming that people are humbled by admitting to the idea that there's no god. Stop calling me a Christian. It doesn't help your argument to lump me in with fundamentalists. It just shows that you're just throwing out random shit at me after getting pissy with my first paragraph or two. Edit: Oh, you removed the part where you implied I was a Christian still. Good catch... though I made it obvious.
cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 21:50 Stop calling me a Christian. It doesn't help your argument to lump me in with fundamentalists. It just shows that you're just throwing out random shit at me after getting pissy with my first paragraph or two. Edit: Oh, you removed the part where you implied I was a Christian still. Good catch... though I made it obvious. Ever heard of a typo fix? The post was edited way before you can claim this arrogantly. I only added in the last sentence. And no, unlike you, I don't get emotionally stressed after reading something in an internet forum.
Emotionally stressed? Nah. I just speak harshly towards that which I completely disagree with.
cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 20:58 Emotionally stressed? Nah. I just speak harshly towards that which I completely disagree with. Me too. (But apparently I am "arrogant" for doing so.)
Starbuzz wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 20:15 Originally Blue wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 19:40 You know what pisses me off, starbuzz? You're bashing on many religions. Ever heard of a debate? I kept it as civil and toned-down as possible and would not consider this as bashing. Look, reread your posts. Tell me how many times you called religious people stupid (ignorant), arrogant, or selfish. I mean, it's a bit hypocritic if you call people selfish, and then scream in these forums "I'M RIGHT! YOU'RE WRONG! YOU'RE STUPID!" Quote: Originally Blue wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 19:40 You shouldn't call people idiots or retards or ignorant for being wrong, not that I'm saying that we're wrong. But you've said the word "ignorant" dozens of times now. I'd continue debate about religion with you, but stop acting like a 5 year old, and stop bashing on the Christian religion. I can't see how you can handle a heated debate. Dude, I'm telling you to tone it down a little. Just because this internet forum, it isn't right to call people idiots just for believing in things you can't disprove. Quote: Originally Blue wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 19:40 Practically everything you said made Christians and other religious people look like they're freakin gangsters running around and murdering people and using threats to make them believe whatever! Pulling accusations out of our ass are we? If what I am saying is making you look like shit, then I say you are not ready for this subforum. I never said that you make me look bad. I'm saying you're criticizing religion in a negative way, without even considering the positive things it's done.. Quote: Originally Blue wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 19:40 I'm ok if you try and convince us that Christianity is wrong, but insulting and bashing isn't going to make me change my mind. That's not true when for the whole time I have been here in the forums debating religion, you are good at seeing all my "convincing" as insulting and bashing. Again, reread your previous posts, and tell me how many times you called people "ignorant" and "arrogant" for believing in god. Quote: Originally Blue wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 19:40 Go ahead, give me verses that'd "blow me away" Pissed off for no reason? I expected a cowardly reply from you like this. Thanks for proving me right. In what way was that reply cowardly? What am I being a coward of? Do you see me... hiding, or running, or avoiding any topics? No, I straight down told you to stop insulting religions, and use some logic for once. Ironic how you tell me that I'm pulling accusions out of my ass, then you say that I'm pissed off for no reason. I have a very good reason to be pissed off. Also, you offered verses that'd "blow me away." I still see no verses, just more insults. This is a debate. Not a argument.
A debate is an argument. It ironic you say this is a debate and all you can manage to come up with to my posts is "OMG STOP INSULTS BASHING!$#@%^^" *chuckles* With all due respect, you are once again more interested in my choice of words and presentation instead of replying to the subject. So much for debate, huh? Peace.
warranto wrote on Wed, 27 February 2008 13:17 Rocko wrote on Mon, 25 February 2008 21:35 if people were not force-fed christianity from birth and didn't learn about it until their teen years or at least like until high school, I wonder if anyone would still be foolish enough to believe in that ridiculous shit. One example of someone was a "devout atheist"-turned-chrsitan who is well received in both the literary world and the philosophy world is C.S. Lewis. I don't find that the person who wrote a piece of shit like chronicles of narnia to be some super intellectual.
Rocko wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 21:44 warranto wrote on Wed, 27 February 2008 13:17 Rocko wrote on Mon, 25 February 2008 21:35 if people were not force-fed christianity from birth and didn't learn about it until their teen years or at least like until high school, I wonder if anyone would still be foolish enough to believe in that ridiculous shit. One example of someone was a "devout atheist"-turned-chrsitan who is well received in both the literary world and the philosophy world is C.S. Lewis. I don't find that the person who wrote a piece of shit like chronicles of narnia to be some super intellectual. That's because it's a novel, written about 50 years ago, so a guy could make money.
Rocko wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 22:44 warranto wrote on Wed, 27 February 2008 13:17 Rocko wrote on Mon, 25 February 2008 21:35 if people were not force-fed christianity from birth and didn't learn about it until their teen years or at least like until high school, I wonder if anyone would still be foolish enough to believe in that ridiculous shit. One example of someone was a "devout atheist"-turned-chrsitan who is well received in both the literary world and the philosophy world is C.S. Lewis. I don't find that the person who wrote a piece of shit like chronicles of narnia to be some super intellectual. Heh, unfortunatly the literary world and the philosophy world disagree with you. I could really care less what the average and contextually-uneducated person thinks of him. Unless, you mean to tell me you are an English or Philosophy major who has studied his works? Also, a quick google search shows a number of people who have changed from atheism to religion as an adult. One such person: http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=1b665e72-5562-45ab-bc11 -2a88a339ba6c&k=77212
Starbuzz wrote on Thu, 21 February 2008 22:34 It is such a wonderfully written story that transports you into another world where you can live in. That was the main attraction for me...a story where you will feel like you are there!
Blazer wrote on Fri, 29 February 2008 11:24 Starbuzz wrote on Thu, 21 February 2008 22:34 It is such a wonderfully written story that transports you into another world where you can live in. That was the main attraction for me...a story where you will feel like you are there! ROFL
warranto wrote on Fri, 29 February 2008 10:48 Also, a quick google search shows a number of people who have changed from atheism to religion as an adult. One such person: http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=1b665e72-5562-45ab-bc11 -2a88a339ba6c&k=77212 Warranto completely ignores current religious trends and brings up a few exceptional examples from ages past. Quote: A staunch atheist at the time, Strobel decided to use his journalism and legal training to investigate whether there was any credibility to Christianity. What kind of an idiot Atheist (a staunch one at that) needs to investigate further to find any "credibility" to an opposing school of thought? Haha...this guy had no initiative. He does not deserve to be called an Atheist. No wonder he converted to Christianity like the mis-informed jelly-doughnut that he was. Also, warranto, this is the most recent information on the state of things today (dated Feb 25, 2008): http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/02/25/religion.survey.ap/index.html?ire f=newssearch Happy reading! --- @ Blazer: I don't give two asshats about the poorly-made movies and was not talking about the movie. I make my own "movie" in my mind as I read the book.
Hehee...just giving ya shit man...agreed that the "mind movies" are usually much better than the ones at the theatre.
warranto wrote on Fri, 29 February 2008 10:48 Rocko wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 22:44 warranto wrote on Wed, 27 February 2008 13:17 Rocko wrote on Mon, 25 February 2008 21:35 if people were not force-fed christianity from birth and didn't learn about it until their teen years or at least like until high school, I wonder if anyone would still be foolish enough to believe in that ridiculous shit. One example of someone was a "devout atheist"-turned-chrsitan who is well received in both the literary world and the philosophy world is C.S. Lewis. I don't find that the person who wrote a piece of shit like chronicles of narnia to be some super intellectual. Heh, unfortunatly the literary world and the philosophy world disagree with you. I could really care less what the average and contextually-uneducated person thinks of him. Unless, you mean to tell me you are an English or Philosophy major who has studied his works? Also, a quick google search shows a number of people who have changed from atheism to religion as an adult. One such person: http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=1b665e72-5562-45ab-bc11 -2a88a339ba6c&k=77212 i major in nigonomotry also he was most likely was ignorant enough already that he first became an athiest as a rebellious teen and then while still with the same retarded mind found some charismatic priest who got him to believe in christianity without really proving or saying anything.
Rocko wrote on Fri, 29 February 2008 19:43 i major in nigonomotry also he was most likely was ignorant enough already that he first became an athiest as a rebellious teen and then while still with the same retarded mind found some charismatic priest who got him to believe in christianity without really proving or saying anything. Thinking that you might have actually said somting intellectual, I went and google'd.... "nigonomotry". You believe everything needs to be proved? You're obviously wrong.
cnc95fan wrote on Fri, 29 February 2008 20:50 Rocko wrote on Fri, 29 February 2008 19:43 i major in nigonomotry also he was most likely was ignorant enough already that he first became an athiest as a rebellious teen and then while still with the same retarded mind found some charismatic priest who got him to believe in christianity without really proving or saying anything. Thinking that you might have actually said somting intellectual, I went and google'd.... "nigonomotry". http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc167/cnc95fan/yousuck.jpg[/img] You believe everything needs to be proved? You're obviously wrong. lol at how you are totally not understanding the joke he made there.
u6795 wrote on Fri, 29 February 2008 19:51 cnc95fan wrote on Fri, 29 February 2008 20:50 Rocko wrote on Fri, 29 February 2008 19:43 i major in nigonomotry also he was most likely was ignorant enough already that he first became an athiest as a rebellious teen and then while still with the same retarded mind found some charismatic priest who got him to believe in christianity without really proving or saying anything. Thinking that you might have actually said somting intellectual, I went and google'd.... "nigonomotry". http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc167/cnc95fan/yousuck.jpg[/img] You believe everything needs to be proved? You're obviously wrong. lol at how you are totally not understanding the joke he made there. Point it out please.
'nigonomotry' It relates to a commonly used term of endearment among people of African descent, which I don't think I'll say due to everyone probably going OMFG RACIST.
i bet if this was the 1700's cncfan would be a slave trader
Rocko wrote on Sat, 01 March 2008 02:02 i bet if this was the 1700's cncfan would be a slave trader And you would be the slave.
Rocko wrote on Fri, 29 February 2008 20:02 i bet if this was the 1700's cncfan would be a slave trader I'm not a racist. You're an idiot. You're also a victim. Poor you, stop feeling sorry for yourself.
Rocko wrote on Fri, 29 February 2008 19:43 i major in nigonomotry Holy Shit, I don't think I've laughed so hard in years.
Rocko, once again you complain about the race distinctions which you also uphold, one side or the other, please...
Starbuzz wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 21:49 With all due respect, you are once again more interested in my choice of words and presentation instead of replying to the subject. So much for debate, huh? Peace. I do reply to the subject, and you fail to even consider it. You tell me that I'm going off-topic, but look at you now. You're avoiding some of my replies to this topic.This is probably, wait, this IS the third time I said this. Quote: Also, you offered verses that'd "blow me away." I still see no verses, just more insults. and all you've said to me is "you're being a coward, you're going off topic, etc." My definition of debate, and a common one, is "A formal disagreement between two parties," and my definition of argument, again a common one, "A violent disagreement, which usually involves verbal insults." You fail to see the difference, or even undestand the meaning, but you tell me that I wouldn't even survive a debate.
WOW you are a big dumbass that can't read. Clearly the additional verse offer was under a certain context you are dumb enough to not understand. Keep posting and make yourself look like an idiot more. As for the name-calling, welcome to the internet and don't act as if you never name-called anyone here. EDIT: lmfaooo @ your definition of argument.
Starbuzz wrote on Sat, 01 March 2008 16:21 WOW you are a big dumbass that can't read. Clearly the additional verse offer was under a certain context you are dumb enough to not understand. Keep posting and make yourself look like an idiot more. As for the name-calling, welcome to the internet and don't act as if you never name-called anyone here. EDIT: lmfaooo @ your definition of argument. My point proven.