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I started this topic because an angry mod would didn't want to be proven wrong close a topic that was on the topic subject and blah blah blah. Anyway, this will bring what people THINK they know to show them how little they know. Bittorrent is illegal? You are dumb. I have no idea where to start but here it goes: Point 1)Bittorrent is 100% legal in every single country. How you ask? The actual .torrent file is only metadata, they contain NO copyrighted material. Point 2)Bittorrent especially for "backup" purposes is 100% legal, stated by federal law (even in the US), despite what companies/corporations try to tell you. Point 3)The way it works, the .torrent file connects you to users with the full (or sometimes partial) copy of the rquested file, you download from the "swarm", and you upload, which turns into their download speed from you. The website/tracker does NOT host any copyrighted material either. Point 4)In a recent HUGE case between the MPAA/RIAA vs American College students (some 15,000 users in total), the MPAA/RIAA lost because the court found Bittorrent can not be held reliable for what users upload/distributed, and the fact that it can also be used for legal purposes (legaltorrents.com) And finally @ that mod: 1)demonoid got shutdown? LOL. You have proven your lack of knowledge about this subject already. 2)elite torrents is a TOTTALY different matter, it was a private site meaning you need donations to gain access to the site, and the only reason they lost in court was because the stupid judge assumed that the money went towards the personal wealth of the admin vs annoymous paypal accounts which were used ONLY to pay for the server (which was the cause), and making money off "pirated" material is a serious offense, so infact, the site was NOT shutdown because of the BT side of things. More information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_%28protocol%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA My credibility? -mod on the worlds 8th largest bittorrent site/tracker -been using P2P for about 8 years -I download 120GB+/month
yeah we all know Bittorrent is legal. to say it's illegal would mean you're dumb.
Surely the arguement isn't whether the technology used in bit torrent is illegal, but rather that using it to download materials under copyright without the copyright holders permission is illegal? Oh, and morally wrong too... you thieving bastards!
BT is perfectly legal, and many companies use it to send data to consumers. But the argument was about someone downloading copyrighted material which is illegal. Still, this is one of those rare instances where I'll agree with trooprm02, in that the moderators may have shot the messenger.
BT itself is legal but what it is mostly used for is not, so it will always be frowned upon by the authorities. It's like if a gang-banger is caught with a bunch of teflon-coated "cop killer" bullets....by themselves they are perfectly legal, but what are they designed to do, and what will they ultimately be used for? Knowing that it is used for piracy but there is "nothing" they can do about it pisses them off, so they do things like pressure ISP's to block P2P traffic, etc.
trooprm02 speaks the truth.
Blazer wrote on Thu, 14 February 2008 03:50 BT itself is legal but what it is mostly used for is not, so it will always be frowned upon by the authorities. It's like if a gang-banger is caught with a bunch of teflon-coated "cop killer" bullets....by themselves they are perfectly legal, but what are they designed to do, and what will they ultimately be used for? Knowing that it is used for piracy but there is "nothing" they can do about it pisses them off, so they do things like pressure ISP's to block P2P traffic, etc. Did you just compare downloading porn to killing police? IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 14 February 2008 08:54 trooprm02 speaks the truth. There is something I never thought I would see in writing. BT is awsome.
I never claimed the technology used was illegal. The fact all of these torrent sites share links that help you acquire illegal content is illegal, though. Helping someone to do something illegal is also illegal, in case you didn't know this. How does the fact you download 120+ GB of data, most of which is probably copyright protected content, give you any form of credibility? It rather affects your credibility negatively. Same for being part of the bit torrent administration team... So yes, a torrent-file would probably be legal. Using them to spread copyright protected content isn't. One should see this topic in its context, though. Someone asked on this forum where he could download Renegade full version. Trooprm explained him where he could get it and how he could use it woithout a valid serial. I moved his post to the silo. Then afterwards he started his "torrent sites aren't illegal" posts... This will be my final post on this issue. It's not as if we're going to come to an agreement here, are we? I'll keep removing links you might post to spread illegal content, though.
Sharing a link to a not so legal content is fine, hosting the legal content is not. But, this is really pointless, I can bet over half the users here are happy to download whatever they want, only a small selection of the community are anti-p2p.
So your saying if I post a link to a bittorrent website, you would edit my post to remove the link? May I ask why? For example, Isohunt recently was fighting a lawsuit as well, and I could go into details (I know the admin somewhat personally), but even in the AMERICAN court system, ALL charges were dismissed, and the website was deemed legal, partially on the fact that it can (and is) also used for legal purposes. Why remove links to a perfectly legal site? @Blazer, in a case last week, a Belgium ISP, "tele2" was ordered to block access to the pirate bay, for "conspiracy to commite copyright infringment", and surprisingly it passed. Guess what...the law didn't even last till this week. The EU high court (after being appealed) ruled that the ban on a LEGAL website infringed on the privacy and rights of Tele2 users, AND that such a law in the first place was ILLEGAL, and its gets more complicated but basically, ISP have NO RIGHT to monitor let alone decide for themselves what their users are doing. In Saudi Arabia, a similiar case, the country actually firewalled several BT websites, it lasted about a month before ISP customers protested and threated to leave for a few smaller ISP's not firewalled, all those sites were unblocked. @Goztow, I was directing him to a bittorrent website to dowload a "backup" copy of Renegade, which again, 100% legal, in both my country and his.
Quote: @Blazer, in a case last week, a Belgium ISP, "tele2" was ordered to block access to the pirate bay, for "conspiracy to commite copyright infringment", and surprisingly it passed. Guess what...the law didn't even last till this week. The EU high court (after being appealed) ruled that the ban on a LEGAL website infringed on the privacy and rights of Tele2 users, AND that such a law in the first place was ILLEGAL, and its gets more complicated but basically, ISP have NO RIGHT to monitor let alone decide for themselves what their users are doing. Wow, now you're the expert here but... * it was Tele 2 in Denmark, not in Belgium * not the blocking itself but the motivation of the judge was against the European laws who say that they can't be responsible for the data passing on their routers (more or less). It had nothing to do with the rights of the users, though that would indeed fit your story better. Just to correct your incorrect info.
Makes no different between those two countries, both are members of the EU, and either way the law was ILLEGAL. Its funny how much money was spent on pressuring Tele 2 to do this, and in less than an entire week, it was all undone. I have a feeling the judge who made the original ruling might even be in deep shit, bribed? Also, The Pirate Bay has a right to counter-sue for damages and defamation.
The "law" isn't illegal, as I said: the motivation of the judge was found to be against European legislation. There's a big difference. If PB wants to counter sue, then they'll have to proove damages. That will be very hard as it seems that all this publicity has made their number of visitors go way up and Tele2 never actually blocked their adress.
In China it is against the law to visit any "anti-China" website. Most of them get "filtered" out as well. It is perfectly legal for an ISP to monitor your usage, and even block certain things if they have to. However there are many ways to circumvent them.
RoShamBo wrote on Fri, 15 February 2008 16:52 In China it is against the law to visit any "anti-China" website. Most of them get "filtered" out as well. It is perfectly legal for an ISP to monitor your usage, and even block certain things if they have to. However there are many ways to circumvent them. To restrict my access to the free media is in contravention of article 17a of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, so it's kinda illegal, actually.
CarrierII wrote on Fri, 15 February 2008 11:23 RoShamBo wrote on Fri, 15 February 2008 16:52 In China it is against the law to visit any "anti-China" website. Most of them get "filtered" out as well. It is perfectly legal for an ISP to monitor your usage, and even block certain things if they have to. However there are many ways to circumvent them. To restrict my access to the free media is in contravention of article 17a of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, so it's kinda illegal, actually. Thats the obvious one, and the fact that China is a craaaaazy ass dictatorship, so why compare yourself to them? That makes alot of sense...
I love my torrents. I'll admit, 99% of what I torrent is copyrighted material that I do NOT own the rights to. However, I can easily justify this... What I torrent is mostly music. I don't just use this music for "trials" and then delete it. I do keep it on my harddrive, but if I like the music enough, I will go out and buy the CD for it. Case in point? Yesterday, I purchased Clutch's "Blast Tyrant" and today bought their "From Beale Street to Oblivion" album that I originally torrented last night. Like it has been proven, those that download music are much more likely to actually purchase music in a store. Damn us "thieves". Oh, and Demonoid was only shut down because their host is a pussy company that couldn't stand the heat from the CRIA. Fucking wimps. Also, remember 10/23. RIP OiNK. Edit: Goztow, you say that "helping" people do something illegal is also illegal, right? Only if their intention is to help people to do things illegally. If a shop owner sells a guy a gun and the guy murders someone, the gun shop owner is NOT an accessory. Nor are torrent sites that allow people to download music illegally. The premise of a torrent site isn't necessarily to illegally download copyrighted content. Sure, we can all agree that most sites are well aware that their trackers are used to illegally download music, but that is a moot point. It's not the purpose of the tracker, so they are not an accessory.
Demoniod hasn't been shutdown....they changed hosts...big whoop...
trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 15 February 2008 15:30 Demoniod hasn't been shutdown....they changed hosts...big whoop... Proof of this? When I access the Demonoid site, I get a link to their forums. If they changed hosts, they haven't opened the site on the new host, then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonoid#In_Canada Yes, it seems that they weren't shut down, they just needed to find a country where they could find someone willing to host their servers... Same thing, tbh. Cheesesoda, I agree with your definition but the comparison doesn't fully apply. Torrent sites could filter out copyrighted content but they choose not to. They got a lot of moderators, like our friend trooprm, they could even make some kind of "don't show publically unless aprooved by a mod" - system. Just like youtube will soon need to apply filtering software. Obviously they wouldn't be anywhere as popular as they are now if they did. + they do make money from the advertising on their website, though they might claim that it's only used for covering hosting costs. I don't agree that torrent sites don't have the intention to do help someone do something illegal. The admins are responsible for what is on their website, just like Crimson is responsible for what comes on this website. A gun shop owner also needs to check if the one buying it has a license. Choosing to ignore what happens is not a reason to claim innocence.
You are an idiot for arguing with people who think torrents are illegal. They aren't illegal. But what they ARE is a waste of time. I don't even bother with them any more. The only things that I have ever used a torrent to download was for Anime.. but there is IRC for that now.. Saying torrents are illegal is like saying the internet is illegal. If a torrent website gets shut down, it is because it is hosting torrents that are used to download pirated programs. The entire use of torrents though is not illegal. Just like P2P programs like Limewire, Bearshare, ect, aren't illegal either.
Goztow wrote on Fri, 15 February 2008 15:50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonoid#In_Canada Yes, it seems that they weren't shut down, they just needed to find a country where they could find someone willing to host their servers... Same thing, tbh. Cheesesoda, I agree with your definition but the comparison doesn't fully apply. Torrent sites could filter out copyrighted content but they choose not to. They got a lot of moderators, like our friend trooprm, they could even make some kind of "don't show publically unless aprooved by a mod" - system. Just like youtube will soon need to apply filtering software. Obviously they wouldn't be anywhere as popular as they are now if they did. + they do make money from the advertising on their website, though they might claim that it's only used for covering hosting costs. I don't agree that torrent sites don't have the intention to do help someone do something illegal. The admins are responsible for what is on their website, just like Crimson is responsible for what comes on this website. A gun shop owner also needs to check if the one buying it has a license. Choosing to ignore what happens is not a reason to claim innocence. Just because I download copyrighted content doesn't mean I'm downloading it illegally, either. If I download a movie, it could be that I have the DVD, but I would just rather not waste the time ripping it then encoding it. Also, I don't see why it should be considered "illegal" if someone downloads a copyrighted album, and then deletes it, or if they own the CD, but don't want to rip it or have lost the album. There are plenty of reasons why copyrighted content isn't necessarily downloaded for illegal purposes. As for sites like TPB, they take the strict stance of being the means to sharing, but they don't moderate what they have. This, at one point, even included child porn. You could find child porn on TPB, since they didn't moderate anything. Edit: I love torrents. It's great for finding new music. I wouldn't like half the bands I do if it weren't for "illegal" sharing.
biggest problem with tpb is that there are also a lot of viruses due to lack of control. Wheres my beloved supernova
anyone have an invite for scenetorrents?
cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 15 February 2008 16:05 Just because I download copyrighted content doesn't mean I'm downloading it illegally, either. If I download a movie, it could be that I have the DVD, but I would just rather not waste the time ripping it then encoding it. Yea, but have you actually ever read the cover of CDs or DVDs? Often it will say on there "Do not make copies of this disk" or something like that. Without specifying under what circumstances, it just says don't copy it. Meaning even if you wanted to rip a DVD you already owned, it still be illegal. But that is only in some cases.
Which is complete and utter bullshit, and that shouldn't even be considered by anybody to be a valid argument for something being "illegal".
Digital Millennium Copyright Act - the official government summary United States Code Title 17 - 92 pages of copyright laws! Renegade End-User License Agreement (.doc format) - Read Section 2, Paragraph 3 (on the first page). Enjoy. Edit: I just found the DMCA in its entirety.
Dam...the stupid things that some people say.. 1)TPB does NOT host any child porn, from their about page: To report child abuse or other similar unlawful activities please do so to your local authority. In Sweden you can contact childabuse@rkp.police.se to report child abuse matters. Please do so. 2)I am fully sided with TPB, full media sharing of all files for the advancement of cultural/social structure should be allowed. Either way, the amount of money made by the music industry in particulur has been going up steedly, now how does that work out? 3)Demoniod's many trackers were not even down for 6 hours, the only thing that needs to be re-hosting is the website which is what people upload the .torrent files to (which as mentioned, perfectlly legal), which shouldn't be too hard to find a host of, the only thing was that they have a REALLY bullshit western-canada ISP, which is the only reason they went offline for even a second anyway. If the site had been located eastern-canada, it would have stayed online.
I am against it. Mainly because the media market is dwindling. The Anime market is hurting because of it too. Western companies aren't localizing as many anymore because they don't make as much money as they used to off of it. Cause people simply download them from Japan and fan sub them then people download those instead.
trooprm02 1)TPB does NOT host any child porn Hey, jackass, did I say they did? Oh, wait... nope! What I said was that TPB had, at one point, such a no moderation of uploaded torrents that it even included child porn. I CLEARLY made it PAST TENSE. Do you know what "past tense" means, you fucking idiot? Apparently not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pirate_Bay#Swedish_child_pornography_filter Read up, jackass. 2. CD sales (at least, in America) have been declining since 2000. Just making sure you're including digital sales in that statement. 3. The fact that the website is still down was the cause of the CRIA putting pressure on their ISP. Demonoid is NOT fully-functional, and as far as anyone needs to be concerned, it's still "down". What I don't get is the overall message of what I've been saying is in SUPPORT of torrenting, but either you're too fucking stupid to realize this or you have some awfully pathetic desire to argue with me over the smallest of shit even when agreeing on the overall topic. For fuck's sake, kid. Grow the Hell up.
Just an FYI for your Comcast guys: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/16/0422249&from=rss "An article at TorrentFreak notes that several BitTorrent developers have proposed a new protocol extension with the ability to bypass the BitTorrent interfering techniques used by Comcast and other ISPs. 'This new form of encryption will be implemented in BitTorrent clients including uTorrent, so Comcast subscribers are free to share again. The goal of this new type of encryption (or obfuscation) is to prevent ISPs from blocking or disrupting BitTorrent traffic connections that span between the receiver of a tracker response and any peer IP-port appearing in that tracker response, according to the proposal.'"
R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 15 February 2008 21:58 You are an idiot for arguing with people who think torrents are illegal. Oops, you didn't read all replies...
cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 15 February 2008 23:37 trooprm02 1)TPB does NOT host any child porn Hey, jackass, did I say they did? Oh, wait... nope! What I said was that TPB had, at one point, such a no moderation of uploaded torrents that it even included child porn. I CLEARLY made it PAST TENSE. Do you know what "past tense" means, you fucking idiot? Apparently not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pirate_Bay#Swedish_child_pornography_filter Read up, jackass. 2. CD sales (at least, in America) have been declining since 2000. Just making sure you're including digital sales in that statement. 3. The fact that the website is still down was the cause of the CRIA putting pressure on their ISP. Demonoid is NOT fully-functional, and as far as anyone needs to be concerned, it's still "down". What I don't get is the overall message of what I've been saying is in SUPPORT of torrenting, but either you're too fucking stupid to realize this or you have some awfully pathetic desire to argue with me over the smallest of shit even when agreeing on the overall topic. For fuck's sake, kid. Grow the Hell up. TPB isn't down ...
I swear, people just ignore everything I say. Look and tell me if you don't see "Demonoid" in #3. It's there. I just looked. Edit: I realize I made it seem like I was only replying to his #1 point, but I tried to make it somewhat clear that I was replying to his other points by numbering them accordingly. Edit2: Of course you wouldn't see "Demonoid" in #2... it's in #3.
Blazer wrote on Fri, 15 February 2008 21:21 anyone have an invite for scenetorrents? nah, I have 16 invites to a much better private tracker.
I has a few to what.cd. I thought I had an account at stmusic, but I can't sign in. O_O
1)TPB did not EVERY support uploading child porn, and it has ALWAYS been against their usage policy. Child porn is 1 of the many things they DO filter for. 2)The demoniod TRACKERS were not even down for more than 6 hours, AND there is a backup way to upload torrents to them anyway, so basically Demoniod ONLY lost the GUI (the website). Which is like 1% of their entire infrastructure anyway. Ping the many demoniod trackers, see for yourself. And the sub-admin has said for right now, they are not worried about the website, they want to subtract attention from themselves.
I think it should be said that many of us payed to play Renegade. Now I cannot find the original topic that this thread has spurred from, but really, you can pick up a copy of Renegade for a decent price. Most people here can afford really awesome computers, and internet access, so why can they not afford a new copy of an old game?
I wonder if Trooprm02 got Renegade illegally... *starts to wonder if we should suggest to EA to sue... ;o*
trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 16 February 2008 17:14 1)TPB did not EVERY support uploading child porn, and it has ALWAYS been against their usage policy. Child porn is 1 of the many things they DO filter for. 2)The demoniod TRACKERS were not even down for more than 6 hours, AND there is a backup way to upload torrents to them anyway, so basically Demoniod ONLY lost the GUI (the website). Which is like 1% of their entire infrastructure anyway. Ping the many demoniod trackers, see for yourself. And the sub-admin has said for right now, they are not worried about the website, they want to subtract attention from themselves. 1. You have to be the stupidest person I've ever encountered. Did I say that they ever supported it? No. Did I ever say that they don't filter for it? No. I said that at one point their moderation of uploaded torrents was so lax that they DID NOT remove ANY torrents, INCLUDING CHILD PORN. Did you read the link I gave you, or do you just assume that you know more than the collective body of Wikipedia users and therefore ignored the link? 2. You claim to know torrenting quite well, so I figure you understand the concept that torrents can't be downloaded without the torrent being uploaded TO the tracker, so as it's a registered torrent. Generally, this process is done VIA A WEBSITE. The tracker is useless if there is no new torrents or leechers. It's like a car without any wheels. Sure, you can start the car and it runs, but it's not exactly mobile, thus rendered useless. You wouldn't say that the car is operational, would you? I didn't think so. Edit: Troop, do you realize the difference between past and present? According to the bullshit you're arguing, you don't differentiate between the two. So, by using your logic, you can completely ignore the history of your own country and deny the fact that Canada was ever a colony of France and Britain. Since Canada is currently its own sovereign nation, it must have always been one. If it has always been its own nation, it could never have been colonized by England or France. Why is this? Because the past never existed or doesn't matter, according your fucked-up logic.
no nerd essays lmmmfaoo..Yes, lets get into the subject of colonilization.. You phail quite hard, sir. Duh torrents are mostly uploaded thro the website because 9.9/10 times, thats the trackers GUI, theres MANY other ways to get the file hosted/located on the tracker..
I was giving a random example of why your logic is incredifail. Going to ignore the fact that I'm right about the whole TPB thing? I thought so.
no...you are soo wrong i dont fell like typing out 1 of your g33k online essays lllmfao.
Read the info on the link that I gave you. If you can argue against me after that point, you will basically prove to everybody that you have the cognition of a 3 year-old.
trooprm02 wrote on Sun, 17 February 2008 04:46 g33k online essays lllmfao. trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 16 February 2008 21:40 no nerd essays lmmmfaoo.. trooprm02 wrote on Wed, 13 February 2008 20:19 I started this topic because an angry mod would didn't want to be proven wrong close a topic that was on the topic subject and blah blah blah. Anyway, this will bring what people THINK they know to show them how little they know. Bittorrent is illegal? You are dumb. I have no idea where to start but here it goes: Point 1)Bittorrent is 100% legal in every single country. How you ask? The actual .torrent file is only metadata, they contain NO copyrighted material. Point 2)Bittorrent especially for "backup" purposes is 100% legal, stated by federal law (even in the US), despite what companies/corporations try to tell you. Point 3)The way it works, the .torrent file connects you to users with the full (or sometimes partial) copy of the rquested file, you download from the "swarm", and you upload, which turns into their download speed from you. The website/tracker does NOT host any copyrighted material either. Point 4)In a recent HUGE case between the MPAA/RIAA vs American College students (some 15,000 users in total), the MPAA/RIAA lost because the court found Bittorrent can not be held reliable for what users upload/distributed, and the fact that it can also be used for legal purposes (legaltorrents.com) And finally @ that mod: 1)demonoid got shutdown? LOL. You have proven your lack of knowledge about this subject already. 2)elite torrents is a TOTTALY different matter, it was a private site meaning you need donations to gain access to the site, and the only reason they lost in court was because the stupid judge assumed that the money went towards the personal wealth of the admin vs annoymous paypal accounts which were used ONLY to pay for the server (which was the cause), and making money off "pirated" material is a serious offense, so infact, the site was NOT shutdown because of the BT side of things. More information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_%28protocol%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA My credibility? -mod on the worlds 8th largest bittorrent site/tracker -been using P2P for about 8 years -I download 120GB+/month
trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 16 February 2008 21:46 no...you are soo wrong i dont fell like typing out 1 of your g33k online essays lllmfao. yeah, you certainly dont have enough time to write an essay, considering you wrote this answer 2 minutes after cheesesodas post
trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 16 February 2008 21:40 no nerd essays lmmmfaoo..Yes, lets get into the subject of colonilization.. You phail quite hard, sir. Duh torrents are mostly uploaded thro the website because 9.9/10 times, thats the trackers GUI, theres MANY other ways to get the file hosted/located on the tracker.. Ad hominem sir faggot.
This thread is retarded.. All it is is "Omg you're an idiot" "No you are!" "Nuh-uh, YOU!" Grow up!
funny how when people are proven wrong they resort to personal insults, you guys must be cool in real life! lmfao
R315r4z0r wrote on Sun, 17 February 2008 11:36 This thread is retarded.. All it is is "Omg you're an idiot" "No you are!" "Nuh-uh, YOU!" Grow up! trooprm02 wrote on Sun, 17 February 2008 13:47 funny how when people are proven wrong they resort to personal insults, you guys must be cool in real life! lmfao Case and point.
trooprm02 wrote on Sun, 17 February 2008 13:47 funny how when people are proven wrong they resort to personal insults, you guys must be cool in real life! lmfao The thing is, I have yet to be proven wrong. All you've done is repeatedly say that TPB currently prohibits child porn and it's one of the few things they WILL moderator for. However, you haven't proven that this has always been their policy. I'm waiting... To make it easier for you, I'll just prove you wrong right now. Wikipedia Whether child pornography was to be found on The Pirate Bay or not, it was their official policy not to remove any content that has been labeled correctly, even if it is child porn. As they said in their contact page (added somewhere near 19.2.2007): we do not remove any content, what-so-ever, if it is not wrongly labeled. Seriously, NO content will be removed. Whatever it is. Do not even write to us about it.
Blazer wrote on Fri, 15 February 2008 16:21 anyone have an invite for scenetorrents? I could use one of those as well. Ryu wrote on Sat, 16 February 2008 14:15 nah, I have 16 invites to a much better private tracker. So hook a brother up.
luv2pb wrote on Sun, 17 February 2008 20:56 Ryu wrote on Sat, 16 February 2008 14:15 nah, I have 16 invites to a much better private tracker. So hook a brother up. You have nothing I need so I'm good.
The Songwriters Association of Canada is proposing a $5 tax on every internet connection in Canada, so a subscriber can download as many illegal songs as they wish. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080221/song_downloads_AM_0 80221/20080221?hub=TopStories I don't download music; instead, I buy it. But five bucks a month extra on my internet connection IS a hell of a bargain compared to the $160 I spent on CD's yesterday.
Same idiocy as with taxes on empty cd's: let's tax everyone, that even though only few actually do download music illegally.
Goztow wrote on Thu, 21 February 2008 12:46 Same idiocy as with taxes on empty cd's: let's tax everyone, that even though only few actually do download music illegally. One other option my country is considering is upping the taxes on mp3 players. Some estimates say a 60-80 GB iPod would have have a $75 dollar tax. Personally, I think the best way to do this, is to tax the heaviest users OF bandwidth. For example, anyone who downloads 120GB+ should get taxed at a higher level than someone like myself. One problem however... is that how much of that 120+ is going just to music, and how much is being used for videos, or programs? Still, $60 a year in taxes to cover music downloads is a friggin' bargain. Just yesterday, I spent $165 on 10 CD's. Although I'd likely still buy CD's, I'd happily download music just to see if it's worth the purchase or not.
The government should just stay out of it as a whole. Net Neutrality FTW. Record companies just need to offer FLAC versions of albums for download at a discounted price. Then, allow people to make as many backups as they want. I'd be more apt to purchase CDs for $8 online than spend $15 on one in a store.
I agree on the bandwidth thing. It would be bad for me because I surpass about 500GB+ Per month (im at 320GB atm), but it would better the internet infrastructure. The only reason ISPs are getting involved in the debate at all is because we (BT users) max out their 20 year old connections, so if it was by bandwidth, they would ATLEAST have to upgrade to all 100mbps switches, which is a start. When will they learn people dont pay $50/month for broadband to used the internet for text-based browing anymore..
Since Jan 28th, I've used less than 1GB... I think I just lost at the internet. Anyhow, I was watching the news, and there may actually be some Parliamentary (Canadian) support for a user pay system where levies on bandwidth are implemented. Estimates suggest it would bring in at least half a billion dollars annually, which would be distributed not only to the music industry, but also to other media industries. That's a decent chunk of change.
So no more downloading Linux distro's and game demo's? Even bandwith doesn't work unless you start scanning content, which is against any privacy law. Piracy has been encouraged by the music industry for long enough: asking 20 EUR for 13 songs was for long time the norm...
Its doesn't matter the content, because it was never suggested that the money go to anyone apart from the ISP Who they will end up having to pay is their own problem
Governments are funny. When will they learn that they work best if they just stick to the basics such as police, military, fire, and road construction? If the ISP wants to charge for bandwidth usage, fine. That's the ISPs priority. However, any government can kiss my ass if they think they should enforce taxation on bandwidth usage. They don't control the Internet.
Actually, your government has stated it does.
I think that we can all agree they're a bunch of arrogant assholes in doing so.
trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 16:06 Actually, your government has stated it does. You are somewhat retarded. They just said what is against the law to use. Like child porn.
You obviously know what your talking about!