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I've always wondered how can so many christians place so much faith in a mystical man that lived 2000 years ago? What if jesus was just the greatest magician ever? I wouldn't think it to be too hard to trick and confuse people back then. People mistaked ordinary things for godly occurences all the time.
He was hung on a cross for days until he died. He was later disposed of, and came back to life.
...And because of that, we get presents and candy.
Well, duh. What else should we be doing?
R315r4z0r wrote on Sun, 27 January 2008 23:09 Well, duh. What else should we be doing? I dunno. Crusading? I've got a pitchfork, and a monkey wrench in my garage.
Rocko wrote on Sun, 27 January 2008 21:37 I've always wondered how can so many christians place so much faith in a mystical man that lived 2000 years ago? What if jesus was just the greatest magician ever? I wouldn't think it to be too hard to trick and confuse people back then. People mistaked ordinary things for godly occurences all the time. LOL. Funniest thing ive read in a while, keep em comin
Rocko wrote on Sun, 27 January 2008 21:37 I wouldn't think it to be too hard to trick and confuse people back then. People mistaked ordinary things for godly occurences all the time. Back then? How do you know people mistaked "ordinary things" for "godly occurences"? The whole "Big Bang Theorey" is not an ordinary thing. Nor is the creation of life, on one planet, out of many.
cnc95fan wrote on Mon, 28 January 2008 10:27 How do you know people mistaked "ordinary things" for "godly occurences"? We know because recorded history tells us that the ancients had a "god" for pretty much everything. The sun god, moon god, sea god, thunder god, lightning god...I can go on for days. Pretty much everything "ordinary" were seen as "godly occurences." We as a human race, even now, are discovering new things around us. cnc95fan wrote on Mon, 28 January 2008 10:27 Nor is the creation of life, on one planet, out of many. We don't know for sure if this is the only planet with life.
I'm Jesus. Hi people! God gave me a message to pass to you guys. Quote: Message starts: To people, You all suck! God. Message ends: Good day.
You also believe that your father is your father without a DNA test, don't you? Same case.
I believe my father is my father because he told me he is my father. God never told me he is god.
Goztow wrote on Wed, 30 January 2008 06:07 You also believe that your father is your father without a DNA test, don't you? Same case. I am a Christian, though I must say that this is a bad anology if you're a Christian, too. If you meant it as a "He could very well not exist, because you have no conclusive evidence to prove it", then nevermind it being a bad anology. As for Jesus, it just seems too unlikely that he's a completely made up person. Whether he's the "son of God" and all that is up for debate I suppose, but I do beleive that a pretty much perfect person had once lived amongst us, and was persecuted for it. Even in todays society, perfection is unattainable through human form. Everyone knows this, even though some people wish to beleive that's not true, they still know it. Humanity has a habit of hating people better than them.
What I mean is that there's faith. In one case there's faith in your father, a human person; in the other case there's faith in God, not a human person.
SSADMVR wrote on Wed, 30 January 2008 07:50 I believe my father is my father because he told me he is my father. God never told me he is god. My father never told me that. Although it's possible he did when I was a baby in which case I don't remember it. Perhaps God did the same.
bisen11 wrote on Thu, 31 January 2008 00:18 SSADMVR wrote on Wed, 30 January 2008 07:50 I believe my father is my father because he told me he is my father. God never told me he is god. My father never told me that. Although it's possible he did when I was a baby in which case I don't remember it. Perhaps God did the same. I beg to differ. Humans have always wanted a purpose in and for their lives. If you think outside of it (like me) for instance, the outlook looks pretty bleak...you die and all that you lived for means nothing: all those clothes, houses, cars, jobs, passions, ambitions, and loved ones mean nothing but sh*t. Humans have over centuries always found a "purpose" for their lives to explain the emptiness they feel. This is why religion was and is present throught history. From the Harappans to the Egyptians to the Mesopotamians and so on...all had religion embedded within their cultures. I have talked to many religious people who say that that ability of humans to think of a "greater being" was "wired" into us by "God." This is a mistaken assumption that ignores history, science, and culture. Just as Jesus and Mohammad are the "big guys" today, there was a time when Horus, Zeus, Athena and all the gods upon gods ever invented were a dominant part of their respective societies. My laughs are saved for those who claim to know which god is "real" because recored history gives a much clear and more honest picture. People must understand that the human mind is weak...it is perhaps a flaw that comes with a highly evolved ability to reason. People seriously should think critically about the issue and look for other sources of reliable information IF they are ever in doubt. Which is why I unconditionally agreed with Muad's statements below. It makes perfect sense, fully logical and compliments recorded human history which everyone is very happy to ignore. Muad Dib15 wrote on Thu, 24 January 2008 12:49 Who cares if man is flawed and needs false hope. Me, i couldn't live without religion because, then I would feel that my life is worthless and there really is no point to living. Because I really don't think that humans should live just to die 80 years later. What is the point? That is why I belive that there is something up there after we die, just waiting for us. Scientists say that what makes us different from other beings is that we can reason. That may be so, but what if the real reason we are different from animals is that we have a code set down by us that says that we must do this, this, and this, and not this to go someplace better. I don't know about you, but I'd like to think that there is someplace better than this sin ridden world. And that is why I believe in Christ. Even if it is a false hope, I'd rather think and hope that, than to know that there really is no point to me and my existance being here.
Rocko wrote on Sun, 27 January 2008 21:37 I've always wondered how can so many christians place so much faith in a mystical man that lived 2000 years ago? What if jesus was just the greatest magician ever? I wouldn't think it to be too hard to trick and confuse people back then. People mistaked ordinary things for godly occurences all the time. simply they believe it due to faith... Personally I wish my mind wasn't so science driven so I could believe in the after life and all that. You may criticise their beliefs but it helps them live their lifes...
NuneGa wrote on Thu, 31 January 2008 15:46 Rocko wrote on Sun, 27 January 2008 21:37 I've always wondered how can so many christians place so much faith in a mystical man that lived 2000 years ago? What if jesus was just the greatest magician ever? I wouldn't think it to be too hard to trick and confuse people back then. People mistaked ordinary things for godly occurences all the time. simply they believe it due to faith... Personally I wish my mind wasn't so science driven so I could believe in the after life and all that. You may criticise their beliefs but it helps them live their lifes... I could not agree more with you on that, my friend. I feel the same exact way. I wish many times that I had not read that many books and I sometimes wish I could be a religious person. Religion creates a supernatural entity that we as humans can put our trust in so we can go on in our life while being one step-ahead of the uncertainties we may face. I can relate to this and give literally hundreds of examples. When I was a Christian and I got on an airplane, a small prayer to my (former) Savior Jesus Christ would alleviate any fears. It took the weight off my chest and gave me strength. I could actually relax! I am sure most religious people say a prayer when getting on an airplane. But the same experience as an Atheist was not so pleasant. When I got on an airplane in 2005, I felt...there is no words to really describe what or how I felt. I felt empty, on-my-own, and was not so confident. I just thought maybe we got a good pilot and the mechanics took care of the airplane. See what I mean? The difference? The incident does not prove "God" exists or not in anyway but it does highlight the weakness of the human mind and the necessity of religion as a means of survival. Eitherway, since my head is so full of Science, there is pretty much no chance of me going back to religion since it is physically/emotionally impossible due to too much knowledge. It feels weird now when I try to say a prayer.
I see religion as nothing more than: A. A tool used over the ages to control people. B. A safety net to make humans feel good about themselves. I wish I could believe in an eternal nirvana....*Sigh*.
MWright967 wrote on Thu, 31 January 2008 17:59 I see religion as nothing more than: A. A tool used over the ages to control people. B. A safety net to make humans feel good about themselves. I wish I could believe in an eternal nirvana....*Sigh*. Why don't you? Why can't you believe that there is something greater than all of us out there? Go to church once and you'd be suprised at how the day you go, they talk about something that is happening in your life right then. It's amazing.
Sn1per74* wrote on Thu, 31 January 2008 18:48 MWright967 wrote on Thu, 31 January 2008 17:59 I see religion as nothing more than: A. A tool used over the ages to control people. B. A safety net to make humans feel good about themselves. I wish I could believe in an eternal nirvana....*Sigh*. Why don't you? Why can't you believe that there is something greater than all of us out there? Go to church once and you'd be suprised at how the day you go, they talk about something that is happening in your life right then. It's amazing. If you think about it, god creates all of us. God puts us through pain and suffering. Then god destroys us in a fiery maelstrom. I would never believe in or worship such a so called ''loving'' entity. Another little fact I find interesting...It says in the bible that God creates man in his image, and essentially, programms each human uniquely to serve a purpose in his grand scheme. Which means when a robber kills an old lady for her purse, god made it so, to aid in his grand plan. Then that robber goes to hell fires. He predestines humans to be damned for eternity to blazing painful flames? So loving is he.
MWright touches on some of the many flaws and mistakes that are in the Bible.
Starbuzz wrote on Thu, 31 January 2008 23:57 MWright touches on some of the many flaws and mistakes that are in the Bible. Lets not forget my favorite: How it says in the story of Kane and Abel, that God places a mark on Kane, and WHOEVER curses him shall be cursed themselves for all eternity. Interesting, considering there are only supposed to be 3 humans alive.
No, its who ever kills him shall be cursed for all eternity. All it says after that, is that God sends Kane to the land of nod where he built up brother hood, maybe that is why Kane has never died.
Yeah, I do like that image, it speaks the truth, though I'm Agnostic now.
IronWarrior wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 12:48 Yeah, I do like that image, it speaks the truth, though I'm Agnostic now. Me too...I think Agnostic is a better term to describe myself.
MWright967 wrote on Thu, 31 January 2008 22:41 Sn1per74* wrote on Thu, 31 January 2008 18:48 MWright967 wrote on Thu, 31 January 2008 17:59 I see religion as nothing more than: A. A tool used over the ages to control people. B. A safety net to make humans feel good about themselves. I wish I could believe in an eternal nirvana....*Sigh*. Why don't you? Why can't you believe that there is something greater than all of us out there? Go to church once and you'd be suprised at how the day you go, they talk about something that is happening in your life right then. It's amazing. If you think about it, god creates all of us. God puts us through pain and suffering. Then god destroys us in a fiery maelstrom. I would never believe in or worship such a so called ''loving'' entity. Another little fact I find interesting...It says in the bible that God creates man in his image, and essentially, programms each human uniquely to serve a purpose in his grand scheme. Which means when a robber kills an old lady for her purse, god made it so, to aid in his grand plan. Then that robber goes to hell fires. He predestines humans to be damned for eternity to blazing painful flames? So loving is he. Think free will. He said that we can do what ever we want. Thats what people don't seem to understand. If we choose to kill someone, He can't do anything about it until we die.
Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 15:16 MWright967 wrote on Thu, 31 January 2008 22:41 Sn1per74* wrote on Thu, 31 January 2008 18:48 MWright967 wrote on Thu, 31 January 2008 17:59 I see religion as nothing more than: A. A tool used over the ages to control people. B. A safety net to make humans feel good about themselves. I wish I could believe in an eternal nirvana....*Sigh*. Why don't you? Why can't you believe that there is something greater than all of us out there? Go to church once and you'd be suprised at how the day you go, they talk about something that is happening in your life right then. It's amazing. If you think about it, god creates all of us. God puts us through pain and suffering. Then god destroys us in a fiery maelstrom. I would never believe in or worship such a so called ''loving'' entity. Another little fact I find interesting...It says in the bible that God creates man in his image, and essentially, programms each human uniquely to serve a purpose in his grand scheme. Which means when a robber kills an old lady for her purse, god made it so, to aid in his grand plan. Then that robber goes to hell fires. He predestines humans to be damned for eternity to blazing painful flames? So loving is he. Think free will. He said that we can do what ever we want. Thats what people don't seem to understand. If we choose to kill someone, He can't do anything about it until we die. Humans don't have free will. They were created in God's visage, and God knows and sees all. Therefore he sees the robber kill the lady before it ever happens, but does nothing to prevent it because its part of his grand plan. Not exactly my kind of god.
He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot.
Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting.
MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. THAT IS NOT TRUE. Don't talk of what you don't know about. He gave us free will to do what WE want. If we choose to follow him, we have everlasting life waiting for us. If we choose not to, we go to hell. Simple as that. How is that being a mean God? All he wants is one thing: To believe in him. How is that a mean god. eh?
Sn1per74* wrote on Sat, 02 February 2008 00:00 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. THAT IS NOT TRUE. Don't talk of what you don't know about. He gave us free will to do what WE want. If we choose to follow him, we have everlasting life waiting for us. If we choose not to, we go to hell. Simple as that. How is that being a mean God? All he wants is one thing: To believe in him. How is that a mean god. eh? Take it from someone whose actually read the better portion of the bible. He creates man in his image. He said it himself. Which means that God created cruel creatures, and is thus himself cruel. One of the many flaws of the bible. He gave us free will, according to you. Which means we can do as we wish. Okay. He still KNOWS ITS GOING TO HAPPEN AND LETS IT HAPPEN. Guess what? If you know that someone is going to be murdered, but you don't do anything about it, you're held accountable. Why? Because the law dictates it so. God knows these things are going to happen, and thus he himself is accountable. He is the law and he dictates it that way. You COMPLETELY skip over the entire example of the apocalypse. I find it funny how it says in the bible ''This will happen, and this will happen, and that will happen...''. Someone has to cause these things to happen. If Bush were to cause the apocalypse, its BUSH. A HUMAN. DOING IT. Already foretold and prophescized by God. Which means he purposely created Bush, or altered Bush in some way, to fulfill the prophecy. Please attempt to take the cork out of your ears and understand that according to the bible, God really isn't giving humans free will. And if he is, in some twisted way? Hes a pretty sick fuck for letting so much bad crap happen.
Starbuzz wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 12:52 IronWarrior wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 12:48 Yeah, I do like that image, it speaks the truth, though I'm Agnostic now. Me too...I think Agnostic is a better term to describe myself. I'm glad there is a other one who believes like I do, shame the world can't join in, it would be alot more peaceful.
MWright967 wrote on Sat, 02 February 2008 00:43 Sn1per74* wrote on Sat, 02 February 2008 00:00 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. THAT IS NOT TRUE. Don't talk of what you don't know about. He gave us free will to do what WE want. If we choose to follow him, we have everlasting life waiting for us. If we choose not to, we go to hell. Simple as that. How is that being a mean God? All he wants is one thing: To believe in him. How is that a mean god. eh? Take it from someone whose actually read the better portion of the bible. He creates man in his image. He said it himself. Which means that God created cruel creatures, and is thus himself cruel. One of the many flaws of the bible. He gave us free will, according to you. Which means we can do as we wish. Okay. He still KNOWS ITS GOING TO HAPPEN AND LETS IT HAPPEN. Guess what? If you know that someone is going to be murdered, but you don't do anything about it, you're held accountable. Why? Because the law dictates it so. God knows these things are going to happen, and thus he himself is accountable. He is the law and he dictates it that way. You COMPLETELY skip over the entire example of the apocalypse. I find it funny how it says in the bible ''This will happen, and this will happen, and that will happen...''. Someone has to cause these things to happen. If Bush were to cause the apocalypse, its BUSH. A HUMAN. DOING IT. Already foretold and prophescized by God. Which means he purposely created Bush, or altered Bush in some way, to fulfill the prophecy. Please attempt to take the cork out of your ears and understand that according to the bible, God really isn't giving humans free will. And if he is, in some twisted way? Hes a pretty sick fuck for letting so much bad crap happen. The apocalypse will be when Jesus comes back to earth and judges who will go to heaven or not. So they apocalypse isn't a bad thing if you think about it...
Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 00:19 MWright967 wrote on Sat, 02 February 2008 00:43 Sn1per74* wrote on Sat, 02 February 2008 00:00 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. THAT IS NOT TRUE. Don't talk of what you don't know about. He gave us free will to do what WE want. If we choose to follow him, we have everlasting life waiting for us. If we choose not to, we go to hell. Simple as that. How is that being a mean God? All he wants is one thing: To believe in him. How is that a mean god. eh? Take it from someone whose actually read the better portion of the bible. He creates man in his image. He said it himself. Which means that God created cruel creatures, and is thus himself cruel. One of the many flaws of the bible. He gave us free will, according to you. Which means we can do as we wish. Okay. He still KNOWS ITS GOING TO HAPPEN AND LETS IT HAPPEN. Guess what? If you know that someone is going to be murdered, but you don't do anything about it, you're held accountable. Why? Because the law dictates it so. God knows these things are going to happen, and thus he himself is accountable. He is the law and he dictates it that way. You COMPLETELY skip over the entire example of the apocalypse. I find it funny how it says in the bible ''This will happen, and this will happen, and that will happen...''. Someone has to cause these things to happen. If Bush were to cause the apocalypse, its BUSH. A HUMAN. DOING IT. Already foretold and prophescized by God. Which means he purposely created Bush, or altered Bush in some way, to fulfill the prophecy. Please attempt to take the cork out of your ears and understand that according to the bible, God really isn't giving humans free will. And if he is, in some twisted way? Hes a pretty sick fuck for letting so much bad crap happen. The apocalypse will be when Jesus comes back to earth and judges who will go to heaven or not. So they apocalypse isn't a bad thing if you think about it... I lol'ed.
MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 00:56 Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 00:19 MWright967 wrote on Sat, 02 February 2008 00:43 Sn1per74* wrote on Sat, 02 February 2008 00:00 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. THAT IS NOT TRUE. Don't talk of what you don't know about. He gave us free will to do what WE want. If we choose to follow him, we have everlasting life waiting for us. If we choose not to, we go to hell. Simple as that. How is that being a mean God? All he wants is one thing: To believe in him. How is that a mean god. eh? Take it from someone whose actually read the better portion of the bible. He creates man in his image. He said it himself. Which means that God created cruel creatures, and is thus himself cruel. One of the many flaws of the bible. He gave us free will, according to you. Which means we can do as we wish. Okay. He still KNOWS ITS GOING TO HAPPEN AND LETS IT HAPPEN. Guess what? If you know that someone is going to be murdered, but you don't do anything about it, you're held accountable. Why? Because the law dictates it so. God knows these things are going to happen, and thus he himself is accountable. He is the law and he dictates it that way. You COMPLETELY skip over the entire example of the apocalypse. I find it funny how it says in the bible ''This will happen, and this will happen, and that will happen...''. Someone has to cause these things to happen. If Bush were to cause the apocalypse, its BUSH. A HUMAN. DOING IT. Already foretold and prophescized by God. Which means he purposely created Bush, or altered Bush in some way, to fulfill the prophecy. Please attempt to take the cork out of your ears and understand that according to the bible, God really isn't giving humans free will. And if he is, in some twisted way? Hes a pretty sick fuck for letting so much bad crap happen. The apocalypse will be when Jesus comes back to earth and judges who will go to heaven or not. So they apocalypse isn't a bad thing if you think about it... I lol'ed. Is it necessary to laugh at what I believe?
Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 08:04 MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 00:56 Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 00:19 MWright967 wrote on Sat, 02 February 2008 00:43 Sn1per74* wrote on Sat, 02 February 2008 00:00 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. THAT IS NOT TRUE. Don't talk of what you don't know about. He gave us free will to do what WE want. If we choose to follow him, we have everlasting life waiting for us. If we choose not to, we go to hell. Simple as that. How is that being a mean God? All he wants is one thing: To believe in him. How is that a mean god. eh? Take it from someone whose actually read the better portion of the bible. He creates man in his image. He said it himself. Which means that God created cruel creatures, and is thus himself cruel. One of the many flaws of the bible. He gave us free will, according to you. Which means we can do as we wish. Okay. He still KNOWS ITS GOING TO HAPPEN AND LETS IT HAPPEN. Guess what? If you know that someone is going to be murdered, but you don't do anything about it, you're held accountable. Why? Because the law dictates it so. God knows these things are going to happen, and thus he himself is accountable. He is the law and he dictates it that way. You COMPLETELY skip over the entire example of the apocalypse. I find it funny how it says in the bible ''This will happen, and this will happen, and that will happen...''. Someone has to cause these things to happen. If Bush were to cause the apocalypse, its BUSH. A HUMAN. DOING IT. Already foretold and prophescized by God. Which means he purposely created Bush, or altered Bush in some way, to fulfill the prophecy. Please attempt to take the cork out of your ears and understand that according to the bible, God really isn't giving humans free will. And if he is, in some twisted way? Hes a pretty sick fuck for letting so much bad crap happen. The apocalypse will be when Jesus comes back to earth and judges who will go to heaven or not. So they apocalypse isn't a bad thing if you think about it... I lol'ed. Is it necessary to laugh at what I believe? In this case. Yes.
Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 08:04 MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 00:56 Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 00:19 MWright967 wrote on Sat, 02 February 2008 00:43 Sn1per74* wrote on Sat, 02 February 2008 00:00 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. THAT IS NOT TRUE. Don't talk of what you don't know about. He gave us free will to do what WE want. If we choose to follow him, we have everlasting life waiting for us. If we choose not to, we go to hell. Simple as that. How is that being a mean God? All he wants is one thing: To believe in him. How is that a mean god. eh? Take it from someone whose actually read the better portion of the bible. He creates man in his image. He said it himself. Which means that God created cruel creatures, and is thus himself cruel. One of the many flaws of the bible. He gave us free will, according to you. Which means we can do as we wish. Okay. He still KNOWS ITS GOING TO HAPPEN AND LETS IT HAPPEN. Guess what? If you know that someone is going to be murdered, but you don't do anything about it, you're held accountable. Why? Because the law dictates it so. God knows these things are going to happen, and thus he himself is accountable. He is the law and he dictates it that way. You COMPLETELY skip over the entire example of the apocalypse. I find it funny how it says in the bible ''This will happen, and this will happen, and that will happen...''. Someone has to cause these things to happen. If Bush were to cause the apocalypse, its BUSH. A HUMAN. DOING IT. Already foretold and prophescized by God. Which means he purposely created Bush, or altered Bush in some way, to fulfill the prophecy. Please attempt to take the cork out of your ears and understand that according to the bible, God really isn't giving humans free will. And if he is, in some twisted way? Hes a pretty sick fuck for letting so much bad crap happen. The apocalypse will be when Jesus comes back to earth and judges who will go to heaven or not. So they apocalypse isn't a bad thing if you think about it... I lol'ed. Is it necessary to laugh at what I believe? Not to be a dick or anything... ...But what you believe is pretty silly.
Dover wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 11:48 Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 08:04 MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 00:56 Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 00:19 MWright967 wrote on Sat, 02 February 2008 00:43 Sn1per74* wrote on Sat, 02 February 2008 00:00 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. THAT IS NOT TRUE. Don't talk of what you don't know about. He gave us free will to do what WE want. If we choose to follow him, we have everlasting life waiting for us. If we choose not to, we go to hell. Simple as that. How is that being a mean God? All he wants is one thing: To believe in him. How is that a mean god. eh? Take it from someone whose actually read the better portion of the bible. He creates man in his image. He said it himself. Which means that God created cruel creatures, and is thus himself cruel. One of the many flaws of the bible. He gave us free will, according to you. Which means we can do as we wish. Okay. He still KNOWS ITS GOING TO HAPPEN AND LETS IT HAPPEN. Guess what? If you know that someone is going to be murdered, but you don't do anything about it, you're held accountable. Why? Because the law dictates it so. God knows these things are going to happen, and thus he himself is accountable. He is the law and he dictates it that way. You COMPLETELY skip over the entire example of the apocalypse. I find it funny how it says in the bible ''This will happen, and this will happen, and that will happen...''. Someone has to cause these things to happen. If Bush were to cause the apocalypse, its BUSH. A HUMAN. DOING IT. Already foretold and prophescized by God. Which means he purposely created Bush, or altered Bush in some way, to fulfill the prophecy. Please attempt to take the cork out of your ears and understand that according to the bible, God really isn't giving humans free will. And if he is, in some twisted way? Hes a pretty sick fuck for letting so much bad crap happen. The apocalypse will be when Jesus comes back to earth and judges who will go to heaven or not. So they apocalypse isn't a bad thing if you think about it... I lol'ed. Is it necessary to laugh at what I believe? Not to be a dick or anything... ...But what you believe is pretty silly. Lets not forget, what he believes isn't even whats recorded in the bible. Are you perhaps, a mormon?
MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 09:50 Dover wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 11:48 Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 08:04 MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 00:56 Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 00:19 MWright967 wrote on Sat, 02 February 2008 00:43 Sn1per74* wrote on Sat, 02 February 2008 00:00 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. THAT IS NOT TRUE. Don't talk of what you don't know about. He gave us free will to do what WE want. If we choose to follow him, we have everlasting life waiting for us. If we choose not to, we go to hell. Simple as that. How is that being a mean God? All he wants is one thing: To believe in him. How is that a mean god. eh? Take it from someone whose actually read the better portion of the bible. He creates man in his image. He said it himself. Which means that God created cruel creatures, and is thus himself cruel. One of the many flaws of the bible. He gave us free will, according to you. Which means we can do as we wish. Okay. He still KNOWS ITS GOING TO HAPPEN AND LETS IT HAPPEN. Guess what? If you know that someone is going to be murdered, but you don't do anything about it, you're held accountable. Why? Because the law dictates it so. God knows these things are going to happen, and thus he himself is accountable. He is the law and he dictates it that way. You COMPLETELY skip over the entire example of the apocalypse. I find it funny how it says in the bible ''This will happen, and this will happen, and that will happen...''. Someone has to cause these things to happen. If Bush were to cause the apocalypse, its BUSH. A HUMAN. DOING IT. Already foretold and prophescized by God. Which means he purposely created Bush, or altered Bush in some way, to fulfill the prophecy. Please attempt to take the cork out of your ears and understand that according to the bible, God really isn't giving humans free will. And if he is, in some twisted way? Hes a pretty sick fuck for letting so much bad crap happen. The apocalypse will be when Jesus comes back to earth and judges who will go to heaven or not. So they apocalypse isn't a bad thing if you think about it... I lol'ed. Is it necessary to laugh at what I believe? Not to be a dick or anything... ...But what you believe is pretty silly. Lets not forget, what he believes isn't even whats recorded in the bible. Are you perhaps, a mormon? A mormon? Me? Lol.
Dover wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 11:51 MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 09:50 Dover wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 11:48 Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 08:04 MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 00:56 Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 00:19 MWright967 wrote on Sat, 02 February 2008 00:43 Sn1per74* wrote on Sat, 02 February 2008 00:00 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. THAT IS NOT TRUE. Don't talk of what you don't know about. He gave us free will to do what WE want. If we choose to follow him, we have everlasting life waiting for us. If we choose not to, we go to hell. Simple as that. How is that being a mean God? All he wants is one thing: To believe in him. How is that a mean god. eh? Take it from someone whose actually read the better portion of the bible. He creates man in his image. He said it himself. Which means that God created cruel creatures, and is thus himself cruel. One of the many flaws of the bible. He gave us free will, according to you. Which means we can do as we wish. Okay. He still KNOWS ITS GOING TO HAPPEN AND LETS IT HAPPEN. Guess what? If you know that someone is going to be murdered, but you don't do anything about it, you're held accountable. Why? Because the law dictates it so. God knows these things are going to happen, and thus he himself is accountable. He is the law and he dictates it that way. You COMPLETELY skip over the entire example of the apocalypse. I find it funny how it says in the bible ''This will happen, and this will happen, and that will happen...''. Someone has to cause these things to happen. If Bush were to cause the apocalypse, its BUSH. A HUMAN. DOING IT. Already foretold and prophescized by God. Which means he purposely created Bush, or altered Bush in some way, to fulfill the prophecy. Please attempt to take the cork out of your ears and understand that according to the bible, God really isn't giving humans free will. And if he is, in some twisted way? Hes a pretty sick fuck for letting so much bad crap happen. The apocalypse will be when Jesus comes back to earth and judges who will go to heaven or not. So they apocalypse isn't a bad thing if you think about it... I lol'ed. Is it necessary to laugh at what I believe? Not to be a dick or anything... ...But what you believe is pretty silly. Lets not forget, what he believes isn't even whats recorded in the bible. Are you perhaps, a mormon? A mormon? Me? Lol. Sorry, I was aiming that towards Muad ;/
MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. No, I'm not a mormon, I'm a Catholic. You are twisting the bible's words into pretzels. God CREATED man in his image. He isn't the robber and he isn't the old lady. He gave us FREE WILL TO DO WHAT EVER THE FUCK WE WANT because we were fucking CREATED. WTF are you saying, "he predestines history." Maybe he does. But he gave us free will to do WHATEVER THE FUCK WE WANT TO. It isn't our job to know what goes on in the creator's mind. If you feel that you need to laugh at what me and Sniper believe, then just GTFO THIS THREAD. This also goes for twisting the bible into saying what you want it to say.
Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 14:08 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. No, I'm not a mormon, I'm a Catholic. You are twisting the bible's words into pretzels. God CREATED man in his image. He isn't the robber and he isn't the old lady. He gave us FREE WILL TO DO WHAT EVER THE FUCK WE WANT because we were fucking CREATED. WTF are you saying, "he predestines history." Maybe he does. But he gave us free will to do WHATEVER THE FUCK WE WANT TO. It isn't our job to know what goes on in the creator's mind. If you feel that you need to laugh at what me and Sniper believe, then just GTFO THIS THREAD. This also goes for twisting the bible into saying what you want it to say. I lol'ed at your lack of biblical knowledge.
MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 18:10 Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 14:08 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. No, I'm not a mormon, I'm a Catholic. You are twisting the bible's words into pretzels. God CREATED man in his image. He isn't the robber and he isn't the old lady. He gave us FREE WILL TO DO WHAT EVER THE FUCK WE WANT because we were fucking CREATED. WTF are you saying, "he predestines history." Maybe he does. But he gave us free will to do WHATEVER THE FUCK WE WANT TO. It isn't our job to know what goes on in the creator's mind. If you feel that you need to laugh at what me and Sniper believe, then just GTFO THIS THREAD. This also goes for twisting the bible into saying what you want it to say. I lol'ed at your lack of biblical knowledge. SHUTUP! What we are saying comes from priests, which have studied the bible their ENTIRE LIVES! AND based on YOUR lack of biblical knowledge, YOU don't know that the bible has more to it than the literal meaning in the text.
Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:22 MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 18:10 Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 14:08 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. No, I'm not a mormon, I'm a Catholic. You are twisting the bible's words into pretzels. God CREATED man in his image. He isn't the robber and he isn't the old lady. He gave us FREE WILL TO DO WHAT EVER THE FUCK WE WANT because we were fucking CREATED. WTF are you saying, "he predestines history." Maybe he does. But he gave us free will to do WHATEVER THE FUCK WE WANT TO. It isn't our job to know what goes on in the creator's mind. If you feel that you need to laugh at what me and Sniper believe, then just GTFO THIS THREAD. This also goes for twisting the bible into saying what you want it to say. I lol'ed at your lack of biblical knowledge. SHUTUP! What we are saying comes from priests, which have studied the bible their ENTIRE LIVES! AND based on YOUR lack of biblical knowledge, YOU don't know that the bible has more to it than the literal meaning in the text. Ah so instead of actually studying the bible yourself, you take the word of some ass-plundering catholic priests? I lol'ed.
MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:27 Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:22 MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 18:10 Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 14:08 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. No, I'm not a mormon, I'm a Catholic. You are twisting the bible's words into pretzels. God CREATED man in his image. He isn't the robber and he isn't the old lady. He gave us FREE WILL TO DO WHAT EVER THE FUCK WE WANT because we were fucking CREATED. WTF are you saying, "he predestines history." Maybe he does. But he gave us free will to do WHATEVER THE FUCK WE WANT TO. It isn't our job to know what goes on in the creator's mind. If you feel that you need to laugh at what me and Sniper believe, then just GTFO THIS THREAD. This also goes for twisting the bible into saying what you want it to say. I lol'ed at your lack of biblical knowledge. SHUTUP! What we are saying comes from priests, which have studied the bible their ENTIRE LIVES! AND based on YOUR lack of biblical knowledge, YOU don't know that the bible has more to it than the literal meaning in the text. Ah so instead of actually studying the bible yourself, you take the word of some ass-plundering catholic priests? I lol'ed. So you expect all Christians and Catholics to over-obsess and memorize the whole bible?
Originally Blue wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:29 MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:27 Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:22 MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 18:10 Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 14:08 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. No, I'm not a mormon, I'm a Catholic. You are twisting the bible's words into pretzels. God CREATED man in his image. He isn't the robber and he isn't the old lady. He gave us FREE WILL TO DO WHAT EVER THE FUCK WE WANT because we were fucking CREATED. WTF are you saying, "he predestines history." Maybe he does. But he gave us free will to do WHATEVER THE FUCK WE WANT TO. It isn't our job to know what goes on in the creator's mind. If you feel that you need to laugh at what me and Sniper believe, then just GTFO THIS THREAD. This also goes for twisting the bible into saying what you want it to say. I lol'ed at your lack of biblical knowledge. SHUTUP! What we are saying comes from priests, which have studied the bible their ENTIRE LIVES! AND based on YOUR lack of biblical knowledge, YOU don't know that the bible has more to it than the literal meaning in the text. Ah so instead of actually studying the bible yourself, you take the word of some ass-plundering catholic priests? I lol'ed. So you expect all Christians and Catholics to over-obsess and memorize the whole bible? No. But I expect them to actually know what the hell they're talking about before attempting to shoot down arguments against them. I for one have read the better portion of the bible, and have analyzed it. I took quite a few courses on biblical study in college. I know what I'm talking about.
MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 21:21 Originally Blue wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:29 MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:27 Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:22 MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 18:10 Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 14:08 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. No, I'm not a mormon, I'm a Catholic. You are twisting the bible's words into pretzels. God CREATED man in his image. He isn't the robber and he isn't the old lady. He gave us FREE WILL TO DO WHAT EVER THE FUCK WE WANT because we were fucking CREATED. WTF are you saying, "he predestines history." Maybe he does. But he gave us free will to do WHATEVER THE FUCK WE WANT TO. It isn't our job to know what goes on in the creator's mind. If you feel that you need to laugh at what me and Sniper believe, then just GTFO THIS THREAD. This also goes for twisting the bible into saying what you want it to say. I lol'ed at your lack of biblical knowledge. SHUTUP! What we are saying comes from priests, which have studied the bible their ENTIRE LIVES! AND based on YOUR lack of biblical knowledge, YOU don't know that the bible has more to it than the literal meaning in the text. Ah so instead of actually studying the bible yourself, you take the word of some ass-plundering catholic priests? I lol'ed. So you expect all Christians and Catholics to over-obsess and memorize the whole bible? No. But I expect them to actually know what the hell they're talking about before attempting to shoot down arguments against them. I for one have read the better portion of the bible, and have analyzed it. I took quite a few courses on biblical study in college. I know what I'm talking about. You absolutely piss me off. First off you can't admit somebody else is right. Can't you just admit I'm ATLEAST half right? Second off, you're calling other people's beliefs stupid- I don't mind you arguing them, but making fun of them? C'mon.
Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 21:42 MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 21:21 Originally Blue wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:29 MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:27 Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:22 MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 18:10 Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 14:08 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. No, I'm not a mormon, I'm a Catholic. You are twisting the bible's words into pretzels. God CREATED man in his image. He isn't the robber and he isn't the old lady. He gave us FREE WILL TO DO WHAT EVER THE FUCK WE WANT because we were fucking CREATED. WTF are you saying, "he predestines history." Maybe he does. But he gave us free will to do WHATEVER THE FUCK WE WANT TO. It isn't our job to know what goes on in the creator's mind. If you feel that you need to laugh at what me and Sniper believe, then just GTFO THIS THREAD. This also goes for twisting the bible into saying what you want it to say. I lol'ed at your lack of biblical knowledge. SHUTUP! What we are saying comes from priests, which have studied the bible their ENTIRE LIVES! AND based on YOUR lack of biblical knowledge, YOU don't know that the bible has more to it than the literal meaning in the text. Ah so instead of actually studying the bible yourself, you take the word of some ass-plundering catholic priests? I lol'ed. So you expect all Christians and Catholics to over-obsess and memorize the whole bible? No. But I expect them to actually know what the hell they're talking about before attempting to shoot down arguments against them. I for one have read the better portion of the bible, and have analyzed it. I took quite a few courses on biblical study in college. I know what I'm talking about. You absolutely piss me off. First off you can't admit somebody else is right. Can't you just admit I'm ATLEAST half right? Second off, you're calling other people's beliefs stupid- I don't mind you arguing them, but making fun of them? C'mon. LOL? Wait a sec. I'm sorry. The apocalypse is Jesus coming down to bring us all to paradise? THAT is what you want me to admit you're right about? Sorry. Once they release you from the cultural looney-bin we can talk.
ok i dont know where this convo has gone to, but to answer the original question... Its not hard to believe in Jesus Christ even though he lived 2000 years ago. The gospels were written around 40-100 A.D, before the destruction of the temple. We know this, the original manuscripts match up with the ones we have today. Also we know that Jesus didn't perform things that people mistook as miracles of God because even the pharisees said he "did things by devils". also extra biblical writing proves that there were many that acnowledged what he had done but just not by God. Josephus wrote about him, Tacitus wrote about him. theres 10,000 manuscripts plus biblical manuscripts that talk about him and match up perfectly with each other. He fulfilled prophecy from the Old testament and thats why we can trust he is the Christ. so no only does history back him up but also secular history too. its not that hard to believe especially since we trust the writings of homer in the odessy even though that was written hundreds of years after! Everything we know about alexander the great was written 500 years after his death! If anything what the bible has to say about Jesus is the most historically accurate we have from anywhere close to that time period. thats why its not hard to believe in him
fredcow9 wrote on Mon, 04 February 2008 02:02 ok i dont know where this convo has gone to, but to answer the original question... Its not hard to believe in Jesus Christ even though he lived 2000 years ago. The gospels were written around 40-100 A.D, before the destruction of the temple. We know this, the original manuscripts match up with the ones we have today. Also we know that Jesus didn't perform things that people mistook as miracles of God because even the pharisees said he "did things by devils". also extra biblical writing proves that there were many that acnowledged what he had done but just not by God. Josephus wrote about him, Tacitus wrote about him. theres 10,000 manuscripts plus biblical manuscripts that talk about him and match up perfectly with each other. He fulfilled prophecy from the Old testament and thats why we can trust he is the Christ. so no only does history back him up but also secular history too. its not that hard to believe especially since we trust the writings of homer in the odessy even though that was written hundreds of years after! Everything we know about alexander the great was written 500 years after his death! If anything what the bible has to say about Jesus is the most historically accurate we have from anywhere close to that time period. thats why its not hard to believe in him I'm not debating that Jesus was or wasn't real. I'm debating Maud's interpretation of the bible which is in no way correct.
MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 23:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. But if the old lady was a good and faithful woman to god then she would be sent to heaven where she would experience eternal bliss. Therefor it would be better to die and go to heaven rather than to stay on earth.
then what is the point of living? why not skip life on earth and go straight to heaven..
Rocko wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 20:38 then what is the point of living? why not skip life on earth and go straight to heaven.. Because there is a lack of chairs. And Earth is basically a test to see if you are worthy of a chair.
bisen11 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 19:21 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 23:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. But if the old lady was a good and faithful woman to god then she would be sent to heaven where she would experience eternal bliss. Therefor it would be better to die and go to heaven rather than to stay on earth. IF the old lady was good. She could be...''So-so'', and could go to limbo, purgatory, etc. And hell, the way the scriptures read, you can condemn yourself to an eternity of misery for doing a few mild things wrong. The old lady isn't necessarily good. It even says in the bible that ''Walking through the gates of heaven is a task for those who are pure of heart''. Not many people are ''pure of heart''. Also, heaven is described as a wondrous and happy place, but it never says you will be completely happy. You won't see your children, your friends, family, anything, until many years pass and they as well, and even then, they may not go to heaven. See how this starts to riccochet? How can I have everlasting happiness without the ones who care for me and that I spend my life with? Oh, wait, I'll use the argument of every priest and pastor in the world, ''With god, all things are possible''. Lol.
MWright967 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 19:42 bisen11 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 19:21 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 23:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. But if the old lady was a good and faithful woman to god then she would be sent to heaven where she would experience eternal bliss. Therefor it would be better to die and go to heaven rather than to stay on earth. IF the old lady was good. She could be...''So-so'', and could go to limbo, purgatory, etc. And hell, the way the scriptures read, you can condemn yourself to an eternity of misery for doing a few mild things wrong. The old lady isn't necessarily good. It even says in the bible that ''Walking through the gates of heaven is a task for those who are pure of heart''. Not many people are ''pure of heart''. Also, heaven is described as a wondrous and happy place, but it never says you will be completely happy. You won't see your children, your friends, family, anything, until many years pass and they as well, and even then, they may not go to heaven. See how this starts to riccochet? How can I have everlasting happiness without the ones who care for me and that I spend my life with? Oh, wait, I'll use the argument of every priest and pastor in the world, ''With god, all things are possible''. Lol. How do you know your friends and family won't go to heaven? It's something you can look forward to. And how can you say you won't be happy up in heaven when you've never been to heaven? If you don't believe in God, then you may not think heaven is a great place. But if you do, then you know that what he's got up there for you is the most amazing thing, something you can't even dream of, nor think of. To tell you the truth, I don't think God will send THAT many people to hell. I think all you have to do is live a good life, because some people believe what their parent taught them and by what the people around them believe in. All in all, I DON'T CARE WHAT you think about what I believe. I BELIEVE it's right- you don't have to. You know what else you don't HAVE to do? Make fun of what I think. I'm not making fun of you for not believing in God or what's written in the bible. So c'mon dude, just stop.
Sn1per74* wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 21:42 MWright967 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 19:42 bisen11 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 19:21 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 23:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. But if the old lady was a good and faithful woman to god then she would be sent to heaven where she would experience eternal bliss. Therefor it would be better to die and go to heaven rather than to stay on earth. IF the old lady was good. She could be...''So-so'', and could go to limbo, purgatory, etc. And hell, the way the scriptures read, you can condemn yourself to an eternity of misery for doing a few mild things wrong. The old lady isn't necessarily good. It even says in the bible that ''Walking through the gates of heaven is a task for those who are pure of heart''. Not many people are ''pure of heart''. Also, heaven is described as a wondrous and happy place, but it never says you will be completely happy. You won't see your children, your friends, family, anything, until many years pass and they as well, and even then, they may not go to heaven. See how this starts to riccochet? How can I have everlasting happiness without the ones who care for me and that I spend my life with? Oh, wait, I'll use the argument of every priest and pastor in the world, ''With god, all things are possible''. Lol. How do you know your friends and family won't go to heaven? It's something you can look forward to. And how can you say you won't be happy up in heaven when you've never been to heaven? If you don't believe in God, then you may not think heaven is a great place. But if you do, then you know that what he's got up there for you is the most amazing thing, something you can't even dream of, nor think of. To tell you the truth, I don't think God will send THAT many people to hell. I think all you have to do is live a good life, because some people believe what their parent taught them and by what the people around them believe in. All in all, I DON'T CARE WHAT you think about what I believe. I BELIEVE it's right- you don't have to. You know what else you don't HAVE to do? Make fun of what I think. I'm not making fun of you for not believing in God or what's written in the bible. So c'mon dude, just stop. Ahhh okay, so wait, because my beliefs conflict with yours, I have to stop talking? Classic christian philosophy. ''Don't be tempted by the non-believers!!!''. You continue to blab about the exact same stuff, over and over, disregarding my arguments. Have you ever read the bible? Obviously not. Because you would know how easy it is to get into hell. It says in the bible, and this is JESUS saying this, ''Though can curse me with no punishment, but if though cursith the holy spirit, thou shalt be condemned to hell fires for all eternity to burn for thy sin''. So wait, if I say ''Hey holy spirit, fuck you!'', I'm going to hell? God is preeeeetty cool You say, god does, this god does that, god is so great. If god creates even one human, even ONE person, they go to hell...Do you realize what that means? They're essentially, burned battered tortured and ripped to pieces over and over for ALL. OF. ETERNITY. Or at least, in some versions of the story ''The lord reclaims all souls, and brings the dead back to life, and all sins will be forgiven''. No one, no matter how cruel, deserves that. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. He creates us, he puts us through hell and torture on earth, he destroys us, and then he burns many of us in eternal hell fires. Cool god
MWright967 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 22:15 Sn1per74* wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 21:42 MWright967 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 19:42 bisen11 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 19:21 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 23:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. But if the old lady was a good and faithful woman to god then she would be sent to heaven where she would experience eternal bliss. Therefor it would be better to die and go to heaven rather than to stay on earth. IF the old lady was good. She could be...''So-so'', and could go to limbo, purgatory, etc. And hell, the way the scriptures read, you can condemn yourself to an eternity of misery for doing a few mild things wrong. The old lady isn't necessarily good. It even says in the bible that ''Walking through the gates of heaven is a task for those who are pure of heart''. Not many people are ''pure of heart''. Also, heaven is described as a wondrous and happy place, but it never says you will be completely happy. You won't see your children, your friends, family, anything, until many years pass and they as well, and even then, they may not go to heaven. See how this starts to riccochet? How can I have everlasting happiness without the ones who care for me and that I spend my life with? Oh, wait, I'll use the argument of every priest and pastor in the world, ''With god, all things are possible''. Lol. How do you know your friends and family won't go to heaven? It's something you can look forward to. And how can you say you won't be happy up in heaven when you've never been to heaven? If you don't believe in God, then you may not think heaven is a great place. But if you do, then you know that what he's got up there for you is the most amazing thing, something you can't even dream of, nor think of. To tell you the truth, I don't think God will send THAT many people to hell. I think all you have to do is live a good life, because some people believe what their parent taught them and by what the people around them believe in. All in all, I DON'T CARE WHAT you think about what I believe. I BELIEVE it's right- you don't have to. You know what else you don't HAVE to do? Make fun of what I think. I'm not making fun of you for not believing in God or what's written in the bible. So c'mon dude, just stop. Ahhh okay, so wait, because my beliefs conflict with yours, I have to stop talking? Classic christian philosophy. ''Don't be tempted by the non-believers!!!''. You continue to blab about the exact same stuff, over and over, disregarding my arguments. Have you ever read the bible? Obviously not. Because you would know how easy it is to get into hell. It says in the bible, and this is JESUS saying this, ''Though can curse me with no punishment, but if though cursith the holy spirit, thou shalt be condemned to hell fires for all eternity to burn for thy sin''. So wait, if I say ''Hey holy spirit, fuck you!'', I'm going to hell? God is preeeeetty cool You say, god does, this god does that, god is so great. If god creates even one human, even ONE person, they go to hell...Do you realize what that means? They're essentially, burned battered tortured and ripped to pieces over and over for ALL. OF. ETERNITY. Or at least, in some versions of the story ''The lord reclaims all souls, and brings the dead back to life, and all sins will be forgiven''. No one, no matter how cruel, deserves that. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. He creates us, he puts us through hell and torture on earth, he destroys us, and then he burns many of us in eternal hell fires. Cool god Yes, but that is why Jesus died for our sins. If we say "Hey Holy Spirit, screw you." We will go to hell. But Jesus died on the cross so that we wouldn't go to hell. Because we are CREATED, God loves us all and couldn't bear to see everyone EVERYONE go to hell, He sent down God The Son to live among us and die on the cross, which is said in the old testement. "His son will come die for us all." Maybe not the exact words, but you can find it in the old testement. Hell and torture as you put it, is our test to see if we are good enough to come back to God and Heaven. Hold this debate for a couple days, I'm getting a religous guy to come on my account. He'll continue this. I think...
You do realize you just said, ''If we say screw you holy spirit'' we go to hell, then you just said, ''But we won't go to hell because Jesus died for our sins''. Contradiction much? I'll repeat, if the first part is correct, we all go to hell for cursing the holy spirit. That sounds really aweosome. Lets imagine the 2nd part is correct. So wait, if Jesus dies for my sins, I can do anything I want. Woo hoo! Oh but wait, then that nullifys like.......The rest of the bible...Gosh darn. Also, what do you mean ''hell and torture are tests to see if we can get back into heaven''? No they aren't. Lol. I have news for you, once you're in hell, its over my friend. Even Jesus sais, ''Hell is a furnance in which god burns evil for all eternity''. So wait, Jesus dies for our sins.....Yet if we commit sins we go to hell. Interesting. So pretty much, God sent old Jesus down, got him killed for no reason, and we still go out and do bad stuff AND get horribly punished for it for all of eternity. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice
MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 11:48 You do realize you just said, ''If we say screw you holy spirit'' we go to hell, then you just said, ''But we won't go to hell because Jesus died for our sins''. Contradiction much? I'll repeat, if the first part is correct, we all go to hell for cursing the holy spirit. That sounds really aweosome. Lets imagine the 2nd part is correct. So wait, if Jesus dies for my sins, I can do anything I want. Woo hoo! Oh but wait, then that nullifys like.......The rest of the bible...Gosh darn. Also, what do you mean ''hell and torture are tests to see if we can get back into heaven''? No they aren't. Lol. I have news for you, once you're in hell, its over my friend. Even Jesus sais, ''Hell is a furnance in which god burns evil for all eternity''. So wait, Jesus dies for our sins.....Yet if we commit sins we go to hell. Interesting. So pretty much, God sent old Jesus down, got him killed for no reason, and we still go out and do bad stuff AND get horribly punished for it for all of eternity. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice You can do anything you want, and if you feel bad about it and ask for forgiveness he WILL forgive you. But if you do something and say I'm sorry and don't mean it, he won't forgive you.
R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 17:42 Rocko wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 20:38 then what is the point of living? why not skip life on earth and go straight to heaven.. Because there is a lack of chairs. And Earth is basically a test to see if you are worthy of a chair. A lack of chairs? What? Seems heaven isn't so perfect after all.
Dover wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 16:46 R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 17:42 Rocko wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 20:38 then what is the point of living? why not skip life on earth and go straight to heaven.. Because there is a lack of chairs. And Earth is basically a test to see if you are worthy of a chair. A lack of chairs? What? Seems heaven isn't so perfect after all. Nah, it is only perfect... if you own a chair.
Sn1per74* wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 15:44 MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 11:48 You do realize you just said, ''If we say screw you holy spirit'' we go to hell, then you just said, ''But we won't go to hell because Jesus died for our sins''. Contradiction much? I'll repeat, if the first part is correct, we all go to hell for cursing the holy spirit. That sounds really aweosome. Lets imagine the 2nd part is correct. So wait, if Jesus dies for my sins, I can do anything I want. Woo hoo! Oh but wait, then that nullifys like.......The rest of the bible...Gosh darn. Also, what do you mean ''hell and torture are tests to see if we can get back into heaven''? No they aren't. Lol. I have news for you, once you're in hell, its over my friend. Even Jesus sais, ''Hell is a furnance in which god burns evil for all eternity''. So wait, Jesus dies for our sins.....Yet if we commit sins we go to hell. Interesting. So pretty much, God sent old Jesus down, got him killed for no reason, and we still go out and do bad stuff AND get horribly punished for it for all of eternity. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice You can do anything you want, and if you feel bad about it and ask for forgiveness he WILL forgive you. But if you do something and say I'm sorry and don't mean it, he won't forgive you. Okay. Lets go with that for a minute. So by your standards, if I do something bad and I apologize, I'm good. Yet, if I do something bad, and apologize, and I don't mean it, I'm going to hell? Okay. So wait a minute. I remember in my youth calling my mother a ''Bitch'' once. ''Thou shalt not curse thy ancestors'', I believe were the words of Jesus. Now my dad smacked me and said to apologize to her. I did, but I didn't mean it. So I'm going to hell? Heres a better example. What if I'm a rich guy, and I give up my money for cancer research but I don't really mean it, I just do it to get in to heaven. Even if I WANTED to mean it, I couldn't really mean it. So I'm going to hell....Again...? Lol.
R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 21:06 Dover wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 16:46 R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 17:42 Rocko wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 20:38 then what is the point of living? why not skip life on earth and go straight to heaven.. Because there is a lack of chairs. And Earth is basically a test to see if you are worthy of a chair. A lack of chairs? What? Seems heaven isn't so perfect after all. Nah, it is only perfect... if you own a chair. Conditional perfection is not perfection.
MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 23:16 Sn1per74* wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 15:44 MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 11:48 You do realize you just said, ''If we say screw you holy spirit'' we go to hell, then you just said, ''But we won't go to hell because Jesus died for our sins''. Contradiction much? I'll repeat, if the first part is correct, we all go to hell for cursing the holy spirit. That sounds really aweosome. Lets imagine the 2nd part is correct. So wait, if Jesus dies for my sins, I can do anything I want. Woo hoo! Oh but wait, then that nullifys like.......The rest of the bible...Gosh darn. Also, what do you mean ''hell and torture are tests to see if we can get back into heaven''? No they aren't. Lol. I have news for you, once you're in hell, its over my friend. Even Jesus sais, ''Hell is a furnance in which god burns evil for all eternity''. So wait, Jesus dies for our sins.....Yet if we commit sins we go to hell. Interesting. So pretty much, God sent old Jesus down, got him killed for no reason, and we still go out and do bad stuff AND get horribly punished for it for all of eternity. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice You can do anything you want, and if you feel bad about it and ask for forgiveness he WILL forgive you. But if you do something and say I'm sorry and don't mean it, he won't forgive you. Okay. Lets go with that for a minute. So by your standards, if I do something bad and I apologize, I'm good. Yet, if I do something bad, and apologize, and I don't mean it, I'm going to hell? Okay. So wait a minute. I remember in my youth calling my mother a ''Bitch'' once. ''Thou shalt not curse thy ancestors'', I believe were the words of Jesus. Now my dad smacked me and said to apologize to her. I did, but I didn't mean it. So I'm going to hell? Heres a better example. What if I'm a rich guy, and I give up my money for cancer research but I don't really mean it, I just do it to get in to heaven. Even if I WANTED to mean it, I couldn't really mean it. So I'm going to hell....Again...? Lol. You wouldn't go to hell for either of those. And how is giving away money and not meaning it, the same as apologizing and not meaning? It's not the same.
ROFL @ how the writings from the Bible is presented as sure facts.
religious faith is not based on logic or reason, i don't think anyone will ever come up with a real argument for why they should believe other than just cuz
Sn1per74* wrote on Thu, 07 February 2008 17:56 MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 23:16 Sn1per74* wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 15:44 MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 11:48 You do realize you just said, ''If we say screw you holy spirit'' we go to hell, then you just said, ''But we won't go to hell because Jesus died for our sins''. Contradiction much? I'll repeat, if the first part is correct, we all go to hell for cursing the holy spirit. That sounds really aweosome. Lets imagine the 2nd part is correct. So wait, if Jesus dies for my sins, I can do anything I want. Woo hoo! Oh but wait, then that nullifys like.......The rest of the bible...Gosh darn. Also, what do you mean ''hell and torture are tests to see if we can get back into heaven''? No they aren't. Lol. I have news for you, once you're in hell, its over my friend. Even Jesus sais, ''Hell is a furnance in which god burns evil for all eternity''. So wait, Jesus dies for our sins.....Yet if we commit sins we go to hell. Interesting. So pretty much, God sent old Jesus down, got him killed for no reason, and we still go out and do bad stuff AND get horribly punished for it for all of eternity. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice You can do anything you want, and if you feel bad about it and ask for forgiveness he WILL forgive you. But if you do something and say I'm sorry and don't mean it, he won't forgive you. Okay. Lets go with that for a minute. So by your standards, if I do something bad and I apologize, I'm good. Yet, if I do something bad, and apologize, and I don't mean it, I'm going to hell? Okay. So wait a minute. I remember in my youth calling my mother a ''Bitch'' once. ''Thou shalt not curse thy ancestors'', I believe were the words of Jesus. Now my dad smacked me and said to apologize to her. I did, but I didn't mean it. So I'm going to hell? Heres a better example. What if I'm a rich guy, and I give up my money for cancer research but I don't really mean it, I just do it to get in to heaven. Even if I WANTED to mean it, I couldn't really mean it. So I'm going to hell....Again...? Lol. You wouldn't go to hell for either of those. And how is giving away money and not meaning it, the same as apologizing and not meaning? It's not the same. Uhm. I wouldn't go to hell? Didn't you just say I'd go to hell for doing either of those lol??? And also, its the same for this reason. I'm giving money away to make myself feel good and be a ''good'' person, so I'll get into heaven. But by your logic, if I'm saying or doing something just to get into heaven, I get boned. Cool
MWright967 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 20:42 bisen11 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 19:21 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 23:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. But if the old lady was a good and faithful woman to god then she would be sent to heaven where she would experience eternal bliss. Therefor it would be better to die and go to heaven rather than to stay on earth. IF the old lady was good. She could be...''So-so'', and could go to limbo, purgatory, etc. And hell, the way the scriptures read, you can condemn yourself to an eternity of misery for doing a few mild things wrong. The old lady isn't necessarily good. It even says in the bible that ''Walking through the gates of heaven is a task for those who are pure of heart''. Not many people are ''pure of heart''. Also, heaven is described as a wondrous and happy place, but it never says you will be completely happy. You won't see your children, your friends, family, anything, until many years pass and they as well, and even then, they may not go to heaven. See how this starts to riccochet? How can I have everlasting happiness without the ones who care for me and that I spend my life with? Oh, wait, I'll use the argument of every priest and pastor in the world, ''With god, all things are possible''. Lol. A person can get out of purgatory and go to heaven. Purgatory is a place of clensing one's heart and becoming ready to enter heaven. I believe god is very forgiving. The main thing he wants is for you to believe in him. Things like murder however I believe will get you into hell aside from maybe to protect other people from being killed. As to heaven, well neither of us knows what it is truly like. For all we know there are replicas of our family that we don't even know are replicas. Does time even exist in heaven? I believe I have heard that your mind is truly opened when you enter heaven so I doubt one's thought process will be the same as it is on earth. It's likely that everyone cares for everyone.
bisen11 wrote on Thu, 07 February 2008 22:39 MWright967 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 20:42 bisen11 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 19:21 MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 23:45 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot. Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting. But if the old lady was a good and faithful woman to god then she would be sent to heaven where she would experience eternal bliss. Therefor it would be better to die and go to heaven rather than to stay on earth. IF the old lady was good. She could be...''So-so'', and could go to limbo, purgatory, etc. And hell, the way the scriptures read, you can condemn yourself to an eternity of misery for doing a few mild things wrong. The old lady isn't necessarily good. It even says in the bible that ''Walking through the gates of heaven is a task for those who are pure of heart''. Not many people are ''pure of heart''. Also, heaven is described as a wondrous and happy place, but it never says you will be completely happy. You won't see your children, your friends, family, anything, until many years pass and they as well, and even then, they may not go to heaven. See how this starts to riccochet? How can I have everlasting happiness without the ones who care for me and that I spend my life with? Oh, wait, I'll use the argument of every priest and pastor in the world, ''With god, all things are possible''. Lol. A person can get out of purgatory and go to heaven. Purgatory is a place of clensing one's heart and becoming ready to enter heaven. I believe god is very forgiving. The main thing he wants is for you to believe in him. Things like murder however I believe will get you into hell aside from maybe to protect other people from being killed. As to heaven, well neither of us knows what it is truly like. For all we know there are replicas of our family that we don't even know are replicas. Does time even exist in heaven? I believe I have heard that your mind is truly opened when you enter heaven so I doubt one's thought process will be the same as it is on earth. It's likely that everyone cares for everyone. I'll steal a little snipet from starbuzz: LOL @ people acting like all of this stuff is 100% fact.
When logic and reason is used against religious people, it is automatically branded as "bashing." But when they speak like they know everything, we are expected to unconditionally believe them!
Starbuzz wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 07:19 When logic and reason is used against religious people, it is automatically branded as "bashing." But when they speak like they know everything, we are expected to unconditionally believe them! Religious people don't understand the words of "logic" or "reason" it is beyond them. But hey!, it's their freedom to believe in a man made idea, who are we to bash them for that? xD
Ok, MrWright. You find me something more historically accurate from the time period than the bible and I might consider your arguments valid.
Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 18:07 Ok, MrWright. You find me something more historically accurate from the time period than the bible and I might consider your arguments valid. He is "loling" about people who have visited heaven, hell, and the so-called purgatory and have come back to post here on Renegadeforums.com to inform the "sinners" of their impending doom.
Starbuzz wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 20:34 Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 18:07 Ok, MrWright. You find me something more historically accurate from the time period than the bible and I might consider your arguments valid. He is "loling" about people who have visited heaven, hell, and the so-called purgatory and have come back to post here on Renegadeforums.com to inform the "sinners" of their impending doom. And thuh-ank you Starbuzz, couldn't have said it better myself. Also, heres a little something for you Muad, I have a little something far better than the bible. Its called an 8th grade science workbook...And uh, the last time I checked, visiting abstract multi-demonsional realms existing out of time and space wasn't possible for humans. My bad
MWright967 wrote on Thu, 07 February 2008 19:03 Sn1per74* wrote on Thu, 07 February 2008 17:56 MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 23:16 Sn1per74* wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 15:44 MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 11:48 You do realize you just said, ''If we say screw you holy spirit'' we go to hell, then you just said, ''But we won't go to hell because Jesus died for our sins''. Contradiction much? I'll repeat, if the first part is correct, we all go to hell for cursing the holy spirit. That sounds really aweosome. Lets imagine the 2nd part is correct. So wait, if Jesus dies for my sins, I can do anything I want. Woo hoo! Oh but wait, then that nullifys like.......The rest of the bible...Gosh darn. Also, what do you mean ''hell and torture are tests to see if we can get back into heaven''? No they aren't. Lol. I have news for you, once you're in hell, its over my friend. Even Jesus sais, ''Hell is a furnance in which god burns evil for all eternity''. So wait, Jesus dies for our sins.....Yet if we commit sins we go to hell. Interesting. So pretty much, God sent old Jesus down, got him killed for no reason, and we still go out and do bad stuff AND get horribly punished for it for all of eternity. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice You can do anything you want, and if you feel bad about it and ask for forgiveness he WILL forgive you. But if you do something and say I'm sorry and don't mean it, he won't forgive you. Okay. Lets go with that for a minute. So by your standards, if I do something bad and I apologize, I'm good. Yet, if I do something bad, and apologize, and I don't mean it, I'm going to hell? Okay. So wait a minute. I remember in my youth calling my mother a ''Bitch'' once. ''Thou shalt not curse thy ancestors'', I believe were the words of Jesus. Now my dad smacked me and said to apologize to her. I did, but I didn't mean it. So I'm going to hell? Heres a better example. What if I'm a rich guy, and I give up my money for cancer research but I don't really mean it, I just do it to get in to heaven. Even if I WANTED to mean it, I couldn't really mean it. So I'm going to hell....Again...? Lol. You wouldn't go to hell for either of those. And how is giving away money and not meaning it, the same as apologizing and not meaning? It's not the same. Uhm. I wouldn't go to hell? Didn't you just say I'd go to hell for doing either of those lol??? And also, its the same for this reason. I'm giving money away to make myself feel good and be a ''good'' person, so I'll get into heaven. But by your logic, if I'm saying or doing something just to get into heaven, I get boned. Cool I can't tell someone there going to hell. Nobody knows what's the limit. There's not a list, so you just got to live life the best you can. But, God does however, forgive anybody for anything. How is that a mean god?
Lol. Where does it say ANYWHERE in the bible that god will forgive anything?? And how is that you don't know the limit yet you know he'll forgive anything?
Sn1per74* wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 23:54 MWright967 wrote on Thu, 07 February 2008 19:03 Sn1per74* wrote on Thu, 07 February 2008 17:56 MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 23:16 Sn1per74* wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 15:44 MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 11:48 You do realize you just said, ''If we say screw you holy spirit'' we go to hell, then you just said, ''But we won't go to hell because Jesus died for our sins''. Contradiction much? I'll repeat, if the first part is correct, we all go to hell for cursing the holy spirit. That sounds really aweosome. Lets imagine the 2nd part is correct. So wait, if Jesus dies for my sins, I can do anything I want. Woo hoo! Oh but wait, then that nullifys like.......The rest of the bible...Gosh darn. Also, what do you mean ''hell and torture are tests to see if we can get back into heaven''? No they aren't. Lol. I have news for you, once you're in hell, its over my friend. Even Jesus sais, ''Hell is a furnance in which god burns evil for all eternity''. So wait, Jesus dies for our sins.....Yet if we commit sins we go to hell. Interesting. So pretty much, God sent old Jesus down, got him killed for no reason, and we still go out and do bad stuff AND get horribly punished for it for all of eternity. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice You can do anything you want, and if you feel bad about it and ask for forgiveness he WILL forgive you. But if you do something and say I'm sorry and don't mean it, he won't forgive you. Okay. Lets go with that for a minute. So by your standards, if I do something bad and I apologize, I'm good. Yet, if I do something bad, and apologize, and I don't mean it, I'm going to hell? Okay. So wait a minute. I remember in my youth calling my mother a ''Bitch'' once. ''Thou shalt not curse thy ancestors'', I believe were the words of Jesus. Now my dad smacked me and said to apologize to her. I did, but I didn't mean it. So I'm going to hell? Heres a better example. What if I'm a rich guy, and I give up my money for cancer research but I don't really mean it, I just do it to get in to heaven. Even if I WANTED to mean it, I couldn't really mean it. So I'm going to hell....Again...? Lol. You wouldn't go to hell for either of those. And how is giving away money and not meaning it, the same as apologizing and not meaning? It's not the same. Uhm. I wouldn't go to hell? Didn't you just say I'd go to hell for doing either of those lol??? And also, its the same for this reason. I'm giving money away to make myself feel good and be a ''good'' person, so I'll get into heaven. But by your logic, if I'm saying or doing something just to get into heaven, I get boned. Cool I can't tell someone there going to hell. Nobody knows what's the limit. There's not a list, so you just got to live life the best you can. But, God does however, forgive anybody for anything. How is that a mean god? i've said this to another bible thumper before but, have you talked to god lately?
Sn1per74* wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 23:54 I can't tell someone there going to hell. Nobody knows what's the limit. There's not a list, so you just got to live life the best you can. But, God does however, forgive anybody for anything. How is that a mean god? I know the limit. You cannot get to heaven if you do not live like them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish IronWarrior wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 07:33 Religious people don't understand the words of "logic" or "reason" it is beyond them. But hey!, it's their freedom to believe in a man made idea, who are we to bash them for that? xD Sorry I missed this, Iron. I agree fully but what will the world be if men refuse to debate their differences?
Rocko wrote on Sat, 09 February 2008 00:22 Sn1per74* wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 23:54 MWright967 wrote on Thu, 07 February 2008 19:03 Sn1per74* wrote on Thu, 07 February 2008 17:56 MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 23:16 Sn1per74* wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 15:44 MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 11:48 You do realize you just said, ''If we say screw you holy spirit'' we go to hell, then you just said, ''But we won't go to hell because Jesus died for our sins''. Contradiction much? I'll repeat, if the first part is correct, we all go to hell for cursing the holy spirit. That sounds really aweosome. Lets imagine the 2nd part is correct. So wait, if Jesus dies for my sins, I can do anything I want. Woo hoo! Oh but wait, then that nullifys like.......The rest of the bible...Gosh darn. Also, what do you mean ''hell and torture are tests to see if we can get back into heaven''? No they aren't. Lol. I have news for you, once you're in hell, its over my friend. Even Jesus sais, ''Hell is a furnance in which god burns evil for all eternity''. So wait, Jesus dies for our sins.....Yet if we commit sins we go to hell. Interesting. So pretty much, God sent old Jesus down, got him killed for no reason, and we still go out and do bad stuff AND get horribly punished for it for all of eternity. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice You can do anything you want, and if you feel bad about it and ask for forgiveness he WILL forgive you. But if you do something and say I'm sorry and don't mean it, he won't forgive you. Okay. Lets go with that for a minute. So by your standards, if I do something bad and I apologize, I'm good. Yet, if I do something bad, and apologize, and I don't mean it, I'm going to hell? Okay. So wait a minute. I remember in my youth calling my mother a ''Bitch'' once. ''Thou shalt not curse thy ancestors'', I believe were the words of Jesus. Now my dad smacked me and said to apologize to her. I did, but I didn't mean it. So I'm going to hell? Heres a better example. What if I'm a rich guy, and I give up my money for cancer research but I don't really mean it, I just do it to get in to heaven. Even if I WANTED to mean it, I couldn't really mean it. So I'm going to hell....Again...? Lol. You wouldn't go to hell for either of those. And how is giving away money and not meaning it, the same as apologizing and not meaning? It's not the same. Uhm. I wouldn't go to hell? Didn't you just say I'd go to hell for doing either of those lol??? And also, its the same for this reason. I'm giving money away to make myself feel good and be a ''good'' person, so I'll get into heaven. But by your logic, if I'm saying or doing something just to get into heaven, I get boned. Cool I can't tell someone there going to hell. Nobody knows what's the limit. There's not a list, so you just got to live life the best you can. But, God does however, forgive anybody for anything. How is that a mean god? i've said this to another bible thumper before but, have you talked to god lately? Yes. Have you?
Sn1per74* wrote on Sat, 09 February 2008 23:40 Rocko wrote on Sat, 09 February 2008 00:22 Sn1per74* wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 23:54 MWright967 wrote on Thu, 07 February 2008 19:03 Sn1per74* wrote on Thu, 07 February 2008 17:56 MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 23:16 Sn1per74* wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 15:44 MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 11:48 You do realize you just said, ''If we say screw you holy spirit'' we go to hell, then you just said, ''But we won't go to hell because Jesus died for our sins''. Contradiction much? I'll repeat, if the first part is correct, we all go to hell for cursing the holy spirit. That sounds really aweosome. Lets imagine the 2nd part is correct. So wait, if Jesus dies for my sins, I can do anything I want. Woo hoo! Oh but wait, then that nullifys like.......The rest of the bible...Gosh darn. Also, what do you mean ''hell and torture are tests to see if we can get back into heaven''? No they aren't. Lol. I have news for you, once you're in hell, its over my friend. Even Jesus sais, ''Hell is a furnance in which god burns evil for all eternity''. So wait, Jesus dies for our sins.....Yet if we commit sins we go to hell. Interesting. So pretty much, God sent old Jesus down, got him killed for no reason, and we still go out and do bad stuff AND get horribly punished for it for all of eternity. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice You can do anything you want, and if you feel bad about it and ask for forgiveness he WILL forgive you. But if you do something and say I'm sorry and don't mean it, he won't forgive you. Okay. Lets go with that for a minute. So by your standards, if I do something bad and I apologize, I'm good. Yet, if I do something bad, and apologize, and I don't mean it, I'm going to hell? Okay. So wait a minute. I remember in my youth calling my mother a ''Bitch'' once. ''Thou shalt not curse thy ancestors'', I believe were the words of Jesus. Now my dad smacked me and said to apologize to her. I did, but I didn't mean it. So I'm going to hell? Heres a better example. What if I'm a rich guy, and I give up my money for cancer research but I don't really mean it, I just do it to get in to heaven. Even if I WANTED to mean it, I couldn't really mean it. So I'm going to hell....Again...? Lol. You wouldn't go to hell for either of those. And how is giving away money and not meaning it, the same as apologizing and not meaning? It's not the same. Uhm. I wouldn't go to hell? Didn't you just say I'd go to hell for doing either of those lol??? And also, its the same for this reason. I'm giving money away to make myself feel good and be a ''good'' person, so I'll get into heaven. But by your logic, if I'm saying or doing something just to get into heaven, I get boned. Cool I can't tell someone there going to hell. Nobody knows what's the limit. There's not a list, so you just got to live life the best you can. But, God does however, forgive anybody for anything. How is that a mean god? i've said this to another bible thumper before but, have you talked to god lately? Yes. Have you? I believe he meant, have you had a conversation with god? As in, you saying Howdy partner! and him saying Sup bro, instead of you just being, essentially, the ugly chick from the saturday party leaving the message on the recorder and him never getting back to you
IronWarrior wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 06:33 Starbuzz wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 07:19 When logic and reason is used against religious people, it is automatically branded as "bashing." But when they speak like they know everything, we are expected to unconditionally believe them! Religious people don't understand the words of "logic" or "reason" it is beyond them. But hey!, it's their freedom to believe in a man made idea, who are we to bash them for that? xD I understand logic and reason perfectly. I also understand that it doesn't apply to concepts of God as well. There are just as many logical reasons as to why you should believe in God as to why you should trust a friend or a stranger.. ie. none. Yet people trust friends and strangers every day, and aren't "bashed" for it...
Rocko wrote on Sun, 27 January 2008 21:37 I've always wondered how can so many christians place so much faith in a mystical man that lived 2000 years ago? What if jesus was just the greatest magician ever? I wouldn't think it to be too hard to trick and confuse people back then. People mistaked ordinary things for godly occurences all the time. since im a christian but i call myself a non believer. i think jezus died because he just fucking deserved it thats why, listen i piss on religion. too many people question themselfs why?... i tell them to stfu, this only causes war.
renalpha wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 13:11 Rocko wrote on Sun, 27 January 2008 21:37 I've always wondered how can so many christians place so much faith in a mystical man that lived 2000 years ago? What if jesus was just the greatest magician ever? I wouldn't think it to be too hard to trick and confuse people back then. People mistaked ordinary things for godly occurences all the time. since im a christian but i call myself a non believer. i think jezus died because he just fucking deserved it thats why, listen i piss on religion. too many people question themselfs why?... i tell them to stfu, this only causes war. ...He deserved it? You're fucked up, man, if you're a Christian aka CHRIST FOLLOWER, and you think that Jesus deserved to be cruelly tortured and killed.
Originally Blue wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 13:57 renalpha wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 13:11 Rocko wrote on Sun, 27 January 2008 21:37 I've always wondered how can so many christians place so much faith in a mystical man that lived 2000 years ago? What if jesus was just the greatest magician ever? I wouldn't think it to be too hard to trick and confuse people back then. People mistaked ordinary things for godly occurences all the time. since im a christian but i call myself a non believer. i think jezus died because he just fucking deserved it thats why, listen i piss on religion. too many people question themselfs why?... i tell them to stfu, this only causes war. ...He deserved it? You're fucked up, man, if you're a Christian aka CHRIST FOLLOWER, and you think that Jesus deserved to be cruelly tortured and killed. I don't agree with what alpha said, but Jesus did let it happen, when he had the chance to get away, so in a sense, he did deserve it, as he had the chance to escape but didn't. Like standing in the road while a bus is coming and not getting out the way.
IronWarrior wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 12:56 Originally Blue wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 13:57 renalpha wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 13:11 Rocko wrote on Sun, 27 January 2008 21:37 I've always wondered how can so many christians place so much faith in a mystical man that lived 2000 years ago? What if jesus was just the greatest magician ever? I wouldn't think it to be too hard to trick and confuse people back then. People mistaked ordinary things for godly occurences all the time. since im a christian but i call myself a non believer. i think jezus died because he just fucking deserved it thats why, listen i piss on religion. too many people question themselfs why?... i tell them to stfu, this only causes war. ...He deserved it? You're fucked up, man, if you're a Christian aka CHRIST FOLLOWER, and you think that Jesus deserved to be cruelly tortured and killed. I don't agree with what alpha said, but Jesus did let it happen, when he had the chance to get away, so in a sense, he did deserve it, as he had the chance to escape but didn't. Like standing in the road while a bus is coming and not getting out the way. Because if the bus did not hit him and kill him, then a lot of people will go to hell.
Starbuzz wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 15:05 IronWarrior wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 12:56 Originally Blue wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 13:57 renalpha wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 13:11 Rocko wrote on Sun, 27 January 2008 21:37 I've always wondered how can so many christians place so much faith in a mystical man that lived 2000 years ago? What if jesus was just the greatest magician ever? I wouldn't think it to be too hard to trick and confuse people back then. People mistaked ordinary things for godly occurences all the time. since im a christian but i call myself a non believer. i think jezus died because he just fucking deserved it thats why, listen i piss on religion. too many people question themselfs why?... i tell them to stfu, this only causes war. ...He deserved it? You're fucked up, man, if you're a Christian aka CHRIST FOLLOWER, and you think that Jesus deserved to be cruelly tortured and killed. I don't agree with what alpha said, but Jesus did let it happen, when he had the chance to get away, so in a sense, he did deserve it, as he had the chance to escape but didn't. Like standing in the road while a bus is coming and not getting out the way. Because if the bus did not hit him and kill him, then a lot of people will go to hell. You get more and more arrogant with every religious bashing comment you make.
Originally Blue wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 15:08 You get more and more arrogant with every religious bashing comment you make. I am right am I not? When I was not bashing and speaking logic, I was FALSY ACCUSED of bashing. Now when I simply followed up with Iron's analogy, I am arrogant?
In a manner of speaking, Jesus committed suicide, which is a sin.
IronWarrior wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 16:34 In a manner of speaking, Jesus committed suicide, which is a sin. Suicide is the act of forcibly killing oneself. While he did not attempt to stop anyone, he didn't inflict pain on himself. Therefore it isn't suicide. Made me alugh though
Wright, if all you can do now is laugh at religious people give up this thread to people that actually know what they are talking about. Like Starbuzz, he doesn't blatently bash people and then say, "I loled at your reply."
Muad Dib15 wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 17:26 Wright, if all you can do now is laugh at religious people give up this thread to people that actually know what they are talking about. Like Starbuzz, he doesn't blatently bash people and then say, "I loled at your reply." Ah so instead of continuing to attack my argument, after being thoroughly beaten, you finally just gave up and decided to result to accusing me of bashing your pagan religion. Muad is preeeeetty cool And yes, I am bashing your religion, because I find that its very foundations and principals incredibly stupid and contrite.
MWright967 wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 17:18 IronWarrior wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 16:34 In a manner of speaking, Jesus committed suicide, which is a sin. Suicide is the act of forcibly killing oneself. While he did not attempt to stop anyone, he didn't inflict pain on himself. Therefore it isn't suicide. Made me alugh though As Jesus know what was gonna happen to himself and didn't stop it, you can argue that it was a act of suicide. Have you ever heard of the term, suicide by cop? Quote: Suicide-by-cop is a suicide method in which someone deliberately acts in a threatening way towards a law enforcement officer, with the goal of provoking a lethal response, such as being shot to death. Similar phrases include death by cop, suicide-by-police, and officer- (or police-) assisted suicide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_by_cop So, as he know what was going to happen and infact welcomed it, this you could say, is the same thing.
Sorry, but that is faulty logic. Suicide by cop is NOT simply knowing the police will kill you, and allowing it to happen. This is where you deliberately take actions in which you know the police will respond by killing you. The suicide part comes in because of the ACTION you take, not in "waiting around to let it happen", because there is no waiting, there is a forced response by the individual to the police. With what Jesus did (and anyone else who simply waits around and wait for the inevitable to happen) is not suicide, but rather allowing himself to be sacrificed for a greater cause (whether people believe in the cause or not, this is what it was done for). Socrates did the same thing. He preached against the state, the state captured him and sentenced him to death. He accepted that sentence without attempting to escape (and according to Plato, he was given the chance to escape but chose to stay behind and face his captors). I don't know ANYONE who said that Socrates committed suicide by doing that.