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Do you think there is a life after death? Or do you think you ~spiritually~ live on after you die? Do you think there is a heaven/hell? What do YOU want to happen after you die? Personally, I don't want a life after death. I just want to die, and then be out of it for ever. Sort of like how you feel when your sleeping, except there aren't dreams and you have no connections to living, just non-existent you. I also don't want to go to either heaven nor hell, because that requires you to live immortally for ever. Looking at hell as the worst case scenario being that you feel nothing but pain for ever until the end of time, but heaven is also pretty bad because everything is perfect and probably nothing exciting happens ever until the end of time... So basically, I just want to be done and over with... How about your feelings?
I can imagine I'll get laughed at for this, but what the hell (no pun intended ). I've always believed that the universe will die and a new universe will be born. I don't know if they will be exactly the same. I'm sure everyone can remember their very first memories, well i think dieing is like being knocked out and as soon as you wake up you're living through your (different) first memories again. "What do YOU want to happen after you die?" The above.
i plan to live for quite a long time iv been living for 22 years and am not about to break the habit of a lifetime i belive in an after life, i cant explain why, i study science, all it says on the matter is after you die you rot but i still belive and cant even justify why to myself, maby its hope
Once you die, that's it. Eternal darkness.
Ryu wrote on Thu, 22 November 2007 15:55 Once you die, that's it. Eternal darkness. Spot on. There is no afterlife. Being born is the birth of your conscience. Death is the end of it. You will die and become non-existent. There is no heaven or hell. Oh yeah...let's sing praises to the Lord forever and ever. Renegade anyone?
RoShamBo wrote on Thu, 22 November 2007 14:04 I can imagine I'll get laughed at for this, but what the hell (no pun intended ). I've always believed that the universe will die and a new universe will be born. I don't know if they will be exactly the same. I'm sure everyone can remember their very first memories, well i think dieing is like being knocked out and as soon as you wake up you're living through your (different) first memories again. "What do YOU want to happen after you die?" The above. Yeah, that is true, universe's are just like an human body with cells, they die and more are made, same with our life, when our bodys die, our life force or soul will be born in an new being.
You're born, you die, thats it. No afterlife, no heaven/hell. You either get buried or cremated. Life goes on (Obviously not yours)
I'm not sure... with no proof for anything beyond this life existing I would say no, but that kinda sucks... so the human in me wants something beyond it.
The only thing certain in life is death. But since it's impossible to experience it and remember it, it's hard to say.
im gonna make love to 60 virgins on a cloud
I'm gonna turn into dirt and dust, fertilize the ground and become a tree. Then, a lumberjack will come, cut my up, turn me into paper, and print the Bible on me.
Ryu wrote on Thu, 22 November 2007 14:55 Once you die, that's it. Eternal darkness. You're unwittingly implying you will still have a consciousness to experience the darkness. If "once you die, that's it" then surely you would not experience anything, not "darkness". You would simply cease.
Wouldn't dying be like...sleeping? Well, sleeping (not dreaming) feels weird, since so much time passed, yet you felt so less time.
Heaven or Hell. Why wouldn't there be one?
sadukar09 wrote on Thu, 22 November 2007 21:26 Wouldn't dying be like...sleeping? Well, sleeping (not dreaming) feels weird, since so much time passed, yet you felt so less time. But with death, you wouldn't feel anything, you would not be there.
Spoony wrote on Thu, 22 November 2007 21:18 Ryu wrote on Thu, 22 November 2007 14:55 Once you die, that's it. Eternal darkness. You're unwittingly implying you will still have a consciousness to experience the darkness. If "once you die, that's it" then surely you would not experience anything, not "darkness". You would simply cease. Eternal Darkness is a figure of speech, No one knows what happens after you die, But I don't believe in a heaven or hell because that's already on earth.
What do you mean when you say heaven and hell are on earth?
Tunaman wrote on Fri, 23 November 2007 03:05 What do you mean when you say heaven and hell are on earth? heaven renegade hell IRL
It isn't as I don't believe in them, they can or can't exist, but I just don't want to go to either.. Purgatory neither.
It's kind of funny how most of the posters are posting 'definite' responses, as if they are so sure they're right. Which one of you has died and returned to tell us what happened? It'd make you all a lot more rational if you said "I think" or "I believe" rather than giving definite responses.
[NE Fobby[GEN] wrote on Fri, 23 November 2007 20:06]It's kind of funny how most of the posters are posting 'definite' responses, as if they are so sure they're right. Which one of you has died and returned to tell us what happened? It'd make you all a lot more rational if you said "I think" or "I believe" rather than giving definite responses. Theres nothing to be indefinite about. When you die, you die. No two ways about it. I don't see any of my dead family members coming back to life and telling me how cool heaven was...
When you die, you'll fall over and disappear in a shining light. A few seconds later you'll re-appear in one of your team's buildings.
I believe I cease to exist and my mortal flesh becomes worm food, but my goal is to live forever. I also hope that there is reincarnation, but I also hope that in reincarnation, you do in fact come back as a human/equivalent being and not something intellectually lesser like a fish or a duck.
Crimson wrote on Fri, 23 November 2007 17:04 I believe I cease to exist and my mortal flesh becomes worm food, but my goal is to live forever. I also hope that there is reincarnation, but I also hope that in reincarnation, you do in fact come back as a human/equivalent being and not something intellectually lesser like a fish or a duck. My thoughts exactly.
Crimson wrote on Fri, 23 November 2007 23:04 I believe I cease to exist and my mortal flesh becomes worm food, but my goal is to live forever. I also hope that there is reincarnation, but I also hope that in reincarnation, you do in fact come back as a human/equivalent being and not something intellectually lesser like a fish or a duck. We can all hope that we come back in another life form, however, realistically its nonsense, illogical and would beat the purpose of death.
Caveman wrote on Fri, 23 November 2007 15:35 -NE-Fobby-GEN- It's kind of funny how most of the posters are posting 'definite' responses, as if they are so sure they're right. Which one of you has died and returned to tell us what happened? It'd make you all a lot more rational if you said "I think" or "I believe" rather than giving definite responses. Theres nothing to be indefinite about. When you die, you die. No two ways about it. I don't see any of my dead family members coming back to life and telling me how cool heaven was... That's awful arrogant to think that there is a definite answer. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because they haven't come back doesn't mean that there's no alternate ending besides just perishing.
IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 22 November 2007 15:08 RoShamBo wrote on Thu, 22 November 2007 14:04 I can imagine I'll get laughed at for this, but what the hell (no pun intended ). I've always believed that the universe will die and a new universe will be born. I don't know if they will be exactly the same. I'm sure everyone can remember their very first memories, well i think dieing is like being knocked out and as soon as you wake up you're living through your (different) first memories again. "What do YOU want to happen after you die?" The above. Yeah, that is true, universe's are just like an human body with cells, they die and more are made, same with our life, when our bodys die, our life force or soul will be born in an new being. I do agree with this my thoughts are close to that but not spot on but they are close enough to that and WOW haven't posted in this section for a while hehe
I can safely say that I don't know what's going to happen to me when i die, and i'm perfectly fine and happy with that.
cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 24 November 2007 01:39 Caveman wrote on Fri, 23 November 2007 15:35 -NE-Fobby-GEN- It's kind of funny how most of the posters are posting 'definite' responses, as if they are so sure they're right. Which one of you has died and returned to tell us what happened? It'd make you all a lot more rational if you said "I think" or "I believe" rather than giving definite responses. Theres nothing to be indefinite about. When you die, you die. No two ways about it. I don't see any of my dead family members coming back to life and telling me how cool heaven was... That's awful arrogant to think that there is a definite answer. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because they haven't come back doesn't mean that there's no alternate ending besides just perishing. It may be arrogant but its logical. The purpose of death is to no longer exist. You don't kill a chicken so it can come back to life as a frog. Gang members don't kill other gang members so they can goto heaven/hell or to be become another life form. Death is apart of life, or am I missing something here?
First those who say theirs nothing after you die. How do you know? Second I sure hope your right for your sake. But honestly, how do you know?
Darkknight wrote on Sat, 24 November 2007 15:01 First those who say theirs nothing after you die. How do you know? Second I sure hope your right for your sake. But honestly, how do you know? Well as I said in one of my previous posts, I don't see any of my much loved dead family members coming back to life and telling me how death was. Have you had any visits from your dead family members? I thought not. If there was some kind of reincarnation one would assume that said person would contact a family some how? Just think logically, when you die you seize to exist thats the point of death.
Why would you still possess memories from your past life?
Why wouldn't you? You've just been granted another life. For something such as this to happen one would assume that if you can be granted life you'd also be granted memories from the past life.
If there are reincarnations, do you remember anything that has happened in your past lives?
How can you recall something from a past life if you're using a different brain, where all your memory is stored?
Ryu wrote on Thu, 22 November 2007 14:55 Once you die, that's it. Eternal darkness. That's depressing. I'm sticking with the heaven or hell thing, until then, I'm just gonna have to wait. :/ Eternal life would be nice. But not as nice as Eternal Youth.
[NE Fobby[GEN] wrote on Sat, 24 November 2007 23:35]How can you recall something from a past life if you're using a different brain, where all your memory is stored? Then what would be the point of reincarnation if you can't remember it? If you can't remember your past life did you really get reincarnated? But still its illogical to think that you will become another life form and you'll live on when you're not meant to. Why is that so difficult for some people to understand? The purpose of life is to live and the purpose of death is to seize to exist.
Coveman how do you know the purpose of death and life? I wish that I knew everything about death and the reason for it, so I could act like I know everything.
I did not exist before I was born. Even after I was born, I did not realize it until a few years later as the brain developed. Death is the end of that body and the start of the non-existance; a non-existance that cannot be experienced. My 2 cents.
Tunaman wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 01:42 Coveman how do you know the purpose of death and life? I wish that I knew everything about death and the reason for it, so I could act like I know everything. Please do tell me the purpose of death, one would assume that theres only one purpose which is to no longer exist. Why can't you understand that? I don't act like I know everything, theres plenty that I have no understanding off. Im telling you how it is logically, if one was to be reincarnated it would beat the purpose of death, no?
Coveman wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 05:48 Tunaman wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 01:42 Coveman how do you know the purpose of death and life? I wish that I knew everything about death and the reason for it, so I could act like I know everything. Please do tell me the purpose of death, one would assume that theres only one purpose which is to no longer exist. Why can't you understand that? I don't act like I know everything, theres plenty that I have no understanding off. Im telling you how it is logically, if one was to be reincarnated it would beat the purpose of death, no? I can understand what you're trying to say, but your argument is less plausible than the "LULZ EARTH IS FLAT" argument. You have absolutely no evidence whatsoever besides your "omgwow u dont understand, how many people have you seen come back from dead?/" I don't know the meaning of death and I don't claim to, I just think its a bit ridiculous to claim you DO know the meaning of death, and are basing your arguments on such a ridiculous claim.
BlueThen wrote on Sat, 24 November 2007 17:53 Ryu wrote on Thu, 22 November 2007 14:55 Once you die, that's it. Eternal darkness. That's depressing. I'm sticking with the heaven or hell thing, until then, I'm just gonna have to wait. :/ Eternal life would be nice. But not as nice as Eternal Youth. In Heaven, your supposed to be at your peak age, and remain there.
Coveman wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 04:48 Tunaman wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 01:42 Coveman how do you know the purpose of death and life? I wish that I knew everything about death and the reason for it, so I could act like I know everything. Please do tell me the purpose of death, one would assume that theres only one purpose which is to no longer exist. Why can't you understand that? I don't act like I know everything, theres plenty that I have no understanding off. Im telling you how it is logically, if one was to be reincarnated it would beat the purpose of death, no? Have you died before sir?
Wasn't his name Caveman? Why is it Coveman <.<
Jecht wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 17:54 Coveman wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 04:48 Tunaman wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 01:42 Coveman how do you know the purpose of death and life? I wish that I knew everything about death and the reason for it, so I could act like I know everything. Please do tell me the purpose of death, one would assume that theres only one purpose which is to no longer exist. Why can't you understand that? I don't act like I know everything, theres plenty that I have no understanding off. Im telling you how it is logically, if one was to be reincarnated it would beat the purpose of death, no? Have you died before sir? Thankfully no I haven't. @ Tuna; Please tell me your definition of death. I would love to hear your opinion on what death means.
death [deth] –noun 1. the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism. Compare brain death. 2. an instance of this: a death in the family; letters published after his death. 3. the state of being dead: to lie still in death. 4. extinction; destruction: It will mean the death of our hopes. 5. manner of dying: a hero's death. 6. (usually initial capital letter) the agent of death personified, usually represented as a man or a skeleton carrying a scythe. Compare Grim Reaper. 7. Also called spiritual death. loss or absence of spiritual life. 8. Christian Science. the false belief that life comes to an end. 9. bloodshed or murder: Hitler was responsible for the death of millions. 10. a cause or occasion of death: You'll be the death of me yet! 11. Archaic. pestilence; plague. Compare Black Death. —Idioms12. at death's door, in serious danger of death; gravely ill: Two survivors of the crash are still at death's door. 13. be death on, Informal. a. to be excessively strict about: That publisher is death on sloppily typed manuscripts. b. to be snobbish about or toward. c. to be able to cope with easily and successfully: The third baseman is death on pop flies. 14. do to death, a. to kill, esp. to murder. b. to repeat too often, to the point of becoming monotonous and boring: That theme has been done to death. 15. in at the death, a. Fox Hunting. present at the kill. b. present at the climax or conclusion of a situation. 16. put to death, to kill; execute. 17. to death, to an extreme degree; thoroughly: sick to death of the heat.
Jecht wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 21:28 Definition of Death: Not living. No, the that would be the definition of Dead. Dead: Not living. Death is the state of actually losing one's life.
I was being a smartass
Quote: –noun 1. the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism. Compare brain death. Sounds about right.
Tunaman wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 11:13 Coveman wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 05:48 Tunaman wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 01:42 Coveman how do you know the purpose of death and life? I wish that I knew everything about death and the reason for it, so I could act like I know everything. Please do tell me the purpose of death, one would assume that theres only one purpose which is to no longer exist. Why can't you understand that? I don't act like I know everything, theres plenty that I have no understanding off. Im telling you how it is logically, if one was to be reincarnated it would beat the purpose of death, no? I can understand what you're trying to say, but your argument is less plausible than the "LULZ EARTH IS FLAT" argument. You have absolutely no evidence whatsoever besides your "omgwow u dont understand, how many people have you seen come back from dead?/" I don't know the meaning of death and I don't claim to, I just think its a bit ridiculous to claim you DO know the meaning of death, and are basing your arguments on such a ridiculous claim. Just admit it that you enjoy life and you don't want to lose it. Enjoy it while you can...there are no fantasy creatures and kingdoms in death.
Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 14:05 Tunaman wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 11:13 Coveman wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 05:48 Tunaman wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 01:42 Coveman how do you know the purpose of death and life? I wish that I knew everything about death and the reason for it, so I could act like I know everything. Please do tell me the purpose of death, one would assume that theres only one purpose which is to no longer exist. Why can't you understand that? I don't act like I know everything, theres plenty that I have no understanding off. Im telling you how it is logically, if one was to be reincarnated it would beat the purpose of death, no? I can understand what you're trying to say, but your argument is less plausible than the "LULZ EARTH IS FLAT" argument. You have absolutely no evidence whatsoever besides your "omgwow u dont understand, how many people have you seen come back from dead?/" I don't know the meaning of death and I don't claim to, I just think its a bit ridiculous to claim you DO know the meaning of death, and are basing your arguments on such a ridiculous claim. Just admit it that you enjoy life and you don't want to lose it. Enjoy it while you can...there are no fantasy creatures and kingdoms in death. Well said.
Coveman wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 15:41 @ Tuna; Please tell me your definition of death. I would love to hear your opinion on what death means. The death we have been talking about in this topic is when someone's body ceases to function anymore in this world. As for whether someone's conscience can still exist and maybe go somewhere else after the death of our bodies, I have no idea. How would anyone know? For all we know there could be another world people are born into when they die, and our life in this world was just a preparation for our life in the next. Don't get me wrong, that's not what I believe. But you seem to be confusing the meaning of death to its definition. For all we know, there could be a greater reason for death than we know about while we are living in this world. Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 09:05 Just admit it that you enjoy life and you don't want to lose it. Enjoy it while you can...there are no fantasy creatures and kingdoms in death. Why did you quote my post?
Tunaman wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 14:46 Coveman wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 15:41 @ Tuna; Please tell me your definition of death. I would love to hear your opinion on what death means. The death we have been talking about in this topic is when someone's body ceases to function anymore in this world. As for whether someone's conscience can still exist and maybe go somewhere else after the death of our bodies, I have no idea. How would anyone know? For all we know there could be another world people are born into when they die, and our life in this world was just a preparation for our life in the next. Don't get me wrong, that's not what I believe. But you seem to be confusing the meaning of death to its definition. For all we know, there could be a greater reason for death than we know about while we are living in this world. Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 09:05 Just admit it that you enjoy life and you don't want to lose it. Enjoy it while you can...there are no fantasy creatures and kingdoms in death. Why did you quote my post? What im trying to say is; Death is death. Whether its sprint or body. So I can't prove or disprove things, its still the logical explanation. If you want to cause death to someone or something, generally you don't want them to come back as another life form. If you or anyone else doesn't want to believe my views on death then thats your choice. I respect that opinion although I heavily disagree with any other explanation of death.
Coveman wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 08:40 Well said. Hey, thanks... Tunaman wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 08:46 Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 09:05 Just admit it that you enjoy life and you don't want to lose it. Enjoy it while you can...there are no fantasy creatures and kingdoms in death. Why did you quote my post? Ignoring what I said, are we? Coveman wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 08:55 What im trying to say is; Death is death. Whether its sprint or body. Spot on. The root of the problem lies at religion and it's false concepts made up by our uneducated ancestors. What I find ridiculous is the concept of the soul. And I would like to hear a logical explanation for it from it's proponents.
there cannot be life after death, for death is the ending of life. we can exsist after death because we rot in the ground. if hell is a place of fire, torture, slavery, and pian, then are not not living in it? if heaven is a place of love, riches, pleasure, and beauty, then are we not living in it? when we die we rot, our remains feed plants, animals eat plants, then use this nutrition to make babys, in this way we are reincarnated in a sense. this is the conclusion that a few of my friends and i have come to...
Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 09:57 Tunaman wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 08:46 Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 09:05 Just admit it that you enjoy life and you don't want to lose it. Enjoy it while you can...there are no fantasy creatures and kingdoms in death. Why did you quote my post? Ignoring what I said, are we? . What are you talking about? What you said had nothing to do with what my post was about, which is why I asked why you quoted my post. I don't know where you get this concept that I'm ungrateful for my life from, and I especially do not understand why you think I care about fantasy creatures or kingdoms.
Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 08:57 Spot on. The root of the problem lies at religion and it's false concepts made up by our uneducated ancestors. What I find ridiculous is the concept of the soul. And I would like to hear a logical explanation for it from it's proponents. There is no evidence to say Christianity can't exist. Evolution? Microevolution has absolutely no counterpoint in the Bible. The Time - God created the earth in 7 Days? Who's to say what a day is to God? You see, the difference I've observed between Christianity and Atheism is that we admit when we don't know why something is the way it is, Instead of pretending like we do. Everything is secondhand, so it leaves some room for obscurity. You have absolutely no idea what happens when you die, and yet you people preach as though you do. The beginning to wisdom is knowing when to say: "I don't know." Christians believe in heaven, but what is heaven like? I sure don't. The only answer is that you know when you get there, as well as it's opposite. I've heard stories from preachers, but they really don't know either. They haven't died yet. As far as a soul goes, there could be several explanations: I was created as a result of my parents - My mother and father. My brother was created as a result of my parents - My mother and father. It's true that I only share 50% of the same genetic structure that makes up my genome with my brother, but I have a very different thought process, morality build-up, likes/dislikes, and several other non-physical features from him. These are also different from my mother and father, the ones that created me, and they both together contain 100% of the genetic structure I have. While these things hardly make up a soul in its completed form, I'm merely coming up with possibilities for discussion as truly: I have no idea what a soul is. I know that I believe I have one though.
Jecht wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 13:21 There is no evidence to say Christianity can't exist. Can you prove any of the events that took place in the Bible other than quoting the Bible itself? I see falsehood when I smell it. Were the writings in the Bible true? Yes, they are because they are inspired by God. It is no secret that Europe was the birth of modern civilization. But at that time, the stories from the Bible were pushed into the minds of those living in Europe by the Church. And people actually believed that due to the false hopefulness presented in the story. People were mind-controlled and those who opposed were denounced as heretics and cut off. There was only one Bible per town/church and people would flock to chruches to hear the "word of God." Then Guttenberg comes out with his printing machine and ahoa! Now everyone gets a Bible. People began reading and their faith in it (even if the story is false, it gave them hope) strengthed. The Bible is a famous book today not because God was preserving it through the ages (as believers entrenched in their faith claim) but because this story was present in the right time in the right place. The invention of the printing press in Germany and the presence of the Bible in Europe magnified the scope of the Bible and thus, the faith spread with the paper. And this was a massive spread of information over such a short time. Christopher Columbus took the Bible with him to the New World and the European colonists took it with them to North America. We all know what happened afterwards. No wonder the West is known as the cradle of Christian civilization. It is kind of like evolution...the human evolution of thought and knowledge over the centuries is what should be discussed here...not petty religious views. In the same regard, the Koran spread likewise in the Arab areas. It's not hard to believe in evolution. The co-called "early man" worshipped anything that inspired and frightned him. Rain, sun, clouds, volcanoes...nature. As human thought and inventions and collobration raised, these religious views also evolved to where here it is today. So you see? I don't think the above things are lies but based on pure logic. No magic and supernatural beings involved. And I hate to break it to you but they just might be the truth that religious types vehemantly deny. Jecht wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 13:21 You see, the difference I've observed between Christianity and Atheism is that we admit when we don't know why something is the way it is, Instead of pretending like we do. That was probably the biggest lie ever. Christians admiting they don't know? You maybe an exception but most of them talk the talk and preach the falsehood. And Atheists are always accused of the ones "pretending to know everything" while all it takes is a brain and the commonsense to think outside of the religious box. We are using complete logic and yet you throw us down. We use accurate records of millions of books of historical records that were written by so many historians and writers that interminingle and prove each other's accounts true. We only don't use the 1 book that says "Fuck you" to rationality.
Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 14:15 Can you prove any of the events that took place in the Bible other than quoting the Bible itself? I see falsehood when I smell it. Can you disprove the Bible? All I see are reasons for its popularity, not a counterexample. Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 14:15 That was probably the biggest lie ever. Christians admiting they don't know? You maybe an exception but most of them talk the talk and preach the falsehood. Not at all, when there isn't an explanation for why something is the way it is, what is the common response? God did it. In other words: I believe God did it, but I don't know why. Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 14:15 We only don't use the 1 book that says "Fuck you" to rationality. Approximately 65. I'd like to know if you've ever read the bible. There are some very inciteful lessons, even if you don't believe in God. In the New Testament that is . If people followed the examples in that book, there would be quite a bit less heartache in the world. Alas, we humans aren't perfect. I have one more question. If someone in your family dies, would you visit their grave every now and then and possibly place a flower near it? My mother is an atheist but she still does that for some reason. You'd think rationally it wouldn't make sense to.
Jecht wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 14:40 Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 14:15 Can you prove any of the events that took place in the Bible other than quoting the Bible itself? I see falsehood when I smell it. Can you disprove the Bible? All I see are reasons for its popularity, not a counterexample. Have you seen the Red Sea split in two to let Israel through and Egyptians die? Have you seen the sun stand still so the Israelis can win the battle? Do you seriously think that a virgin conceived and gave birth to a child? I can go on all day. Other than the fact that you believe the writers of these fairy tales, all I gave were valid, credible and true reasons as to why the stories in the Bible evolved through time and it's false story of hope convinced people to follow it. Jecht wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 14:40 Approximately 65. I'd like to know if you've ever read the bible. There are some very inciteful lessons, even if you don't believe in God. In the New Testament that is . If people followed the examples in that book, there would be quite a bit less heartache in the world. Alas, we humans aren't perfect. Good point! 65 books that were very selectively chosen by a bunch of fanatics out of many others to form the Bible. Funny how they even debated whether to include the Song of Solomon in it due to the the massive references of sexuality in it. Ever heard of the BANNED BOOKS of the Bible aka the Apocrypha? People wrote the stories, people bunched them into books to form a tale, and people are now convinced that it was God who was behind it. And about everyone following the Bible...if everyone followed the driver's road book, then there wouldn't be any accidents. Am I right? Jecht wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 14:40 I have one more question. If someone in your family dies, would you visit their grave every now and then and possibly place a flower near it? My mother is an atheist but she still does that for some reason. You'd think rationally it wouldn't make sense to. Your question indirectly conveys the notion that you think Atheists are simply mindless robot drones. Sorry to break it to you, but I am human. Personally, the death of a loved one would simply make me crash. Instead of going to the grave and putting flowers, I would rather build a home right near it and be close to them physically. You get what I mean? And I am being sincere about this. For me, death of a loved-one is the greatest of all tragedies because they are gone forever. They are wiped out into non-existance. All I have is their sacred grave-site and their precious belongings and photographs and the precious memories of them in my mind. A robot Atheist would forget about them but I am human and I care. But I don't hold any false beliefs of them living beyond the grave. EDIT: About your question, yes I have read the Bible end-to-end.
Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 15:15 Have you seen the Red Sea split in two to let Israel through and Egyptians die? Have you seen the sun stand still so the Israelis can win the battle? No, but heres another list of things i've never seen: The Pyramids being build. The Israelis fight any battle. Yes, I do think that a virgin gave birth to a child. To answer your book about the Apocrypha: No i've never read them, but I'd probably like to. Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 15:15 Your question indirectly conveys the notion that you think Atheists are simply mindless robot drones. Sorry to break it to you, but I am human. Personally, the death of a loved one would simply make me crash. Instead of going to the grave and putting flowers, I would rather build a home right near it and be close to them physically. You get what I mean? And I am being sincere about this. For me, death of a loved-one is the greatest of all tragedies because they are gone forever. They are wiped out into non-existance. All I have is their sacred grave-site and their precious belongings and photographs and the precious memories of them in my mind. A robot Atheist would forget about them but I am human and I care. But I don't hold any false beliefs of them living beyond the grave. EDIT: About your question, yes I have read the Bible end-to-end. I didn't mean it to be spiteful at all. I was just wondering why, if someone doesn't believe in the afterlife would someone make a gesture that said person would never know about. To me it seems at though you picture Christianity as a threat. I know I'm not going to change your mind, just like you're not going to change mine. However, theres no reason to be afraid of the Christian faith as a whole. Churches just want to help people, and do a vast amount of charitable work.
Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 15:15 Jecht wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 13:21 There is no evidence to say Christianity can't exist. Can you prove any of the events that took place in the Bible other than quoting the Bible itself? I see falsehood when I smell it. I got home and just googled it, found this within 5 minutes. There are more events, I just don't have access to them right now. http://en.allexperts.com/q/Christianity-Church-History-2348/actual-proof-Jesus-e xisted.htm http://cfmin.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/is-there-any-historical-proof-that-jesus-e xisted/ Have you ever actually tried to look up if any events in the bible are proven? I agree with you that most Christians are very closeminded and think they do know everything and are "good people" just because they go to church on sundays and sing "worship" songs. But these are also the same people that have no idea about what their religion is about and do not study and research the bible nor try to understand or live out its teachings.
Tunaman wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 16:42 Have you ever actually tried to look up if any events in the bible are proven? Yeah. http://www.worldagesarchive.com/Reference_Links/False_Testament_(Harpers).htm The above article clearly tells of the confusion and the time of changes in ancient Israel under which small articles and religious texts eventually became the Bible.
bah, my previous post is littered with grammatical errors and I can't edit it now. That sucks
Tunaman wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 22:42 Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 15:15 Jecht wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 13:21 There is no evidence to say Christianity can't exist. Can you prove any of the events that took place in the Bible other than quoting the Bible itself? I see falsehood when I smell it. I got home and just googled it, found this within 5 minutes. There are more events, I just don't have access to them right now. http://en.allexperts.com/q/Christianity-Church-History-2348/actual-proof-Jesus-e xisted.htm http://cfmin.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/is-there-any-historical-proof-that-jesus-e xisted/ Have you ever actually tried to look up if any events in the bible are proven? I agree with you that most Christians are very closeminded and think they do know everything and are "good people" just because they go to church on sundays and sing "worship" songs. But these are also the same people that have no idea about what their religion is about and do not study and research the bible nor try to understand or live out its teachings. Nothing in them links actually PROVE that Jesus existed. Its all speculation. How does ones body just magically disappear into heaven? There is no undeniable proof that Jesus lived or that god is real. Therefore to me its lies. Unless something can be proven to me it didn't happen. Shit if you said what goes up must come down and you throw a ball in the air and it came straight back down i'd believe you. However, if you said what goes up must come down but refused/wasn't able to show me, am I going to believe you?
Scientists have evidence that the Red Sea was parted. An Ark was fond somewhere in Asia, I believe, that fits just about perfect with that of Noah's.