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Why the US really wants to go to war with Iran
The White House keeps on changing the reason on why the want to attack Iran. First they said Iran is trying to get nuclear weapons, even though Iran doesn't have the necessary infrastructure to support the development of a A-bomb. Now they're saying that Iran is supporting insurgents attacking it's troops in Iraq, even though last year it was generally agreed on that the US is caught in a civil war in Iraq and Iran is responsible for only about 4% of the attacks on its troops. http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2184077,00.html The really reason why it wants to invade Iran is because Israel is afraid of Iran replacing it as the superpower in the Middle East.
Re: Why the US really wants to go to war with Iran
the real reason is USA is the dumbest country in the world. end off.
Except they are a big threat. And if they keep threatening to attack Isreal we have to help Isreal out because they're our allies. And why is the USA a dumb country? Alot of British people always talk bad about us, why? We like yall and we think you guys are a great ally. Why not like us too?
BartGg wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 22:43 the real reason is USA is the dumbest country in the world. end off. European ignorance is so funny.
Quote: Except they are a big threat. And if they keep threatening to attack Isreal we have to help Isreal out because they're our allies. No, they're aren't, except when the first missle is fired. Even if they manage to beat Iran they could still cut off supplies lines to American troops in Iraq, and they would convince their allies and Shia miltias in Iraq to conduct major reprisal attacks on said troops stationed there. Thus, if the US wants to attack Iran, they essentially stand to lose bigtime in Iraq.
cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 22:01 BartGg wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 22:43 the real reason is USA is the dumbest country in the world. end off. European ignorance is so funny. Agreed.
The British went into Iraq back in the day :/ .
cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 23:01 BartGg wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 22:43 the real reason is USA is the dumbest country in the world. end off. European ignorance is so funny.
I actually believe that it'll be the Saudis who will be the ones involved in any war with Iran. Saudi Arabia for decades has essentially been the "pinnacle" of Islamic governance, and clout in the region. Most major deals that are brokered in the region are done through, or with the involvement of the Saudis. More importantly, current attitudes towards shunning Western ideas, and themes are fueled mainly by Saudi money, and schooling. Iran is changing that. Iran is busy challenging Saudi Arabia's leadership in the region. Plus, remember that Saudi Arabia is a Wahhabist/Sunni regime, and that Iran is lead by Shi'ites; and neither denominations like each other much. The Saudis would love nothing more than to destroy Iran, because Iran is threatening the status quo. Edit: And to you Europeans who go about insulting Americans, perhaps Google the words, "Marshall Plan" . Maybe you should be attending history class, instead of posting idiocy on these forums.
Quote: Iran is changing that. Iran is busy challenging Saudi Arabia's leadership in the region. Plus, remember that Saudi Arabia is a Wahhabist/Sunni regime, and that Iran is lead by Shi'ites; and neither denominations like each other much. Never heard of that. Quote: cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 22:01 BartGg wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 22:43 the real reason is USA is the dumbest country in the world. end off. European ignorance is so funny. Considering that even though the US spends the most money on education on Earth, more than any other nation, and the education system is worse than many European countries, it leads me to believe BartGg is right.
Well, you can thank the liberals for thinking that throwing money at the problem is going to solve all the problems. As far as being the DUMBEST country in the world, that's unreasonable. We rank about #25 in the world, so we're a bit above average, just below most of the countries that actually matter. He can claim it was an exaggeration, but it's just annoying that Europeans are just as ignorant as Americans, only Europeans seem to have this added arrogance to their ignorance.
Iran must be wiped from the globe and replaced with one huge Walmart supercenter.
Quote: DAMN EUROS!!!!!!!!111111111ononeelventyseven The above sort of quote is by far my favorite, I have seen it come up everywhere. I know it is off topic but I have seen a video on youtube made by some Australians about the world knowledge of the American public. All the comments where like above making it even more ironic. It was completely biased of course but I still found it amazingly funny. I personally think Iran are blagging this to some degree and their bark is a lot worse than their bite. Israel are extremely tough and it almost seems that they have been taking on the entire Middle East on their own and not doing too badly. I'm pretty sure Iran left it its own devices would settle down. Poking it with a war stick isn't going to help much at all and I just see it as another potential to lose a lot of troops for an ideal
amricans still think there cowboys running round with there guns n shit.. soon enuf the stupid amricans gona with there nukes then.. well i kinda gota say I TOLDYOU SO.
cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 22:01 BartGg wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 22:43 the real reason is USA is the dumbest country in the world. end off. European ignorance is so funny. Quote of the year right there! By the way, how many "Superpowers" are there that can't develop nukes? You just proved Bush's point with your own logic.
Well Bush will soon be out of office and hopefully the next person in charge will not allow this or recall it if the war was already in affect.
Personal Opinion: Time to pull back and rely on the CIA again.
Quote: European ignorance is so funny. American ignorance is just as funny.
myself ...Europeans are just as ignorant as Americans, only Europeans seem to have this added arrogance to their ignorance.
You see, thats the real problem. its just "the americans, the europeans". Its bullshit. I know a lot of americans, some are retards, some arent. its pretty much the same for europeans. I dont call you a retard just because Rocko is a retard and lives in your country. so why do you call me ignorant just because here some ignorant fucks, just as everywhere else?
Surth wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 14:53 You see, thats the real problem. its just "the americans, the europeans". Its bullshit. I know a lot of americans, some are retards, some arent. its pretty much the same for europeans. I dont call you a retard just because Rocko is a retard and lives in your country. so why do you call me ignorant just because here some ignorant fucks, just as everywhere else? Right On I would hate to be judged on Viking/CNCNick/Sir Kane's example.
cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 22:01 BartGg wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 22:43 the real reason is USA is the dumbest country in the world. end off. European ignorance is so funny. Funny how europeans and other countries make fun of the people of america for bombing iraq and such, even though it was the government that did it. Not the people.
seeing as george w. bush got re-elected, the people dont seem to think *that* bad of their government, do they?
Surth wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 14:53 seeing as george w. bush got re-elected, the people dont seem to think *that* bad of their government, do they? Did John Kerry look like he would've done a better job?
Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 12:38 Well Bush will soon be out of office and hopefully the next person in charge will not allow this or recall it if the war was already in affect. Are you talking about a hypothetical war in Iran? Or are you speaking of Iraq? Because if we get out of Iraq the few thousands of soldiers that died would have died in vain. We need to stick with it, which we are doing as of right now.
who says that you wont loose some 1000 more soldiers, if you stay?
Sn1per74* wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:13 Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 12:38 Well Bush will soon be out of office and hopefully the next person in charge will not allow this or recall it if the war was already in affect. Are you talking about a hypothetical war in Iran? Or are you speaking of Iraq? Because if we get out of Iraq the few thousands of soldiers that died would have died in vain. We need to stick with it, which we are doing as of right now. Well, the thing is we also need to know if there ever will be peace in Iraq and if the strategy will work out. While it is important to finish what has been started and make the sacrifices of many mean something, we also have to bear in mind the reality of the situation. I am skeptical of the possibility of a stable Iraq.
Surth wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 21:17 who says that you wont loose some 1000 more soldiers, if you stay? We will. But that's their job and they volunteered for that exposure to the possibility of death to help others.
I'm just going to steer clear of this one...
Starbuzz wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:25 Sn1per74* wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:13 Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 12:38 Well Bush will soon be out of office and hopefully the next person in charge will not allow this or recall it if the war was already in affect. Are you talking about a hypothetical war in Iran? Or are you speaking of Iraq? Because if we get out of Iraq the few thousands of soldiers that died would have died in vain. We need to stick with it, which we are doing as of right now. Well, the thing is we also need to know if there ever will be peace in Iraq and if the strategy will work out. While it is important to finish what has been started and make the sacrifices of many mean something, we also have to bear in mind the reality of the situation. I am skeptical of the possibility of a stable Iraq. @ Sn1per74 - Was talking about the hypothetical war in Iran. Iraq has been there for 80 years and they were living by their means for that all that time without big johnny america telling them what to do. @ StarBuzz and Sn1per74 - Everyone said the same thing about Vietnam but pulling out early was the best thing we could have done.. Everyone was bitching that we were leaving before the job was done but in the end their government settled their own crap and in reality our "Police Action" just made thing a hell of a lot worse. EDIT: KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:31 Surth wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 21:17 who says that you wont loose some 1000 more soldiers, if you stay? We will. But that's their job and they volunteered for that exposure to the possibility of death to help others. Thats very true but eventually they will run out of people from Alabama/Backwoods and they will start looking at us and a draft reinstatement.
Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:40 KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:31 Surth wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 21:17 who says that you wont loose some 1000 more soldiers, if you stay? We will. But that's their job and they volunteered for that exposure to the possibility of death to help others. Thats very true but eventually they will run out of people from Alabama/Backwoods and they will start looking at us and a draft reinstatement. Excuse me? Your assumption of the military as backwoods uneducated bumpkins with no hope for a real job is 100% incorrect and insulting. Those people are the best moral spectrum of our society, and understand the concept of sacrifice to make life better. The very concept that you being drafted is an upgrade is ludicrous. Without us bumpkin lowlifes you retarded "elite" children wouldn't be leisurely typing away "sharing your wisdom". You'd be speaking russian/japanese/german and working a labor camp.
I look at a Soldier as being a better citizen than I. It doesn't matter if I have more education or not.
KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:50 Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:40 KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:31 Surth wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 21:17 who says that you wont loose some 1000 more soldiers, if you stay? We will. But that's their job and they volunteered for that exposure to the possibility of death to help others. Thats very true but eventually they will run out of people from Alabama/Backwoods and they will start looking at us and a draft reinstatement. Excuse me? Your assumption of the military as backwoods uneducated bumpkins with no hope for a real job is 100% incorrect and insulting. Those people are the best moral spectrum of our society, and understand the concept of sacrifice to make life better. The very concept that you being drafted is an upgrade is ludicrous. Without us bumpkin lowlifes you retarded "elite" children wouldn't be leisurely typing away "sharing your wisdom". You'd be speaking russian/japanese/german and working a labor camp. The average front line soldier in WW2 had a third grade reading and writing level. Everyone else was put to use as an engineer/strategist/officer. Regardless of education in the event of another WW the only test that will be conducted is an XRay. If your bones show, your in. It's not a matter of whom joins and what their background is...I'm just talking statistics.
Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:58 KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:50 Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:40 KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:31 Surth wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 21:17 who says that you wont loose some 1000 more soldiers, if you stay? We will. But that's their job and they volunteered for that exposure to the possibility of death to help others. Thats very true but eventually they will run out of people from Alabama/Backwoods and they will start looking at us and a draft reinstatement. Excuse me? Your assumption of the military as backwoods uneducated bumpkins with no hope for a real job is 100% incorrect and insulting. Those people are the best moral spectrum of our society, and understand the concept of sacrifice to make life better. The very concept that you being drafted is an upgrade is ludicrous. Without us bumpkin lowlifes you retarded "elite" children wouldn't be leisurely typing away "sharing your wisdom". You'd be speaking russian/japanese/german and working a labor camp. The average front line soldier in WW2 had a third grade reading and writing level. Everyone else was put to use as an engineer/strategist/officer. Regardless of education in the event of another WW the only test that will be conducted is an XRay. If your bones show, your in. It's not a matter of whom joins and what their background is...I'm just talking statistics. You're talking out of your ass. Remember that the entire population at that time was coming out of the depression era and the population as a whole was uneducated. The military in a peacetime volunteer role is a BETTER educated force than the populace at general, and quite frequently use the military to get education to move into the private sector. Military leadership traits at all levels are highly desired and employers prefer veterans over video game playing slackers anyday. It takes FAR more than an XRAY to get in. I recommend going through the fitering process and boot camp and see if you aren't whining by day one. These soldiers are tough, smart and valuable to society.
KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 17:07 Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:58 KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:50 Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:40 KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:31 Surth wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 21:17 who says that you wont loose some 1000 more soldiers, if you stay? We will. But that's their job and they volunteered for that exposure to the possibility of death to help others. Thats very true but eventually they will run out of people from Alabama/Backwoods and they will start looking at us and a draft reinstatement. Excuse me? Your assumption of the military as backwoods uneducated bumpkins with no hope for a real job is 100% incorrect and insulting. Those people are the best moral spectrum of our society, and understand the concept of sacrifice to make life better. The very concept that you being drafted is an upgrade is ludicrous. Without us bumpkin lowlifes you retarded "elite" children wouldn't be leisurely typing away "sharing your wisdom". You'd be speaking russian/japanese/german and working a labor camp. The average front line soldier in WW2 had a third grade reading and writing level. Everyone else was put to use as an engineer/strategist/officer. Regardless of education in the event of another WW the only test that will be conducted is an XRay. If your bones show, your in. It's not a matter of whom joins and what their background is...I'm just talking statistics. You're talking out of your ass. Remember that the entire population at that time was coming out of the depression era and the population as a whole was uneducated. The military in a peacetime volunteer role is a BETTER educated force than the populace at general, and quite frequently use the military to get education to move into the private sector. Military leadership traits at all levels are highly desired and employers prefer veterans over video game playing slackers anyday. It takes FAR more than an XRAY to get in. I recommend going through the fitering process and boot camp and see if you aren't whining by day one. These soldiers are tough, smart and valuable to society. A) Schools were not closed during the depression. B) Every person in my Highschool that signed up with the military was either about to flunk out or didn't have the grades to get into college. C) Was a social commentary on the WW2 medical exam.
Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:12 KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 17:07 Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:58 KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:50 Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:40 KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:31 Surth wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 21:17 who says that you wont loose some 1000 more soldiers, if you stay? We will. But that's their job and they volunteered for that exposure to the possibility of death to help others. Thats very true but eventually they will run out of people from Alabama/Backwoods and they will start looking at us and a draft reinstatement. Excuse me? Your assumption of the military as backwoods uneducated bumpkins with no hope for a real job is 100% incorrect and insulting. Those people are the best moral spectrum of our society, and understand the concept of sacrifice to make life better. The very concept that you being drafted is an upgrade is ludicrous. Without us bumpkin lowlifes you retarded "elite" children wouldn't be leisurely typing away "sharing your wisdom". You'd be speaking russian/japanese/german and working a labor camp. The average front line soldier in WW2 had a third grade reading and writing level. Everyone else was put to use as an engineer/strategist/officer. Regardless of education in the event of another WW the only test that will be conducted is an XRay. If your bones show, your in. It's not a matter of whom joins and what their background is...I'm just talking statistics. You're talking out of your ass. Remember that the entire population at that time was coming out of the depression era and the population as a whole was uneducated. The military in a peacetime volunteer role is a BETTER educated force than the populace at general, and quite frequently use the military to get education to move into the private sector. Military leadership traits at all levels are highly desired and employers prefer veterans over video game playing slackers anyday. It takes FAR more than an XRAY to get in. I recommend going through the fitering process and boot camp and see if you aren't whining by day one. These soldiers are tough, smart and valuable to society. A) Schools were not closed during the depression. B) Every person in my Highschool that signed up with the military was either about to flunk out or didn't have the grades to get into college. C) Was a social commentary on the WW2 medical exam. You need better info. Just because low ASVAB slackers APPLY to the military, that doesn't mean they make it through training. And if they do, they CHANGE. When they come home talk with them and see the difference in them. You'll understand. During the depression, children were kept home to help with the farms and work in factories to put bread on the table. There was no PTA, Truancy board and certainly kids weren't CHOOSING to stay home. Life was hard and people died. Education was a luxury to the rich. Do I seem like a bumpkin? Because when I joined I was EXACTLY what you describe. Now I'm an analyst for a fortune 500.
prasp wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 23:30 Considering that even though the US spends the most money on education on Earth, more than any other nation, and the education system is worse than many European countries, it leads me to believe BartGg is right. leads to... BartGg wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 11:49 amricans still think there cowboys running round with there guns n shit.. soon enuf the stupid amricans gona with there nukes then.. well i kinda gota say I TOLDYOU SO. I don't think the English have a much better education system either.
nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:27 prasp wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 23:30 Considering that even though the US spends the most money on education on Earth, more than any other nation, and the education system is worse than many European countries, it leads me to believe BartGg is right. leads to... BartGg wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 11:49 amricans still think there cowboys running round with there guns n shit.. soon enuf the stupid amricans gona with there nukes then.. well i kinda gota say I TOLDYOU SO. I don't think the English have a much better education system either. you wouldent coming from canada... rofl. The amrican cowboys gona kill every 1 with there fuckin nukes..
For God sakes, at LEAST spell "American" correctly. I'll even help you. It's A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N
LOL you faggot man.. you care about spelling way to much.. people have typos.. Whoop tee fucking doo... kinda shows your a geek. You " A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N-S " are so fucking dumb
Sn1per74* wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 22:00 Alot of British people always talk bad about us, why? We like yall and we think you guys are a great ally. Why not like us too? Remember when I said this? BartGg wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 18:04 LOL you faggot man.. you care about spelling way to much.. people have typos.. Whoop tee fucking doo... kinda shows your a geek. You " A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N-S " are so fucking dumb Point proven.
Wow SoQ... you don't even properly type the English language; you just chew it up and spit it out.
KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:19 Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:12 KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 17:07 Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:58 KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:50 Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:40 KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:31 Surth wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 21:17 who says that you wont loose some 1000 more soldiers, if you stay? We will. But that's their job and they volunteered for that exposure to the possibility of death to help others. Thats very true but eventually they will run out of people from Alabama/Backwoods and they will start looking at us and a draft reinstatement. Excuse me? Your assumption of the military as backwoods uneducated bumpkins with no hope for a real job is 100% incorrect and insulting. Those people are the best moral spectrum of our society, and understand the concept of sacrifice to make life better. The very concept that you being drafted is an upgrade is ludicrous. Without us bumpkin lowlifes you retarded "elite" children wouldn't be leisurely typing away "sharing your wisdom". You'd be speaking russian/japanese/german and working a labor camp. The average front line soldier in WW2 had a third grade reading and writing level. Everyone else was put to use as an engineer/strategist/officer. Regardless of education in the event of another WW the only test that will be conducted is an XRay. If your bones show, your in. It's not a matter of whom joins and what their background is...I'm just talking statistics. You're talking out of your ass. Remember that the entire population at that time was coming out of the depression era and the population as a whole was uneducated. The military in a peacetime volunteer role is a BETTER educated force than the populace at general, and quite frequently use the military to get education to move into the private sector. Military leadership traits at all levels are highly desired and employers prefer veterans over video game playing slackers anyday. It takes FAR more than an XRAY to get in. I recommend going through the fitering process and boot camp and see if you aren't whining by day one. These soldiers are tough, smart and valuable to society. A) Schools were not closed during the depression. B) Every person in my Highschool that signed up with the military was either about to flunk out or didn't have the grades to get into college. C) Was a social commentary on the WW2 medical exam. You need better info. Just because low ASVAB slackers APPLY to the military, that doesn't mean they make it through training. And if they do, they CHANGE. When they come home talk with them and see the difference in them. You'll understand. During the depression, children were kept home to help with the farms and work in factories to put bread on the table. There was no PTA, Truancy board and certainly kids weren't CHOOSING to stay home. Life was hard and people died. Education was a luxury to the rich. Do I seem like a bumpkin? Because when I joined I was EXACTLY what you describe. Now I'm an analyst for a fortune 500. I see. Since you are one of the exceptions to the usual then all people who join the army must be secret geniuses who wouldn't even need to join the military, just that they wanted to. and bartG wow are you a retard.
This just in: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/10/25/quds.force/index.html
Quote: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/10/25/quds.force/index.html That's a lie, Iran supported the coalition that toppled the Taliban in Afghanistan and told it's allies in the region to do so. Quote: Well Bush will soon be out of office and hopefully the next person in charge will not allow this or recall it if the war was already in affect. Not going to happen, the neo-conseratives have been pulling the strings since Ronald Reagan. Quote: Well, the thing is we also need to know if there ever will be peace in Iraq and if the strategy will work out. While it is important to finish what has been started and make the sacrifices of many mean something, we also have to bear in mind the reality of the situation. It's going to take at least a decade for the US to install a puppet government functionally enough to make it look like it can stand on it's own without US support. The neo-cons could hardly care about their troops sacrifices, all they care about is building a war base in which to bully other European countries to enrich their fatass pockets, they don't care about Iraqis at all. Quote: I look at a Soldier as being a better citizen than I. It doesn't matter if I have more education or not. Except now there are gangs in the military. Quote: The military in a peacetime volunteer role is a BETTER educated force than the populace at general, and quite frequently use the military to get education to move into the private sector. Not right now, the army's taking anyone they can get their hands on because they're streched to the breaking point in Iraq.
prasp wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 22:09 The White House keeps on changing the reason on why the want to attack Iran. First they said Iran is trying to get nuclear weapons, even though Iran doesn't have the necessary infrastructure to support the development of a A-bomb. Now they're saying that Iran is supporting insurgents attacking it's troops in Iraq, even though last year it was generally agreed on that the US is caught in a civil war in Iraq and Iran is responsible for only about 4% of the attacks on its troops. http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2184077,00.html The really reason why it wants to invade Iran is because Israel is afraid of Iran replacing it as the superpower in the Middle East. Well, that is what they are saying. The real reason is because the US is trying its best to be the world's "International Peace Keepers." Of course many people would like the US to pull out of the war like that *snaps fingers*, but that just wont happen. Do you realize how bad that would make the US look? To go in, mess around with the government, help in a war, and then just pull out without finishing things? It doesn't matter if there is any more positive gain for the US now, the point is we can't pull out until the job is done. That is like borrowing money from someone, then while earning money to pay them back, you just quit and don't give them back what you borrowed... you just can't do that.
Quote: Well, that is what they are saying. The real reason is because the US is trying its best to be the world's "International Peace Keepers." The last tried they tried that, corpses of dead American soldiers were abused in Mogadishu. Believe me, with the new-imperialist president reject (that bought his way into the White House with daddy's money) and his advisors with him, peace is the last thing that is on the government's mind.
prasp wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 21:30 Quote: Well, that is what they are saying. The real reason is because the US is trying its best to be the world's "International Peace Keepers." The last tried they tried that, corpses of dead American soldiers were abused in Mogadishu. Believe me, with the new-imperialist president reject (that bought his way into the White House with daddy's money) and his advisors with him, peace is the last thing that is on the government's mind. What's so imperialist about him? He's a good president. He made a few mistakes, but so does everyone. The economy is booming. The stock market reached an all time high. We're in a war for the right reasons. Saddam needed out. He was murdering his own people. Lemme ask you something. If you had a dictator ruling a country you lived in, and was killing your friends and family, would you want some other country to help you out? Or would you rather let him/her do whatever he/she wants and watch your friends and family die? But because George Bush entered the war, he is being criticized. For what? The war is a success if you look at the statistics. A few thousand people have died. Thats not many at all. 58169 Americans died in the Vietnam war. The Korean war 33000 roughly. Those numbers compared to a few thousand. It seems to me like i's a success. The dictator is out of power and dead. The country is trying its best to start a democracy, and we're waiting there until they do so. The fighting is slowly decreasing. Eventually, we will come out victorious. Until then, we need to support our president, our troops, and our country.
BartGg wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 18:04 LOL you faggot man.. you care about spelling way to much.. people have typos.. Whoop tee fucking doo... kinda shows your a geek. You " A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N-S " are so fucking dumb I want BartGg banned. Not only because he insulted my friends, family, and everyone around me, he is being a racist. Racists should die. Everyone please report his post to a moderator.
BlueThen wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 23:42 BartGg wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 18:04 LOL you faggot man.. you care about spelling way to much.. people have typos.. Whoop tee fucking doo... kinda shows your a geek. You " A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N-S " are so fucking dumb I want BartGg banned. Not only because he insulted my friends, family, and everyone around me, he is being a racist. Racists should die. Everyone please report his post to a moderator. Racist = Predigest Hating Racist = Predigest
Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 22:53 BlueThen wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 23:42 BartGg wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 18:04 LOL you faggot man.. you care about spelling way to much.. people have typos.. Whoop tee fucking doo... kinda shows your a geek. You " A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N-S " are so fucking dumb I want BartGg banned. Not only because he insulted my friends, family, and everyone around me, he is being a racist. Racists should die. Everyone please report his post to a moderator. Racist = Predigest Hating Racist = Predigest You know what I mean... >.>
A-a-a-nyhow... On a related note, the building site in Syria that was hit a while back by an Israeli airstrike has been totally dismantled and removed...
Rocko wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 00:24 Iran must be wiped from the globe and replaced with one huge Walmart supercenter.
white guy being racist about a white country.. u fucking making me laugh so much man you fucking geeks wona learn what racist actually means.
Judging by these forums, the Middle East isn't the most messed up place on Earth after all...
Of course it's because of the "stupid fat americans" want to "take over the middle east so they can get all the oil and keep driving SUV's". BTW, If we are in Iraq "for oil", and "stealing their oil", how come it is still costing me $60 to fill my gas tank? Where are all the tankers and pipelines of purloined oil to bring down prices?
Blazer wrote on Fri, 26 October 2007 00:41 BTW, If we are in Iraq "for oil", and "stealing their oil", how come it is still costing me $60 to fill my gas tank? Where are all the tankers and pipelines of purloined oil to bring down prices? They're in Canada, helping to gas up your car, and my trucks. As for Iraq, every time Halliburton patches up a pipeline, or tries building one, it gets blown apart.
!vote nuke iraq
Countries like Iraq and Iran are not apart of the greater plan. When the world unites into a single government they will not withhold the standards and ideals that are required, they are far too reliant on religion and it fogs their perception of reality. Seen an Iranian on Star Trek? Neh, I have not.
Bartgg made me wish I was born in Sweden. Gah..
lol k geek.. go to sweden then you aint no true british
STOP CALLING EVERYBODY GEEK, CONSIDERING YOU ARE THE BIGGEST GEEK (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TROOPM02) YOURSELF. SHUT THE FUCK UP, BARTGG.
ok i havent read the whole topic so this mightve been said b4, the reason Bush wants to attack Iran is to try to get ppl to like him again so he can win the next elections, wich is never gonna happen becaouse hes an ignorant idiot.
and because you can only get re-elected once.
BartGg wrote on Fri, 26 October 2007 03:12 lol k geek.. go to sweden then you aint no true british oh lord, rofl.
BartGg wrote on Fri, 26 October 2007 00:20 white guy being racist about a white country.. u fucking making me laugh so much man you fucking geeks wona learn what racist actually means. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist You just proved yourself even more idiotic and stupid by not understanding the meaning of racism... Racist -noun a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. In english, it means if you consider a group you are part of superior to another group of people who are different. It doesn't matter if you are white, black, asian, or fucking boy or girl. It's still racism, and I'll be fucking pissed off if you are not tolerated here. again, everyone please report his posts. All racists should be banned, and killed. Thanks.
Can we PLEASE go back to debating the Middle East?!
So considering America is superior to places like Iran is racist? I think its by fact it is more superior, not by opinion. Even though it may seem that way.
SSADMVR wrote on Fri, 26 October 2007 08:11 ok i havent read the whole topic so this mightve been said b4, the reason Bush wants to attack Iran is to try to get ppl to like him again so he can win the next elections, wich is never gonna happen becaouse hes an ignorant idiot. You know nothing my friend. He is NOT an ignorant idiot. He is the leader of a great country. He has to have some kind of intelligence to do so. And please, before you speak, learn more about American politics.
SSADMVR wrote on Fri, 26 October 2007 10:41 i meant his party, my bad The Republican party would gain NOTHING but more ground to have to cover if we went to war with Iran. There'd be no way the American public, as a whole, would agree with a war with Iran. My parents are Republicans, support the war with Iraq, but would absolutely protest war with Iran. I know they're just two Republicans, but it's a trend being seen throughout everybody, and to assume that Republicans would be praised for going to war with Iran is just absolutely absurd.
Quote: He is the leader of a great country. Patriotism is shit.
Surth wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 03:53 Quote: He is the leader of a great country. Patriotism is shit. I agree. It's all about being loyal to the country you are living in (obeying laws for example).
Surth wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 03:53 Quote: He is the leader of a great country. Patriotism is shit. At least we didn't let our country be taken over by a military dictator that wants to wipe out entire religions from the face of the Earth.
Bringing in Hitler surely is smart. Moron.
Surth wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 11:04 Bringing in Hitler surely is smart. Moron. Calling people morons is surely smart as well.
People who judge me because of things that happened about 70 years ago are Morons.
Bush is the most ignorant american president ever, and that says alot, he jus dives into a war costing the usa an incredible amount of money withoput even resolving any of the chaos in Iraq, than he just doesnt even show his fucking face when disaster hits, and last but not least he threw his country right into the middle of economical reccesion, yeah hes not ignorant at all. The only way the people will ever like him again is if he gets declared as some sort of hero taking out all the terrorists, now theyre jus gonna dive into Iran like they did Iraq and come up with some bullshit showing what a great job Bush did, exactly like they planned to do during second gulfwar but eventually managed to fail at it...
BartGg wrote on Fri, 26 October 2007 01:20 white guy being racist about a white country.. u fucking making me laugh so much man you fucking geeks wona learn what racist actually means. I think you 'wona' learn what racist means. You don't have to be of another race than the one your discriminating to be a racist. Being a racist means your discriminating someone BY race. You don't have to be a black guy to be a racist against a white guy.
I can't wait until someone actually posts an intelligent analysis of the Bush presidency. Thorough well thought out analysis, not this speculative dribble and emotionally reactive rhetoric based on something someone's teacher told them one day. So I dare someone to provide stats that can be checked and balanced analysis based on FACTS.
KIRBY-098 wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 15:57 I can't wait until someone actually posts an intelligent analysis of the Bush presidency. Thorough well thought out analysis, not this speculative dribble and emotionally reactive rhetoric based on something someone's teacher told them one day. So I dare someone to provide stats that can be checked and balanced analysis based on FACTS. That won't happen, because we're all "geeks".
Ethenal wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 15:58 KIRBY-098 wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 15:57 I can't wait until someone actually posts an intelligent analysis of the Bush presidency. Thorough well thought out analysis, not this speculative dribble and emotionally reactive rhetoric based on something someone's teacher told them one day. So I dare someone to provide stats that can be checked and balanced analysis based on FACTS. That won't happen, because we're all "geeks". That should make it easier. Tech heads are usually more intelligent than most (albeit socially inept). Apply yourself.
SSADMVR wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 13:06 Bush is the most ignorant american president ever, and that says alot, he jus dives into a war costing the usa an incredible amount of money withoput even resolving any of the chaos in Iraq I'm not saying I disagree nor am I saying do I agree, but isn't taking out Sadaam, who was killing his own people, resolving some chaos in Iraq? And don't go shoving negative opinions down everyone's throat. (This isn't directed at the person I quoted). Don't go saying the War is doing more harm than it is helping. It is actually providing jobs for US citizens. My Uncle applied for a job over in Iraq on his own free will back like 2-3 years ago... and he is still there today. He has come home now and again a few times, but the last time he came back was like last year and a half, ever since then he has been refusing to come back. He is saying he is enjoying it there, besides all the scary things like Convoy runs and stuff. I believe he drives a humm-vee, not sure on that though.
SSADMVR wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 13:06 Bush is the most ignorant american president ever, and that says alot, he jus dives into a war costing the usa an incredible amount of money withoput even resolving any of the chaos in Iraq, than he just doesnt even show his fucking face when disaster hits, and last but not least he threw his country right into the middle of economical reccesion, yeah hes not ignorant at all. The only way the people will ever like him again is if he gets declared as some sort of hero taking out all the terrorists, now theyre jus gonna dive into Iran like they did Iraq and come up with some bullshit showing what a great job Bush did, exactly like they planned to do during second gulfwar but eventually managed to fail at it... THIS is my problem with European ignorance. I don't see Americans judging all of Europe's leaders. Instead, all I see is incorrect assumptions from Europeans, insulting our leaders. Call me crazy, but slowly entering a war doesn't make sense. If we just eased our way into Iraq, it would give them a better chance to fight us. That wouldn't be smart, would it? Since when is it a president's job to be at every "important" event that happens in America? Just because liberals like government interference, doesn't mean that conservatives do, too. Economic recession? What the fuck are you talking about? We MAY be hitting a recession, but our economy is the best it's been in years. Yeah... he's done such a horrible job.
It's cause they are still holding a grudge over the Revolutionary War. lol.
SSADMVR wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 12:06 Bush is the most ignorant american president ever, and that says alot, he jus dives into a war costing the usa an incredible amount of money withoput even resolving any of the chaos in Iraq, than he just doesnt even show his fucking face when disaster hits, and last but not least he threw his country right into the middle of economical reccesion, yeah hes not ignorant at all. The only way the people will ever like him again is if he gets declared as some sort of hero taking out all the terrorists, now theyre jus gonna dive into Iran like they did Iraq and come up with some bullshit showing what a great job Bush did, exactly like they planned to do during second gulfwar but eventually managed to fail at it... Are you KIDDING ME!? The stock market was the highest it's ever been in American HISTORY a few months ago. The reason it went down a little is because it was so high, and if you sell your stocks while it's high you get a lot of money. Then, it went down a LITTLE. The stock market is still very high. Our economy is one of the best it's ever been. Those that tell you otherwise are liberals trying to talk bad about Bush. So don't talk unless you know what you're talking about my friend. razorblade001 wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 22:06 It's cause they are still holding a grudge over the Revolutionary War. lol. The people that are being ignorant are from Germany and the Netherlands....
Im not exactly ignorant, am i?
cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 22:04 SSADMVR wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 13:06 Bush is the most ignorant american president ever, and that says alot, he jus dives into a war costing the usa an incredible amount of money withoput even resolving any of the chaos in Iraq, than he just doesnt even show his fucking face when disaster hits, and last but not least he threw his country right into the middle of economical reccesion, yeah hes not ignorant at all. The only way the people will ever like him again is if he gets declared as some sort of hero taking out all the terrorists, now theyre jus gonna dive into Iran like they did Iraq and come up with some bullshit showing what a great job Bush did, exactly like they planned to do during second gulfwar but eventually managed to fail at it... THIS is my problem with European ignorance. I don't see Americans judging all of Europe's leaders. Instead, all I see is incorrect assumptions from Europeans, insulting our leaders. lol... First Your leaders go way beyond critizing, they actually tell european leaders what to do, how to do it and when to do it, u havent seen how Bush dragged half of Europe into the war against Iraq? Second, ofcourse there isnt as much criticism on European leaders as on Bush, That is because Bush is the single most powerful man on the earth, no european leader comes even close that. So ofcourse he's gonna get more criticism... Quote: Call me crazy, but slowly entering a war doesn't make sense. If we just eased our way into Iraq, it would give them a better chance to fight us. That wouldn't be smart, would it? I wasnt talking about the fact it happened so suddenly, im saying it shouldnt have happened at all... Quote: Since when is it a president's job to be at every "important" event that happens in America? Just because liberals like government interference, doesn't mean that conservatives do, too. I myself dislike to much governemental interference in daily life, but when it comes to a disaster like Katrina and the presidents is nowhere to be seen, what the fuck does that tell you? Quote: Economic recession? What the fuck are you talking about? We MAY be hitting a recession, but our economy is the best it's been in years. Yeah... he's done such a horrible job. You might not realise it, but America will hit a recession in little time, people have used the most amount of money they can possibly borrow from banks while using their houses as financing for it. Now the worth of houses is falling and people can barely afford to pay their monthly amount of money they need to pay to keep their house leading to the worth of houses even decreasing more and more dragging America and probably even Europe into recession. Bush should've done something about this instead of constantly purely focusing on the so-called war against terrorism (wich is not even the correct term for what Bush is actually doing) and pretty much investing all of America's funds in it.
SSADMVR lol... First Your leaders go way beyond critizing, they actually tell european leaders what to do, how to do it and when to do it, u havent seen how Bush dragged half of Europe into the war against Iraq? Second, ofcourse there isnt as much criticism on European leaders as on Bush, That is because Bush is the single most powerful man on the earth, no european leader comes even close that. So ofcourse he's gonna get more criticism... And my point went right over your head. Should I be surprised? Probably not. I wasn't talking about any elected leaders. I am talking about regular residents of European countries making it more of a point to discuss (and insult) American politics more than Americans care to discuss yours. SSADMVR I wasnt talking about the fact it happened so suddenly, im saying it shouldnt have happened at all... That's not what you said. Regardless, if your country was attacked, and most politicians even agreed upon another country posing a threat (you should see some quotes that top Democrats said before 2003 about Iraq and Saddam. You would think they wouldn't be so hypocritical now). SSADMVR I myself dislike to much governemental interference in daily life, but when it comes to a disaster like Katrina and the presidents is nowhere to be seen, what the fuck does that tell you? It's not the president's job to survey the area like so many people think. Bush (or any other president past and future) can't personally change anything by visiting. SSADMVR You might not realise it, but America will hit a recession in little time, people have used the most amount of money they can possibly borrow from banks while using their houses as financing for it. Now the worth of houses is falling and people can barely afford to pay their monthly amount of money they need to pay to keep their house leading to the worth of houses even decreasing more and more dragging America and probably even Europe into recession. Bush should've done something about this instead of constantly purely focusing on the so-called war against terrorism (wich is not even the correct term for what Bush is actually doing) and pretty much investing all of America's funds in it. Care to pay attention to what I actually said? I admitted that we will probably be hitting a recession, but that still doesn't change the fact that our economy is stronger than it has been in years. Honestly, it's not the government's job to oversee the economy. There needs to be much more economic freedom than there is. I couldn't give a fuck less if the federal government destroyed the Federal Reserve. Actually, I'd support that.
Quote: That is because Bush is the single most powerful man on the earth, no european leader comes even close that. I seriously doubt that Putin has less power than Bush... Quote: I couldn't give a fuck less if the federal government destroyed the Federal Reserve. Actually, I'd support that. Are you a Jacksonian? lol
GoArmy44 wrote on Sun, 28 October 2007 13:43 Are you a Jacksonian? lol Minarchist.
cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 28 October 2007 18:47 GoArmy44 wrote on Sun, 28 October 2007 13:43 Are you a Jacksonian? lol Minarchist. I was just asking that because of Jackson's Bank War.
ehhh, America has way more allies than Russia would ever have, you cant even compare what damage Putin could do to what damage Bush could do...
SSADMVR wrote on Sun, 28 October 2007 11:46 I myself dislike to much governemental interference in daily life, but when it comes to a disaster like Katrina and the presidents is nowhere to be seen, what the fuck does that tell you? DUDE! C'mon man. Read before you say stuff you don't know about. The president ASKED the governor BEFORE Katrina if he wanted help from the government. The governor turned it down! Then, when it struck, he started helping because he knew they needed help.