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I never heard this before but saw it on CNN today. Video: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/09/12/king.mystery.plane.CNN What the hell was that? In the end of the video it gets very confusing to me. It's a government plane but why the heck does the Secret Service, FAA, CIA say they don't have any clue about it? At least they should be able to find out and tell why the aircraft was flying overhead at the time? IMO, the plane was scrambled into the air to somehow get near the President; maybe it could have landed in the numerous airports nearby and the President could have got in. That's why this plane was built for: for times of emergencies. But to hear that there is no explanation for the aircraft's presence over the White House is ridiculous. It's not too hard to find out why it was there. A total of 4 airplanes like this is part of the 1st Airborne Command Control Squadron (55th Wing) at Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska. Now how hard is it to ask the guys there in Nebraska why this plane was flying over the White House? And why this plane was sent up? Instead we get a "it's a mystery" bullshit from everyone. TBH, I think the CNN guy narrating in the video is trying to fuck our heads...to make the Republicans look like shit. What you guys think? P.S. I am not a fucking conspiracy theorist....just hate it when people say "I don't know."
Ya, i dont know what the plane is doing there either, but really theres no point at looking at it, the point is: 2x plane hits 2x towers, 2x towers fall, 2,900x people die. i remember back when i was at school, we watched the news everyday before school started, then next thing I know, it was a news alert and U saw the camera man and reporter sayign a plane was coming at high speeds near the twin towers, then wam, infront of my eyes, the plane hit, it really freaked me out. And the guy that jumped like 100 stories to commit suicide, really got me even worse.
Hey, blazer didn't see it, so it can't be real.
ANYONE who believes the attacks on that day were part of a large government conspiracy are morons.
I think it should be "is a moron", not are "morons". I could be wrong, though
nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 11:21 ANYONE who believes the attacks on that day were part of a large government conspiracy are morons. I agree...if you bring in bin Laden and the 19 hijackers, it just does not connect. Well, this mystery plane issue is kinda conspiratorial too.
Actually, I think Blazer said he DID see that mystery plane. I'm sure he'll stop by this thread soon to comment.
Starbuzz wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 11:25 I agree...if you bring in bin Laden and the 19 hijackers, it just does not connect. Well, this mystery plane issue is kinda conspiratorial too. Well it is the Doomsday plane. I'd expect it to hit the air in a time of crisis. All this 9/11 bullshit pisses me off. Not because I lost family. Not because I lost friends. Not because I lost money. But because it goes against all reasoning and morality. I'm upset that internet forums exist for the purpose of 9/11 conspiracy theories. That a set of people sign on to those forums and get their jollies, and fun from the deaths of innocent people, is just sad... It confounds me that people actually believe that the United States Government would actually be able to pull this off. The country can't even produce a proper 'No-Fly' list for Chrissake. When was the last time the government did anything efficient? If the US Postal Service is any indication of how the government in the USA functions, I'd just give up now, run to Wyoming, grab a rifle and hide in a cave, and wait to be invaded by Canadians. People actually somehow think that the US Government has managed to pull of this atrocity, and keep us out of the loop? Give me a break. You'd have to keep thousands of people quiet. The US Government isn't even capable of conducting a war... so how the hell would they go about covering up 9/11? People claim that explosives were planted in the towers before-hand... I think any lay-person would NOTICE a bunch of construction dudes placing TNT into various locations of the buildings foundation. Regular people aren't that f*cking dumb! September 11th was just a culmination of some greedy asshole, and his followers to promote their own Un-Islamic agenda.
Why did it take 6 to 7 years to discover this? And if it was supposed to kill the white house... why didn't it?
nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 17:13 Starbuzz wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 11:25 I agree...if you bring in bin Laden and the 19 hijackers, it just does not connect. Well, this mystery plane issue is kinda conspiratorial too. I'm upset that internet forums exist for the purpose of 9/11 conspiracy theories. That a set of people sign on to those forums and get their jollies, and fun from the deaths of innocent people, is just sad... It confounds me that people actually believe that the United States Government would actually be able to pull this off. If you think that I am a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, then you are dearly wrong. I am nowhere close to that bunch of people. Please reread my first post carefully and see what I am asking for. This is my view on the mystery plane and I said so on the first post: Quote IMO, the plane was scrambled into the air to somehow get near the President; maybe it could have landed in the numerous airports nearby and the President could have got in. That's why this plane was built for: for times of emergencies. But to hear that there is no explanation for the aircraft's presence over the White House is ridiculous. It's not too hard to find out why it was there. All I asked for clarification was WHY the news media (CNN in this case) labeled this video as "mystery plane" and let their commentator speak in such a idiotic unclear way. Watch the video again and you will see what I am trying to get at...listen to the wordings. The video is narrated in a tone that seems to encourage the conspiracy theorists. All I wanted to know about this E-4B plane was why doesn't the SS, CIA and others say they don't know what it was doing there. That's bullshit. As an educated civilian, I have come to the conclusion (from my 1st post) that the plane was merely scrambled to help thePresident. But that's does not mean the idiot media (CNN in this case) have to screw this up with a video that seems to encourage conspiracy theorists.
Yeah I saw it, and most people in DC did at the time. I even remember hearing on the local radio station reports of people looking up and seeing the second plane and wondering what it was...yet the days that followed the media was saying the second plane was a hoax etc...lol I always figured it was the nearest plane the military had in the area and they diverted it to fly over the area to look things over. I dunno why it was and apparently is a big deal or a "mystery".
Starbuzz wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 19:57 If you think that I am a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, then you are dearly wrong. I am nowhere close to that bunch of people. Please reread my first post carefully and see what I am asking for. My bad. I only quoted it to deal with the scrambled plane.
OH FUCK HERE WE GO!!! IN 50 YEARS YOU WILL STILL SAY 9/11. We will never know the truth!!
I have to agree people just forget it, it happened, finding the truth anyways wont bring back 2900 some people back to life, so just remember them and forget any conspiracy or thoery, the point is, people died, like puddle splsher said, in 50 years people will still be saying 9/11 was planned by the goverment, it doesnt matter what the truth is, because like I said, it happened and you cant reverse it.
puddle_splasher wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 22:43 OH FUCK HERE WE GO!!! IN 50 YEARS YOU WILL STILL SAY 9/11. We will never know the truth!! OH, FUCK, HERE WE GO. PUDDLE WITH MORE OF HIS IRRELEVANT BULLSHIT. HE SEEMS TO FORGET THAT IF HE DOESN'T LIKE A DISCUSSION HE CAN IGNORE IT.
nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 21:15 Starbuzz wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 19:57 If you think that I am a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, then you are dearly wrong. I am nowhere close to that bunch of people. Please reread my first post carefully and see what I am asking for. My bad. I only quoted it to deal with the scrambled plane. Ahhh...
cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 22:10 puddle_splasher wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 22:43 OH FUCK HERE WE GO!!! IN 50 YEARS YOU WILL STILL SAY 9/11. We will never know the truth!! OH, FUCK, HERE WE GO. PUDDLE WITH MORE OF HIS IRRELEVANT BULLSHIT. HE SEEMS TO FORGET THAT IF HE DOESN'T LIKE A DISCUSSION HE CAN IGNORE IT. no
AoBfrost wrote on Fri, 14 September 2007 03:49 I have to agree people just forget it, it happened, finding the truth anyways wont bring back 2900 some people back to life, so just remember them and forget any conspiracy or thoery, the point is, people died, like puddle splsher said, in 50 years people will still be saying 9/11 was planned by the goverment, it doesnt matter what the truth is, because like I said, it happened and you cant reverse it. That's a pretty dumb and very ignorant thing to say. Learning you're history stops it from repeating again, this is why WW2 and what the Nazis did is a subject that is well taunt in all schools everywhere.
Blazer wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 22:05 I always figured it was the nearest plane the military had in the area and they diverted it to fly over the area to look things over. I dunno why it was and apparently is a big deal or a "mystery". The reason it's a big deal is likely because there is no mention of it in any report on the event. I do find it kind of funny that they didn't just say something like "oh don't worry about that plane it's friendly," especially on a day where planes are hitting buildings like it's their business. Maybe someone was just being a slacker.
It doesn't take much to see that it's an American plane, so I'm not sure why people would expect an explanation of why a military plane flew over an attack on a federal building, especially the Pentagon. The pilot of that plane was interviewed on a History Channel show about 9/11 conspiracies. He talked about that conspiracy about his plane flying over the Pentagon.
Its quite strange that people are suprised that there where military planes over the pentagon/washington after an inital attack... -Ghost-
Ghostshaw wrote on Fri, 14 September 2007 09:42 Its quite strange that people are suprised that there where military planes over the pentagon/washington after an inital attack... -Ghost- ... I'm not sure what to say other than that you reworded what I said.
I found your reply sounding a bit weirdish so i rephrased -Ghost-
I didn't say I thought that was strange. I said I thought it was strange that they let it come this far by not initially giving just a simple comment stating that the plane was there for counter-terrorist (or other) reasons, on a day where very similar looking planes were crashing into buildings. On such a terrifying day a little reassurance can go a long way, but instead of using that plane to reassure people it ended up basically being used to spread more terror
IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 11:40 Hey, blazer didn't see it, so it can't be real. Don't fucking click on this topic again.
Renx wrote on Fri, 14 September 2007 18:30 I didn't say I thought that was strange. I said I thought it was strange that they let it come this far by not initially giving just a simple comment stating that the plane was there for counter-terrorist (or other) reasons, on a day where very similar looking planes were crashing into buildings. On such a terrifying day a little reassurance can go a long way, but instead of using that plane to reassure people it ended up basically being used to spread more terror That's exactly my point! By remaining silent about it, they let a new conspiracy theory form.
DarkDemin wrote on Fri, 14 September 2007 14:26 IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 11:40 Hey, blazer didn't see it, so it can't be real. Don't fucking click on this topic again. Calm down.
DarkDemin wrote on Fri, 14 September 2007 13:26 IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 11:40 Hey, blazer didn't see it, so it can't be real. Don't fucking click on this topic again. Aww, getting you're panties in a twist are we.
I remember seeing this video showing evidence of that a plane that hit the side of the tower couldn't possibly make it collapse in such a perfectly straight line. I think that the plane hijackings where just a cover up or.. just like cover image for the terrorists. I'm not saying the terrorists didn't do it, but I think that they only hijacked the planes to give a "show" They previously infiltrated the buildings, and planted explosive charges. The planes were only to cause chaos in the city. I mean think about it... if all of a sudden the towers collapsed due to explosives... which no one outside would know why it was collapsing. People would just think of it as an extremely unfortunate accident... and we wouldn't even know who planted the bombs. Than the terrorists would of failed in their mission. The point of a terrorist is NOT to kill thousands of people. But the point of a terrorist is to get their point across. If the towers just collapsed randomly, the terrorists wouldn't even be mentioned in the reports. But since they flew the planes in, that is what got them their attention. And about this mystery plane... it is obviously a government cover up... it doesn't have to relate to 9/11 at all.. really. The fact is that we saw it, and the government denies it. It is like Area 51.
IronWarrior wrote on Sat, 15 September 2007 08:12 DarkDemin wrote on Fri, 14 September 2007 13:26 IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 11:40 Hey, blazer didn't see it, so it can't be real. Don't fucking click on this topic again. Aww, getting you're panties in a twist are we. No, I'm sick of you posting the most ignorant garbage in topics like these. razorblade001 wrote on Sat, 15 September 2007 13:17 I'm a engineering major and know everything about the mechanics of the Twin Towers Just because you sit in your mom's basement and jack off to alien porn and pop off all over your "The truth is out there" shirt doesn't make you any more intelligent than everyone that has said that there was no conspiricy and have the knowledge to back it up.
What are you talking about... I didn't say anything about a conspiracy... I just said I watched a video, which can or can't be true... And if you had any idea what the hell terrorists exist for, than you would realize that they needed something to show that "We did this, and we mean business" And FYI, My mom doesn't have a basement... so HA... prooved you wrong...
razorblade001 wrote on Sat, 15 September 2007 12:17 I remember seeing this video showing evidence of that a plane that hit the side of the tower couldn't possibly make it collapse in such a perfectly straight line. I think that the plane hijackings where just a cover up or.. just like cover image for the terrorists. I'm not saying the terrorists didn't do it, but I think that they only hijacked the planes to give a "show" They previously infiltrated the buildings, and planted explosive charges. The planes were only to cause chaos in the city. I mean think about it... if all of a sudden the towers collapsed due to explosives... which no one outside would know why it was collapsing. People would just think of it as an extremely unfortunate accident... and we wouldn't even know who planted the bombs. Than the terrorists would of failed in their mission. The point of a terrorist is NOT to kill thousands of people. But the point of a terrorist is to get their point across. If the towers just collapsed randomly, the terrorists wouldn't even be mentioned in the reports. But since they flew the planes in, that is what got them their attention. And about this mystery plane... it is obviously a government cover up... it doesn't have to relate to 9/11 at all.. really. The fact is that we saw it, and the government denies it. It is like Area 51. I have a VERY hard time believing that the United States Government would pull of such a stunt. Mostly because it is one of the most incompetent governments in the Western World.
razorblade001 wrote on Sat, 15 September 2007 13:17 I remember seeing this video showing evidence of that a plane that hit the side of the tower couldn't possibly make it collapse in such a perfectly straight line. I think that the plane hijackings where just a cover up or.. just like cover image for the terrorists. I'm not saying the terrorists didn't do it, but I think that they only hijacked the planes to give a "show" They previously infiltrated the buildings, and planted explosive charges. The planes were only to cause chaos in the city. I mean think about it... if all of a sudden the towers collapsed due to explosives... which no one outside would know why it was collapsing. People would just think of it as an extremely unfortunate accident... and we wouldn't even know who planted the bombs. Than the terrorists would of failed in their mission. The point of a terrorist is NOT to kill thousands of people. But the point of a terrorist is to get their point across. If the towers just collapsed randomly, the terrorists wouldn't even be mentioned in the reports. But since they flew the planes in, that is what got them their attention. And about this mystery plane... it is obviously a government cover up... it doesn't have to relate to 9/11 at all.. really. The fact is that we saw it, and the government denies it. It is like Area 51. Wow, you are an idiot. I would suggest you watch the History Channel on 9/11 Conspiracy Theories. One thing people always forget, conspiracy theories are called theories for a reason. They're unproven, and they rely heavily on abstract thinking with little to no logic.
DarkDemin wrote on Sat, 15 September 2007 15:14 IronWarrior wrote on Sat, 15 September 2007 08:12 DarkDemin wrote on Fri, 14 September 2007 13:26 IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 11:40 Hey, blazer didn't see it, so it can't be real. Don't fucking click on this topic again. Aww, getting you're panties in a twist are we. No, I'm sick of you posting the most ignorant garbage in topics like these. razorblade001 wrote on Sat, 15 September 2007 13:17 I'm a engineering major and know everything about the mechanics of the Twin Towers Just because you sit in your mom's basement and jack off to alien porn and pop off all over your "The truth is out there" shirt doesn't make you any more intelligent than everyone that has said that there was no conspiricy and have the knowledge to back it up. I'm sorry, but you are the ignorant one, but you know what you can do about it?, go burn in a fire. Also, you're use of "mum jokes" against razorblade001, proves how much of a stupid little kid you are, which deserves no respect at any level and makes you look like a wanker.
IronWarrior wrote on Sun, 16 September 2007 07:32 Also, you're use of "mum jokes" against razorblade001, proves how much of a stupid little kid you are, which deserves no respect at any level and makes you look like a wanker. It wasn't a "your mom" joke. It was, "you're so much of a loser that you confine yourself to your basement and jack off all day" joke.
razorblade001 wrote on Sat, 15 September 2007 11:17 I remember seeing this video showing evidence of that a plane that hit the side of the tower couldn't possibly make it collapse in such a perfectly straight line. I think that the plane hijackings where just a cover up or.. just like cover image for the terrorists. I'm not saying the terrorists didn't do it, but I think that they only hijacked the planes to give a "show" They previously infiltrated the buildings, and planted explosive charges. The planes were only to cause chaos in the city. I mean think about it... if all of a sudden the towers collapsed due to explosives... which no one outside would know why it was collapsing. People would just think of it as an extremely unfortunate accident... and we wouldn't even know who planted the bombs. Than the terrorists would of failed in their mission. The point of a terrorist is NOT to kill thousands of people. But the point of a terrorist is to get their point across. If the towers just collapsed randomly, the terrorists wouldn't even be mentioned in the reports. But since they flew the planes in, that is what got them their attention. A number of problems with that theory. 1. The building that was hit second was the first to fall. Why? Because the aircraft hit the building in an area below that of the first aircraft hitting the first building. This means the weakened structure had a much higher load to bear than the first building, and subsequently gave out first. 2. The terrorists must have amazing flight accuracy to fly into the exact floor where the explosives are located - without setting them off early or rendering them unusable. If you notice the collapse STARTS at the point of the aircrafts impact, and only after everything above falls on to the floor below it does the rest of the building collapse, floor by floor. 3. Terrorists being in to mass murder or not, had they set off those explosions so that it made it look "spectacular". A building going down "as though it was planned demolition" by use of additional demolition material does nothing to ADD to the idea of a terrorist attack. A building blowing outward from the ground up, or some other readily identifiable way, so that people KNEW there were additional explosions would benefit their cause more than hiding it to look natural.
[quote title=warranto wrote on Sun, 16 September 2007 10:00] razorblade001 wrote on Sat, 15 September 2007 11:17 I remember seeing this video showing evidence of that a plane that hit the side of the tower couldn't possibly make it collapse in such a perfectly straight line. I think that the plane hijackings where just a cover up or.. just like cover image for the terrorists. I'm not saying the terrorists didn't do it, but I think that they only hijacked the planes to give a "show" They previously infiltrated the buildings, and planted explosive charges. The planes were only to cause chaos in the city. I mean think about it... if all of a sudden the towers collapsed due to explosives... which no one outside would know why it was collapsing. People would just think of it as an extremely unfortunate accident... and we wouldn't even know who planted the bombs. Than the terrorists would of failed in their mission. The point of a terrorist is NOT to kill thousands of people. But the point of a terrorist is to get their point across. If the towers just collapsed randomly, the terrorists wouldn't even be mentioned in the reports. But since they flew the planes in, that is what got them their attention. And if they had planted explosives, they would not make the building look like it "randomly collapsed." People would notice the fucking loud noise when they detonated. A plane hitting the buildings would actually look a lot more like an "unfortunate accident" than sudden explosions in the building. After the first one hit, a lot of people didn't realize it was a terrorist attack; they thought a low-flying plane had crashed. This happened before to the Empire State Building. Keep in mind that the World Trade Center had already been bombed eight years before. A 1500 pound car bomb underneath one of the towers couldn't bring it down, so how did the terrorists smuggle more than that amount into the building without it or them being found?
PlastoJoe wrote on Sun, 16 September 2007 10:24 razorblade001 wrote on Sat, 15 September 2007 11:17 I remember seeing this video showing evidence of that a plane that hit the side of the tower couldn't possibly make it collapse in such a perfectly straight line. I think that the plane hijackings where just a cover up or.. just like cover image for the terrorists. I'm not saying the terrorists didn't do it, but I think that they only hijacked the planes to give a "show" They previously infiltrated the buildings, and planted explosive charges. The planes were only to cause chaos in the city. I mean think about it... if all of a sudden the towers collapsed due to explosives... which no one outside would know why it was collapsing. People would just think of it as an extremely unfortunate accident... and we wouldn't even know who planted the bombs. Than the terrorists would of failed in their mission. The point of a terrorist is NOT to kill thousands of people. But the point of a terrorist is to get their point across. If the towers just collapsed randomly, the terrorists wouldn't even be mentioned in the reports. But since they flew the planes in, that is what got them their attention. And if they had planted explosives, they would not make the building look like it "randomly collapsed." People would notice the fucking loud noise when they detonated. They did hear loud noises, there are many reports from fireman, police and so on which all reported that they heard a "bang bang bang", which they report, sounded just like an explosives going off in the same was a controlled demo, here is link of many about this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw A plane hitting the buildings would actually look a lot more like an "unfortunate accident" than sudden explosions in the building. After the first one hit, a lot of people didn't realize it was a terrorist attack; they thought a low-flying plane had crashed. This happened before to the Empire State Building. Keep in mind that the World Trade Center had already been bombed eight years before. A 1500 pound car bomb underneath one of the towers couldn't bring it down, so how did the terrorists smuggle more than that amount into the building without it or them being found? Weeks pior to the attack, there was 100s of workmen all over the building in closed off areas, doing building work
Sorry, but that link isn't proof. That link is simply pure speculation. Were there secondary explosions and loud bangs? Sure, I can give them that. Prove to me that they are bombs though. It's amazing how many things can "sound like" a "bang" or and explosion when under stress like that. It could have been something as simple as a cable snaping in the elevator, or a support beam snaping. Assumptions and "sounds like" are just that. Nothing to do with actual proof.
Most of you didn't even read my post all the way though... but I respect the ones that did. For those of you who didn't read it all the way though.. you would of known that I didn't say that the government covered up ANYTHING. The only thing that I said about the government was about the plane that this thread is about, and how it probably didn't have anything to do with 9/11 Other than that, I don't see what everyone is so pissed off at... All I did was explain an idea of mine that the terrorists could of used in place of what we all saw. That doesn't change what happened, and that doesn't mean that anyone would be affected by it in any other way... Tell me, what is the difference of someone being killed in a car crash and someone being killed in an explosion? The cause of death, right? But does it really matter what the cause of death is? No it doesn't. Do you know why it doesn't matter? Because the fact of the matter is that the person was killed... so what difference does it make on how they were killed? You morn over the loss of someone you know, you don't morn over how you lost them.
IronWarrior wrote on Sun, 16 September 2007 07:32 DarkDemin wrote on Sat, 15 September 2007 15:14 IronWarrior wrote on Sat, 15 September 2007 08:12 DarkDemin wrote on Fri, 14 September 2007 13:26 IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 11:40 Hey, blazer didn't see it, so it can't be real. Don't fucking click on this topic again. Aww, getting you're panties in a twist are we. No, I'm sick of you posting the most ignorant garbage in topics like these. razorblade001 wrote on Sat, 15 September 2007 13:17 I'm a engineering major and know everything about the mechanics of the Twin Towers Just because you sit in your mom's basement and jack off to alien porn and pop off all over your "The truth is out there" shirt doesn't make you any more intelligent than everyone that has said that there was no conspiricy and have the knowledge to back it up. I'm sorry, but you are the ignorant one, but you know what you can do about it?, go burn in a fire. Also, you're use of "mum jokes" against razorblade001, proves how much of a stupid little kid you are, which deserves no respect at any level and makes you look like a wanker. "Internet: Serious Business."
Sounded like bombs. Not sounds were bombs. You guys just can't get similes, can't you? The explosion forced itself through the elevator shafts and popped out the windows and caused spirts, and it also made it explode in the lobby, and smoke went down their too... :/ You guys think that everything you hear is true? The government killing thousands of their own people is pretty bull. It'd take months to plant all those bombs in the twin towers, and how could you keep hundreds of possible witnesses quiet if they find out? Falling debris could also cause more explosions. You see people on tv say "IT WAS TEH GOVERNMENT! I HEARD THE BOMBS MYSELF!!11" and you honestly believed them?
bah, i'll make it easy for you guys it's obvious that the real killer of JFK was flying this plane, and it all ties in with secret government actions spanning over half a century duh
You guys are all insane...