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should it be made legal in britain... like holland. Talk about it.
Heh i know plenty of people who have used it. Not me though i don't smoke. -Ghost-
It should be legalized everywhere. It's your body, do whatever you want with it regardless of how immoral someone else may view your actions.
All nonmedical drugs should be illegal, including smoking. Nobody cares if you damage your own body, but seeing this damage your brain, you become a harm to EVERYONE (smoking can also harm nonsmokers for standing around other smokers, sometimes you'd have to travel miles to find a place with a no smoking sign).
As Thomas Jefferson once said, "They should make education illegal, then everyone would get one." If the possesion "Hemp", (the English version of Marijuana), were to suddenly become legal, what would happen to the $50,000,000,000 generated annually through its sale? What would happen to the "Gorrila Growers", the importers, the middlemen, the security guards, the transporters, the salesmen, the small time crooks all the way up to the Feds who make a living off the fact that possessing Hemp is "Illegal".
All the discussion you could ever want on this subject.
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cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 10 July 2007 18:27 It should be legalized everywhere. It's your body, do whatever you want with it regardless of how immoral someone else may view your actions. I guess i will become immune to not breathing ever again, i'm around it enough at work, and even inside the building i can smell the weed with all doors and windows shut, the smell is that strong, I hate it, it makes me sneeze, cough, and gag, I want it all burnt and never to exist again, i am allergic to it and smoke from ciggerets, but normal smoke from firewood and burning paper doesnt bother me...ever think second hand smoking would be a issue with weed too? I cant just stop breathing..I have to breathe.
Second"lung" smoke is a problem even though I would HIGHly recommend you avoid cigarette smoke, the secondlung smoke from the most pure, unadulterated, gift from the Gods Bud tips should only enhance your life and enrichen your soul.
You do notice........weed purchased on streets or made in homes isnt always "pure" it's tainted with chemicals that affect your body and make you more high and "out of it" plus I wont breathe it in anyways, it smells like crap to me, anad weed isnt a gift from God, just because God made weed it doesnt mean it's good, God made Trex's but all they did was eat...then they died....they werent that great to dino-civilization.....though most people say DARE teaches kids when young not to do drugs, I say opposite, yes they say drugs are bad, but kids dont listen and just do it, I on the otherhand know what drugs do to the human body "good feeling" but in the long run not that awesome.......SO thats why i dont do drugs...plus the fact they stink, and i am allergic.....it smells worse than burning leaves.
your right AoBfrost, drugs can be harmful if abused, but remember, food is a drug, I know because I'm overweight, and I'm not trying to give young people advice on using Hemp because I was addicted, pyscology at least and craved it every day in my teens. I say Renegade and alcohol r the 2 most addictive drugs on the planet, so users beware!
renohol wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 01:27 I say Renegade and alcohol r the 2 most addictive drugs on the planet, so users beware! For me it's Renegade and Snickers. Renegade eats my time and Snickers pollutes my blood.
BuzzOfTheStar wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 01:43 renohol wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 01:27 I say Renegade and alcohol r the 2 most addictive drugs on the planet, so users beware! For me it's Renegade and Snickers. Renegade eats my time and Snickers pollutes my blood. Renegade, Alcohol *cough* Pepsi Lite, Maynards sports mix gums. You don't need weed.
People will smoke weed in Britain whether it is legal or not - it's incredibly easy to get hold of. Making it legal however would: 1. Most likely reduce the cost to users, who are currently getting ripped off 2. Take billions of pounds away from criminals, people who also deal in other illegal activities 3. Generate billions of pounds of tax revenue that would more than cover any costs of regulating the drug, providing support to people who want to stop using it and any costs caused by health problems. 4. Improve the quality and remove any harmfull additives that might be present in illegal weed 5. Allow for regulation - perhaps forcing users to register and only have access to a certain amount, perhaps even being "prescribed" it to ensure that smokers are acting responsibly with it and can't just walk in to a shop and buy as much as they want. 6. Aid sufferers of diseases like MS who have to endure immense pain that can be effectively reduced by smoking weed - currently people who try to help these people are getting arrested for dealing (despite distributing it for free in various forms such as chocolate or gel) 7. Alternative safer ways to take weed would become available, alternatives to smoking such as weed foodstuffs, gels etc for people who want to relax but don't want to kill their lungs. It should be (as smoking/drinking) against the law to smoke anywhere in public apart from specially licensed cafe's, meaning that people would continue to smoke in the privacy of their own home. The only downside I can see to this is that potentially a few people who would not normally take drugs might be tempted due to it being legal - I don't see that can really be that many people though considering how widespread it's current usage is.
I live in the netherlands and am quiet aware of the stereotype how we all smoke weed and go to prostitutes. But actually, legalizing these things really makes it less attractive. Believe me, I have seen 2 old friends go down on this shit. Being 15/16, starting to smoke it like hell, don't care about other friends, don't care about school, or basicly care about anything. Good thing is they have come around now they are 19/20, but they messed up their future bad. As for about 70% of the people I knew back then, they all tried it once. So did I. A fun night with your friends giving it a shot, fortunately it did not please me at all. The usage of it (for the majority) is very occasional. Since it's legal, it lost interest. There is also a group of people who searches for harder drugs like XTC. (As for the prostitutes, my city has 2 red light districts of it's own. Actually I drive through one of them each day since I live near there. But I can tell you, about 70-80% of the visitors there are foreign. Most of them Polish, German or other east-european countries.)
Why stop at weed? Let's legalize Paint huffing too!
No thank you. It's bad enough having to smell it on people who recently smoked it (and nearly passing out in the process). It's bad enough I have to hold my breath while passing people who smoke cigarettes (I'm allergic to the smoke), I don't want to have to add pot to that as well. I prefer to actually be able to breath, not pass out because of my allergic reaction to it. (And people say smoking pot doesn't hurt anyone.... they should stop thinking about themselves and realize there are other people who have to deal with it as well)
Like MexPirate said, specially licensed businesses should allow for marijuana smoking in their restaurants, just like there are alcohol licenses. As for everybody griping about the health concerns... YOU'RE NOT FORCED TO BE AROUND IT. The high-horsery STILL amazes me. Jecht, it should be legal. If you don't like drugs, here's a novel idea: DON'T DO DRUGS. Just because your morals stop you from participating doesn't mean everybody else has to stop because of you and a few others' high-horsery. If I want to damage my body, it's my right to do so.
cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 09:31 ... As for everybody griping about the health concerns... YOU'RE NOT FORCED TO BE AROUND IT. The high-horsery STILL amazes me. ... We are if they smoke it on the streets, which is Warranto's concern. (The answer is obviously to ban it in public places)
In the open air the smoke doesn't hang around and the health risks are minimal. -Ghost-
no. BBC link
And it will maybe travel into places near by and other people can smell it?
CarrierII wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 10:37 cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 09:31 ... As for everybody griping about the health concerns... YOU'RE NOT FORCED TO BE AROUND IT. The high-horsery STILL amazes me. ... We are if they smoke it on the streets, which is Warranto's concern. (The answer is obviously to ban it in public places) Unless you're in a public building, you have the ability to walk away. Plus, just as you can't get drunk in public, you shouldn't be able to get high in public.
Ghostshaw wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 08:51 In the open air the smoke doesn't hang around and the health risks are minimal. -Ghost- Unfortunately it does. I have a very sensitive nose when it comes to smell. I can tell that someone has been smoking up to an hour or two (depending on windspeed) after they have been there. A feint scent may not cause a reaction, but it still causes discomfort and coughing. It sucks when my grandmother is over, because she smokes tobacco and I can't be in the house when she does it because I can smell it from anywhere.
warranto wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 16:51 Ghostshaw wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 08:51 In the open air the smoke doesn't hang around and the health risks are minimal. -Ghost- Unfortunately it does. I have a very sensitive nose when it comes to smell. I can tell that someone has been smoking up to an hour or two (depending on windspeed) after they have been there. A feint scent may not cause a reaction, but it still causes discomfort and coughing. It sucks when my grandmother is over, because she smokes tobacco and I can't be in the house when she does it because I can smell it from anywhere. It also isn't about the smell hanging there. Walking past someone who smokes, and dosn't hesitate to blow it in your face, or walking pas someone too ignorant to even direct the smoke away from you, isn't exactly what people want.
I feel sorry for you if you need weed or other drugs to feel better.
I feel sorry for you if you've never experienced drugs, for what it's worth.
You guys practically know nothing about weed or other drugs. Just google them and you'll see some of the effects. If you think weed is good for you, then you're honestly a dumb-ass.
BlueThen wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 14:22 You guys practically know nothing about weed or other drugs. Just google them and you'll see some of the effects. If you think weed is good for you, then you're honestly a dumb-ass. If only xptek were here to laugh at your assumptions. He's researched the drugs he's done. He knows the potential of the drugs. There's a lot of propaganda from dumb anti-drug groups.
renohol wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 02:27 your right AoBfrost, drugs can be harmful if abused, but remember, food is a drug, I know because I'm overweight, and I'm not trying to give young people advice on using Hemp because I was addicted, pyscology at least and craved it every day in my teens. I say Renegade and alcohol r the 2 most addictive drugs on the planet, so users beware! I guess all those vegtables I eat are gonna kill me someday cause I abuse them and eat them daily every meal, Maybe i'll stop eating too, stop breathing too, and stop everything i need to live, even drugs used daily are harmful even if not abused, I know people where i work they smoke only once or twice a week and over the past 3 years they seem really different, they used to be fun to be around, now they seem gloomy and unaware of whats going on, it's just if you abuse to and use too much in a short time, you go out faster, if you use less but in the long run, you still go out but alot slower.
BlueThen wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 14:22 You guys practically know nothing about weed or other drugs. Just google them and you'll see some of the effects. If you think weed is good for you, then you're honestly a dumb-ass. Why do I get the feeling that it's actually YOU who doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about?
I think that people should be able to decide for themselves what they put into their bodies. I mean, people know that most drugs are bad for you and can make decisions on their own. After all, if our society truly is "free" shouldn't we be able to make free choices about things like drugs without someone deciding for us?
Not really. Hence the reason there is a "notwithstanding" clause that our Government has access to, and why Canada views rights as something that is "freedom within reason". No one in their right mind would allow someone to do something that could potentially harm themselves or someone else, just because they have the "right" to. (No, I'm not attacking Marijuana here... this applies to anything)
mrpirate wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 14:11 BlueThen wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 14:22 You guys practically know nothing about weed or other drugs. Just google them and you'll see some of the effects. If you think weed is good for you, then you're honestly a dumb-ass. Why do I get the feeling that it's actually YOU who doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about? Do some research dude, and ffs! Stop taking my statements and saying them back to me, make up your own for once!
Just to point out two different sources (if you notice, they don't conflict with each other despite both seeming to support the opposite side of the argument) http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20030701/heavy-marijuana-use-doesnt-dama ge-brain
warranto wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 14:49 No one in their right mind would allow someone to do something that could potentially harm themselves or someone else, just because they have the "right" to. (No, I'm not attacking Marijuana here... this applies to anything) I guess that means we shouldn't be able to drive because you could crash and kill someone or yourself, and you certainly shouldn't be able to cook either, because you could make yourself or someone else sick!
Which is why serving food and driving require a license to prove that you know what you are doing... or at least have sufficient coverage to rectify a situation should you actually harm someone. Driving and cooking are not rights, they are privileges.
Theres a point of how much freedom you have though, You have to know when to not do something even if it feels good to you, like weed for example, there are side effects, people always make studies which cant even be trusted but claim weed is ok, I mean look, if we legalize weed, next your gonna tell me you want meth legalized and meth is 10 times worse, it eats your teeth away and eventually kills you, and DONT even bother telling me meth is good for you, that there was some study, I know a woman where i work and she is always doing meth at her home, she has no teeth, she's always high, so obviously there are side effects.
warranto wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 15:58 Which is why serving food and driving require a license to prove that you know what you are doing... or at least have sufficient coverage to rectify a situation should you actually harm someone. Driving and cooking are not rights, they are privileges. It's a privilege to cook for yourself or a friend? You've got some weird laws in Alberta.
It is. It's not a right that is guaranteed by the government, regardless of where you are in the world. If it is not a right, then it is a privilege. Were you to poison said friend, and server jail time, that privilege would be taken away for the duration of your stay in prison, and restored to you when you got out. There is no form of act or legal provision that says they MUST let you out for a night, or allow you access to cooking material because you have a "right" to cook for a friend.
BlueThen wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 16:02 mrpirate wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 14:11 BlueThen wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 14:22 You guys practically know nothing about weed or other drugs. Just google them and you'll see some of the effects. If you think weed is good for you, then you're honestly a dumb-ass. Why do I get the feeling that it's actually YOU who doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about? Do some research dude, and ffs! Stop taking my statements and saying them back to me, make up your own for once! Do some research on what? I'd be willing to be that I've done a lot more research into drug use than you have. I'm curious as to what makes you think you're qualified to make statements like "You guys practically know nothing about weed or other drugs" when you're not even keeping up with the discourse well enough to notice that weed being unhealthy isn't really the topic being discussed here. Is there any reason why I shouldn't be allowed to smoke a joint in my room and play video games? What's so wrong with that?
I think this thread is becomming pointless like all other heavily debated threads, the non users say weed is bad, the users say weed is good for you, then post links of studies saying weed is good and non users are retards, all i can say is in my opinion, when your into something you dont see the negative effects like others around you see you.
mrpirate wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 16:19 BlueThen wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 16:02 mrpirate wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 14:11 BlueThen wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 14:22 You guys practically know nothing about weed or other drugs. Just google them and you'll see some of the effects. If you think weed is good for you, then you're honestly a dumb-ass. Why do I get the feeling that it's actually YOU who doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about? Do some research dude, and ffs! Stop taking my statements and saying them back to me, make up your own for once! Do some research on what? I'd be willing to be that I've done a lot more research into drug use than you have. I'm curious as to what makes you think you're qualified to make statements like "You guys practically know nothing about weed or other drugs" when you're not even keeping up with the discourse well enough to notice that weed being unhealthy isn't really the topic being discussed here. Is there any reason why I shouldn't be allowed to smoke a joint in my room and play video games? What's so wrong with that? Well, sitting here and watching people say that all weed does is make you better, makes me realise how dumb that is! Do you know what second hand smoking is? Some people have to travel miles just to get to a place where there is no smoking, so don't say "You can just avoid that person!", but when everyone is smoking, it's hard to avoid. I don't care what you do to your body, but selfishly, it's what people do to MY body. BTW, I don't need drugs to feel good.
So tell me guys, if weed is SOOOO good and healthy for you, what health benefits does it provide? I want actual facts and not opinion like I have been hearing this entire thread.
If you guys want your weed, I want my machinegun. Seems fair enough a trade to me.
AoBfrost wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 17:40 So tell me guys, if weed is SOOOO good and healthy for you, what health benefits does it provide? I want actual facts and not opinion like I have been hearing this entire thread. Are you stupid? Nowhere in this thread is anyone claiming that marijuana is healthy for you. Java: Just so long as you're not pointing it at me.
jimmyny wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 10:00 no. BBC link
Javaxcx wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 17:55 If you guys want your weed, I want my machinegun. Seems fair enough a trade to me. Omg your a genious! jav is the only person who made a actual point today! Fine, I'll support weed legalization if you legalize killing, murder, rape, child abuse, pyro maniac arson, dog fighting, illegal street racing, and bombing local shopping malls. Seems fair.
Yeah, because smoking weed is as bad as raping someone. It's become increasingly clear that you've got nothing to contribute to this discussion, frost. Maybe you could stop posting?
Quote: Fine, I'll support weed legalization if you legalize killing, murder, rape, child abuse, pyro maniac arson, dog fighting, illegal street racing, and bombing local shopping malls. Don't be an idiot.
I wouldn't be against people smoking weed. So long as they have to have a pernit, can only have so much per day, and can only do it in private...
Why would it matter how much they smoke per day if they're doing it in private? I think requiring a permit to use drugs might not be such a bad idea, though.
If they do it in their own home, why would you care? Once they start smoking the substance in public, that's where the problem comes into play.
Dave S. Anderson wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 18:25 If they do it in their own home, why would you care? Once they start smoking the substance in public, that's where the problem comes into play. Well, maybe the people (relatives) who live with the smoker would care?
Then the relatives can take it up with the smoker.
But then wouldnt neighbors also smell/see you smoking pot? then they would call the cops and make a big deal, I can smell pot being smoked from the parking lot of where i work, but not normal cigarette smoke, I think smoking pot in private wouldnt be that private if neighbors could smell it from their own home/yard.
What i mean is because some people say others should have permits to use drugs, and in private, but then if you still disturb the public with the smell or sight of you smoking pot in your home or yard, then what good would a permit allowing you (in private of your home) smoke pot?
Can someone change the name of this thread to "Marijuana: Round 2"?
Hey Blue, why don't you actually bring some knowledge or ideas to the debate before spouting mindless bullshit. To anyone whos argument is "I don't want to breath pot smoke" try reading my earlier post - I don't think anyone is saying it should be allowed in public places where you sensitive people might come in contact with it, private property or specially licensed premesis designed for the purpose. If it's in private property then it's up to the owner to dictate if it's allowed, a cafe would be FOR smoking weed if you don't like it don't go near the place (regulations stating adequate ventilation/air conditioning etc could also be enforced to protect any public walking past from the deadly fumes) Don't even try and say "but people will smell of smoke" tough shit, when I get on a train and some fat bastard stinks of sweat I deal with it, it's not nice but it isn't doing me any harm, neither is the SMELL of smoke on somebody. NOBODY IN THIS THREAD WHO SUPPORTS THE LEGALIZATION OF WEED HAS SAID IT IS GOOD FOR YOU, WE ARE AWARE THAT IT IS DAMAGING OUR HEALTH - WE JUST CONSIDER IT AN ACCEPTABLE RISK FOR THE PERCEIVED BENEFITS. Quote: 1. Most likely reduce the cost to users, who are currently getting ripped off 2. Take billions of pounds away from criminals, people who also deal in other illegal activities 3. Generate billions of pounds of tax revenue that would more than cover any costs of regulating the drug, providing support to people who want to stop using it and any costs caused by health problems. 4. Improve the quality and remove any harmfull additives that might be present in illegal weed 5. Allow for regulation - perhaps forcing users to register and only have access to a certain amount, perhaps even being "prescribed" it to ensure that smokers are acting responsibly with it and can't just walk in to a shop and buy as much as they want. 6. Aid sufferers of diseases like MS who have to endure immense pain that can be effectively reduced by smoking weed - currently people who try to help these people are getting arrested for dealing (despite distributing it for free in various forms such as chocolate or gel) 7. Alternative safer ways to take weed would become available, alternatives to smoking such as weed foodstuffs, gels etc for people who want to relax but don't want to kill their lungs. It should be (as smoking/drinking) against the law to smoke anywhere in public apart from specially licensed cafe's, meaning that people would continue to smoke in the privacy of their own home. The only downside I can see to this is that potentially a few people who would not normally take drugs might be tempted due to it being legal - I don't see that can really be that many people though considering how widespread it's current usage is. Somebody feel free to either come up with another valid argument against legalising weed that doesn't have a simple solution or come up with some constructive critisism of the points I have raised for it being legal.
Seriously. iDoser. It's a program that plays binaural beats that affect your brain wave and give you the affect of being drunk - Tripping on Acid, Feeling stoned, Heck, There's even a hangover cure. If weed is illegal, Do it the legal way. iDoser. I have a copy and it worked for me.
cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 09:31 Like MexPirate said, specially licensed businesses should allow for marijuana smoking in their restaurants, just like there are alcohol licenses. As for everybody griping about the health concerns... YOU'RE NOT FORCED TO BE AROUND IT. The high-horsery STILL amazes me. Jecht, it should be legal. If you don't like drugs, here's a novel idea: DON'T DO DRUGS. Just because your morals stop you from participating doesn't mean everybody else has to stop because of you and a few others' high-horsery. If I want to damage my body, it's my right to do so. By all means, I'm all for the self-damaging of morons. What I'm not for is an extra agent out on the street that clouds the senses and judgement of individuals to the point where it could harm me or my family. I'm also against exposing to children that this practice is acceptable. America's values are all ready down the shitter, i'd rather not be accociated with something that could and would make them worse. Call it high-horsery if you want, but it's wrong to do.
It'd be just as illegal to be stoned in public as it is to be drunk in public. Do you seriously think that because weed is illegal, people aren't out in public stoned? At this point in politics, I don't think legalizing pot would be a good idea. At least, not in America. Pot has been shown to make people lazier, which will get them fired from jobs or make them cease to care about getting one, putting more people on welfare. As soon as welfare's abolished, I'd be more than happy to allow for the legalization of marijuana.
BlueThen wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 14:22 You guys practically know nothing about weed or other drugs. Just google them and you'll see some of the effects. If you think weed is good for you, then you're honestly a dumb-ass. Good for you? Probably not. But bad for you? Continuing studies are showing that THC (not weed per se) doesn't do anything adverse to you physically. In fact as it stands, the only people who seem to be adversely affected by THC are those without the psychological fortitude to stop. It is experimentally shown not to be chemically addictive, but in many cases it is extremely psychologically addictive. The irony is that because the line of psycho-addiction is so blurry, most stoners have no idea they are in fact dependent on it. I would imagine that a decent percentage of users on this board have some kind of psychological addiction to THC and are completely oblivious to it. Pound for pound, THC requires virtually hundreds of times the dosage as opposed to say alcohol before a lethal dose is a reality. That said, marijuana and THC are two completely different things. Stoners and non-smokers alike make the misconception frequently enough that because studies show that THC isn't necessarily bad for you, that marijuana must also be harmless. That simply isn't the case. They think that smoking the plant is harmless when in fact it is extremely harmful. Filtration supposedly helps but I personally doubt it. The irony is that if stoners simply ate the plant, it would be as harmless as consuming just the THC by itself. I would further imagine that chemical addiction is a real possibility when you smoke the stuff; not because of the THC, but because of the hundreds of other chemicals which are oxiding and staying in your lungs while you hold your breath. As for legislation, I stand by what I said before. I'm proven to be competent and able to handle both small arms, large arms, and automatic firearms by the government. But I'm not allowed to own a machinegun for some reason. I personally think if I don't intend to hurt anyone with it then I should be able to own one because I want one. I don't NEED it by any means, but on that note stoners don't necessarily NEED weed. They're not necessaily hurting anyone when they use it, and if they are competent then they won't necessarily hurt themselves. But here's the problem. If I am allowed to own a machine gun, then all you guys need to do is complete a standard firearms safety course and complete your basic training with the army and you'll be as qualified as me. But that doesn't stop someone from abusing the now-widely accessable legal system. In fact, it just gives potential criminals a means to an ends. On the same note, while most of you here will not be a danger smoking pot, there just needs to be one of you to go for a drive while high to put your mother, father, or siblings in mortal danger. And it would've been utterly legal and mindnumbingly easy for you to get the pot in the first place. Alcohol has the exact same problem. I hardly see why, in the spirit of 'feeling good', I should support putting another abusive substance into the pool of legality. There are millions of ways to feel good on this planet that don't involve intoxication; get out of your parent's basement and go for a walk.
Alex wrote on Thu, 12 July 2007 12:36 If weed is illegal, Do it the legal way. iDoser. I have a copy and it worked for me. That is freaky.
Javaxcx wrote on Thu, 12 July 2007 15:56 BlueThen wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 14:22 You guys practically know nothing about weed or other drugs. Just google them and you'll see some of the effects. If you think weed is good for you, then you're honestly a dumb-ass. Good for you? Probably not. But bad for you? Continuing studies are showing that THC (not weed per se) doesn't do anything adverse to you physically. In fact as it stands, the only people who seem to be adversely affected by THC are those without the psychological fortitude to stop. It is experimentally shown not to be chemically addictive, but in many cases it is extremely psychologically addictive. The irony is that because the line of psycho-addiction is so blurry, most stoners have no idea they are in fact dependent on it. I would imagine that a decent percentage of users on this board have some kind of psychological addiction to THC and are completely oblivious to it. Pound for pound, THC requires virtually hundreds of times the dosage as opposed to say alcohol before a lethal dose is a reality. That said, marijuana and THC are two completely different things. Stoners and non-smokers alike make the misconception frequently enough that because studies show that THC isn't necessarily bad for you, that marijuana must also be harmless. That simply isn't the case. They think that smoking the plant is harmless when in fact it is extremely harmful. Filtration supposedly helps but I personally doubt it. The irony is that if stoners simply ate the plant, it would be as harmless as consuming just the THC by itself. I would further imagine that chemical addiction is a real possibility when you smoke the stuff; not because of the THC, but because of the hundreds of other chemicals which are oxiding and staying in your lungs while you hold your breath. As for legislation, I stand by what I said before. I'm proven to be competent and able to handle both small arms, large arms, and automatic firearms by the government. But I'm not allowed to own a machinegun for some reason. I personally think if I don't intend to hurt anyone with it then I should be able to own one because I want one. I don't NEED it by any means, but on that note stoners don't necessarily NEED weed. They're not necessaily hurting anyone when they use it, and if they are competent then they won't necessarily hurt themselves. But here's the problem. If I am allowed to own a machine gun, then all you guys need to do is complete a standard firearms safety course and complete your basic training with the army and you'll be as qualified as me. But that doesn't stop someone from abusing the now-widely accessable legal system. In fact, it just gives potential criminals a means to an ends. On the same note, while most of you here will not be a danger smoking pot, there just needs to be one of you to go for a drive while high to put your mother, father, or siblings in mortal danger. And it would've been utterly legal and mindnumbingly easy for you to get the pot in the first place. Alcohol has the exact same problem. I hardly see why, in the spirit of 'feeling good', I should support putting another abusive substance into the pool of legality. There are millions of ways to feel good on this planet that don't involve intoxication; get out of your parent's basement and go for a walk. Please can you make more posts in this forum. I understand your point about stupid people gaining access to it and it's a compelling argument - my view however is that the benefits of legalising it outway the disadvantages and punishment for using whilst driving should be just as strict as are applied to alcohol (I am aware that wasn't your point, merely adding a comment) Problem is I enjoy the action of smoking as much as the high itself I am pretty confident that I can say I am not dependant or addicted on it though, when I can afford it I smoke some probably 5 days a week - but equally I can go without it and regularly do for weeks at a time, I stopped smoking it for about 9 months straight simply because I was living with my girlfriend who didn't smoke and I virtually always smoke with friends.
warranto wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 15:58 Which is why serving food and driving require a license to prove that you know what you are doing... or at least have sufficient coverage to rectify a situation should you actually harm someone. maybe cannabis should too...
I agree with everything Java said in this thread. I'm also completely for stupid people poisoning and maiming themselves, especially to the point where they can no longer contribute to the gene pool (and no, I'm not saying that weed makes you impotent, I'm just in favor of stupid people making themselves impotent in any way they can manage it). I have a problem with people who are high driving well under or over the speed limit and/or recklessly and putting my life and others lives in danger. I have a problem with stoners who are too lazy to get a job so they steal from other people to get things to sell in order to buy more drugs.
its my weed and i will smoke it where i want to smoke it and i will drive to my dealer to get more weed once im done. and furthermore if my neighbour doesnt like it i will go through his shit and find something i can get some money for so i can get more weed! and then i will go get a knife and rob someone to get some money or jewellery to get more weed. if this is what you people think of pot smokers you are way off. now if you substitute the word weed with crack cocaine... then you got it dead on! i myself am a responsible adult (or so i would like to think tyvm) and even though i enjoy a puff or two in some occasions (like weekends or parties) it doesnt mean i should be slapped with a ticket for it. or worse taken to jail over it. in every culture and society there will be those that are prone to addiction and thus substance abuse. but basing the desicion on those few will not stop them from getting their fix. they are addicted they dont care if its legal or not... and i have never seen people go to extremes for weed. i mean its not that addictive that you have the shakes or anything. i smoked weed on a daily basis while in highschool. and when i went into college i cut it to once a week. when came graduation i quit for 3 months just to be as sober as i can for my finals and to pass any drug tests i thought i would need in order to get a job. and it wasnt that hard. all you have to do is occupy yourself and close that time gap where before you would be getting high with doing something else. for me it was taekwondoe and soccer. its all in your head. if you are stupid and cant control yourself you will be a menase to society in one form or another and making pot illegal will not affect you...
Crimson wrote on Thu, 12 July 2007 16:37 I agree with everything Java said in this thread. I'm also completely for stupid people poisoning and maiming themselves, especially to the point where they can no longer contribute to the gene pool (and no, I'm not saying that weed makes you impotent, I'm just in favor of stupid people making themselves impotent in any way they can manage it). I have a problem with people who are high driving well under or over the speed limit and/or recklessly and putting my life and others lives in danger. I have a problem with stoners who are too lazy to get a job so they steal from other people to get things to sell in order to buy more drugs. You don't get stoners stealing to fund their weed habit (unless previously behaving like that). Yeah maybe on HEROIN where they get so fucked up they are incapacitated for hours at a time and only get up to set up their next fix once they feel the HARSH CRAVINGS kick in. But weed isn't overly expensive and it doesn't impair you so much you can't work a part time job, it can even help out in a grinding job like retail (stacking shelves and the like). I mean do you steal to fund your food budget or coffee budget? Assuming you drink a lot of coffee (ie: addicted to caffeine) you aren't driven to steal to get more coffee. Weed can be applied to a similar context. So lets get rid of that retarded misconception a lot of you seem to have. edit: Also every heavy stoner I know is employed and work hard at what they do. Keep in mind a lot of stoners are only stoners while they are teenagers then cut down on what they smoke when they move on to a higher paying job. There are a lot of IT 'stoners' out there I know of who manage servers and networks.
It's banned now, keep it that way. Apart from cannabis (or is it cocaine) that is supposed to be good for your joints. It could be prescribed that way.
Alcohol was banned, too. They repealed the ban, and since alcohol is worse than cannabis, the ban on cannabis should be repealed, too.
That's not why it was repealed, though. The only reason it was repealed was because by that time alcohol had become too ingrained into society. Cannabis has not reached that stage yet, thankfully, and a ban will not be treated as an attack on our culture/history/whatever.
There should be a ban on drunkenness, thats not social.
health problems is thus far not a concern for me. I've been smokin weed a good while now and I'm fine with it. I also tend to dabble in skittles(coricidin) a lot and cocaine. I'm happy also, good song, very descriptive
Wake up! Weed will ALWAYS be "illegal", as far as profiteering "Federal Governors", and their patsies treat other humans as "property". That said, "weed", is a safer form of alcohol for teens. Not only is it "smaller" to hide in the pockets, it is also less intoxicating when consumed in several or large consumptions.
You can't compare weed and alcohol like that.
AmunRa wrote on Mon, 16 July 2007 08:50 health problems is thus far not a concern for me. I've been smokin weed a good while now and I'm fine with it. I also tend to dabble in skittles(coricidin) a lot and cocaine. I'm happy also, good song, very descriptive You're killing yourself.
didn't say I cared
Jecht wrote on Tue, 17 July 2007 09:58 AmunRa wrote on Mon, 16 July 2007 08:50 health problems is thus far not a concern for me. I've been smokin weed a good while now and I'm fine with it. I also tend to dabble in skittles(coricidin) a lot and cocaine. I'm happy also, good song, very descriptive You're killing yourself. They will never understand that will they? I say if they want to do that then let them do it. There is a consequence for everything.
no need to be so condescending, shithead
smoking weed and doing cocaine are completely seperate things. smoking weed doesnt kill you, might make you a little dumber but hey there is a price for everything. but when you do harder drugs you are literraly fucking yourself over. on this i agree with you gbull. but putting the two in one sentence isnt right since one is like having beer for example. and the other is drinking rubbing alcohol. what im trying to say is weed and coke/crack/ectasy and all that other chemical shit is not even close to eachother. and me saying weed isnt that bad by no means is me supporting the other shit.
at least with ecstasy no one has to see/smell you smoking
shit the only thing i DONT do is anything ya gotta shoot up, i fucking hate needles.
Cant u all see its all about the roots of communication. While we were still walking on 4 legs we perfected the art of communicating "BAD" or "DANGER" to each other to prevent one another from being eaten. Weed is just a plant yet through various brain washing techniques wealthy business men have giving Cannibus bad names like "Dope", or "Weed", or "Marijuana", while laughing all the way to the bank as the price increased and the competition went to jail for years and years. A great example is Baseball and steriods... For decades nobody cared that huge muscled bound giants hit a ball with a stick very very far. Then the president used the "DANGER" communication technique and all the media followed suit. Now public opinion has turned as we see the once hero as the now "BAD/DANGER" scapegoat. Who owns who?
renohol wrote on Wed, 18 July 2007 00:50 Cant u all see its all about the roots of communication. While we were still walking on 4 legs we perfected the art of communicating "BAD" or "DANGER" to each other to prevent one another from being eaten. Weed is just a plant yet through various brain washing techniques wealthy business men have giving Cannibus bad names like "Dope", or "Weed", or "Marijuana", while laughing all the way to the bank as the price increased and the competition went to jail for years and years. A great example is Baseball and steriods... For decades nobody cared that huge muscled bound giants hit a ball with a stick very very far. Then the president used the "DANGER" communication technique and all the media followed suit. Now public opinion has turned as we see the once hero as the now "BAD/DANGER" scapegoat. Who owns who? I believe (most) people are more advanced than 4-legged creatures, and should be able to make decisions for themselves. Businessmen gave cannabis those "bad" names? Are you smoking right now? I'm pretty sure most, if not all, of those nicknames are terms of endearment, and weren't created by wealthy businessmen, but by those doing the smoking. As for the whole steroid issue, the dangers weren't known about steroids, and when they have been known, then there was a public outcry, not a warning by the President. The reason why marijuana is illegal is because the government couldn't regulate it. They couldn't tax it, so it wasn't worth keeping legal.
I expect this response: "But they had problems to begin with, that's not caused by using pot!!!" Right?
Quote: The researchers said they couldn't prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis, a category of several disorders with schizophrenia being the most commonly known. I've been smoking weed almost every day for two years and I'm not psychotic... and don't say I am or I will stab you.
Lots of people smoke cigarettes every day and don't develop anything. My grandmother smokes worse than a wood stove, but has not developed any smoking-related problems. Does this mean it is actually good for you, or does it still make it bad?
I don't think anyone is saying that marijuana is actually healthy.
mrpirate wrote on Fri, 27 July 2007 09:34 Quote: The researchers said they couldn't prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis, a category of several disorders with schizophrenia being the most commonly known. I've been smoking weed almost every day for two years and I'm not psychotic... and don't say I am or I will stab you. actually on the floor right now laughing so much that I think my ass will fall off. I fully believe that weed does worsen conditions such as schizophrenia (having lived with a paranoid schizophrenic and seeing the difference when he was stoned was pretty scary). It may even bring conditions that were unnoticable to a stage where it would be recognisable and diagnosed as a mental illness. I just don't buy the headlines that weed actually causes a normal mentally healthy person to develop a mental illness, I also believe that people as a general rule who suffer mental illnesses are statistically more likely to smoke weed for a number of social/economic reasons, a fact that is hard to proove but valid in my eyes and something that would have a major impact on studies/statistics surrounding the issue. As I see it (biased of course) this should be a reason for legalising canibis as it would allow for some kind of regulation and monitoring of the mental health of pot smokers - making a basic mental examination a requirement to obtaining weed legally.
Crimson wrote on Fri, 27 July 2007 08:56 http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/07/27/marijuana.psychosis.ap/index.html These studies haven't actually proven anything other than people with mental illness use weed. For all you know these people could have been self-medicating after they contracted the illness. And a proper control group wasn't used. So these studies are less then reliable. Not to mention at least two of the people managing the studies were working for big pharmaceutical companies with interests in medicines for psychosis. And most importantly which no one seems to have picked up on. Correlation DOES NOT EQUAL causation. Therefore these studies haven't proven anything assuming everything was peachy from the start.
Romaner wrote on Tue, 17 July 2007 13:52 smoking weed and doing cocaine are completely seperate things. smoking weed doesnt kill you, might make you a little dumber but hey there is a price for everything. but when you do harder drugs you are literraly fucking yourself over. on this i agree with you gbull. but putting the two in one sentence isnt right since one is like having beer for example. and the other is drinking rubbing alcohol. what im trying to say is weed and coke/crack/ectasy and all that other chemical shit is not even close to eachother. and me saying weed isnt that bad by no means is me supporting the other shit. cocaine erodes the lining of your brain. its quite marvelous really. phew, and lets not forget how much dxm ive done in the past month. damn.